See for yourself:
To understand this, simply surf the link under my name.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/oq5k3
> "For where two or three come together in MY name, there am I with them."
> -- LORD Jesus Christ
>
> See for yourself:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/f3uak
>
> To understand this, simply surf the link under my name.
Spam and more spam...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
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"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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John 14:12-14
12: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that
believeth on me, the works that I do shall he
do also; and greater works than these shall
he do; because I go unto my Father.
13: And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name,
that will I do, that the Father may be glorified
in the Son
14: If ye shall ask any thing in my name,
I will do it.
Mark 11:23-4
For verily I say this unto you, That
whosoever shall say unto this mountain,
Be thou removed, and be thou cast
into the sea; and shall not doubt
in his heart, but shall believe that
those things which he saith shall
come to pass; he shall have whatsoever
he saith. Therefore I say unto you, What
things soever ye desire, when ye pray,
believe ye receive them and ye shall have
them.
Matthew 21:22
And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask
in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
Matthew 18:19-20
Again I say unto you, that if two of you
shall agree on earth as touching anything
that they shall ask, it shall be done for
them of my father which is in heaven. For
where two or three are gathered in my name,
there I am in the midst of them.
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--
"Its the hit dog what yelps."
- Mark Twain
Cheerful Charlie
You are welcome, Frank :-)
All thanks and praises to GOD for making an appearance in our midst as
evident by the listing by Google of the thread participants.
Our LORD and Savior is absolutely amazing :-)
> Grace and Peace in Christ, Frank
Many thanks and praises to GOD for your kind heart, dear Frank.
May GOD continue to bless you and yours today and everyday, in Jesus'
invincible, infinitely powerful, and most holy name.
Amen ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/jq8yo
Since Nixon, this nation has rapidly moved quite far to the
right, taken there mainly by christian right wingers who have
fully supported the GOP, as it has moved right to gain support
of christian right wingers. This started when Nixon played
the racist Southern Strategy card building on civil
rights era resentments by far right Southerners.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/2/23/172743.shtml
The turn towards Christian conservatives accelerated
under Reagan, who skilfully played the religious card and the
religious right joined the GOP-Reagan revolution that still
is a major influence and has given the GOP control of Congress
for years, especially thanks to Newt Gingrich and Trent Lott
who gained control of the Congress, House and Senate in 1995.
So we now have had a essentially a christian-GOP government
for 30 years.
RICHARD M. NIXON - GERALD FORD.
Christian Americans supported incompetent and corrupt
Vietnamese politicians. And a senseless war in Vietnam
that accomplished nothing, run by incompetents.
Nixon instigated awful and murderous policies as the CIA
run program Phoenix program of assassinations and murder.
Supported the secret bombings in Cambodia that killed
an estimated 600,000 innocent Cambodians.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=cambodia
Winked at the invasion of East Timur and parts of New
Guinea by our allies, the Indonesians.
The Indonesians killed 1/3 of the Timurese over several
decades, mass murder, genocide. 168,000 dead.
http://www.yale.edu/gsp/east_timor/unverdict.html
Winked at the Greek far right Junta that overthrew the
Greek government.
Supported the murderous far right Brazilian generals who
overthrew that democratically elected government in Brazil.
Supported the mass murdering Argentinian government and
their terroristic "Dirty War" of torture, mass murder
and disappearances.
Supported the murderous Pinochet of Chile, whom the US
helped overthrow Chile's democratically elected government.
No complaints about Pinochet's tortures and killings are
to be heard from Nixon, Reagan, or later Bush or the GOP
leaders of Senate and House.
http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/chile/index.html
No Christians respected life here. Or freedom. But supported
Nixon heartily despite the horrors we committed in Vietnam
and Cambodia and Chile and winked at support for others
mentioned above.
RONALD REAGAN 1981 - 1989
Throughout his administration Ronald Reagan supported
Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge as the official government
of note in Cambodia and the Khmer Rouge delegation
as the official UN delegation of Cambodia to the UN.
Aid is funneled to the Khmer Rouge including $81 million
dollars, and food and uniforms funneled through aid
organizations. Reagan winked as China rearmed Pol Pot,
and leaned on nations not to send aid to Cambodia despite
the devastation of nearly 1/3 of Cambodia's population
killed by Pol Pots genocidal regime.
Early in his administration Reagan lead the GOP in
support for military aid to the genocidal Rios Montt
of Guatemala, who practiced wholesale torture, rape
and genocide on the Mayan Indians of Guatemala.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/daily/march99/guatemala11.htm
Reagan and the GOP supported the mass murdering ex-Somoza
Guards of Nicaragua.
Reagan and the GOP supported Saddam Hussein of Iraq.
Reagan and the GOP supported the murderous Robert
D'Aubisson of El Salvador, a known far right death
squad leader.
The El Salvadoran government was involved in numerous
murders, and massacres, such as the killing of 400
villagers at a small village called El Mezote, most
of them young women and children.
http://www.usip.org/library/tc/doc/reports/el_salvador/tc_es_03151993_chron1.html
Reagan and the GOP supported Noriega of Panama.
Reagan and the GOP supported a number of murdering
far right extremist guerrilla movements in Africa including
the genocidal RENAMO in Mozambique.
