Re: Obesityg in diabetics
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> I will mention some thing related to diabetes and obesity.
Hunger is only related to diabetes and obesity when someone falsely
believes in the lie that hunger is bad because it indicates
starvation.
For the rest of us, who no longer suffer from the delusion, we see
there is not relationship except that hunger counters type-2 diabetes
and other obesity-related problems.
> If I run our of insulin my body senses that factor as starvation
> and I get very hungry.
Folks suffering from starvation are dying.
Dying people are as a general rule not hungry.
> I know this and look to see if I forgot an
> insulin dose.
You would find out that you did not and if you checked your blood
glucose, it is likely that you would discover, when you a very hungry,
that your blood glucose is in the normal range between 70 - 90 mg/dL.
> Does this factor come into play on T2's?. Does insulin
> resistance result in the same effect.
>
> I do a lot of physical work and I do get very weak. I
> could go in and empty the fridge.
The latter would indicate that you are hungry and that your feeling
very weak is likely arising from the delusion that hunger is bad so
that when you are hungry, you are to feel bad (ie very weak).
> Again is inadequate
> available insulin.
Not if your BG is in the normal range 70 - 90 mg/dL.
> Diabetes does require management and all the knowledge we can find to
> do a good job.
>
> Another issue is "when does a person need injected insulin?"
When there is none being made by a person's pancreas.
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <><
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
This remains the real world and not some text book.
> Do you have any idea how hard it is for some of us to achieve
> "normal" numbers. Low numbers for me is an invitation for
> a 911 run. I do achieve umbers that eliminated most of the
> complications.
Euglycemia is not hypoglycemia.
> i have no natural insulin and I can run out of insulin with very
> normal blood glucose readings,
Those who run out of insulin would as a general rule have elevated
blood glucose readings.
> I have been told for a long time that insulin is required to process
> the glucose so it is available to the cells.
The primary purpose of insulin is to lower blood glucose.
> What I posted is exactly true. I am asking a question.
>
> The question is" is the tendency to overeat related to
> lack of insulin or th3 ability to process it."
The irrational compulsion to overeat arises from the false belief that
hunger is an indication of starvation (ie imminent death).
> My case seems to be very clear because I have NO natural
> insulin. Other T1's might have some inputs.
Without insulin, there would be no hunger because of DKA.
Patsie Hatley
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
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Alan S
On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:46:45 GMT, "Patsie Hatley"
<bogus....@bogus.domain> wrote:
>how dare this man convict anyone when he is such an idiot himself?
How dare you continue to re-post his drivel? Ignore the
twit. As most by now will also be ignoring you. I happened
to be clearing out my killfiles and saw this.
Alan
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >Those who run out of insulin would as a general rule have elevated
> >blood glucose readings.
>
Such elevations typically make us less hungry.
> But this happens when a person goes below the required basal.
Zero would be below the required basal.
> There are cases where yo are still above basal but are still below the
> level where that hunger response kicks in.
Above basal would lead to hypoglycemia.
Right at basal is what is necessary to achieve euglycemia which would
be when we are at our hungriest.
> The hunger response may be a major factor weigh gain.
No such thing as hunger response.
Instead, there is the irrational response of compulsive overeating for
those who suffer from the delusion that they are dying when hungry.
> I suspect that we have the cart ahead of the horse.
What is happening here is mental illness arising from the delusion of
falsely believing that hunger is bad.
> These are amateur suggestions since I do not get paid.
>
> A lot get paid but use assumptions.
>
> People that get paid well have an obligation to go beyond poorly
> done studies.
Wiser to stick with the truth:
Evelyn Ruut
and some even go so far as to killfile those who reply to him, as well.
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Evelyn
"Patsie Hatley" <bogus....@bogus.domain> wrote in message
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Nico Kadel-Garcia
> Patsie, he is the worst kind of a troll. Most people have him
> killfiled, and some even go so far as to killfile those who reply to
> him, as well.
Oh, goodness, he's hardly the *worst* kind. He is consistently idiotic and
identifiable: there are far more subtle beggars who've deliberately targeted
newsgroups for much, much subtler and nastier behavior.
Evelyn Ruut
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Could be.
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Best Regards,
Evelyn
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> > Evelyn Ruut wrote:
> >
> >>I am a type 2 and so is my husband. He was only recently diagnosed,
> >but I
> >>have been saying for months that he was showing all the signs; No
> >energy,
> >>tired all the time, and always hungry like he'd never been before
> >.... even
> >>an hour after eating he was foraging for something. An inordinate
> >>attraction to carby things topped it off.
> >>
> >>Doc just put him on Avandamet. Along with the changes came some
> >weight
> >>gain, of course. Here's a guy who was always on the go, boundless
> >energy,
> >>and would eat at meals and only the occasional snack in between. He
> >never
> >>before had a weight problem of any kind. Now he is ravenous and
> >putting on
> >>weight and having no energy. Absolutely there is some mechanism at
> >work
> >>here.
