U.S. Obesity Epidemic - Financial Stakes.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Costs -- A View from the Congressional Budget Office. NEJM 357:
1885-1887
Source Information
Dr. Orszag is the director of the Congressional Budget Office (CBO),
where Dr. Ellis is a senior analyst. The CBO is a nonpartisan agency
that provides budgetary and economic analyses to Congress.
"The long-term fiscal balance of the United States will be determined
primarily by the future rate of growth of health care costs, as we
have recently noted.1 If costs per enrollee in Medicare and Medicaid
continued to grow at the same rate as they have over the past four
decades, federal spending on those two programs alone would increase
from about 5% of the gross domestic product today to about 20% by 2050
- roughly the share of the economy now accounted for by the entire
federal budget. Compounding the challenge for policymakers is the
difficulty of controlling federal spending over the long term without
addressing the underlying forces behind the increase in both private
and public health care costs..."
Link to full text of article:
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/357/19/1885
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
J666
> Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
What you need to do is to send them copies of your published studies
that show the effectiveness of your diet and by showing them how it
improves health and reduces the need for medication all of which will
lower costs. Could not hurt to send them to the NIH. I am sure you
still have contacts at Emory - can they help.
jason
I too would like to see the data and results of all your patients -
can you list any of the journal where it was published?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
A cardiology case report sans PHI of one of my patients who has been
using the 2PD-OMER Approach for more than 2 years has been published
and discussed on Sermo, the physician-only forum.
You are welcome to join Sermo if you are an actively-practicing
physician and review it.
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
J666
published results of all the patients over the years. As an MD and
PhD you certainly must have the data to support your conclusions and
certainly should be capable to write it up and submit it to the
medical journals.
So let me just ask:
How patients started the Approach.
How many patients successful follow the Approach and succeed, only to
stop in the future
How many have remained on the Approach and maintained the weight loss
and for how long.
How did their pre-Approach and post-Approach VAT compare.
How do you measure the VAT - the accurate CT/MRI method or the less
accurate method using body measurements of the patient.
Thorsten Schier
> convicted neighbor jason wrote:
>
>>Dr. Chung
>>
>>I too would like to see the data and results of all your patients -
>>can you list any of the journal where it was published?
>
>
> A cardiology case report sans PHI of one of my patients who has been
> using the 2PD-OMER Approach for more than 2 years has been published
> and discussed on Sermo, the physician-only forum.
Why are you publishing a case study about a single person who has
followed your approach for 2 years, when more than 625,550 people have
followed the approach for 5 years, as you have repeatly stated in this
group? Wouldn't it make a better case for your approach to publish the
results of the study with 625,550 participants?
>
> You are welcome to join Sermo if you are an actively-practicing
> physician and review it.
So it's not public. How can that count as publishing?
Thorsten
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor jason wrote:
> >
> >>Dr. Chung
> >>
> >>I too would like to see the data and results of all your patients -
> >>can you list any of the journal where it was published?
> >
> >
> > A cardiology case report sans PHI of one of my patients who has been
> > using the 2PD-OMER Approach for more than 2 years has been published
> > and discussed on Sermo, the physician-only forum.
>
> Why are you publishing a case study about a single person who has
> followed your approach for 2 years, when more than 625,550 people have
> followed the approach for 5 years, as you have repeatly stated in this
> group?
This particular case is directly under my care as a cardiologist and
has features that are more interesting that just curing obesity.
> Wouldn't it make a better case for your approach to publish the
> results of the study with 625,550 participants?
The results of the more that 625,550 folks who have used the 2PD-OMER
Approach for more than 5 years are already as previously described in
the public domain. All have achieved sustained weight loss:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
> > You are welcome to join Sermo if you are an actively-practicing
> > physician and review it.
>
> So it's not public. How can that count as publishing?
Think of it as an intranet publication.
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease
J666
wrote:
Perhaps he is lying otherwise or perhaps he knows no peer reviewed
responsible journal would accept it
According to recent news stories about Sermo, it is a doctor
discussion forum and there is no peer review panel that reviews what
is said - it is described like a conversation of doctors sitting and
talking.
I would be very worried about doctors who advocate treatments for
which have no scientific backing - they are called quacks.
Will see if Dr Chung will prove me wrong by getting his data published
by a regular peer reviewed journal, if not then need to wonder if he
is a quack and a liar.
If past performance is any indication, he will not respond or will
just repeat what he always says like an ECHO.
Thorsten Schier
>
>>Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>>>convicted neighbor jason wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Dr. Chung
>>>>
>>>>I too would like to see the data and results of all your patients -
>>>>can you list any of the journal where it was published?
>>>
>>>
>>>A cardiology case report sans PHI of one of my patients who has been
>>>using the 2PD-OMER Approach for more than 2 years has been published
>>>and discussed on Sermo, the physician-only forum.
>>
>>Why are you publishing a case study about a single person who has
>>followed your approach for 2 years, when more than 625,550 people have
>>followed the approach for 5 years, as you have repeatly stated in this
>>group?
>
>
> This particular case is directly under my care as a cardiologist and
> has features that are more interesting that just curing obesity.
>
>
>>Wouldn't it make a better case for your approach to publish the
>>results of the study with 625,550 participants?
>
>
> The results of the more that 625,550 folks who have used the 2PD-OMER
> Approach for more than 5 years are already as previously described in
> the public domain. All have achieved sustained weight loss:
>
> http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
>
Are you referring to your mentioning the results at the "Lifestyles for
Today's Woman Conference"?
This is not really my idea of a scientific publication.
>
>>>You are welcome to join Sermo if you are an actively-practicing
>>>physician and review it.
>>
>>So it's not public. How can that count as publishing?
>
>
> Think of it as an intranet publication.
>
The new gold-standard in scientific publishing?
Thorsten
Thorsten Schier
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:16:27 +0100, Thorsten Schier
> <use...@naturfoto-hamburg.de> wrote:
>
>
>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:
>>
>>>convicted neighbor jason wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Dr. Chung
>>>>
>>>>I too would like to see the data and results of all your patients -
>>>>can you list any of the journal where it was published?
>>>
>>>
>>>A cardiology case report sans PHI of one of my patients who has been
>>>using the 2PD-OMER Approach for more than 2 years has been published
>>>and discussed on Sermo, the physician-only forum.
>>
>>Why are you publishing a case study about a single person who has
>>followed your approach for 2 years, when more than 625,550 people have
>>followed the approach for 5 years, as you have repeatly stated in this
>>group? Wouldn't it make a better case for your approach to publish the
>>results of the study with 625,550 participants?
>>
>
>
> that chung falsely believes followed his quackery.
>
But this cannot really be the case, because the people on this
exodus-diet clearly soon displayed all kinds of mental problems (like
hearing voices, losing all sense of direction and finally even killing
each other because of some golden calf), so noone in their right mind
would advocate following a diet with such severe side effects, would they?
Thorsten
Art Deco
>On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:16:27 +0100, Thorsten Schier
><use...@naturfoto-hamburg.de> wrote:
>
>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:
>>> convicted neighbor jason wrote:
>>>
>>>>Dr. Chung
>>>>
>>>>I too would like to see the data and results of all your patients -
>>>>can you list any of the journal where it was published?
>>>
>>>
>>> A cardiology case report sans PHI of one of my patients who has been
>>> using the 2PD-OMER Approach for more than 2 years has been published
>>> and discussed on Sermo, the physician-only forum.
>>
>>Why are you publishing a case study about a single person who has
>>followed your approach for 2 years, when more than 625,550 people have
>>followed the approach for 5 years, as you have repeatly stated in this
>>group? Wouldn't it make a better case for your approach to publish the
>>results of the study with 625,550 participants?
>>
>
>those 625,550 people are the number of Hebrews in the story of exodus
>that chung falsely believes followed his quackery.
<http://groups.google.com.au/group/sci.med.cardiology/browse_thread/thre
ad/748f6fde898147e9/ff81c582d24dd91f?lnk=gst&q=%22you+promise%22&rnum=3&
hl=en>
>
>>>
>>> You are welcome to join Sermo if you are an actively-practicing
>>> physician and review it.
>>
>>So it's not public. How can that count as publishing?
>>
>>Thorsten
>>
--
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Official "Usenet psychopath and born-again LLPOF minion",
as designated by Brad Guth
COOSN-266-06-39716
J666
pages and small self-published books for medical information.
I guess ECHO does not have enough confidence in his own work to
present for review by fellow doctors.
If he really has data on that many patients then how could some like
ECHO not get it published in medical journals where doctors in the US
and the world will have access to it. Maybe because he knows in his
brain, it would never be accepted.
When you are sick you want a doctor to use established medical
treatment based on a way it has been done for years and years.
John "C"
"Art Deco" <er...@caballista.org> wrote in message
>
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ogy/browse_thread/thre
>
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HJ
J666
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
No. Simply referring to the results being publicized everywhere in the
public domain as evidenced by the press releases and the Google
archives...
http://groups.google.com.au/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/aef63cf3c360b94b?