The Christian and religious right heavily supported Reagan
and the GOP despite numerous examples of such evils as
listed above. The leader of the religious right never cared
nor complained, neither did the religious leaders of the
main stream christian denominations.
There was and is no respect for life in American
christianity as these wholesale and repeat failures of
America christianity collectively over 20 years shows.
GEORGE W. BUSH
Bush continued support for the evil dictators above,
including Pinochet, Pol Pot and others. However,
Saddam screwed us and invaded Iraq, mainly because
Bush screwed up and did not warn him to not do so
as Hussein repeatedly threatened to invade Kuwait
for nearly two months and coolly noted Bush's lack
of much response.
Bush did not act in case of genocide by Yugoslavia's
Milosevic, and Bush and the GOP's loud and obnoxious
foot-dragging here allowed Milosevic to kill
hundreds of thousands with near impunity.
The leaders of the GOP, House and Senate, and religious
leaders of the right and mainstream denominations never
cared about any of this.
In the Desert Storm war, Bush allowed the US air
force to bomb Iraq's water and sewer systems and
dams. A war crime as per Geneva conventions and
othere conventions the US signed.
The US placed sanctions on Iraq that made it impossible
to keep their water supplies safe resulting in numerous
deaths that eventually would total over 500,000 dead
Iraqi civilians, mostly children.
Our government coldly calculated that these sanctions would
indeed would cause mass epidemics and mass death, and did
it anyway.
Thomas Nagy, a California college professor used the FOIA
statutes to obtain these documents that were published
in September 2001 in the Progressive Magazine.
http://www.progressive.org/0801issue/nagy0901.html
No Christian leaders of either far right or mainstream
cared nor brought Bush and the GOP leadership of House
and Senate to task for this genocide of innocents.
Clinton:
Under Clinton this policy continued. Again, Christians did
not care. All Christians cared about was Clinton's
don't-ask-don't-tell gays in military policy and Clinton's
sex life and Whitewater. $47 million spent investigating
Whitewater while the Christian right roared with naked hate.
Money spent investigation mass murder in Iraq caused by
our purposeful by our sanctions? $0.
Roars of disprovable from Christian America over these mass
murders? None.
What has 30 years of right winged GOP government and right
winger christianity got us? Mass murder, genocide,
Nothing but callousness, disregard for human life,
a near total moral failure of religion, Christianity,
GOP and the American right.
Not once did religious christian Americans, either
leadership or rank and file ever find any of these
evils unacceptable or punish any who supported any
of this. Not the christian right nor leaders of
major US religious denominations.
Most GOP House and Senate members were people who
did these things claimed to be christians. Not one
cares, not a christian cares they did not care or act.
Many of those who presided over these massive moral
failures still hold office in the US Congress and
Senate, leaders and ran and file. Almost all claim
to be christians.
30 years of failure. 30 years of support for
far right genocidal bastards, mass murderers,
and evil.
Christians posture as moral, American christians have
a very bad track records when it comes to morality, they
will happily support any genocidal monster as long as he's
a right winger, and right winger politicians support
that monster no matter how murderous or genocidal he
and his evil regime is.
(End)
Christianity is evil
>"For where two or three come together in MY name, there am I with them."
>-- LORD Jesus Christ
"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his
wife and children, his brothers and sisters-yes, even his own life-he
cannot be my disciple."
-Jesus, Luke 14:26
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -2473 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush fuck up my country: Worthless
-----
"Ahhhhhh, yessssssss, ummmmmmm - Alito, Alito, Alito"
-duke (duck...@cox.net), aka PedophilEarl J Weber, 59
year old mateless, heirless biological failure
of Afton Oaks Apartment, Baton Rouge,who pussied
out of the Vietnam draft, showing his gay side
despite his avowed anti-gay bigotry
Contact duke's priest and ask
him why duke is such a racist:
http://www.stpatrickbr.org/
Father Gerard "Jerry" Martin
stpatrickbr<AT>bellsouth<DOT>net
Saint Patrick Catholic Church
12424 Brogdon Lane
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70816
Oh, *that's* the problem! Ol' Earthquack's doing it backwards! He's
supposed to to hate *them*, not the other way around!
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
>
>Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting Ass wrote:
>> On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 21:27:51 -0400, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>>
>> >"For where two or three come together in MY name, there am I with them."
>> >-- LORD Jesus Christ
>>
>>
>> "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his
>> wife and children, his brothers and sisters-yes, even his own life-he
>> cannot be my disciple."
>> -Jesus, Luke 14:26
>
>Oh, *that's* the problem! Ol' Earthquack's doing it backwards! He's
>supposed to to hate *them*, not the other way around!
Earthquack, the passive-aggresive loser.
A personal relationship with Christ is not evil.
> ***********************************************************
> The Failure of Christianity in America
> W. C . Bar well 3-8-05
> ***********************************************************
A failed relationship with Christ is no longer Christianity.
To understand this, simply surf the link under my name.
Still praying for your feeble soul, dear William.
> wbarwell wrote:
>>
>> Christianity is evil
>
> A personal relationship with Christ is not evil.
