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ANALYSIS: Universal Health Care Advocates Turn On The Unvaccinated
US-HEALTH-VIRUS-VACCINE-BOOSTER
Photo by JOSEPH PREZIOSO/AFP via Getty Images
VARUN HUKERI
GENERAL ASSIGNMENT & ANALYSIS REPORTER
October 08, 2021
9:30 PM ET
FONT SIZE:
The financial cost of remaining unvaccinated against COVID-19 is rising
as more companies and health insurance providers are now proposing
insurance surcharges and other healthcare costs as a tool to drive up
vaccination rates.
Such measures have been backed by proponents of universal healthcare and
programs like Medicare for All, even though such policies are, in
theory, meant to offer all Americans healthcare at little to no cost
regardless of their medical status.
Elisabeth Rosenthal, the editor-in-chief of Kaiser Health News, has
argued unvaccinated people should be charged higher insurance rates as a
penalty in The New York Times, CNN and MSNBC. Yet she is a proponent of
universal healthcare, writing in a New York Times op-ed in May 2019 that
the point of healthcare “is to treat patients, not to buttress the economy.”
Arthur Caplan, a prominent medical ethicist, said in an August interview
with WBUR that unvaccinated people should “pay a financial penalty” or
otherwise be held liable for the cost of avoidable treatment. Yet during
the height of the Obamacare debate in 2010, he co-authored an academic
paper arguing that healthcare is a “right” and universal health
insurance “makes sense.”
Democratic California Rep. Ted Lieu invoked criticism on social media
when he tweeted Oct. 2 that unvaccinated people “engage in riskier
actions that increase health care costs and health care burdens on all
of us,” and in turn “should be the one paying for the increased risk.”
Ted Lieu
@tedlieu
If you are going to engage in riskier actions that increase health care
costs and health care burdens on all of us, then you should be the one
paying for the increased risk.
Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
Ochsner Health, Louisiana's largest healthcare provider, will raise
health insurance premiums for employees whose spouses or domestic
partners covered under its benefits plan are not vaccinated against
COVID. https://bit.ly/39WT1lI
6:59 PM · Oct 2, 2021
8.8K
See the latest COVID-19 information on Twitter
Lieu, a supporter of Medicare for All, appears to be contradicting a
basic premise of universal healthcare. The New Republic, a liberal
outlet, noted in an article opposing additional financial costs on
unvaccinated people that under a universal healthcare system,
“individual health care use shouldn’t determine how much anyone pays
into the system.” (RELATED: Progressives Applaud Alabama Doctor Who
Refuses To Treat Patients Unvaccinated Against COVID-19)
Some critics have compared penalties for unvaccinated patients,
including denying them treatment altogether, to targeting patients with
health conditions such as obesity, a group that almost certainly would
use more healthcare services.
The relationship between health conditions like COVID-19 and obesity are
not unfounded, as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)
concluded in a March study that 78% of people hospitalized due to
COVID-19 were overweight or obese.
Lieu’s office did not comment at the time of publication to a request
from the Daily Caller. His office didn’t respond to questions about the
Body Mass Index (BMI) sliding scale and whether financial costs for the
unvaccinated is comparable to similar costs for obese people.
As supporters of universal healthcare begin to turn on unvaccinated
people, companies and health insurance providers are also moving forward
with plans to impose insurance surcharges and other financial costs.
Delta Airlines announced in late August that unvaccinated employees will
face a $200 premium surcharge per month on their health insurance.
Airlines have been among the most aggressive companies in targeting
unvaccinated employees.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
Open Menu
To what extent, if at all, are you concerned about the effectiveness of
your vaccination diminishing over time?
To what extent, if at all, are you concerned about the effectiveness of
your vaccination diminishing over time?
Very concerned
Somewhat concerned
Not at all concerned
Other / No opinion
NEXT
In a memo to employees, Delta CEO Ed Bastian said the surcharge “will be
necessary to address the financial risk the decision to not vaccinate is
creating for our company.”
VICTORVILLE, CA - MARCH 24: A Delta Air Lines jet taxis to be parked
with a growing number of jets at Southern California Logistics Airport
(SCLA) on March 24, 2020 in Victorville, California. As the coronavirus
pandemic grows, exponentially increasing travel restrictions and the
numbers of people in quarantine, airlines around the world are
scrambling to find places to park a majority of their fleet as they wait
to see how the situation will play out. (Photo by David McNew/Getty Images)
A Delta Air Lines jet taxis to be parked with a growing number of jets
at Southern California Logistics Airport (SCLA) on March 24, 2020 in
Victorville, California (David McNew/Getty Images)
Ochsner Health, the largest healthcare provider in Louisiana, announced
earlier in October that employees will be charged a $200 premium
surcharge per month if a spouse or partner covered under an Ochsner plan
is unvaccinated, The Times-Picayune reported.