... and the unprecedented million-dollar guarantee:
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
> This is not really my idea of a scientific publication.
There will be more good arising from this information residing in the
public domain than in any peer-reviewed medical and/or scientific
publicaltion:
> >>>You are welcome to join Sermo if you are an actively-practicing
> >>>physician and review it.
> >>
> >>So it's not public. How can that count as publishing?
> >
> >
> > Think of it as an intranet publication.
>
> The new gold-standard in scientific publishing?
The guidance of the Holy Spirit...
... remains my choice to just do it :-)
GOD's will be done and not my will:
http://groups.google.com.au/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/aef63cf3c360b94b?
J666
>
> ... and the unprecedented million-dollar guarantee:
>
> http://TruthRUS.org/Guarantee
>
> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
>
> > This is not really my idea of a scientific publication.
>
> There will be more good arising from this information residing in the
> public domain than in any peer-reviewed medical and/or scientific
> publicaltion:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/EatLess
>
> > >>>You are welcome to join Sermo if you are an actively-practicing
> > >>>physician and review it.
>
> > >>So it's not public. How can that count as publishing?
>
> > > Think of it as an intranet publication.
>
> > The new gold-standard in scientific publishing?
>
> The guidance of the Holy Spirit...
>
> ... remains my choice to just do it :-)
>
> GOD's will be done and not my will:
>
>
> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease
>
> Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
Yup, ECHO is the right name
Thorsten Schier
Ah, ok, so you insist on counting a piece of 2,500 year old fiction as
evidence for your approach.
Surely you are aware that Exodus is totally irrelevant in a discussion
of weight loss regimens in a modern setting, because the people in this
story didn't have any choice about what and how much to eat.
And this choice is the crucial point in any weight loss approach. Yes,
if people are forced to stay on a low calorie diet, because they are in
prison or their country is at war and food is scarce, they will lose
weight, and yes, the weight will stay off as long as they don't have
enough to eat. This has been proven over and over again. But the
situation of all those overweight or obese people in affluent countries
in totally different. They have nearly unlimited access to food and it
is up to themselves to inforce any weight loss regimen. Many diets (or
approaches) would work for them, if the stayed on them, but the trouble
is that people find it rather hard to follow weight loss diets (or
approaches).
So in order to prove that your approach is the magic (or divine)
solution for all weight problems, you would have to show that people
find it easier to follow your approach than other approaches (or diets)
if they have to control themselves how much they eat and don't have
there food restricted by divine intervention.
So far, I see no evidence that this is the case. Quite the contrary.
Your approach is btw. not as original as you may think. In Germany,
there has been a somewhat similar approach that was quite popular for
some time. It's colloquially called "FdH" (Friß' die Hälfte) which
roughly translates to "Eat only half as much". If you google for it you
find more than 40,000 references to it. It follows the same general idea
as your approach that people should just eat less. Of course, it is a
bit more flexible, because it is only a rule of thumb and of course does
not ask people to cut down their food intake if they are not overweight
to begin with. Today this approach is no longer in favor with physicians
or other people responsible for public health, because it just does not
work (people don't stay on this approach) and because it does not
encourage healthy eating patterns.
> ... and the unprecedented million-dollar guarantee:
>
> http://TruthRUS.org/Guarantee
Which is worthless, because even without knowing the details of the
guarantee (who do you think is prepared to pay money for the details?)
it is clear that you are only paying it to people who stay on the diet
and yet fail to lose weight, because otherwise someone would have
collected the money by now, just by claiming that they did try the diet
but had to discontinue it. And as explained above, you don't need a
study or a guarantee to show that people on a low calorie diet will lose
weight, if they stay on it. The trouble is that people don't usually
stay on weight loss diets (or approaches). And your guarantee surely
does not cover this crucial point.
Thorsten
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
The cited sci.med.cardiology post is neither fiction nor 2500 years
old.
Bottom line:
You are untruthful.
This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May you wisely choose to surrender by publicly declaring with your
mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
Ferd Farkel
>
> > Ah, ok, so you insist on counting a piece of 2,500 year old fiction as
> > evidence for your approach.
>
> The cited sci.med.cardiology post is neither fiction nor 2500 years
> old.
Its source is, and like a 2500 year old carton of cottage
cheese, it should be disposed of posthaste and ere
the morrow.
Thorsten Schier
Your post is not, but the story of Exodus to which your post refers
certainly is. In the very sentence following the one you quoted I
specifically refer to Exodus, so you can hardly pretend that it wasn't
clear to you what I meant. But then again, intellectual honesty has
never been your strong point, so I cannot say that I am surprised.
> Bottom line:
>
> You are untruthful.
>
If that were true, we would have something in common, but I'm afraid
that isn't the case.
> This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
> you:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
>
Already running short of arguments? Preferring to play the "convicts"
card instead of actually adressing any of my arguments? Are you so
easily defeated? Come on, surely you can do better than that!
> May you wisely choose to surrender by publicly declaring with your
> mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
May you wisely choose to discontinue your "approach". It's obvious that
it is not doing you any good.
Thorsten
Archie Leach
>Already running short of arguments? Preferring to play the "convicts"
>card instead of actually adressing any of my arguments? Are you so
>easily defeated? Come on, surely you can do better than that!
No, actually, Jesus the Chung probably can't do any better than that.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Actually, someone else posted the reference to the story of Exodus
thereby unwittingly providing an opportunity to publicize the
sustained weight-loss success of the 2PD-OMER Approach for more than
625,550 people worldwide.
It remains amazing to me how GOD compelled someone to add up the
Biblical census numbers to arrive at 625,550 people (men).
GOD is amazing :-)
Bottom line:
The universal (more than 625,550 people) sustained (more than 5 years)
weight-loss results for the 2PD-OMER Approach has been published in
the public domain for some time now.
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
In the very sentence following the one you quoted I
Cary Kittrell
And we may read of this remarkable calculation where, exactly?
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cary Kittrell
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What? You think, for some bizarre reason, that medicine advances
by detailed and exhaustive reporting of the details of a study, including
protocols, assumptions, and raw data, in a peer-reviewed journal?
Silly boy. We all know that all major medical advances are demonstrated
and verified by way of press releases.
And if the actual press ignores these press releases, why, so
much the better.
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
Remarkable. Triply so, since you once responded to a question
of mine as follows:
> Fascinating. So, none of these "625,550 people" were
> the Hebrews, wandering the wilderness out of Egypt?
There have been **more** than 625,550 people.
None of these **more** than 625,550 people lived in the Biblical time
period of Moses.
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
This fits well with the fact that the "remarkable calculation" was not
done by me :-)
Perhaps you should pay more attention to the attributes in the cited
post above.
Will continue to pray for you in the interim:
Cary Kittrell
And so these 625,500+ people who have successfully used
the 2PD-OMER die^H^H^H "approach" -- or so you claim, while refusing
to reveal details -- these bear no relationship whatsoever
to the wandering Hebrews, rather than the number involved
in both cases?
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
... and GOD being involved in both cases :-)
"The lot is cast into the lap but its every decision comes for the
LORD." -- King Solomon (Proverbs 16:33).
Amen.
You remain in my prayers:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/CaryKittrell
Archie Leach
>"Jesus The Chung, MD/PhD" <mess...@emorycardiology.com> unboldly writes:
>> > None of these **more** than 625,550 people lived in the Biblical time
>> > period of Moses.
>>
>> This fits well with the fact that the "remarkable calculation" was not
>> done by me :-)
>
>
>And so these 625,500+ people who have successfully used
>the 2PD-OMER die^H^H^H "approach" -- or so you claim, while refusing
>to reveal details -- these bear no relationship whatsoever
>to the wandering Hebrews, rather than the number involved
>in both cases?
It's pointless to argue w/Jesus The Chung in any case (except for
entertainment value, or seeing him compare incretins to Lizard saliva,
or even witnessing a Most Public Rebuking of Satan and his sockpuppets
who lack any free will of their own), but it's even more pointless
when Jesus The Chung goes into semantical tap-dancing mode.
er...@psets.c0m
don't forget to put satan's spunk on this lits.
--
02D2D2
Cary Kittrell
Nice dodge.
Well, actually, no, it wasn't.
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> <http://groups.google.com.au/group/sci.med.cardiol
> ogy/browse_thread/thre
> >
> ad/748f6fde898147e9/ff81c582d24dd91f?lnk=gst&q=%22
> you+promise%22&rnum=3&
>
> Shows Deco sucking dick.
>
> HJ
Sockpuppets of satan are best ignored.
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungry... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> Then you should break all of your mirrors.
Having no harmful VAT does not break mirrors.
Bottom line:
You are untruthful.
This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May you wisely choose to surrender by publicly declaring with your
mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
yama...@aol.com
"A cardiology case report sans PHI of one of my patients who has been
using the 2PD-OMER Approach for more than 2 years has been published
and discussed on Sermo, the physician-only forum.
