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Michael Ejercito
Jan 23, 2022, 10:13:54 PM1/23/22
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The Pandemic Post I Never Wrote
JANUARY 23, 2022 / JACK MARSHALL
[This post is dedicated to Michael Ejercito.]
For months, veteran prolific Ethics Alarms commenter Michael Ejercito
peppered the blog with various versions of the same question: “When are
you going to finish “The Pandemic Creates a Classic and Difficult Ethics
Conflict…”? He was referring to this post, which went up way back in May
of 2020. The rest of the title was “…But The Resolution Is Clear.” It
was designated as Part I, with a Part II supposedly coming soon that
would explain what that resolution was and why. It never arrived.
Stalling, I posted a Prelude to Part II. It was so long and covered so
much territory that I doubt anyone read it all the way to the end
(except Michael). It didn’t inspire a single comment. Here’s a precis...
No, I am not satisfied with the current draft of Part II, but I trust
it’s obvious what the resolution referred to is. The lock-down has to
end, and before vaccines, cures, or adequate medicine are available….It
is quite striking: the arguments for continuing the lockdown
indefinitely are almost entirely authored by progressives, and are
without exception characterized by bad logic, emotionalism, manipulated
facts, biased analysis, fearmongering, and suspect motives. The majority
of the arguments for opening up the economy soon are markedly more
logical, unemotional, and based on sound statistics and analysis…
It is not “plausible” that the pandemic will continue forever; pandemics
don’t. And indeed, if they did, it would be an irrefutable reason to
open up now. Freedom has always had a price…
…As I discussed in Part I, health experts focus almost exclusively on
health. Health is not the only priority involved in the policy
trade-offs involving the lockdown. The health experts don’t care about
the other issues—literally, they don’t care—because it isn’t their job
to care about the economy, or unemployment, or ruined careers and
diminished quality of life. They should care about increased suicides
during depressions, and inadequate preventative health care, and the
deaths those and other consequences of the lockdown will cause, [or]…the
U.S. having a catastrophic expansion of its national debt… !
…Right: nobody knows how it will play out. We do know, however, how it
will play out if we lock down the economy much longer, never mind until
there’s a vaccine…On this 75th Anniversary of V-E Day, it shouldn’t be
hard to understand that lost lives can be acceptable when the most
rational, responsible policies involve unavoidable risk.
But “Part II,” when it arrived six months later, still didn’t deliver
the promised resolution. Except for the (again, long) introduction, in
fact, it was a dud, but a dud that illustrated the problem with the
topic. I wrote about the non-media coverage of a Johns Hopkins study
that seemed to indicate that the despite the daily lists of pandemic
deaths, the total deaths had not varied significantly from the previous
year. As it turned out, the study was flawed, and its conclusions were
not supported, though the Ethics Alarms indictment of the bias and
partisan agenda indicated by the news media’s lack of coverage still
applies.
So what was going to be Part II was then going to be Part III, and again
stalling, I wrote a prelude to that as well. This one was mercifully
short, and endorsed a statement by then President Trump as the Ethics
Quote of the Century. He had said via Twitter in October, “Don’t be
afraid of Covid. Don’t let it dominate your life.” The post concluded,
“President Trump is among the Americans I would view most unlikely to
utter an ethical statement, much less a great one, but this was a great
statement, essential, inspirational, and right. I assume this is
sufficient notice of what the conclusion of Part III will be.”
But there was no Part III, much to Michael’s disappointment and annoyance.
In May of 2020, my conclusion regarding what we should have done about
the pandemic is exactly the same as it is today. The only difference is
that my resolution was politically and logically impossible in May of
2020, and thus not ethical. (What is impossible isn’t ethical, it’s just
ethics static).
We should not have closed the schools. We should not have shut down the
economy. We should not have been subjected to the relentless
fearmongering by the media in its efforts to ensure slavish obedience to
the panicky edicts of power-mad governors, mayors, and CDC officials.
The fact that these measures also had the tertiary salutary side effect
of making it easier to push Donald Trump out of office by blaming him
for the economic and social secondary side effect of them was, no doubt,
considered a bonus.
The United States of America allowed its health experts who had, we now
know, no idea what they were dealing with then and little more now, and
who were driven as much by politics as “science,” force perhaps
permanent damage on all levels of society because it proved impossible
to do otherwise. What made this worse is that it was done in the name of
priorities that reversed those that made the existence of the United
States possible, and that sustained its excellence and success for
centuries.