> >
> >I hear you Evelyn. I think people that haven't experienced it, don't
> >understand the kind of hunger we're talking about. It is not normal
> >hunger. I wish the best for your hubby. Hopefully, with you in his
> >corner, he gets a handle on it quickly.
>
> Guy does know the hunger some people are talking about. Some
> should not eat for three or four days and then they may feel it.
We, who are Jesus' brethren, hear our stomachs whenever GOD blesses us
making us ever hungrier. For this reason, folks around us know we are
hungry all the time.
> That is the reason this posting .
>
> I have no idea if obesity causes diabetes, but I always question
> any idea that becomes too popular.
It is not obesity but overeating that causes type-2 diabetes.
Whether obesity happens with overeating depends on ones body.
> There are many things like emotional or boredom that
> causes trips to the fridge.
Not for those of us who know in our hearts that hunger is wonderful.
> We all know that..
Incorrect. Most of us falsely believe in our hearts that hunger is
bad, that it indicates we are dying from starvation. This drives us
to the irrational compulsion to overeat when hungrier.
> The issue is that we need to find a solution and I put out a
> couple of ideas.
It remains smarter, to eat less down to the right amount:
> I guess there may be a better solution possible Telling
> a person that is "starving" to not eat does not fly.
Actually, a person who is truly starving is not hungry and should not
eat until his/her appetite returns with gradual refeeding.
> BUT there is a need to not eat as much. Answers????.
The 2PD-OMER Approach has worked and continues to work without
failure:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/2PD-OMER
tr...@is-best.com
"Incorrect. Most of us falsely believe in our hearts that hunger is
bad, that it indicates we are dying from starvation. This drives us
to the irrational compulsion to overeat when hungrier."
Incorrect, not only is this internally illogical in its argument but it
is contridicted in medicine and contrary to common sense. It then by
definition becomes "irrational" to hold as valid.
God bless.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> >
> >>There are many things like emotional or boredom that
> >>
> >>The issue is that we need to find a solution and I put out a
> >> couple of ideas.
> >>
> >>a person that is "starving" to not eat does not fly.
> >>
> >
> >to avoid many foods that trigger cravings. In my case, those foods are
> >carb laden foods. I think when someone tries to tell a recently
> >diagnosed diabetic that it's their fault that they have diabetes
> >because they're carrying extra weight, it's not necessarily true at
> >all, and it serves no purpose, other than to pile it on to someone who
> >is already reeling from the diagnosis. Once people find a food plan,
> >get the hunger under control, and generally start to feel better, the
> >pounds start coming off. That usually doesn't happen overnight, but it
> >does happen, especially with support instead of cheap shots.
> >
> I spent so much of my life in the acedamic community where there was
> very hot discussions. They were productive.
>
> Here I do not see enough of that, but personal attacks on individuals.
> What in the hell do these people think they are proving.
>
> Respect others and you will be respected. Other wise, you make a fool
> of your self.
>
> Cheri, I have a lot of respect for you. Your reply was very proper.
> Thank you.
>
> The proposal I made was that obersity may be a result of undiagnosed
> diabetes in some cases.
Not clinically seen.
> Because I have no natural insulin and I have
> on a few occasions developed a severe unexplained hunger
Hunger is from GOD.
"HE humbled you causing you to hunger..." (Deuteronomy 8:3)
Oleg Lego
>how dare this man convict anyone when he is such an idiot himself?
If you really must reply to this dickhead, please be so kind as to
remove the diabetes newsgroups from your crossposted reply.
Thank you.
--
Larry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada.
DX 24 Aug 07. D&E
Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin
Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1
tr...@is-best.com
"Hunger is from GOD.
"HE humbled you causing you to hunger..." (Deuteronomy 8:3)"
And in your case He humbled you using a different approach. The lesson
of humility is one against which you continue to kick.
God bless.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
<~(Luv4Yisroel)~>
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Idioticsatan
Off topic, Andrew.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Idioticsatan
>
> Off topic, Andrew.
Appropriate rebuke for satan.
tr...@is-best.com
tr...@is-best.com
> Off topic, Andrew.
"Appropriate rebuke for satan."
In appropriate and nonresponsive deceptive side step.
Better to eat the right amount and be truthful in all respects.
God bless.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
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> Patsie, he is the worst kind of a troll. Most people have him killfiled,
> and some even go so far as to killfile those who reply to him, as well.
< Chung monkey drivel snipped >
He's not the worst. Just so delusional and moronic that it just seems that
way.
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J666
>
> He's not the worst. Just so delusional and moronic that it just seems that
> way.
>
At least most of his posts are now just a one link link which most
people, who have not kill-filed him, learn are links to more of his
junk
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> I am so glad you have found a way to work with your diabetes. Denial runs
> deep you know..... unfortunately there are many who won't see. But that
> doesn't mean we can't keep trying to help them see. :-)
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