You are welcome to join Sermo if you are an actively-practicing
physician and review it. "
Please note that Chung was kicked off of Sermo for the same sort of
nonsense he repeatedly spews on these news groups. And the "case" that
he "published" on Sermo? It was something he lifted off of a
alt.support.diabetes discussion and not his patient at all.
On Sermo, under the title of "Very Interesting Cardiology Case Report"
on 4 Nov 2007, Chung linked to posting from alt.support.diabetes:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/92aa3220bd560780
No where did the original poster mention using Chung's 2PD Approach to
lose weight. When Chung tried to bring it up on the thread both in
Usenet groups and on Sermo, he was soundly trounced as he always is.
percy
If I were Jim I'd be looking for a lawyer, though it'd be tough to get
blood from a stone.
Vicki
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> yama...@aol.com (anonymous Sermo physician) wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > "A cardiology case report sans PHI of one of my patients who has been
> > using the 2PD-OMER Approach for more than 2 years has been published
> > and discussed on Sermo, the physician-only forum.
> >
> > You are welcome to join Sermo if you are an actively-practicing
> >
> > Please note that Chung was kicked off of Sermo for the same sort of
> > nonsense he repeatedly spews on these news groups. And the "case" that
> > he "published" on Sermo? It was something he lifted off of a
> > alt.support.diabetes discussion and not his patient at all.
> >
> > On Sermo, under the title of "Very Interesting Cardiology Case Report"
> > on 4 Nov 2007, Chung linked to posting from alt.support.diabetes:
> > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/92aa3220bd560780
> >
> > No where did the original poster mention using Chung's 2PD Approach to
> > lose weight. When Chung tried to bring it up on the thread both in
> > Usenet groups and on Sermo, he was soundly trounced as he always is.
>
> If I were Jim I'd be looking for a lawyer, though it'd be tough to get
> blood from a stone.
Would suggest the Great Lawyer:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/JesusChrist
Suggested additional reading:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/484f086851b4f7d6?
Just as our dearly departed Bob (this one) Pastorio did not have
long...
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Prophecy
... you do not have long, though I have forgiven you for your false
witness as I had forgiven Bob:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/libel.asp
Sadly, Bob defended himself pro se and lost:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob
May you not follow Bob else this will be similarly erected in your
memory to warn others:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Percy
May you wisely choose instead to surrender by publicly declaring with
Tiger Lily
go seek counselling, you visions of grandiose exceed your abilities
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heart...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
news:96f39bce-4adb-42c2...@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Name-calling simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to
convict you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Similarly, you know you do not have long either:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/TigerLily
Jim Chinnis
I don't usually read messages re these conflicts among personalities. But I
just saw the one by "yamataka" that I am responding to here.
On the off chance that the Sermo discussions used my post as evidence pro or
con the "2PD Approach," I wish to make clear that I have never, ever,
weighed my meals or restricted my eating to any particular weight. The idea
is nonsense.
I have simply reported that losing weight (and almost eliminating
atenolol)--starting from a weight most would consider normal--has eliminated
all my glucose intolerance. Whether this is permanent or temporary remains
to be seen.
The weight loss has been achieved primarily by restricting carbohydrates and
increasing the intensity of my workouts out at the gym. This has been done
while increasing the vegetables in my diet. I have not gone hungry at all,
but I have eaten with care.
I am 5'9" and weigh 140 lb now. My fasting blood glucose is 76-85. My
post-prandial 1-hour is about 90-100. My 2-hr PP is about 85. If I consume a
rare high-carb meal (>70 g) my PP does not exceed 115.
I have certainly never been a patient of Dr. Chung or anyone else in these
newsgroups.
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> yama...@aol.com wrote in part:
>
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> >"A cardiology case report sans PHI of one of my patients who has been
> >using the 2PD-OMER Approach for more than 2 years has been published
> >and discussed on Sermo, the physician-only forum.
> >
> >You are welcome to join Sermo if you are an actively-practicing
> >
> >nonsense he repeatedly spews on these news groups. And the "case" that
> >he "published" on Sermo? It was something he lifted off of a
> >alt.support.diabetes discussion and not his patient at all.
> >
> >On Sermo, under the title of "Very Interesting Cardiology Case Report"
> >on 4 Nov 2007, Chung linked to posting from alt.support.diabetes:
> >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/92aa3220bd560780
> >
> >No where did the original poster mention using Chung's 2PD Approach to
> >lose weight. When Chung tried to bring it up on the thread both in
> >Usenet groups and on Sermo, he was soundly trounced as he always is.
>
> I don't usually read messages re these conflicts among personalities. But I
> just saw the one by "yamataka" that I am responding to here.
>
> On the off chance that the Sermo discussions used my post as evidence pro or
> con the "2PD Approach,"
It did not. It simply served to illustrate how weight loss is
associated with decreased dependence on medications.
The Sermo case report advocating the 2PD-OMER Approach that created
quite the stir (possibly causing Sermo to lose pharmaceutical industry
clients) is as follows:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/66ea6824b77527c8?
Here are the EKGs for this 2PD-OMER Approach case report:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/gifs/Sermo_AFIB2.JPG
http://HeartMDPhD.com/gifs/Sermo_AFIB3.JPG
http://HeartMDPhD.com/gifs/Sermo_AFIB4.JPG
> I wish to make clear that I have never, ever,
> weighed my meals or restricted my eating to any particular weight. The idea
> is nonsense.
Our dearly departed Bob (this one) Pastorio expressed similar
sentiments and his death was an inauspicious one on Fool's day:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/libel.asp
Otoh, our dear friend Chris Malcolm has weighed his meals, has
reported that he eats about 2 lbs per day, and remains with us.
> I have simply reported that losing weight (and almost eliminating
> atenolol)--starting from a weight most would consider normal--has eliminated
> all my glucose intolerance. Whether this is permanent or temporary remains
> to be seen.
>
> The weight loss has been achieved primarily by restricting carbohydrates and
> increasing the intensity of my workouts out at the gym. This has been done
> while increasing the vegetables in my diet. I have not gone hungry at all,
> but I have eaten with care.
It is likely that you will not completely lose your harmful VAT as a
consequence of your unwisely choosing not to be hungrier (healthier):
> I am 5'9" and weigh 140 lb now. My fasting blood glucose is 76-85. My
> post-prandial 1-hour is about 90-100. My 2-hr PP is about 85. If I consume a
> rare high-carb meal (>70 g) my PP does not exceed 115.
>
> I have certainly never been a patient of Dr. Chung or anyone else in these
> newsgroups.
If you were my patient, you would have been advised by me to lose all
your harmful VAT by eating less, down to the optimal amount in order
to achieve a cure. The latter is defined as no longer needing
medications (imagine that this would be every pharmaceutical companies
nightmare).
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy
MU
> go seek counselling, you visions of grandiose exceed your abilities
Would prefer that to having little to expect of oneself and delivering the
same. Sting you personally, did I?
yama...@aol.com
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> The Sermo case report advocating the 2PD-OMER Approach that created
> quite the stir (possibly causing Sermo to lose pharmaceutical industry
> clients) is as follows:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/66ea6824b77527c8?
>
> Here are the EKGs for this 2PD-OMER Approach case report:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/gifs/Sermo_AFIB2.JPGhttp://HeartMDPhD.com/gifs/Sermo_AFIB3.JPGhttp://HeartMDPhD.com/gifs/Sermo_AFIB4.JPG
>
Okay, Chung, let's get back to your original untruthful claims. Yes,
you did post these links to EKGs on Sermo in the beginning of Nov
2007. Nothing in your initial vignette presentation mentioned your
2PD-OMER Approach. The EKGs showed atrial fibrillation then
normalization to sinus rythym. Since you have obscured the dates of
the actual EKGs there is no way to know if they are sequential or even
of the same person. In the limited discussion that followed, you then
claimed that the atrial fibrillation normalized to sinus rythym
because the patient lost weight using your approach and the harmful
adipokines, blah blah blah....And everyone on Sermo soundly called you
out on your pseudo science. Maybe 2-3 people interacted with you on
your posting and maybe 40 out of over 35,000 physicians voted. And
when people chose your preset answer of, "it's a miracle" you
interpreted their choice concretely and didn't realize you were the
butt of the joke. You then went on to post in Usenet groups that Sermo
physicians believed that miracles could happen! Laus Dias! Maus Haus!
Atrial fibrillation is a transient condition. It comes and goes. No
way did you "prove" that you "cured" it through your approach.
As for causing "quite a stir" on Sermo, people quickly noted that you
were probably a schizophrenic with delusional ideas and ignored you.
You got all whiny for attention when they did and cross posted and
made your odd statements repeatedly until you got kicked off of Sermo
in less than a month from when you'd joined.
When you presented Jim's message to the newsgroup on Sermo verbatim.