In my first draft of the Post I Never Wrote, I looked at the risks
undertaken by the founders of the nation—not The Founders but the
ordinary, courageous, sometimes desperate people who settled the land
between the continents. If they had begun with the fearfulness and
aversion to risk of their perpetually terrified descendants who now wear
cloth mask talismans alone in their automobiles, they would have stayed
in Europe. They would have never rebelled against England. They would
have definitely never moved West, an adventure that cost the lives of
20-25% of the families that tried. They would not have fought to keep
the south from seceding. They would not have fought Hitler and Japan;
they would have negotiated for concessions and to Hell with Europe. They
would definitely not have risked nuclear war with the USSR: Better Red
than Dead after all.
In the quest for liberty, which included, they believed, great economic
opportunity, better lives for their children, and strong, unique nation
that celebrated what its citizens could do if left alone to do it, they
took far worse risks than braving a China-bred virus that had a death
rate of less than 1% for those infected beneath the age of 35, and that,
when it did kill, overwhelmingly killed the old, obese and unhealthy.
In 2020 I started listing all of the ways the fear of the Wuhan virus
was ruining almost everything, just as our enemies foreign and domestic
would have wished. I makes me sick to have to feature Bill Maher
approvingly in the video above: he’s the same toxic creep who said on
the same show three years ago that it would be worth destroying the
economy to get rid of Trump. The economy, I guess, but not the supply
chain, art, sports, movies, theater, education, the mental and emotional
health of children, law enforcement, trust in each other, the national
spirit, what remained of the credibility of journalism, support for due
process and the rule of law, and everything else, right, Bill?
There were various studies by economists of the “value” of each human
life in terms of realistic costs that society could responsibly bear,
but in an era when Obama’s “if it saves one life” nonsense is applauded
as compassionate and profound, I decided they were futile to mention.
The course we were taking nauseated me in May, 2020, and I was certain
that it was a tragic, disastrous mistake. I was also certain that my
position would be characterized by many readers as a brutal “let the old
and sick people die” shrug. Would I be willing to set that fate for
myself to avoid the consequences the lockdown has had?, I expected many
to ask, eyebrow raised in skepticism.
And my answer would be “Absolutely.” Of course absolutely. I never had
the opportunity to fight for my country and its values, but my father
did. He and his whole generation put their lives at risk so that his
unborn children and whole unborn generations could experience and
improve upon what our brave ancestors built for us. If I had to die in
the last third of my life so that children could see each other smile
and have the chances I did to grow up learning from face to face
encounters rather than a damn Zoom screen, not to mention feeling that I
had the freedom to succeed or fail without being hobbled by the
government, I would regard it as a price gladly paid. I would shuffle
off this second, if it would undo all the damage cowardice, ignorance,
flawed expertise and abusive power has done to the nation I love.
You don’t believe that? Bite me. It’s true.
Donald Trump doesn’t understand much, but I think he understood how
disastrous the reaction to the virus was and would be. He also knew, I
feel sure, that this was a situation where, in the words of my father’s
favorite obituary,
“He was right, dead right, as he sped along
But he’s just as dead as if he were wrong.”
The news media and Democrats were going to blame every death on him, no
matter what the President did. If he did nothing, if he fought a
lock-down, and impeded the efforts to close schools, which anyone should
have been able to see would cause a chain reaction of unemployment, the
accusation would be that he deliberately let people die. Joe Biden and
others repeatedly claimed that Trump had had the power to stop the
pandemic at our borders, and had “blood on his hands” even while he was
capitulating to Dr, Fauci’s “let’s see what the dart hits” orders and
advice base on “science.” Now Joe Biden, by his own standards, has more
blood on his hands than Trump did.
Condign justice.
And here we are. I’m not a gloom and doom guy, so I’m not inclined to
say all has been lost. But nearly all will be lost if there isn’t a
national realization that we screwed ourselves, our children and future
generations in 2020 far more certainly and unnecessarily than an our
non-response to climate change speculation has or perhaps even will.
When I read that New York’s Democratic Gov. Kathy Hochul compared
children wearing face masks in schools to the requirement that they wear
shoes, I felt like I had seen the Grim Reaper smile
“My daughter had a meltdown about having to put sneakers on to go to
kindergarten,” the governor said yesterday during a press conference
after being asked about a timeline for removing mask mandates in
schools. “She got used to wearing sneakers in school. They adapt better
than adults do.”
This is what we let the virus do to us. I knew that it was the wrong
course, but I also knew, given the erosion and rot in the American
spirit, that no other course was possible.