Christ is dead, and Christians are evil.
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The Failure of Christianity in America
W. C . Bar well 3-8-05
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Since Nixon, this nation has rapidly moved quite far to the
Matthew 18:20 ? Gee, he's a bit late getting in, I though he would have arrived by 14:20 at least...
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
As big as the Magna Carta was, it was carted by 12:15 and Matthew *had*
to be earlier than that. I think Andrew Chump has it wrong again.
Budikka
Sockpuppets don't count
> "For where two or three come together in MY name, there am I with them."
> -- LORD Jesus Christ
Like at Jonestown with the purple koolaid, or at Wako with the pedophile
disciple.
Or in the Catholic church, over the centuries, with pedophilia and
institutional coverup.... the hand of false gods be upon you...
People like chung are a bunch of sick little troublemakers.
If that were true, someone would be able to produce either HIS remains
or point to where HE is buried or at least refute the provided proof:
> and Christians are evil.
Those who rebel against GOD are evil just as satan is evil.
To understand this, simply surf the link under my name.
Still praying for your pitiful soul, dear William.
>
> Still praying for your pitiful soul, dear William.
As Chung becomes increasingly insulting ... is he finally ready to crack?
Your starting to believe in the existence of souls is a encouraging
change.
Such is the power of prayer.
> is he finally ready to crack?
The LORD continues to keep me completely well.
Many thanks to GOD for your concern.
Still praying for your poor soul, dear Al.
> If that were true, someone would be able to produce either HIS remains
> or point to where HE is buried or at least refute the provided proof:
So, are you saying Jimmy Hoffa ISN'T dead?
Walking with Christ guarantees worldly strife while the prince of this
world still wanders about to and fro. There is no need to fret,
however, because our Shepherd gives us HIS peace which passes all
worldly understanding.
It is written that Christ has not come to this world to bring peace to
this world but a sword. We fight with truth and faith as the salt and
light in this world until HIS kingdom here on earth is completely
established and satan is overthrown. This fight comprises of keeping
GOD's offer of salvation on the table everywhere for the unsaved to
seize at a moment's notice possibly at the very last moment which may
be upon us very soon. Be ready to bear witness to their confessing
that Jesus Christ is "KING of kings and LORD of lords."
> Please check your posts to make sure someone has not surrepetitously added a
> crosspost that will only suceed in filling the NG's up with garbage.
What comes from the unsaved is not garbage but the cries of enslaved
souls. May GOD help us perservere to the very end when their bonds are
loosed before HIS day of judgement, in Jesus' most precious and holy
name.
Amen.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/jq8yo
No.
Perhaps in a few days, what is plainly written will sink in for you.
To possibly help you understand this, surf the link under my name.
Still praying for your poor soul, dear Scott.
*********************************************
Miracles. The bible promises we can work big
miracles. One either can or one cannot. No one
can.
Why?
1. Either the bible is untrue and the writers who
put these promises in the mouth of Jesus were
liars and idle tellers of tall tales, and
pious frauds.
or...
2. These promises are true and only real
Christians can work great miracles as promised
and those who can work no miracles are not
real Christians. Faux Christians at best.
True Christians are obviously extremely rare
at best
But if #2, then we should ignore all those who
cannot do miracles because they are obviously not
real Christians and can at best mislead us and
at best make us as one of them, false Christians,
probably damned if Matthew 7 is true. They can at
best teach us to become pseudo-Christians unable
to work miracles as they who cannot themselves
work miracles. They have nothing to teach us.
We then should as the only intelligent thing to
do, pay attention only to real Christians, those
who can as per Jesus's words, work great and
obvious miracles. Therefore, It is logical to pay
no attention to any self proclaimed Christian who
cannot work large, obvious miracles.
If no such Great miracle working Christians
exist, its most likely that #1 is true, the bible
lies, anonymous fools wrote stupid falsehoods.
So from now on, Christians, if you can't work the
promised big miracles, shut up. You have no right
to speak. You are not really a Christian. If you
cannot work the great miracles as promised, and
cannot point to those who demonstrably can now,
nothing you say is of value.
THE BIG MIRACLE PROMISES OF THE BIBLE
THE WORDS OF JESUS.
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Not only is it written in the Holy Bible that GOD promises HIS faithful
people the power of the Holy Spirit to perform miracles, there are
accounts of numerous miracles performed by Jesus' disciples and
apostles.
Indeed one such big miracle has occurred recently even here within
these usenet newsgroups:
Simply witness that the Google archives indicate that the LORD has been
present among 4 of HIS faithful followers who have gathered in HIS name
and that HIS message is beyond the capacity of Google to contain.
LORD GOD Almighty is simply awesome !
All praises and glory belong to HIM now and forever !
Still praying for your enslaved soul, dear William.
Hmm. Matthew 1820, MC 1215. Sounds like Matt advances to the playoffs!
Can I go to the bar and watch it on TV?
No.
Simply walking along with Christ.
You will be in my prayers, dear Fred.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/hsada
THE BIBLE, CHRISTIANS, AND MIRACLES
- AN ATHEIST MANIFESTO
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Miracles. The bible promises we can work big
Correct.
The miracles come from LORD Jesus Christ.