(in response to people on Sermo asking you where you had published)
you called it a "case report" and implied that he was your patient and
following your approach.
By then, people on Sermo already knew that you are mentally
unbalanced. Maybe you are good for a moment or two of entertainment.
But one can't even engage you in meaningful dialog. Your concrete
thinking and inability to grasp metaphors, your delusional ideas of
self-reference, your hyper-religious grandiosity are all classic
schizophrenic traits. People quickly realize this.
I will point out your inconsistencies and keep you from harming anyone
with your whacked out advice or approach. You lie and twist the truth
and claim you are "published" or that you've had influence on Sermo or
on Sermo's clients in the pharma industry. You are lying. Or else you
are so delusional you can't tell the difference. Perhaps Dan
Palestrant would be interested on seeing what you have written.
yama...@aol.com
> yamant...@aol.com wrote in part:
Jim, yes Chung did post your note in it's entirety including your name
and city. He may not realize that when he posts a link like that,
anyone can go to the top of the link and then read the entire,
original Usenet thread. Chung and his whacko ideas were soundly
trounced on that thread, just as he is everywhere he posts. His intent
was to imply that you were his patient and following his approach, but
it was clear from reading the entire original Usenet thread what your
stance and position was. It reflected poorly (yet again) on Chung.
Jim, you are doing a great job controlling your diabetes. I wish more
of my patients would make an effort to lose as little as 7% of their
body weight by the dietary methods and exercise as you are doing. Even
that little bit could help control blood sugars. It is a struggle
sometimes just to get them to continue to be compliant with
medications. Many don't realize that they can out eat their meds. Your
post prandial values are amazing.
Jim Chinnis
>Jim, you are doing a great job controlling your diabetes. I wish more
>of my patients would make an effort to lose as little as 7% of their
>body weight by the dietary methods and exercise as you are doing. Even
>that little bit could help control blood sugars. It is a struggle
>sometimes just to get them to continue to be compliant with
>medications. Many don't realize that they can out eat their meds. Your
>post prandial values are amazing.
Clarification:
I have never been diagnosed with diabetes, and my internist has followed me
closely. My interest came about when I decided to check out the glycemic
effect of different foods on myself using a home blood glucose meter I
bought for that purpose. My interest was in losing some more weight by
further shaping my diet to keep my blood glucose from rising much. I ran a
home-brew glucose challenge test and saw that--while not diabetic--I had
become more intolerant of glucose (starch) than was healthy. Since then
(mid-April) I have lost about 25 lb. and my BG readings have completely
normalized.
At my next medical evaluation with my internist I will explore tapering or
eliminating an ARB and a low-dose statin I take. My lipids and BP were
excellent when I was 25 lb heavier. My BP may be getting too low now.
I have no real disagreement with Dr. Chung's general argument re the
importance of the loss of visceral adipose tissue and the contribution of
VAT to heart disease, diabetes, hypertension and other ills. The issues are
often more complex, however, and there are always exceptions. And the notion
of weighing one's total food intake--not to mention achieving a fixed amount
that is the same for everyone--is obviously baseless.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> yama...@aol.com (untruthful Serrmo physician) wrote in part:
>
> >Jim, you are doing a great job controlling your diabetes. I wish more
> >of my patients would make an effort to lose as little as 7% of their
> >body weight by the dietary methods and exercise as you are doing. Even
> >that little bit could help control blood sugars. It is a struggle
> >sometimes just to get them to continue to be compliant with
> >medications. Many don't realize that they can out eat their meds. Your
> >post prandial values are amazing.
>
> Clarification:
>
> I have never been diagnosed with diabetes, and my internist has followed me
> closely. My interest came about when I decided to check out the glycemic
> effect of different foods on myself using a home blood glucose meter I
> bought for that purpose. My interest was in losing some more weight by
> further shaping my diet to keep my blood glucose from rising much. I ran a
> home-brew glucose challenge test and saw that--while not diabetic--I had
> become more intolerant of glucose (starch) than was healthy. Since then
> (mid-April) I have lost about 25 lb. and my BG readings have completely
> normalized.
Bottom line:
"yama...@aol.com" is untruthful.
> At my next medical evaluation with my internist I will explore tapering or
> eliminating an ARB and a low-dose statin I take. My lipids and BP were
> excellent when I was 25 lb heavier. My BP may be getting too low now.
>
> I have no real disagreement with Dr. Chung's general argument re the
> importance of the loss of visceral adipose tissue and the contribution of
> VAT to heart disease, diabetes, hypertension and other ills. The issues are
> often more complex, however, and there are always exceptions.
Without exception, VAT is harmful.
> And the notion
> of weighing one's total food intake--not to mention achieving a fixed amount
> that is the same for everyone--is obviously baseless.
Not for the discerning...
... nor for those who appreciate the value of US$2,000,000.00:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Guarantee
When/if you choose to eat less, down to the optimal amount, is when
you will be cured of any need for medications:
Be hungry... be healthy.... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Archie Leach
>friend Jim Chinnis wrote:
>> yama...@aol.com (untruthful Serrmo physician) wrote in part:
[...]
Bottom line:
You have been Pwn3d by Sermo.
Pastor Frank
news:5qukjqF...@mid.individual.net...
>
> you are one sick fuck, Andie
> go seek counselling, you visions of grandiose exceed your abilities
>
on a restricted calorie diet live 1/3 longer than rats on a high calorie
diet? But then you think you will be the "grandiose" exception, don't you?
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
MU
> I will point out your inconsistencies and keep you from harming anyone
> with your whacked out advice or approach. You lie and twist the truth
> and claim you are "published" or that you've had influence on Sermo or
> on Sermo's clients in the pharma industry. You are lying. Or else you
> are so delusional you can't tell the difference. Perhaps Dan
> Palestrant would be interested on seeing what you have written.
Kewl, bring on this d00d.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
>
> > with your whacked out advice or approach. You lie and twist the truth
> > and claim you are "published" or that you've had influence on Sermo or
> > on Sermo's clients in the pharma industry. You are lying. Or else you
> > are so delusional you can't tell the difference. Perhaps Dan
> > Palestrant would be interested on seeing what you have written.
>
> Kewl, bring on this d00d.
Dr. Daniel Palestrant has my cell phone number and a message to call
me about my concerns that he is possibly involved in fraud/deception
because I have evidence that Sermo's claim that they have more than
35,000 physician-participants is a false one presumably to allow them
to charge and make more money from their pharma clients.
It seems he is too cowardly to call me to discuss these concerns but
rather has cancelled my Sermo account to keep me from gathering more
evidence. However, it is too late for him because I have more than
enough evidence to turn over to the appropriate governing
authorities. Laus Deo ! ! !
What is about to happen reminds me of what happened to BellSouth,
which is no more:
http://TruthRUS.org/DavidvsGoliath
"All power and authority in this world has been given to ME." -- The
Risen LORD Jesus Christ
Amen.
Marana tha
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed
yama...@aol.com
> Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
And your cell phone is just vibrating out of your pants it's ringing
so much, isn't it Chung? Along with your other delusions and lies you
now start this lie. At least I know have your admitted proof that you
were kicked off Sermo. And you just keep building your own case for
why your medical license should be revoked for reasons of mental
incompetency and dishonesty.
Mike Mordant
> Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
So you claim you destroyed Bell South?
That is complete nonsense.
Do you relaize that there is no one who takes your threats serioulsy?
You are not the Holy Spirit.
<X ><
Mark K. Bilbo
> "Tiger Lily" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:5qukjqF...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> you are one sick fuck, Andie
>> go seek counselling, you visions of grandiose exceed your abilities
>>
> Yet it is you who will die early, not him. Don't you know that lab
> rats
> on a restricted calorie diet live 1/3 longer than rats on a high calorie
> diet? But then you think you will be the "grandiose" exception, don't
> you?
Oh look, a kook defending a kook...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“The religious man, starting out with an outfit of
irrational postulates and untenable hopes, tries to
fit them into the facts of a harshly material world.
In the process he must do violence to both.”
- H. L. Mencken
Mark K. Bilbo
> Our dearly departed Bob (this one) Pastorio expressed similar sentiments
> and his death was an inauspicious one on Fool's day:
Gee, a terminally ill man died. Boy, that was unexpected!
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"Behold the foul stench of Skeletor's breakfast burrito!"
Mark K. Bilbo
> What is about to happen reminds me of what happened to BellSouth, which
> is no more:
Nothing happened to Bell South you idiot. They merged with AT&T becoming
part of one of the biggest telecom companies on the planet.
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is
fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable.
What he wants above everything else is safety.”
- H. L. Mencken
Mark K. Bilbo
Yes! AT&T's purchase of Bell South destroyed them. There are no phones
anywhere in the South now!
It's like how when you buy a car, it explodes.
> That is complete nonsense.