JPMorgan Chase announced Monday that unvaccinated employees will not
only be required to pay higher payroll contributions next year for
health insurance, but will also be banned from business travel, Reuters
reported.
At the onset of the pandemic, most private insurance providers waived
cost-sharing for patients under their plans. Around 88% of insured
people in November 2020 had their out-of-pocket costs waived if they
were hospitalized for COVID-19, according to the Kaiser Family
Foundation (KFF).
But vaccines have become more easily available in recent months, and
more than 70% of insurance providers in turn no longer waive
out-of-pocket costs for COVID-19 treatment, the KFF concluded.
Companies and insurance providers are likely willing to place additional
financial costs on unvaccinated people because much of the cost for
COVID-19 treatment comes from that group. A CDC report in August found
that the hospitalization rate of unvaccinated people infected with
COVID-19 is 29 times that of vaccinated people. (RELATED: ‘The Only
Pandemic We Have Is Among The Unvaccinated’: Biden Says Facebook
Misinformation Is ‘Killing People’)
Experts believe insurance surcharges and other costs could become a more
common tool in limiting financial risks for companies and insurance
providers, as well as incentivizing people to get the vaccine.
HOLLYWOOD, FLORIDA - AUGUST 07: Lisa Taylor receives a COVID-19
vaccination from RN Jose Muniz as she takes part in a vaccine study at
Research Centers of America on August 07, 2020 in Hollywood, Florida.
Research Centers of America is currently conducting COVID-19 vaccine
trials, implemented under the federal government's Operation Warp Speed
program. The center is recruiting volunteers to participate in the
clinical trials, working with the Federal Government and major
Pharmaceutical Companies, that are racing to develop a vaccine to
potentially prevent COVID-19. (Photo by Joe Raedle/Getty Images)
Lisa Taylor receives a COVID-19 vaccine on August 07, 2020 in Hollywood,
Florida (Joe Raedle/Getty Images)
“Now that COVID-19 is largely preventable for most adults and employers
are pushing people really hard to get vaccinated, it makes a lot less
sense for those employers to be giving people who do get infected a
break,” said KFF Health Care Marketplace director Matthew Rae.
Some experts also dismissed criticism that financial costs for the
unvaccinated are similar to charging more for people with obesity or
other underlying health conditions.
“Your chronic illness isn’t going to jump to the person in the next
cubicle,” said Kenneth Campbell, an assistant professor at the Tulane
School of Public Health and Tropical Medicine.
“This is a wakeup call for people to get vaccinated,” he continued.
“We’re talking about bad decisions in terms of not getting vaccinated
and these are the consequences.”
Polling data indicates Americans are split on whether companies and
insurance providers should be able to charge unvaccinated people more in
health insurance premiums in order to cover for potential associated
medical costs from contracting COVID-19.
In a Harris poll conducted in August, 51% of respondents said they
oppose charging unvaccinated people more compared to 49% who said they
support the idea. Among those polled, 61% of vaccinated respondents said
they support the idea while 27% of unvaccinated respondents said the same.
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ANALYSIS: Universal Health Care Advocates Turn On The Unvaccinated
US-HEALTH-VIRUS-VACCINE-BOOSTER
Photo by JOSEPH PREZIOSO/AFP via Getty Images
VARUN HUKERI
GENERAL ASSIGNMENT & ANALYSIS REPORTER
October 08, 2021
9:30 PM ET
FONT SIZE:
The financial cost of remaining unvaccinated against COVID-19 is rising
as more companies and health insurance providers are now proposing
insurance surcharges and other healthcare costs as a tool to drive up
vaccination rates.
Such measures have been backed by proponents of universal healthcare and
programs like Medicare for All, even though such policies are, in
theory, meant to offer all Americans healthcare at little to no cost
regardless of their medical status.
Elisabeth Rosenthal, the editor-in-chief of Kaiser Health News, has
argued unvaccinated people should be charged higher insurance rates as a
penalty in The New York Times, CNN and MSNBC. Yet she is a proponent of
universal healthcare, writing in a New York Times op-ed in May 2019 that
the point of healthcare “is to treat patients, not to buttress the economy.”