"In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, walk." -- Simon Peter (Acts
3:6b)
To understand this, simply surf the link under my name.
Still praying for your enslaved soul, dear William.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/hsada
I'm still an Atheist, your prayers for my conversion don't work.
*********************************************
Miracles. The bible promises we can work big
Sorry these posts continue to bother you so terribly. Please forgive
all my iniquities.
> We only listen to true christians.
Many thanks and praises to GOD that your reading this indicates that
you know that I am a true born-again Christian.
> I'm still an Atheist, your prayers for my conversion don't work.
If I asked GOD in Christ's name for your conversion into a puppet
without either free will or soul, it would no doubt happen.
Thank GOD, therefore, that I continue to pray for the salvation through
faith of your enslaved soul rather than its annihilation, dear William.
It remains my hope that you someday choose to place your faith in LORD
Jesus Christ and thereby receive HIS salvation.
Non sequitur.
> > We only listen to true christians.
>
> Many thanks and praises to GOD that your reading this indicates that
> you know that I am a true born-again Christian.
Non sequitur.
> > I'm still an Atheist, your prayers for my conversion don't work.
>
> If I asked GOD in Christ's name for your conversion into a puppet
> without either free will or soul, it would no doubt happen.
Then you don't know if your prayers are working at all, do you? Which
means you're lying when you claim they are.
> Thank GOD, therefore, that I continue to pray for the salvation through
> faith of your enslaved soul rather than its annihilation, dear William.
And you refuse to do so in your closet like your lord commands why?
> It remains my hope that you someday choose to place your faith in LORD
> Jesus Christ and thereby receive HIS salvation.
And you have to keep telling everybody that why>
Circular reasoning.
> Indeed one such big miracle has occurred recently even here within
> these usenet newsgroups:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/f3uak
There's nothing there, andy.
> Simply witness that the Google archives indicate that the LORD has been
> present among 4 of HIS faithful followers who have gathered in HIS name
> and that HIS message is beyond the capacity of Google to contain.
Unsupported assertions.
Yes. "If that were true, someone would be able to produce either HIS
remains or point to where HE is buried or at least refute the provided
proof:" According to your logic, since no remains or evidence can be
provided, he isn't dead. Congratulations.
Lying is a sin.
> Such is the power of prayer.
Unsupported assertion.
> > is he finally ready to crack?
>
> The LORD continues to keep me completely well.
Contradicted by evidence.
Therefore, any instance where remains can't be produced indicates the
person in question is still alive, regardless the circumstances.
Bravo, Andy.
> > and Christians are evil.
>
> Those who rebel against GOD are evil just as satan is evil.
Rejecting unsupported assertions is neither rebellious nor evil.
SUCK A COCK FOR CHRIST!
>
> Simply walking along with Christ.
Bullshit.
You're a phony even as a xian.
If I'm wrong, go to Darfur or some such place, where MD's are desparately
needed.
"life is hell"
Not for those who have chosen to walk with Christ.
"We are simply passing through on HIS Way to heaven."
"Prepare the way for the LORD..."
The invitation is still open for you.
Do you really want to end up under satan who enjoys driving folks like
Kurt, Al, JessHC, SkumTaht, Flying Rat, Barry, tunder, William et al to
their profane behavior?
Still praying for you, dear liaM.
>Many thanks and praises to GOD that your reading this indicates that
>you know that I am a true born-again Christian.
You're an MD/PhD and you write 'your' instead of 'you are' or
'you're'?
YOUR DUMB!
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
You just don't want to walk with him anywhere dangerous or lacking the
conveniences.
What a phony.
Uh, Steve... Chung's right, for once...horrible phrasing, but correct
usage.
SUCK A COCK FOR CHRIST!
HERE IT IS-06-06-06
AND I AM STILL HERE!
Your writing this proves without a doubt that indeed LORD GOD Almighty
is the source of all knowledge and wisdom.
Many thanks and praises to GOD for providing this proof through you.
To understand this, simply surf the link under my name.
Still praying for your poor enslaved soul, dear Steve.
> Your writing this proves without a doubt that indeed LORD GOD Almighty
> is the source of all knowledge and wisdom.
>
> Many thanks and praises to GOD for providing this proof through you.
The depths of Chung's delusional state are truly profound. He sounds
more and more like Osama bin Laden every day.
Inability to meet the gaze of others in a conversation reveals a
straying from the truth.
> He sounds more and more like Osama bin Laden every day.
Would suggest you inform your psychiatrist about hearing my voice being
broadcast over usenet.
Still praying for your poor enslaved soul, dear Scott.
That's because I wasn't talking to you.
I was talking to the other people on this newsgroup who are concerned
about a long standing problem facing the members of these
newsgroups--namely, you.
Now, I don't give a rat's ass about you or your imaginary father
figures, but I do care about the effect your obsessive-compulsive
behavior has on the people of these groups, who only wish to discuss
issues relevant to the newsgroups' topics without unwelcome
interruptions from some disturbed douchebag for Christ.
Let's see, I wonder what your response will be...
Would suggest you mention these hallucinations of seeing posters' eyes
to the many psychiatrists you've ignored.