That's Chunker's middle name...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“A Sunday school is a prison in which children do
penance for the evil conscience of their parents. ”
- H. L. Mencken
Mark K. Bilbo
> friend Jim Chinnis wrote:
>> yama...@aol.com (untruthful Serrmo physician) wrote in part:
>>
>> >Jim, you are doing a great job controlling your diabetes. I wish more
>> >of my patients would make an effort to lose as little as 7% of their
>> >body weight by the dietary methods and exercise as you are doing. Even
>> >that little bit could help control blood sugars. It is a struggle
>> >sometimes just to get them to continue to be compliant with
>> >medications. Many don't realize that they can out eat their meds. Your
>> >post prandial values are amazing.
>>
>> Clarification:
>>
>> I have never been diagnosed with diabetes, and my internist has
>> followed me closely. My interest came about when I decided to check out
>> the glycemic effect of different foods on myself using a home blood
>> glucose meter I bought for that purpose. My interest was in losing some
>> more weight by further shaping my diet to keep my blood glucose from
>> rising much. I ran a home-brew glucose challenge test and saw
>> that--while not diabetic--I had become more intolerant of glucose
>> (starch) than was healthy. Since then (mid-April) I have lost about 25
>> lb. and my BG readings have completely normalized.
>
> Bottom line:
>
> "yama...@aol.com" is untruthful.
Translation: "Andy got caught lying again".
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“The larger the mob, the harder the test....when the
field is nationwide...then all the odds are on the man
who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre--
the man who can most easily adeptly disperse the
notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum.
“The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men.
As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more
and more closely, the inner soul of the people.
“We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and
glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their
heart's desire at last, and the White House will be
adorned by a downright moron.”
- H. L. Mencken
Archie Leach
>
>What is about to happen reminds me of what happened to BellSouth,
>which is no more:
>
>http://TruthRUS.org/DavidvsGoliath
"They're coming to take me away, ha-hah, they're coming to take me
away, ho-ho...."
MU
> Okay, Chung, let's get back to your original untruthful claims. Yes,
> you did post these links to EKGs on Sermo in the beginning of Nov
> 2007. Nothing in your initial vignette presentation mentioned your
> 2PD-OMER Approach. The EKGs showed atrial fibrillation then
> normalization to sinus rythym. Since you have obscured the dates of
> the actual EKGs there is no way to know if they are sequential or even
> of the same person. In the limited discussion that followed, you then
> claimed that the atrial fibrillation normalized to sinus rythym
> because the patient lost weight using your approach and the harmful
> adipokines, blah blah blah....And everyone on Sermo soundly called you
> out on your pseudo science. Maybe 2-3 people interacted with you on
> your posting and maybe 40 out of over 35,000 physicians voted.
Shoot me a copy of that list, will ya Yammer?
> And
> when people chose your preset answer of, "it's a miracle" you
> interpreted their choice concretely and didn't realize you were the
> butt of the joke. You then went on to post in Usenet groups that Sermo
> physicians believed that miracles could happen! Laus Dias! Maus Haus!
Sermo physicians don't? Not one of them in 35,000? Not one?
And you know this how?
Shoot me a copy of your interviews of the 35,000, zipped, pdf format
preferred.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
>
Here's a link to something better...
... all packaged and good to go:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/SermoExposed
(For Dr. Palestrant, who might be lurking here in SMC, you have 72
hours to reach me on my cell phone before a mass emailing of the above
link to all Sermo investors and other interested parties takes place
on Tuesday 12/4/07 at 17:00 hrs).
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungry... be blessed:
Ozgirl
"MU" <m...@moo.com> wrote in message
news:9pb0b8ijd5p4.8thow0dtt2d4$.dlg@40tude.net...
And we are still waiting for the 65,000 Israelites' testimonials about the
benefits from the 2 lb approach. Your point?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> >> you did post these links to EKGs on Sermo in the beginning of Nov
> >> 2007. Nothing in your initial vignette presentation mentioned your
> >> 2PD-OMER Approach. The EKGs showed atrial fibrillation then
> >> normalization to sinus rythym. Since you have obscured the dates of
> >> the actual EKGs there is no way to know if they are sequential or even
> >> of the same person. In the limited discussion that followed, you then
> >> claimed that the atrial fibrillation normalized to sinus rythym
> >> because the patient lost weight using your approach and the harmful
> >> adipokines, blah blah blah....And everyone on Sermo soundly called you
> >> out on your pseudo science. Maybe 2-3 people interacted with you on
> >> your posting and maybe 40 out of over 35,000 physicians voted.
> >
> > Shoot me a copy of that list, will ya Yammer?
> >
> >> And
> >> when people chose your preset answer of, "it's a miracle" you
> >> interpreted their choice concretely and didn't realize you were the
> >> butt of the joke. You then went on to post in Usenet groups that Sermo
> >> physicians believed that miracles could happen! Laus Dias! Maus Haus!
> >
> > Sermo physicians don't? Not one of them in 35,000? Not one?
> >
> > And you know this how?
> >
> > Shoot me a copy of your interviews of the 35,000, zipped, pdf format
> > preferred.
>
> And we are still waiting for the 65,000 Israelites' testimonials about the
> benefits from the 2 lb approach.
Perhaps if the land of Oz were to adopt the 2PD-OMER Approach, the
obesity epidemic would be halted down under as it is being stopped up
here in U.S. based on the latest CDC stats.
> Your point?
Cure with two-million dollar guarantee:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Guarantee
Suggested additional reading:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/SermoExposed
MU
> Atrial fibrillation is a transient condition. It comes and goes.
Got it, transient means non-permanent, thanks.
> No
> way did you "prove" that you "cured" it through your approach.
Then what was proved?
> As for causing "quite a stir" on Sermo, people quickly noted that you
> were probably a schizophrenic with delusional ideas and ignored you.
The Rheumatologists said that?
> You got all whiny for attention when they did and cross posted and
> made your odd statements repeatedly until you got kicked off of Sermo
> in less than a month from when you'd joined.
It took /that/ long?
> When you presented Jim's message to the newsgroup on Sermo verbatim.
> (in response to people on Sermo asking you where you had published)
> you called it a "case report" and implied that he was your patient and
> following your approach.
Implied? So you and others made an implication, an assumption but no
verification. You're a physician? Do you understand "diagnosis"?
> By then, people on Sermo already knew that you are mentally
> unbalanced.
The thoracic guys too?
> Maybe you are good for a moment or two of entertainment.
> But one can't even engage you in meaningful dialog. Your concrete
> thinking and inability to grasp metaphors, your delusional ideas of
> self-reference, your hyper-religious grandiosity are all classic
> schizophrenic traits. People quickly realize this.
The podiatrits?
> I will point out your inconsistencies and keep you from harming anyone
> with your whacked out advice or approach.
Another "Bob Pastorio", self-styled Lone Ranger, you go right ahead. There
is no such thing as bad publicity, Yammer.
> You lie and twist the truth
> and claim you are "published"
He is.
> or that you've had influence on Sermo
Obviously he did, you're mess of a Declaration Of Yammer Wars post is
self-evident to that fact.
> or
> on Sermo's clients in the pharma industry. You are lying.
Doesn't appear to be the case at all, Yammer.
> Or else you
> are so delusional you can't tell the difference.
Well, damn, Yammer which is it? You're a psychiatrist, aren't you. Well,
aren't you? You tell us.
> Perhaps Dan
> Palestrant would be interested on seeing what you have written.
Tell Dan Mu said Hi! And if he wants another phone number to *not* call,
give him mine.
Art Deco
Slapped down by his professional peers on SERMO, Andy regresses to
posting redirect links to his previous Usenet spews.
--
Supreme Leader of the Brainwashed Followers of Art Deco
Official "Usenet psychopath and born-again LLPOF minion",
as designated by Brad Guth
COOSN-266-06-39716
Archie Leach
I'm sure Dr. Palestrant is crapping his drawers in fear this very
moment.
Art Deco
A nicely formed web page that demonstrates that Andy Benhur Chung is a
liar.
MU
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/SermoExposed
>
> (For Dr. Palestrant, who might be lurking here in SMC, you have 72
> hours to reach me on my cell phone before a mass emailing of the above
> link to all Sermo investors and other interested parties takes place
> on Tuesday 12/4/07 at 17:00 hrs).
>
> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungry... be blessed:
I got the best Group Email program, tracks receipts, verifies email
addresses, let me know.
MU
>> Shoot me a copy of your interviews of the 35,000, zipped, pdf format
>> preferred.
>
> Here's a link to something better...
>
> ... all packaged and good to go:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/SermoExposed
http://heartmdphd.com/gifs/sermo_lie.jpg
Gotta love a personalized, accountable response. lol
MU
> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:41:58 -0800, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
>> Our dearly departed Bob (this one) Pastorio expressed similar sentiments
>> and his death was an inauspicious one on Fool's day:
>
> Gee, a terminally ill man died. Boy, that was unexpected!
It was to Pastorio.