That’s why I never finished the post, Michael.
I’m sorry.
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The Pandemic Post I Never Wrote
JANUARY 23, 2022 / JACK MARSHALL
[This post is dedicated to Michael Ejercito.]
For months, veteran prolific Ethics Alarms commenter Michael Ejercito
peppered the blog with various versions of the same question: “When are
you going to finish “The Pandemic Creates a Classic and Difficult Ethics
Conflict…”? He was referring to this post, which went up way back in May
of 2020. The rest of the title was “…But The Resolution Is Clear.” It
was designated as Part I, with a Part II supposedly coming soon that
would explain what that resolution was and why. It never arrived.
Stalling, I posted a Prelude to Part II. It was so long and covered so
much territory that I doubt anyone read it all the way to the end
(except Michael). It didn’t inspire a single comment. Here’s a precis...
No, I am not satisfied with the current draft of Part II, but I trust
it’s obvious what the resolution referred to is. The lock-down has to
end, and before vaccines, cures, or adequate medicine are available….It
is quite striking: the arguments for continuing the lockdown
indefinitely are almost entirely authored by progressives, and are
without exception characterized by bad logic, emotionalism, manipulated
facts, biased analysis, fearmongering, and suspect motives. The majority
of the arguments for opening up the economy soon are markedly more
logical, unemotional, and based on sound statistics and analysis…
It is not “plausible” that the pandemic will continue forever; pandemics
don’t. And indeed, if they did, it would be an irrefutable reason to
open up now. Freedom has always had a price…
…As I discussed in Part I, health experts focus almost exclusively on
health. Health is not the only priority involved in the policy
trade-offs involving the lockdown. The health experts don’t care about
the other issues—literally, they don’t care—because it isn’t their job
to care about the economy, or unemployment, or ruined careers and
diminished quality of life. They should care about increased suicides
during depressions, and inadequate preventative health care, and the
deaths those and other consequences of the lockdown will cause, [or]…the
U.S. having a catastrophic expansion of its national debt… !
…Right: nobody knows how it will play out. We do know, however, how it
will play out if we lock down the economy much longer, never mind until
there’s a vaccine…On this 75th Anniversary of V-E Day, it shouldn’t be
hard to understand that lost lives can be acceptable when the most
rational, responsible policies involve unavoidable risk.
But “Part II,” when it arrived six months later, still didn’t deliver
the promised resolution. Except for the (again, long) introduction, in
fact, it was a dud, but a dud that illustrated the problem with the
topic. I wrote about the non-media coverage of a Johns Hopkins study
that seemed to indicate that the despite the daily lists of pandemic
deaths, the total deaths had not varied significantly from the previous
year. As it turned out, the study was flawed, and its conclusions were
not supported, though the Ethics Alarms indictment of the bias and
partisan agenda indicated by the news media’s lack of coverage still
applies.
So what was going to be Part II was then going to be Part III, and again
stalling, I wrote a prelude to that as well. This one was mercifully
short, and endorsed a statement by then President Trump as the Ethics
Quote of the Century. He had said via Twitter in October, “Don’t be
afraid of Covid. Don’t let it dominate your life.” The post concluded,
“President Trump is among the Americans I would view most unlikely to
utter an ethical statement, much less a great one, but this was a great
statement, essential, inspirational, and right. I assume this is
sufficient notice of what the conclusion of Part III will be.”
But there was no Part III, much to Michael’s disappointment and annoyance.
In May of 2020, my conclusion regarding what we should have done about
the pandemic is exactly the same as it is today. The only difference is
that my resolution was politically and logically impossible in May of
2020, and thus not ethical. (What is impossible isn’t ethical, it’s just
ethics static).
We should not have closed the schools. We should not have shut down the
economy. We should not have been subjected to the relentless
fearmongering by the media in its efforts to ensure slavish obedience to
the panicky edicts of power-mad governors, mayors, and CDC officials.
The fact that these measures also had the tertiary salutary side effect
of making it easier to push Donald Trump out of office by blaming him
for the economic and social secondary side effect of them was, no doubt,
considered a bonus.
The United States of America allowed its health experts who had, we now
know, no idea what they were dealing with then and little more now, and
who were driven as much by politics as “science,” force perhaps
permanent damage on all levels of society because it proved impossible
to do otherwise. What made this worse is that it was done in the name of
priorities that reversed those that made the existence of the United
States possible, and that sustained its excellence and success for
centuries.