You were responding to my post.
> I was talking to the other people on this newsgroup who are concerned
> about a long standing problem facing the members of these
> newsgroups--namely, you.
Writing to folks who have a problem with the truth will indeed result
in a straying from the truth.
>
> Now, I don't give a rat's ass about you or your imaginary father
> figures, but I do care about the effect your obsessive-compulsive
> behavior has on the people of these groups, who only wish to discuss
> issues relevant to the newsgroups' topics without unwelcome
> interruptions from some disturbed douchebag for Christ.
Vulgar behavior remains a tell for those who have satan's mark
emblazoned across their foreheads.
> Let's see, I wonder what your response will be...
See above.
To understand this, simply surf the link below my name.
Still praying for you poor enslaved soul, dear Scott.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/gj98a
> "For where two or three come together in MY name, there
> am I with them."
> -- LORD Jesus Christ
Let me put it this way:
Let's say Bob Newhart agreed to join any group of two or
more people who got together in his name. Is it your
position that people would never gather simply for the
thrill of spending a little time with a celebrity, or are you
claiming that, even if they did, there would be something
inherently "Moral" or "Religious" in their actions?
'Cus, you know, I'm willing to bet that if being in the
presence of a sitcom actor is a big enough draw for a
lot of people, the promise of a deity would represent
something of a larger draw.
Later we can explore our view of people who believe they've
gained some fame or importance of their own, vicariously,
through their proximity to a celebrity...
Sorry, don't know Bob Newhart. Please forgive all my iniquities.
To understand this, simply surf the link under my name.
Will be praying for your enslaved soul, dear neighbor.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/gj98a
Is it your
> jte...@gmail.com wrote:
> Let's say Bob Newhart agreed to join any group of two or
> more people who got together in his name. Is it your
> position that people would never gather simply for the
> thrill of spending a little time with a celebrity, or are you
> claiming that, even if they did, there would be something
> inherently "Moral" or "Religious" in their actions?
> Sorry, don't know Bob Newhart. Please forgive all my iniquities.
Apparently you don't know jack, or you wouldn't focus in
entirely on which specific celebrity I happened to mention.
Seriously, you're not pretending your response depends
heavily on which specific sitcom actor I mention?
That would be retarded.
Hello,
To modern man, sounds like he has it out for the whole family. But was
Jesus speaking these words to modern man, or ancient Jews? The key
question is, what did Jesus mean by the word "hate"?
In the Bible, the word "hate" has several shades of meaning; one of
which is to mean loving to a lesser degree. For example see Ge
29:30,31. We can't just ignore the original meanings of the Hebrew and
Greek words used at that time. The meaning of Lu 14:26 becomes
apparent when we look at Jesus' statement at Mt 10:37,
" He that has greater affection for father or mother than for me is
not worthy of me; and he that has greater affection for son or
daughter than for me is not worthy of me."
Yes, Jesus is telling us that if we have more love for a family member
than we have for Jesus, then Jesus would not accept us. Why? Because
the family member could induce us to sin against God. That is what
happened to Adam when he listened to his wife Eve. He apparently had
more love for her than for God. Because he did not love Eve less than
God, he also sinned, and lost for himself everlasting life on a
garden-like earth. What a high price to pay for misdirected love.
Sincerely, James
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Would concur with what you have written.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>>Re: Jesus == Hate>"Yang, AthD (h.c),
><snip>
><eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
>>On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 21:27:51 -0400, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>><and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"For where two or three come together in MY name, there am I with them."
>>>-- LORD Jesus Christ
>>
>>
>>"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his
>>wife and children, his brothers and sisters-yes, even his own life-he
>>cannot be my disciple."
>> -Jesus, Luke 14:26
>>
>
>Hello,
>
>To modern man, sounds like he has it out for the whole family. But was
>Jesus speaking these words to modern man, or ancient Jews? The key
>question is, what did Jesus mean by the word "hate"?
>
>In the Bible, the word "hate" has several shades of meaning; one of
>which is to mean loving to a lesser degree. For example see Ge
>29:30,31. We can't just ignore the original meanings of the Hebrew and
>Greek words used at that time. The meaning of Lu 14:26 becomes
>apparent when we look at Jesus' statement at Mt 10:37,
>
>" He that has greater affection for father or mother than for me is
>not worthy of me; and he that has greater affection for son or
>daughter than for me is not worthy of me."
>
Thanks for the info, James.
------------------
Gospel Bretts
a.a. Atheist #2262
Fundy Xian Atheist
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whosoever would believe in Him would believe all sorts of
other ridiculous nonsense as well.
>>Re: Jesus == Hate>"Yang, AthD (h.c),
><snip>
><eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
>>On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 21:27:51 -0400, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>><and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"For where two or three come together in MY name, there am I with them."
>>>-- LORD Jesus Christ
>>
>>
>>"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his
>>wife and children, his brothers and sisters-yes, even his own life-he
>>cannot be my disciple."
>> -Jesus, Luke 14:26
>>
>
>Hello,
>
>To modern man, sounds like he has it out for the whole family. But was
>Jesus speaking these words to modern man, or ancient Jews? The key
>question is, what did Jesus mean by the word "hate"?