MU
>> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
>>
>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed
>>
>> Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
>>
>> Andrew <><
>> --
>> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>> Lawful steward ofhttp://EmoryCardiology.com
>> Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
>
> And your cell phone is just vibrating out of your pants...
snort...snort... uh, uh, whose yammering, uh, <yawn> uh, zzzzzzzzzzz
MU
> Maybe 2-3 people interacted with you on
>>> your posting and maybe 40 out of over 35,000 physicians voted.
>>
>> Shoot me a copy of that list, will ya Yammer?
>>
>>> And
>>> when people chose your preset answer of, "it's a miracle" you
>>> interpreted their choice concretely and didn't realize you were the
>>> butt of the joke. You then went on to post in Usenet groups that Sermo
>>> physicians believed that miracles could happen! Laus Dias! Maus Haus!
>>
>> Sermo physicians don't? Not one of them in 35,000? Not one?
>>
>> And you know this how?
>>
>> Shoot me a copy of your interviews of the 35,000, zipped, pdf format
>> preferred.
>
> And we are still waiting for the 65,000 Israelites' testimonials about the
> benefits from the 2 lb approach. Your point?
Did you miss it? Seriously?
I don't care if you are waiting for a Real Life, Yammers has 35,000 docs on
a list he personally interviewed and I can't wait to read it.
Wanna copy?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/SermoExposed
> >
> > (For Dr. Palestrant, who might be lurking here in SMC, you have 72
> > hours to reach me on my cell phone before a mass emailing of the above
> > link to all Sermo investors and other interested parties takes place
> > on Tuesday 12/4/07 at 17:00 hrs).
> >
> > Be hungry... be healthy... be hungry... be blessed:
>
> I got the best Group Email program, tracks receipts, verifies email
> addresses, let me know.
That would be wonderfully helpful.
Thank You :-)
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
yama...@aol.com
1) You have no idea who all of the Sermo clients are. Mass
mailing...right.
2) Pfizer and the AMA are Sermo partners. Better put them on your
notification list too. Make sure they've got your publicist's number
and your cel phone number.
3) Go ahead in the name of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit and carry
out your promise to "expose Sermo." <sitting back, eating some
popcorn, watching the comedy unfold>.
4) Include the GA Medical Board in your mass mailing too. Be sure to
give links to your convicts list, maps of Rebukestan, the link to
your unprecedented 2 million dollar offer, the empirical evidence for
the 2PD-Approach, your up-to-date resume and your Cygnus Medical
Consultants client list. Make sure you cite all of your Usenet
postings of proof of you being published...ooh and send them copies of
your self published vanity book..."Be Famished" or whatever it's
called. That will establish your credibility. That will be sure to
convince Sermo that they will suffer the same fate as the telephone
company did.
5) Make sure your thug MU mouths off too. That's always a powerful way
to persuade people that you mean business. He's so intelligent and
articulate.
6) Be sure to sprinkle the Bible misquotes liberally. Make sure that
you stress that you are bond servant and handmaiden to the Lord of
Lords and that you speak for the Holy Spirit and walk with Jesus. That
way you can be sure that it is not you being Christian people object
to but that all of the religious spew has become the focus of your
psychosis and that is what people are responding to.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > brother MU wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > > >http://HeartMDPhD.com/SermoExposed
> >
> > > > (For Dr. Palestrant, who might be lurking here in SMC, you have 72
> > > > hours to reach me on my cell phone before a mass emailing of the above
> > > > link to all Sermo investors and other interested parties takes place
> > > > on Tuesday 12/4/07 at 17:00 hrs).
> >
> > > addresses, let me know.
> >
> > That would be wonderfully helpful.
> >
> > Thank You :-)
>
> mailing...right.
"With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
-- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)
Amen :-))
Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at how GOD exposes Sermo's
credit-line:
http://www.longworthblog.com/2007/09/12/q-a-with-sermo-ceo-daniel-palestrant/
May all the glory go to LORD Almighty GOD :-)))
yama...@aol.com
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> sermite sockpuppet hissed pitifully while trembling terribly:
>
>
>
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > brother MU wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > > > >http://HeartMDPhD.com/SermoExposed
>
> > > > > (For Dr. Palestrant, who might be lurking here in SMC, you have 72
> > > > > hours to reach me on my cell phone before a mass emailing of the above
> > > > > link to all Sermo investors and other interested parties takes place
> > > > > on Tuesday 12/4/07 at 17:00 hrs).
>
> > > > I got the best Group Email program, tracks receipts, verifies email
> > > > addresses, let me know.
>
> > > That would be wonderfully helpful.
>
> > > Thank You :-)
>
> > 1) You have no idea who all of the Sermo clients are. Mass
> > mailing...right.
>
> "With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
> -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)
>
> Amen :-))
>
> Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at how GOD exposes Sermo's
> credit-line:
>
>
> May all the glory go to LORD Almighty GOD :-)))
>
> Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
Chung is unclear on the concepts of investors vs. clients vs.
partners. He skilfully managed to ferret out Sermo's investors...a
listing disclosed by Sermo and easily available to anyone. Great
detective work there sport! I'm waiting in trembling anticipation to
see the results of this mass mailing to all Sermo investors and
interested parties.
After all, Cygnus Medical Consultants, Inc is a force to be reckoned
with. I mean...look at their (Andrew's) http://www.cygnusconsultants.com/
portfolio holdings and client list. Or did the real Cygnus Business
Consulting company find out that you were trying to associate yourself
with their name?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
flyingrat
@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, yama...@aol.com says...
> Chung is unclear on the concepts of investors vs. clients vs.
> partners. He skilfully managed to ferret out Sermo's investors...a
> listing disclosed by Sermo and easily available to anyone. Great
> detective work there sport! I'm waiting in trembling anticipation to
> see the results of this mass mailing to all Sermo investors and
> interested parties.
>
---------------------------------
| The Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD FAQ |
| Version 1.0, January, 2004 |
---------------------------------
Introduction
------------
New people arriving in sci.med.cardiology (s.m.c.) are often puzzled
and troubled by the controversy surrounding the poster who posts as Dr.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (Dr. Chung) and want to know what the
controversy is about. This FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) attempts
to provide an answer.
The FAQ is arranged in typical FAQ form, i.e. a series of questions and
answers. For those who don¹t wish to read the whole FAQ, the following
summary is provided.
Summary
-------
Dr. Chung represents himself to be a licensed physician specializing in
cardiology. In this capacity he responds to medical questions on
s.m.c.. If that were all he did, there would probably be no
controversy.
The controversy arises from Dr. Chung¹s other behaviors on s.m.c., in
particular:
o He uses s.m.c. to not only proselytize his particular interpretation
of Christianity, but also to disparage and attack anyone with a
different interpretation or different religion.
o He uses s.m.c. to promote his unscientific Two Pound Diet (2PD) and,
in fact, cross posts this information to other groups in order to
gain more exposure.
o When challenged on the above issues, or one of his medical opinions,
he attacks his challengers as "obsessive anti-Christians",
"libelers", "homosexuals", "people who can¹t understand English",
etc.
o When challenged he performs Internet searches on his challengers in
order to "get the dirt" on them and smear their reputations.
o When challenged, he answers with evasions, non sequiturs,
dissembling, rhetorical questions, quotes from the bible, religious
mantras, thinly veiled death threats, ad hominem arguments, and other
such disreputable, unethical, and unprofessional tactics.
o He is insufferably full of himself, claiming to have "the gift of
Truth Discernment" and to be "Humble" while behaving anything but
humbly.
o He uses a foil who posts under variations of the name "Mu" to avoid
killfiles. Mu¹s job is to troll other newsgroups and, when he gets
a
reaction, to cross post the reaction to s.m.c. so that Dr. Chung can
disingenuously claim to be "only responding" to a cross post.
Whereas Dr. Chung has to be somewhat careful what he says and so
attacks primarily through insinuation and innuendo, Mu¹s tactics are
blunt and direct like those of a playground bully.
The above lists only the highlights of Dr. Chung¹s egregious behavior
on s.m.c.. If anything, it understates it. Everything can be verified
in the Google archives.
The issue then arises: so what? As long as Dr. Chung provides free
medical advice on s.m.c., who cares what else he does?
Many people provide free medical advice on the internet. How does one
know whether it is good advice or bad advice? If the person giving the
advice is, or represents himself to be, a doctor shouldn¹t that be
enough? Unfortunately, no.
Medical education alone is not enough to guarantee good advice.
Knowledge must be tempered with judgment, impartiality, integrity,
ethics, and professionalism. If someone consistently demonstrates by
their behavior that they lack these qualities, how much credence should
be given to their medical advice?
People arrive in this group looking for help. For their own
protection, they deserve to know the quality of the person purporting
to dispense that help and not be lulled into a false sense of security
simply because someone displays an MD after their name. It is the
intention of this FAQ to provide people with enough information to
allow them to make an informed decision.