In my first draft of the Post I Never Wrote, I looked at the risks
undertaken by the founders of the nation—not The Founders but the
ordinary, courageous, sometimes desperate people who settled the land
between the continents. If they had begun with the fearfulness and
aversion to risk of their perpetually terrified descendants who now wear
cloth mask talismans alone in their automobiles, they would have stayed
in Europe. They would have never rebelled against England. They would
have definitely never moved West, an adventure that cost the lives of
20-25% of the families that tried. They would not have fought to keep
the south from seceding. They would not have fought Hitler and Japan;
they would have negotiated for concessions and to Hell with Europe. They
would definitely not have risked nuclear war with the USSR: Better Red
than Dead after all.
In the quest for liberty, which included, they believed, great economic
opportunity, better lives for their children, and strong, unique nation
that celebrated what its citizens could do if left alone to do it, they
took far worse risks than braving a China-bred virus that had a death
rate of less than 1% for those infected beneath the age of 35, and that,
when it did kill, overwhelmingly killed the old, obese and unhealthy.
In 2020 I started listing all of the ways the fear of the Wuhan virus
was ruining almost everything, just as our enemies foreign and domestic
would have wished. I makes me sick to have to feature Bill Maher
approvingly in the video above: he’s the same toxic creep who said on
the same show three years ago that it would be worth destroying the
economy to get rid of Trump. The economy, I guess, but not the supply
chain, art, sports, movies, theater, education, the mental and emotional
health of children, law enforcement, trust in each other, the national
spirit, what remained of the credibility of journalism, support for due
process and the rule of law, and everything else, right, Bill?
There were various studies by economists of the “value” of each human
life in terms of realistic costs that society could responsibly bear,
but in an era when Obama’s “if it saves one life” nonsense is applauded
as compassionate and profound, I decided they were futile to mention.
The course we were taking nauseated me in May, 2020, and I was certain
that it was a tragic, disastrous mistake. I was also certain that my
position would be characterized by many readers as a brutal “let the old
and sick people die” shrug. Would I be willing to set that fate for
myself to avoid the consequences the lockdown has had?, I expected many
to ask, eyebrow raised in skepticism.
And my answer would be “Absolutely.” Of course absolutely. I never had
the opportunity to fight for my country and its values, but my father
did. He and his whole generation put their lives at risk so that his
unborn children and whole unborn generations could experience and
improve upon what our brave ancestors built for us. If I had to die in
the last third of my life so that children could see each other smile
and have the chances I did to grow up learning from face to face
encounters rather than a damn Zoom screen, not to mention feeling that I
had the freedom to succeed or fail without being hobbled by the
government, I would regard it as a price gladly paid. I would shuffle
off this second, if it would undo all the damage cowardice, ignorance,
flawed expertise and abusive power has done to the nation I love.
You don’t believe that? Bite me. It’s true.
Donald Trump doesn’t understand much, but I think he understood how
disastrous the reaction to the virus was and would be. He also knew, I
feel sure, that this was a situation where, in the words of my father’s
favorite obituary,
“He was right, dead right, as he sped along
But he’s just as dead as if he were wrong.”
The news media and Democrats were going to blame every death on him, no
matter what the President did. If he did nothing, if he fought a
lock-down, and impeded the efforts to close schools, which anyone should
have been able to see would cause a chain reaction of unemployment, the
accusation would be that he deliberately let people die. Joe Biden and
others repeatedly claimed that Trump had had the power to stop the
pandemic at our borders, and had “blood on his hands” even while he was
capitulating to Dr, Fauci’s “let’s see what the dart hits” orders and
advice base on “science.” Now Joe Biden, by his own standards, has more
blood on his hands than Trump did.
Condign justice.
And here we are. I’m not a gloom and doom guy, so I’m not inclined to
say all has been lost. But nearly all will be lost if there isn’t a
national realization that we screwed ourselves, our children and future
generations in 2020 far more certainly and unnecessarily than an our
non-response to climate change speculation has or perhaps even will.
When I read that New York’s Democratic Gov. Kathy Hochul compared
children wearing face masks in schools to the requirement that they wear
shoes, I felt like I had seen the Grim Reaper smile
“My daughter had a meltdown about having to put sneakers on to go to
kindergarten,” the governor said yesterday during a press conference
after being asked about a timeline for removing mask mandates in
schools. “She got used to wearing sneakers in school. They adapt better
than adults do.”
This is what we let the virus do to us. I knew that it was the wrong
course, but I also knew, given the erosion and rot in the American
spirit, that no other course was possible.