Ever consider that sometimes the greatest love is "hate"?
What would we say when we want our family members to be much better
than they are? We say we hate them. What would we say when we want our
own life to be much better in serving God than it already is? We say
we hate ourselves.
When love is deep enough, it is "hate", right? :-)
> To modern man, sounds like he has it out for the whole family. But was
> Jesus speaking these words to modern man, or ancient Jews? The key
> question is, what did Jesus mean by the word "hate"?
>
> In the Bible, the word "hate" has several shades of meaning; one of
> which is to mean loving to a lesser degree. For example see Ge
> 29:30,31. We can't just ignore the original meanings of the Hebrew and
> Greek words used at that time. The meaning of Lu 14:26 becomes
> apparent when we look at Jesus' statement at Mt 10:37,
What a crock. The bible says what it says. It meant a lot to those of
little knowledge, especially those who could not read and had to take the
pastor's word for it that that was what was written. When the common man
learned to read, the bible was in great demand. The church actually
tried to stop it from being printed, when it could no longer keep people
wallowing in stupidity. The church itself had to learn, in order to stay
a step ahead of the growth of intelligence. One way it has done so is
reflected in your post here - to change the meanings of the words that
were written to make them more palatable to a modern society.
If that isn't lying, I don't know what is.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
The laws that require me to NOT kill people I don't like REALLY bug
me, or there would be many less of YOUR kind.
-John Weatherly
> Ever consider that sometimes <BUS> the greatest love is "hate"?
>
> What would we say when we <BUS> want our family members to be much
> better than they <BUS> are? We say we hate them. What would we <BUS>
> say when we want our own life to be much <BUS> better in serving BUS
> than it already is? We say we hate ourBUSselves.
>
> When love is deep enough, it <BUS> is "hate", right? :-)
There. I think that makes more sense.
Have you accepted your failure at converting atheists to
christianity?
You are ridiculed, mocked and pointed at with laughter on
alt.atheism. How do you cope?
Can you say 'anything' in response that isn't sucking the choir
cock?
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
The LORD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to either
convert or convince as is the purpose of HIS four horsemen.
> You are ridiculed, mocked and pointed at with laughter on
> alt.atheism. How do you cope?
Very well with the LORD's help.
> Can you say 'anything' in response that isn't sucking the choir
> cock?
Yes. It is written that what is impossible for man is possible for man
**with** GOD (Matthew 19:26).
Still praying for you, dear Steve.
Still no miracles!
Where are these damned miracles?
********************************************
John 14:12-14
12: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that
believeth on me, the works that I do shall he
do also; and greater works than these shall
he do; because I go unto my Father.
13: And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name,
that will I do, that the Father may be glorified
in the Son
14: If ye shall ask any thing in my name,
I will do it.
Mark 11:23-4
For verily I say this unto you, That
whosoever shall say unto this mountain,
Be thou removed, and be thou cast
into the sea; and shall not doubt
in his heart, but shall believe that
those things which he saith shall
come to pass; he shall have whatsoever
he saith. Therefore I say unto you, What
things soever ye desire, when ye pray,
believe ye receive them and ye shall have
them.
Matthew 21:22
And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask
in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
Matthew 18:19-20
Again I say unto you, that if two of you
shall agree on earth as touching anything
that they shall ask, it shall be done for
them of my father which is in heaven. For
where two or three are gathered in my name,
there I am in the midst of them.
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Still praying for you, dear William.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung
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Still no miracles.
You are a failure Andy, a complete failure. You really need to stop
posting your foolishness, it just makes you look bad.
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than they that seek answers on their knees,
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Good point.
>Stephen Knight wrote:
>> On 30 Jun 2006 10:48:35 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> <nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>>
>> Have you accepted your failure at converting atheists to
>> christianity?
>
>The LORD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to either
>convert or convince as is the purpose of HIS four horsemen.
>
>> You are ridiculed, mocked and pointed at with laughter on
>> alt.atheism. How do you cope?
>
>Very well with the LORD's help.
>
>> Can you say 'anything' in response that isn't sucking the choir
>> cock?
>
>Yes. It is written that what is impossible for man is possible for man
>**with** GOD (Matthew 19:26).
I asked you to reply without sucking the choir cock and what do
you do? You masturbate scripture.
Ho hum....
Never a straight answer. Just superstitious vernacular intended for
the sheep and laughed at by atheists.
I really can't blame you. You're locked into the brainwashing. All
the superstitious are inept at speaking to atheists. It's a Truth.
You're a great weasel though. You're smart enough not to get
cornered in a stated lie. You know enough about atheists to know you'd
get your ass handed to you in a basket.
We call that 'Smarmy'.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
James wrote:
> >Re: Jesus == Hate>"Yang, AthD (h.c),
> <snip>
> <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
> >On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 21:27:51 -0400, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> ><and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> >
> >>"For where two or three come together in MY name, there am I with them."
> >>-- LORD Jesus Christ
> >
> >
> >"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his
> >wife and children, his brothers and sisters-yes, even his own life-he
> >cannot be my disciple."