List of Questions Answered
--------------------------
1. Who is Dr. Andrew B Chung, MD/PhD?
2. What is the Charter of s.m.c.?
3. Aren¹t Religious Discussions Covered by the Charter?
4. So Dr. Chung is Religious... What¹s the Problem With That?
5. But it¹s Just a Little "Tag Line" in His Signature.
6. But I¹m a Christian Too!
7. Well, Why Not Just Ignore His Religious Rants?
8. But Isn¹t It Wonderful That Dr. Chung Offers This Free
Medical Advice Out of the Goodness of His Heart?
9. How Does a Practicing Physician Find so Much Time to Spend on
Usenet?
10. Won¹t Challenging Dr. Chung Drive People Away?
11. Doesn't the "Fault" for all Those Posts Lay With Those Who
Challenge Dr. Chung?
12. Why Do I see So Many "Ad Hominem" Attacks?
13. I'm Sick of Seeing All This!
14. What is the Two Pound Diet?
15. Is Discussion of the Two Pound Diet "On Topic"?
16. Who is Mu?
17. What is Mu¹s Role?
1. Who is Dr. Andrew B Chung, MD/PhD?
--------------------------------------
The poster who posts as Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD claims to be a
licensed physician, practicing internal medicine in Atlanta, Georgia,
USA and specializing in cardiology. His signature contains a link to a
website which is consistent with his posts.
It should be noted that anyone can claim to be anyone on Usenet and so
caution is always advised. Indeed there are those who claim that the
poster in question is not Dr. Andrew B. Chung, or is not the Dr. Andrew
B. Chung listed in the Atlanta telephone directory, and/or has lost his
license and/or hospital privileges for misconduct. This FAQ does not
attempt to address those claims one way or the other. The reader with
an interest in these matters can easily find the relevant discussions
archived in Google Groups.
This FAQ deals with the poster who posts as Dr. Chung and restricts
itself to issues demonstrated by those posts. No position is taken on
his "true" identity.
2. What is the Charter of s.m.c.?
----------------------------------
The purpose of this newsgroup is to establish electronic media for
communication between health care providers, scientists and other
individuals with interest in the cardiovascular field. Such
communications will provide quick and efficacious means to exchange
information and knowledge, and offer problems to solutions.
The sci.med.cardiology newsgroup will welcome participants who are
health care providers, trainees, researchers, students or recipients
with interest in the field of cardiovascular problems."
(ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/sci/sci.med.cardiology)
3. Aren¹t Religious Discussions Covered by the Charter?
--------------------------------------------------------
What do you think?
4. So Dr. Chung is Religious... What¹s the Problem With That?
--------------------------------------------------------------
There is no problem with that. Most of the people who participate in
s.m.c. are probably religious. However no one but Dr. Chung feels
compelled to characterize themselves as the "Humble Servant of God" in
their signatures, continually thank God for the opportunity to
"witness", question others about their religious beliefs, claim the
"Gift of Truth Discernment", etc.
When one person insists on introducing his personal religious
interpretations into the discussions, it naturally generates responses
from others who feel just as strongly that their viewpoints are
correct. The resulting debate easily swirls out of control, especially
given Dr. Chung¹s intolerant and dismissive attitude towards beliefs
which differ from his. The situation is further exacerbated by Mu¹s
rabble raising from the sidelines.
There are over 160 Usenet groups dedicated to the discussion of
religion. Dr. Chung should take his beliefs to one of these and stick
to cardiology in s.m.c. It is a simple matter of respect for others.
5. But it¹s Just a Little "Tag Line" in His Signature.
-------------------------------------------------------
No, it is not. He has even gone so far as to "investigate" someone
asking for advice about stents and accuse her of being anti-Christian.
6. But I¹m a Christian Too!
---------------------------
Lots of people are Christians. There is a time and a place for
everything. s.m.c. isn¹t the place to "witness" or recruit. In
addition, lots of other people are Jews, Moslems, Buddhists,
Taoists, Hindus, etc. Would s.m.c. be better or worse if they
all emulated Dr. Chung in their proselytizing and recruiting?
Furthermore, if you are a Christian, you should be appalled by Dr.
Chung¹s pharisaical, cynical, and manipulative use of Christianity. He
is truly a "whitened sepulcher", loudly proclaiming his adherence to
Christian values while overtly lying, carrying on smear campaigns
against others, making false accusations, dissembling, and marketing
his web site under the guise of altruism. He is "bearing false
witness" and true Christians should be concerned.
As an example, when John Ritter recently died unexpectedly, Dr. Chung
rushed to use this unfortunate event to market his web site. He showed
a total lack of Christian compassion for Mr. Ritter and his family,
even when challenged to do so.
As another example, he recently choreographed a smear campaign against
a poster who had criticized him. Dr. Chung found a homosexual author
with the same first name and then insinuated that the poster and anyone
who agreed with him were engaged in a homosexual relationship. Ask
yourself if this the brand of Christianity you identify with.
7. Well, Why Not Just Ignore His Religious Rants?
--------------------------------------------------
Why should one individual be given carte blanche to violate the rights
of everyone else? Usenet is a community. It is up to the community to
sanction its members. There is nothing "ad hominem" about challenging
inappropriate and antisocial behavior.
8. But Isn¹t It Wonderful That Dr. Chung Offers This Free
Medical Advice Out of the Goodness of His Heart?
----------------------------------------------------------
First, it is only of value if it is good advice. Medical education
alone is not enough to guarantee good advice. Knowledge must be
tempered with judgment, impartiality, integrity, ethics, and
professionalism. If someone consistently demonstrates by their
behavior that they lack these qualities, how much credence should be
given to their medical advice?
Secondly, despite his protestations to the contrary, Dr. Chung is not
simply motivated by altruism. Every post of Dr. Chung's contains a
link to a website with the following quote:
"If you are looking for a cardiologist and reside in Georgia,
please consider me your best option for a personal heart advocate.
Check out my credentials and my background. Additional information
is available in the protected sections of this web site. Email me at
cardiolog...@heartmdphd.com to me of your interest and I may send
you a temporary username and password to allow a preview. The more
information you email, the more likely my decision to send you a
temporary username and password. If you like what you see and learn
from this website and wish to confer with me about your heart, you
or your doctor should email me privately or call my voicemail at
404-699-2780 to schedule an appointment to see me at my *real*
office."
(http://www.heartmdphd.com/office.asp)
Thirdly, Dr. Chung has repeatedly stated that one of his key
motivations for participating is s.m.c. is to "witness" and win
converts to his religious beliefs.
9. How Does a Practicing Physician Find so Much Time to Spend on
Usenet?
------------------------------------------------------------------
An interesting question.
10. Won¹t Challenging Dr. Chung Drive People Away?
--------------------------------------------------
Perhaps. But not challenging him will drive others away.
s.m.c. is historically a "low traffic" group. Therefore, when Dr. Chung
misbehaves, he generates an apparently large response. This is
compounded by Dr. Chung¹s need to "get in the last word" and Mu¹s
provocations. In spite of this, if someone has a question it will
usually be answered.
Dr. Chung is not the only participant who offers advice in s.m.c. He
is not even the only doctor who participates in s.m.c. However, the
controversy he generates and sustains often makes it appear that he is
the "only game in town".
Finally, Dr. Chung himself drives others away including other
physicians who leave in disgust after being verbally assaulted by him,
and other knowledgeable posters who point out where Dr. Chung¹s medical
opinion might be in error or at least not the only one generally held.
Anyone disagreeing with Dr. Chung on any subject can expect a series of
increasingly vitriolic attacks, including threats of libel suits.
11. Doesn't the "Fault" for all Those Posts Lay With Those Who
Challenge Dr. Chung?
--------------------------------------------------------------
An interesting perspective: blame the victim. No other poster
(with the exception of Mu, of course) introduces religion or
the Two Pound Diet. How can it be acceptable for Dr. Chung
to introduce these topics, but not acceptable for others to
respond?
In any thread, someone must, of necessity "get the last word".
Dr. Chung has amply demonstrated that he will not be outdone
in this respect.
12. Why Do I see So Many "Ad Hominem" Attacks?
----------------------------------------------
You are probably referring to an "Ad Hominem" _argument_, which
attempts to disprove an adversary's fact by personal attack on
the adversary. An example would be "You are opposed to the
Two Pound Diet because you are anti-Christian".
When someone misbehaves, for example lies or distorts what
someone else is saying, it is not an "ad hominem attack" to
call them on it. It is a legitimate social sanction.
There are also, unfortunately too often, simple personal
attacks and insults on both sides. While we can all wish
it weren't so, it is simply human nature when an argument
becomes heated or the other person is obviously not arguing
in good faith. If you are distressed by this, see the next
question.
13. I'm Sick of Seeing All This!
--------------------------------
There is no reason why you have to see it. Just as you can
change the TV channel if you don't like a show, you can killfile
a poster or thread you don't want to see. See the manual
that came with your Usenet reader for directions on how to do it.
Before you do this, however, you may wish to consider if a truer
picture of the world is not gained by seeing all that goes on -
both the good and the bad.