That’s why I never finished the post, Michael.
I’m sorry.
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HeartDoc Andrew
Jan 23, 2022, 10:35:59 PM1/23/22
to
New York & elsewhere is by rapidly ( http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 )
finding out at any given moment, including even while on-line, who
among us are unwittingly contagious (i.e pre-symptomatic or
asymptomatic) in order to http://bit.ly/convince_it_forward (John
15:12) for them to call their doctor and self-quarantine per their
doctor in hopes of stopping this pandemic. Thus, we're hoping for the
best while preparing for the worse-case scenario of the Alpha lineage
mutations and others like the Omicron, Gamma, Beta, Epsilon, Iota,
Lambda, Mu & Delta lineage mutations combining via
slip-RNA-replication to form hybrids that render current COVID
vaccines/monoclonals/medicines/pills no longer effective.
Indeed, I am wonderfully hungry ( http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest
) and hope you, Michael, also have a healthy appetite too.
So how are you ?
...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,
HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2024 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://WonderfullyHungry.org
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Michael Ejercito
Jan 23, 2022, 10:48:46 PM1/23/22
to
Michael
HeartDoc Andrew
Jan 23, 2022, 10:59:57 PM1/23/22
to
Michael Ejercito wrote:
While wonderfully hungry in the Holy Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy
8:3) us to hunger, I note that you, Michael, are rapture ready (Luke
17:37 means no COVID just as circling eagles don't have COVID) and
pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that our Everlasting (Isaiah 9:6) Father in
Heaven continues to give us "much more" (Luke 11:13) Holy Spirit
(Galatians 5:22-23) so that we'd have much more of His Help to always
say/write that we're "wonderfully hungry" in **all** ways including
especially caring to http://tinyurl.com/ConvinceItForward (John 15:12
as shown by http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 ) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD (aka HaShem, Elohim, Abba, DEO), in
the name (John 16:23) of LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO !
Suggested further reading:
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/5EWtT4CwCOg/m/QjNF57xRBAAJ
Shorter link:
http://bit.ly/StatCOVID-19Test
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew touts hunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory
( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger
(Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby
removing the http://tinyurl.com/HeartVAT from around the heart
8:3) us to hunger, I note that you, Michael, are rapture ready (Luke
17:37 means no COVID just as circling eagles don't have COVID) and
pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that our Everlasting (Isaiah 9:6) Father in
Heaven continues to give us "much more" (Luke 11:13) Holy Spirit
(Galatians 5:22-23) so that we'd have much more of His Help to always
say/write that we're "wonderfully hungry" in **all** ways including
especially caring to http://tinyurl.com/ConvinceItForward (John 15:12
as shown by http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 ) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD (aka HaShem, Elohim, Abba, DEO), in
the name (John 16:23) of LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO !
Suggested further reading:
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/5EWtT4CwCOg/m/QjNF57xRBAAJ
Shorter link:
http://bit.ly/StatCOVID-19Test
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew touts hunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory
( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger
(Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby
removing the http://tinyurl.com/HeartVAT from around the heart
Dexter
Jan 24, 2022, 11:47:56 AM1/24/22
to
Michael Ejercito wrote:
--------|snip|----------
-----------------------------
TL;DNR
--
"The Christian god can easily be pictured as
virtually the same god as the many ancient
gods of past civilizations. The Christian god
is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and
capricious. If one wishes to know more of this
raging, three headed beast-like god, one only
needs to look at the caliber of people who say
they serve him. They are always of two classes:
fools and hypocrites."
- Thomas Jefferson
--------|snip|----------
-----------------------------
TL;DNR
--
"The Christian god can easily be pictured as
virtually the same god as the many ancient
gods of past civilizations. The Christian god
is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and
capricious. If one wishes to know more of this
raging, three headed beast-like god, one only
needs to look at the caliber of people who say
they serve him. They are always of two classes:
fools and hypocrites."
- Thomas Jefferson
HeartDoc Andrew
Jan 24, 2022, 12:25:17 PM1/24/22
to
(Kathy) 01/24/22 Dexter tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/XfVbwRPUcpg/m/BDDY6jVFDwAJ
Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ
"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."
Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:
(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/_iVmOb7q3_Q/m/E8L7TNNtAgAJ
(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M
(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM
(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM
(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ
... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ
Laus DEO !
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO ! ! !
Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ
<begin trichotomy>
(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).
(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.
(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.
<end trichotomy>
Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com
+++
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD wrote:
> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>> Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
>Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.