> > -Jesus, Luke 14:26
> >
>
> Hello,
>
> To modern man, sounds like he has it out for the whole family. But was
> Jesus speaking these words to modern man, or ancient Jews? The key
> question is, what did Jesus mean by the word "hate"?
You should be asking is
'what did the story writers mean ninety odd years later when they had their
Jesus say the word 'hate'.
A very different thing. There is nothing anywhere that shows what a man
claimed to be Jesus ever said - nothing other than mythology
........anything to the contrary simply comes from brain washed fundies
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
> Stephen Knight wrote:
> > On 30 Jun 2006 10:48:35 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> > <nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> >
> > Have you accepted your failure at converting atheists to
> > christianity?
>
> The LORD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to either
> convert or convince as is the purpose of HIS four horsemen.
no 'Lord' ever gave you a purpose, the only 'purpose' yopu have is from
other humans that brainwashed you. They in turn were also brainwashed by
others.
Is you mind so cluttered with mumbo jumbo you cannot see that?
v
wbarwell wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
> Still no miracles!
>
> Where are these damned miracles?
They only happened under a 'state of convenience '
thousands of years ago
when they could not be verified.
Today there are no miracles
like men walking in water
and cripples picking up their beds and walking
What does that tell a sane person?
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
> wbarwell wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> >
> > Still no miracles!
>
> It seems you have not surfed the link below my sig.
>
> Still praying for you, dear William.
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Christs amazing love does not help you one little bit
in your struggle to explain to the average atheists why
there were
outstanding 'walking on water' type miracles thousands of
years ago
and none today.
Ask Jesus to explain, since it seems you have his direct
line.
Eric Brze wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:42:42 -0400, James <bir...@allvantage.com>
> wrote:
>
> >>Re: Jesus == Hate>"Yang, AthD (h.c),
> ><snip>
> ><eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
> >>On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 21:27:51 -0400, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> >><and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>"For where two or three come together in MY name, there am I with them."
> >>>-- LORD Jesus Christ
> >>
> >>
> >>"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his
> >>wife and children, his brothers and sisters-yes, even his own life-he
> >>cannot be my disciple."
> >> -Jesus, Luke 14:26
> >>
> >
> >Hello,
> >
> >To modern man, sounds like he has it out for the whole family. But was
> >Jesus speaking these words to modern man, or ancient Jews? The key
> >question is, what did Jesus mean by the word "hate"?
>
> Ever consider that sometimes the greatest love is "hate"?
>
> What would we say when we want our family members to be much better
> than they are? We say we hate them. What would we say when we want our
> own life to be much better in serving God than it already is? We say
> we hate ourselves.
>
> When love is deep enough, it is "hate", right? :-)
Wrong, as usual you struggle to make sense out of your primitive myth - give
up - if you live to be a hundred you will change nothing, only you can change.
I would never never tell my child i hate it in order to encourage him to do
something.
We "hate" those we love the most not because we want to encourage them
to do something. We "hate" them because we don't know how to love them
and how to share the love of God with them.
We hate the sin and not the sinner.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Yeah, right. That was funny the first gazillion times you guys told that joke.
But not anymore. You guys are so full of hate that you make groups like the KKK
look like glee clubs.
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Those who follow Christ Jesus have HIM caring for their families. HE
remains our Shepherd. Does a Shepherd abandon the mates and the
offspring of HIS sheep?
> Did these men leave an income for the children to survive?
Those who follow Christ Jesus have HIS providence for themselves and
their dependents while they remain in this world and even when they
fall asleep.
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But then again, that is rather expected from frothing morons that still
cling to childish fairy tales.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
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A.A #1143 a=45, m=23, f=20
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
____________________________________________________________________
> "Stephen Knight" <woo...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:5vsba2hgibhuauhr9...@4ax.com...
>>
>> Have you accepted your failure at converting atheists to
>> christianity?
>> You are ridiculed, mocked and pointed at with laughter on
>> alt.atheism. How do you cope?
>> Can you say 'anything' in response that isn't sucking the choir
>> cock?
>> Warlord Steve
>> BAAWA
>>
> Still on the war path, warlord? LOL
> Behold the prince of peace, Jesus Christ and LIVE!!!! For all who
> live
> by the sword, will die by the sword.
>
>
>
and those that don't live by the sword die anyway.
Not really - you 'use' sin to prop up a myth
after all, when you come to think about it, there isn't much else to use is there?
the bible is highly susoect and full of errors
the priests, bishops and popes are simply human
the god never shows
the claims of a Jesus are laughable when one realises that they failed to cover the
first twenty years of his claimed life. [the son of a god that was supposed to have
created everything lives in obscurity for twenty years !]
the churches and temples plus all the parfinalia used for worship are all man made -
nothing in 'gods' book' instructing us about it. Look at all the other religions
and their gods, the parafinalia and rituals show remarkable similarities - why? I
think we all know the answer to that one !
as is the case for the wedding, birth and funeral services, man made, no
instructions from any gods, only our ancestors, who's work cannot be checked
...i could go on, but I think you get the drift.
bob
humanist Brit.
>
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Looking in the mirror again methinks
>
>
> Andrew
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheLife
torresD wrote:
Don't get upset about it - it is only a myth
Back in tose days they did not have the grey matter to
challenge such stories [come to think of it, a lot of simple
folk today don't either!]