Arthur Caplan, a prominent medical ethicist, said in an August interview
with WBUR that unvaccinated people should “pay a financial penalty” or
otherwise be held liable for the cost of avoidable treatment. Yet during
the height of the Obamacare debate in 2010, he co-authored an academic
paper arguing that healthcare is a “right” and universal health
insurance “makes sense.”
Democratic California Rep. Ted Lieu invoked criticism on social media
when he tweeted Oct. 2 that unvaccinated people “engage in riskier
actions that increase health care costs and health care burdens on all
of us,” and in turn “should be the one paying for the increased risk.”
Ted Lieu
@tedlieu
If you are going to engage in riskier actions that increase health care
costs and health care burdens on all of us, then you should be the one
paying for the increased risk.
Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
Ochsner Health, Louisiana's largest healthcare provider, will raise
health insurance premiums for employees whose spouses or domestic
partners covered under its benefits plan are not vaccinated against
COVID. https://bit.ly/39WT1lI
6:59 PM · Oct 2, 2021
8.8K
See the latest COVID-19 information on Twitter
Lieu, a supporter of Medicare for All, appears to be contradicting a
basic premise of universal healthcare. The New Republic, a liberal
outlet, noted in an article opposing additional financial costs on
unvaccinated people that under a universal healthcare system,
“individual health care use shouldn’t determine how much anyone pays
into the system.” (RELATED: Progressives Applaud Alabama Doctor Who
Refuses To Treat Patients Unvaccinated Against COVID-19)
Some critics have compared penalties for unvaccinated patients,
including denying them treatment altogether, to targeting patients with
health conditions such as obesity, a group that almost certainly would
use more healthcare services.
The relationship between health conditions like COVID-19 and obesity are
not unfounded, as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)
concluded in a March study that 78% of people hospitalized due to
COVID-19 were overweight or obese.
Lieu’s office did not comment at the time of publication to a request
from the Daily Caller. His office didn’t respond to questions about the
Body Mass Index (BMI) sliding scale and whether financial costs for the
unvaccinated is comparable to similar costs for obese people.
As supporters of universal healthcare begin to turn on unvaccinated
people, companies and health insurance providers are also moving forward
with plans to impose insurance surcharges and other financial costs.
Delta Airlines announced in late August that unvaccinated employees will
face a $200 premium surcharge per month on their health insurance.
Airlines have been among the most aggressive companies in targeting
unvaccinated employees.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
Open Menu
To what extent, if at all, are you concerned about the effectiveness of
your vaccination diminishing over time?
To what extent, if at all, are you concerned about the effectiveness of
your vaccination diminishing over time?
Very concerned
Somewhat concerned
Not at all concerned
Other / No opinion
NEXT
In a memo to employees, Delta CEO Ed Bastian said the surcharge “will be
necessary to address the financial risk the decision to not vaccinate is
creating for our company.”
VICTORVILLE, CA - MARCH 24: A Delta Air Lines jet taxis to be parked
with a growing number of jets at Southern California Logistics Airport
(SCLA) on March 24, 2020 in Victorville, California. As the coronavirus
pandemic grows, exponentially increasing travel restrictions and the
numbers of people in quarantine, airlines around the world are
scrambling to find places to park a majority of their fleet as they wait
to see how the situation will play out. (Photo by David McNew/Getty Images)
A Delta Air Lines jet taxis to be parked with a growing number of jets
at Southern California Logistics Airport (SCLA) on March 24, 2020 in
Victorville, California (David McNew/Getty Images)
Ochsner Health, the largest healthcare provider in Louisiana, announced
earlier in October that employees will be charged a $200 premium
surcharge per month if a spouse or partner covered under an Ochsner plan
is unvaccinated, The Times-Picayune reported.
JPMorgan Chase announced Monday that unvaccinated employees will not
only be required to pay higher payroll contributions next year for
health insurance, but will also be banned from business travel, Reuters
reported.
At the onset of the pandemic, most private insurance providers waived
cost-sharing for patients under their plans. Around 88% of insured
people in November 2020 had their out-of-pocket costs waived if they
were hospitalized for COVID-19, according to the Kaiser Family
Foundation (KFF).
But vaccines have become more easily available in recent months, and
more than 70% of insurance providers in turn no longer waive
out-of-pocket costs for COVID-19 treatment, the KFF concluded.