14. What is the Two Pound Diet?
-------------------------------
The Two pound Diet is a diet which Dr. Chung "invented". It¹s only
rule is to restrict yourself to two pounds of food per day. That¹s it.
Doesn¹t matter if you are a 16 year old girl or an 80 year old man; a
5¹ 2" woman or a 7¹ man; a weight lifter or a mattress tester. Two
pounds. That¹s it. No more, less if you want. One size fits all.
Oh, and the food? Whatever you want: two pounds of lettuce, two pounds
of ice cream, two pounds of celery, two pounds of bacon, two pounds of
chocolate, two pounds of peanuts... doesn¹t matter. Mix and match.
Just keep it under two pounds.
Dr. Chung¹s claim is that this magical weight of food, this universal
gustatory constant will cause everyone to arrive at and maintain their
ideal weight. His scientific basis for this claim: none. The proof he
offers: none. Studies supporting this claim: none. Nutritional
explanation: none. Metabolic explanation: none.
And this from a doctor who expects people to take him seriously on
other issues.
15. Is Discussion of the Two Pound Diet "On Topic"?
---------------------------------------------------
Dr. Chung says it is because being overweight is a risk factor for
heart problems and therefore discussion of the Two Pound Diet is On
Topic. However criticism of the Two Pound Diet is Off Topic as is
discussion of any other diet.
As with religion, Dr. Chung takes every opportunity to introduce the
Two Pound Diet (2PD) into any other thread. In addition Mu trolls
other newsgroups, particularly the diet groups looking for
opportunities to introduce the 2PD in these groups and then cross post
the resulting discussion back to s.m.c so that Dr. Chung can
disingenuously claim to be "only responding" to a cross post.
Since Dr. Chung and Mu have been laughed off of these other groups and
have been asked repeatedly not to bring up the 2PD in them,
participants of these groups are understandably angered when it happens
yet again=3F and, because of Mu¹s cross-posting, all their anger spills
back into s.m.c.
Another reason for ongoing 2PD discussions is Dr. Chung¹s habit of
researching anyone who criticizes the 2PD and then cross-posting his
responses back to other groups which the critic has been found to
frequent. He disingenuously claims that he does this as a
"convenience" to the critic, but his true reasons are transparent.
Once again, the cross-post generates a firestorm in s.m.c.
The bottom line is that if the Two Pound Diet is "On Topic" for
anyone, it is "On Topic" for everyone... including it's critics.
If it is "Off Topic", it should not be continually re-introduced
by Dr. Chung.
16. Who is Mu?
--------------
Mu is a longtime Usenet Troll who has even merited his own FAQ. He
postures as some kind of personal physical trainer, but who really
knows? He has allied himself with Dr. Chung and serves as the "Bad Cop"
in the Chung-Mu "Good Cop - Bad Cop" routine. He specializes in the
short, nasty one-liner and, because, unlike Dr. Chung, he has no
reputation to protect, he can afford to be much more direct and
offensive.
Mu parrots an even meaner-spirited version of Dr. Chung¹s
"Christianity" and does not hesitate to employ anti-Semitism and
homophobia in his attacks.
Naturally, most people would have long ago killfiled Mu, so he changes
his handle on an almost daily basis.
17. What is Mu¹s Role?
----------------------
Mu¹s role is to troll other newsgroups and, when he gets a reaction, to
cross post the reaction to s.m.c. so that Dr. Chung can disingenuously
claim to be "only responding" to a cross post.
Mu is also responsible for pitching softballs to Dr. Chung so he can
hit them out of the park, and for re-introducing religion and the Two
Pound Diet should the discussion flag.
Finally, Mu¹s role is to tirelessly wear down unsuspecting Dr. Chung
critics, deflecting the blows that would otherwise be aimed at Dr.
Chung. He is Dr. Chung¹s Internet equivalent of the "rope-a-dope".
Insults roll off him like water off a duck as do attempts to reason
with him or even have a civil discussion.
Most people have learned to ignore him and his comment is usually the
last one in any thread sub-tree where it appears.
Comments and/or corrections to this FAQ will be taken under advisement.
Mark K. Bilbo
Just how debased, vile, and evil did you have to become before it made
sense to snipe at a terminally ill man?
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“There is always an easy solution to every
problem - neat, plausible, and wrong.”
- H. L. Mencken
Mark K. Bilbo
> Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at how GOD exposes Sermo's
> credit-line:
Gee, the lard exposed public information. Whadda merkul!
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“Theology is the effort to explain the unknowable
in terms of the not worth knowing.”
- H. L. Mencken
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Mike Mordant
Oh - good point.
Ghoul.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Mark K. Bilbo
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/SermoExposed
>
> <><
yawn
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"Oh Log Cabin, full of taste, my stomach is with thee.
Blessed are three among syrups..."
- Homer
Marsha
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/SermoExposed
>
> <><
Robert Miles
"Marsha" <m...@xeb.net> wrote in message news:fiv4gq$ri5$2...@news.datemas.de...
> Stop crossposting sci.med.transcription. We don't care.
>
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/SermoExposed
>>
>> <><
>
Archie Leach
Stop posting your crap to the cardiology newsgroup. Why don't you
grow up a bit?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
MU
> On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:54:03 -0500, MU wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:06:42 -0600, Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:41:58 -0800, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>>
>>>> Our dearly departed Bob (this one) Pastorio expressed similar
>>>> sentiments and his death was an inauspicious one on Fool's day:
>>>
>>> Gee, a terminally ill man died. Boy, that was unexpected!
>>
>> It was to Pastorio.
>
> Just how debased, vile, and evil did you have to become before it made
> sense to snipe at a terminally ill man?
He's dead. Wake up, Bimbo.
MU
Thanks.
> Ghoul.
Truth.
MU
> > I got the best Group Email program, tracks receipts, verifies email
>>> addresses, let me know.
>>
>> That would be wonderfully helpful.
>>
>> Thank You :-)
>>
>> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>>
>> Andrew <><
>
> 1) You have no idea who all of the Sermo clients are. Mass
> mailing...right.
*E-mailing*; Yammers, read, comprehend.
> 2) Pfizer and the AMA are Sermo partners. Better put them on your
> notification list too. Make sure they've got your publicist's number
> and your cel phone number.
Thanks!
> 3) Go ahead in the name of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit and carry
> out your promise to "expose Sermo." <sitting back, eating some
> popcorn, watching the comedy unfold>
Butter?
> 4) Include the GA Medical Board in your mass mailing too.
Got it!
> 5) Make sure your thug MU mouths off too. That's always a powerful way
> to persuade people that you mean business. He's so intelligent and
> articulate.
Articulate and intelligent...thug?
Yammers, you do yammer about, don't you?
MU
> Chung is unclear on the concepts of investors vs. clients vs.
> partners. He skilfully managed to ferret out Sermo's investors...a
> listing disclosed by Sermo and easily available to anyone. Great
> detective work there sport!
Excellent for contacting the heart of any corp, the money, eh Yammers?
> I'm waiting in trembling anticipation to
> see the results of this mass mailing to all Sermo investors and
> interested parties.
*e-mailing*; read, comprehend.
MU
>> The weight loss has been achieved primarily by restricting carbohydrates and
>> increasing the intensity of my workouts out at the gym. This has been done
>> while increasing the vegetables in my diet. I have not gone hungry at all,
>> but I have eaten with care.
>>
>> I am 5'9" and weigh 140 lb now.
140? Yammers, brother, do you need a good protrainer.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
>
> > Chung is unclear on the concepts of investors vs. clients vs.
> > partners. He skilfully managed to ferret out Sermo's investors...a
> > listing disclosed by Sermo and easily available to anyone. Great
> > detective work there sport!
>
> Excellent for contacting the heart of any corp, the money, eh Yammers?
As it is written, money is at the root of all evil:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/SermoExposed
May we, who are Jesus' brethren, continue to rebuke satan:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Rebukesatan
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
yama...@aol.com
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:29:20 -0800 (PST), yamant...@aol.com wrote:
> >> The weight loss has been achieved primarily by restricting carbohydrates and
> >> increasing the intensity of my workouts out at the gym. This has been done
> >> while increasing the vegetables in my diet. I have not gone hungry at all,
> >> but I have eaten with care.
>
> >> I am 5'9" and weigh 140 lb now.
>
> 140? Yammers, brother, do you need a good protrainer.
While we're on the subject of reading skills, MU how about you go back
and reread and determine the origin of the quote that you mistakenly
attributed to me. MU being described as articulate and
intelligent...mmmhmmm. Being able to discern irony and sarcasm are
also advanced reading comprehension skills. Something neither you nor
Chung have mastered. Chung because his psychosis and its focus on
Christianity make him too concrete. What's your excuse, MU?
Oh and keep us posted on the results of Chung's mass emailing and the
role you play in that, won't ya?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Mark K. Bilbo
So you enjoy sniping at dead people?
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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