The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
>He is trying to pull a fast one. His scripture bit is found among these:
>
>'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.
That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."
Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.
Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.
It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."
No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."
Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.
All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.
Laus DEO !
+++
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
>Psalms
>81:10 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt:
>open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.
Laus DEO !
>Proverbs
>13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
>the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
>Joel
>2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
>the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
>people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.
Laus DEO ! !
>Psalms
>107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
>Acts
>14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
>giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
>your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ
+++
> someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
>> Does andrew's "definition" agree with scripture? Let's see in 1 John:
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
>> John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
>> status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
>> 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
>> not in us.
>>
>> 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
>> and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
>>
>> 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
>> not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:
"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)
And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.
Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO ! ! !
Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.
Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:
http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html
Again, this is done ...
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/XfVbwRPUcpg/m/BDDY6jVFDwAJ
Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ
"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."
Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:
(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/_iVmOb7q3_Q/m/E8L7TNNtAgAJ
(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M
(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM
(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM
(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ
... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ
Laus DEO !
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO ! ! !
Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ
<begin trichotomy>
(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).
(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.
(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.
<end trichotomy>
Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com
+++
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD wrote:
> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
>Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.
The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
>He is trying to pull a fast one. His scripture bit is found among these:
>
>'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.
That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."
Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.
Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.
It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."
No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."
Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.
All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.
Laus DEO !
+++
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
>Psalms
>81:10 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt:
>open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.
Laus DEO !
>Proverbs
>13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
>the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
>Joel
>2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
>the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
>people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.
Laus DEO ! !
>Psalms
>107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
>Acts
>14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
>giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
>your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ
+++
> someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
>> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>> Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
>>
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
>> Does andrew's "definition" agree with scripture? Let's see in 1 John:
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
>> John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
>> status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
>> 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
>> not in us.
>>
>> 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
>> and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
>>
>> 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
>> not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:
"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)
And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.
Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO ! ! !
Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.
Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:
http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html
Again, this is done ...
Michael Ejercito
Jan 25, 2022, 11:33:11 PM1/25/22
to
HeartDoc Andrew wrote:
> (Kathy) 01/24/22 Dexter tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/XfVbwRPUcpg/m/BDDY6jVFDwAJ
>
> Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ
>
> "Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
> ever more cursed by GOD."
it is so tragic!
> (Kathy) 01/24/22 Dexter tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/XfVbwRPUcpg/m/BDDY6jVFDwAJ
>
> Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ
>
> "Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
> ever more cursed by GOD."
HeartDoc Andrew
Jan 26, 2022, 1:54:31 AM1/26/22
to
Michael Ejercito wrote:
So let us not be a http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32)
Drumpf ( http://bit.ly/W_d_DJT_r ) or else we'll most certainly die a
http://bit.ly/TerriblyStupid (Mark 9:42) death:
http://bit.ly/BiblicalEsau
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>> (Kathy) 01/24/22 Dexter tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/XfVbwRPUcpg/m/BDDY6jVFDwAJ
>>
>> Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ
>>
>> "Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
>> ever more cursed by GOD."
>
> it is so tragic!
They would've been better off had they never been born.
>
>> (Kathy) 01/24/22 Dexter tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/XfVbwRPUcpg/m/BDDY6jVFDwAJ
>>
>> Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ
>>
>> "Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
>> ever more cursed by GOD."
>
> it is so tragic!
So let us not be a http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32)
Drumpf ( http://bit.ly/W_d_DJT_r ) or else we'll most certainly die a
http://bit.ly/TerriblyStupid (Mark 9:42) death:
http://bit.ly/BiblicalEsau
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
Dexter
Jan 27, 2022, 7:27:30 PM1/27/22
to
Michael Ejercito wrote:
> HeartDoc Andrew wrote:
> > (Kathy) 01/24/22 Dexter tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...
> >
> >
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/XfVbwRPUcpg/m/BDDY6jVFDwAJ
> >
> > Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
> >
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ
> >
> > "Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
> > ever more cursed by GOD."
> it is so tragic!
>
>
> Michael
-----------------------------
> HeartDoc Andrew wrote:
> > (Kathy) 01/24/22 Dexter tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...
> >
> >
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/XfVbwRPUcpg/m/BDDY6jVFDwAJ
> >
> > Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
> >
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ
> >
> > "Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
> > ever more cursed by GOD."
> it is so tragic!
>
>
> Michael
I'd celebrate the honor but there's a very low bar to entry..
HeartDoc Andrew
Jan 27, 2022, 8:24:51 PM1/27/22
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(Kathy) 01/27/22 Dexter tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...
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