Companies and insurance providers are likely willing to place additional
financial costs on unvaccinated people because much of the cost for
COVID-19 treatment comes from that group. A CDC report in August found
that the hospitalization rate of unvaccinated people infected with
COVID-19 is 29 times that of vaccinated people. (RELATED: ‘The Only
Pandemic We Have Is Among The Unvaccinated’: Biden Says Facebook
Misinformation Is ‘Killing People’)
Experts believe insurance surcharges and other costs could become a more
common tool in limiting financial risks for companies and insurance
providers, as well as incentivizing people to get the vaccine.
HOLLYWOOD, FLORIDA - AUGUST 07: Lisa Taylor receives a COVID-19
vaccination from RN Jose Muniz as she takes part in a vaccine study at
Research Centers of America on August 07, 2020 in Hollywood, Florida.
Research Centers of America is currently conducting COVID-19 vaccine
trials, implemented under the federal government's Operation Warp Speed
program. The center is recruiting volunteers to participate in the
clinical trials, working with the Federal Government and major
Pharmaceutical Companies, that are racing to develop a vaccine to
potentially prevent COVID-19. (Photo by Joe Raedle/Getty Images)
Lisa Taylor receives a COVID-19 vaccine on August 07, 2020 in Hollywood,
Florida (Joe Raedle/Getty Images)
“Now that COVID-19 is largely preventable for most adults and employers
are pushing people really hard to get vaccinated, it makes a lot less
sense for those employers to be giving people who do get infected a
break,” said KFF Health Care Marketplace director Matthew Rae.
Some experts also dismissed criticism that financial costs for the
unvaccinated are similar to charging more for people with obesity or
other underlying health conditions.
“Your chronic illness isn’t going to jump to the person in the next
cubicle,” said Kenneth Campbell, an assistant professor at the Tulane
School of Public Health and Tropical Medicine.
“This is a wakeup call for people to get vaccinated,” he continued.
“We’re talking about bad decisions in terms of not getting vaccinated
and these are the consequences.”
Polling data indicates Americans are split on whether companies and
insurance providers should be able to charge unvaccinated people more in
health insurance premiums in order to cover for potential associated
medical costs from contracting COVID-19.
In a Harris poll conducted in August, 51% of respondents said they
oppose charging unvaccinated people more compared to 49% who said they
support the idea. Among those polled, 61% of vaccinated respondents said
they support the idea while 27% of unvaccinated respondents said the same.
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HeartDoc Andrew
Oct 11, 2021, 11:54:22 AM10/11/21
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>VARUN HUKERI
>GENERAL ASSIGNMENT & ANALYSIS REPORTER
>October 08, 2021
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>ANALYSIS: Universal Health Care Advocates Turn On The Unvaccinated
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>VARUN HUKERI
>GENERAL ASSIGNMENT & ANALYSIS REPORTER
>October 08, 2021
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the U.S. & elsewhere is by rapidly ( http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 )
finding out at any given moment, including even while on-line, who
among us are unwittingly contagious (i.e pre-symptomatic or
asymptomatic) in order to http://bit.ly/convince_it_forward (John
15:12) for them to call their doctor and self-quarantine per their
doctor in hopes of stopping this pandemic. Thus, we're hoping for the
best while preparing for the worse-case scenario of the Alpha lineage
mutations and others like the Gamma, Beta, Epsilon, Iota, Lambda, Mu &
Delta lineage mutations combining to form hybrids that render current
COVID vaccines/pills no longer effective.
Indeed, I am wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 )
and hope you, Michael, also have a healthy appetite too.
So how are you ?
...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,
HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://HeartMDPhD.com/EternalMedicalLicense
2024 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Michael Ejercito
Oct 12, 2021, 11:02:45 AM10/12/21
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Michael
HeartDoc Andrew
Oct 12, 2021, 12:00:52 PM10/12/21
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MichaelE wrote:
While wonderfully hungry in the Holy Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy
8:3) us to hunger, I note that you, Michael, not only don't have
COVID-19 but are rapture (Luke 17:37) ready and pray (2 Chronicles
7:14) that our Everlasting (Isaiah 9:6) Father in Heaven continues to
give us "much more" (Luke 11:13) Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23) so
that we'd have much more of His Help to always say/write that we're
"wonderfully hungry" in **all** ways including especially caring to
http://bit.ly/convince_it_forward (John 15:12 as shown by
http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 ) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD (aka HaShem, Elohim, Abba, DEO), in
the name (John 16:23) of LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO !
Suggested further reading:
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/5EWtT4CwCOg/m/QjNF57xRBAAJ
Shorter link:
http://bit.ly/StatCOVID-19Test
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all
glory ( http://HeartMDPhD.com/Psalm117_ ) to GOD, Who causes us to
hunger (Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a)
thereby removing the http://HeartMDPhD.com/VAT from around the heart
8:3) us to hunger, I note that you, Michael, not only don't have
COVID-19 but are rapture (Luke 17:37) ready and pray (2 Chronicles
7:14) that our Everlasting (Isaiah 9:6) Father in Heaven continues to
give us "much more" (Luke 11:13) Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23) so
that we'd have much more of His Help to always say/write that we're
"wonderfully hungry" in **all** ways including especially caring to
http://bit.ly/convince_it_forward (John 15:12 as shown by
http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 ) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD (aka HaShem, Elohim, Abba, DEO), in
the name (John 16:23) of LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO !
Suggested further reading:
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/5EWtT4CwCOg/m/QjNF57xRBAAJ
Shorter link:
http://bit.ly/StatCOVID-19Test
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all
glory ( http://HeartMDPhD.com/Psalm117_ ) to GOD, Who causes us to
hunger (Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a)
thereby removing the http://HeartMDPhD.com/VAT from around the heart
Loose Cannon
Oct 15, 2021, 3:40:01 PM10/15/21
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On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 07:48:40 -0700, Michael Ejercito
<MEje...@HotMail.com> wrote:
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>ANALYSIS: Universal Health Care Advocates Turn On The Unvaccinated
>US-HEALTH-VIRUS-VACCINE-BOOSTER
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>VARUN HUKERI
>GENERAL ASSIGNMENT & ANALYSIS REPORTER
>October 08, 2021
>9:30 PM ET
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>The financial cost of remaining unvaccinated ?against COVID-19 is rising
<MEje...@HotMail.com> wrote:
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>ANALYSIS: Universal Health Care Advocates Turn On The Unvaccinated
>US-HEALTH-VIRUS-VACCINE-BOOSTER
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>VARUN HUKERI
>GENERAL ASSIGNMENT & ANALYSIS REPORTER
>October 08, 2021
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be eradicated until all gooks are driven from our shores. Go back to
Manila, and take that charlatan Chung with you.
HeartDoc Andrew
Oct 15, 2021, 5:00:06 PM10/15/21
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(Varun) 10/15/21 "Loose NEMO" tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/4tIJn_I167w/m/bKWQRUarAgAJ
Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ
"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."
Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:
(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI%5B1-25%5D
(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M
(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM
(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM
(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ
... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ
Laus DEO !
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO ! ! !
Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ
<begin trichotomy>
(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).
(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.
(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.
<end trichotomy>
Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com
+++
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD wrote:
> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>> Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
>Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.
The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
>He is trying to pull a fast one. His scripture bit is found among these:
>
>'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.
That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."
Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.
Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.
It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."
No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."
Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.
All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.
Laus DEO !
+++
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
>Psalms
>81:10 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt:
>open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.
Laus DEO !
>Proverbs
>13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
>the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
>Joel
>2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
>the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
>people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.
Laus DEO ! !
>Psalms
>107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
>Acts
>14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
>giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
>your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ
+++
> someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
>> Does andrew's "definition" agree with scripture? Let's see in 1 John:
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
>> John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
>> status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
>> 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
>> not in us.
>>
>> 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
>> and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
>>
>> 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
>> not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:
"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)
And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.
Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO ! ! !
Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.
Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:
http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html
Again, this is done ...
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/4tIJn_I167w/m/bKWQRUarAgAJ
Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ
"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."
Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:
(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI%5B1-25%5D
(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M
(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM
(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM
(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ
... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ
Laus DEO !
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO ! ! !
Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ
<begin trichotomy>
(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).
(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.
(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.
<end trichotomy>
Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com
+++
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD wrote:
> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
>Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.
The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
>He is trying to pull a fast one. His scripture bit is found among these:
>
>'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.
That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."
Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.
Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.
It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."
No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."
Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.
All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.
Laus DEO !
+++
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
>Psalms
>81:10 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt:
>open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.
Laus DEO !
>Proverbs
>13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
>the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
>Joel
>2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
>the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
>people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.
Laus DEO ! !
>Psalms
>107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
>Acts
>14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
>giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
>your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ
+++
> someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
>> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>> Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
>>
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
>> Does andrew's "definition" agree with scripture? Let's see in 1 John:
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
>> John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
>> status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
>> 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
>> not in us.
>>
>> 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
>> and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
>>
>> 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
>> not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:
"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)
And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.
Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO ! ! !
Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.
Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:
http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html
Again, this is done ...
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