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
> torresD wrote:
> > By causing men to leave their wives and children behind,
> > and follow him.
>
> Those who follow Christ Jesus have HIM caring for their families. HE
> remains our Shepherd. Does a Shepherd abandon the mates and the
> offspring of HIS sheep?
>
> > Did these men leave an income for the children to survive?
>
> Those who follow Christ Jesus have HIS providence for themselves and
> their dependents while they remain in this world and even when they
> fall asleep.
GROAN
<snip>
"Written groaning is silent indigestion."
OK
<VOMIT>
Marana tha !
To understand this, simply surf the links underneath the sigs.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth
Marana tha !
The infinite love that our dear LORD has for us overcomes all that is
wrong in this world.
The closer we walk with HIM, the harder it is for the world to tell US
apart :-)
And so HIS blessings for us continue to grow in size and number :-))
No.
> I wonder what he is doing.
Philip came here seeking the LORD's help to drive away his demon.
He asked for folks to pray on his behalf for this and indeed we have in
Jesus' most precious and holy name.
And, so it is done.
> > The closer we walk with HIM, the harder it is for the world to tell US
> > apart :-)
>
> Indeed.
>
> > And so HIS blessings for us continue to grow in size and number :-))
>
> Be blessed,
>
> ::: vera :::
We are blessed beyond measure through HIM the closer we walk with HIM.
All the glory is HIS.
What is kind in Philip or anyone else is the light that is the infinite
love of Christ emanating forth from their hearts.
Most assuredly, I know our LORD to be kind, just, and right.
> And you? Are you fine, brother?
As long as HE continues to humble me, making me hungry, I know HE plans
to keep me in active duty here is this world for at least a while
longer no matter how long HE may lead me to continue to fast. Let our
heavenly Father's will be done and not my free will.
> >>> The closer we walk with HIM, the harder it is for the world to tell
> >>> US apart :-)
> >>
> >> Indeed.
> >>
> >>> And so HIS blessings for us continue to grow in size and number :-))
> >>
> >> Be blessed,
> >>
> >> ::: vera :::
> >
> > We are blessed beyond measure through HIM the closer we walk with HIM.
> >
> > All the glory is HIS.
>
> Marana Tha!
Amen ! ! !
Amen.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
Yes, you are, dear LORD.
> > Most assuredly, I know our LORD to be kind, just, and right.
> >
> >> And you? Are you fine, brother?
> >
> > As long as HE continues to humble me, making me hungry, I know HE
> > plans to keep me in active duty here is this world for at least a
> > while longer no matter how long HE may lead me to continue to fast.
> > Let our heavenly Father's will be done and not my free will.
>
> Amen. His will, not ours. Anyway.
>
> I am glad that you are there, brother.
In Christ Jesus, my life is eternal whether I remain in this world or
not.
We are just passing through, you and I and the others who have been
reborn of water and the Holy Spirit through our faith in our Messiah,
our LORD, our Savior, and our GOD.
> >>>>> The closer we walk with HIM, the harder it is for the world to
> >>>>> tell US apart :-)
> >>>>
> >>>> Indeed.
> >>>>
> >>>>> And so HIS blessings for us continue to grow in size and number
> >>>>> :-))
> >>>>
> >>>> Be blessed,
> >>>>
> >>>> ::: vera :::
> >>>
> >>> We are blessed beyond measure through HIM the closer we walk with
> >>> HIM.
> >>>
> >>> All the glory is HIS.
> >>
> >> Marana Tha!
> >
> > Amen ! ! !
> >
> > Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
> >
> > Andrew B. Chung
> > Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth
>
> Be blessed,
>
> ::: vera :::
>
>
> Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him,
> including those who pierced him. All the tribes of the earth will mourn
> over him. Even so, Amen. "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord
> God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." (Revelation
> 1:7-8 WEB)
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Amen and amen ! ! !
May GOD continue to bless the writing and discussing of HIS Word in
these usenet groups, in the holy name of HIS one and only begotten Son,
LORD Jesus Christ, Who chose to suffer terribly and die horribly on the
cross in order to save us from our deadly sins.
Amen ! ! ! ! ! ! !
It may very be that he is here to fulfill the prophecy that even those
who have pierced the body of Christ will see HIS return to meet us in
the air.
May the Holy Spirit continue to strengthen, encourage, and comfort you,
dear Vera whom I love in Jesus's most precious and holy name.
Amen !
All thanks, praise, and glory to GOD, from Whom all blessings flow.
> May the Lord bless you forever and ever.
HE already has blessed me more than I could ever possibly deserve.
Many thanks, praise, and glory to GOD for your kind heart.
> May the God of peace keep on shining through you and keep you closely at
> his side,
>
> ::: vera :::
It is in the middle of a storm that HIS peace is most appreciated and
surpasses all worldly understanding :-)
Quite a storm is brewing. GOD is pulling all HIS protective hedges
away from the world. Don't you feel it ?
It is time:
"Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. Put on the
full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's
schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against
the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark
world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil
comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done
everything, to stand. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled
around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, and
with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of
peace. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which
you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the
helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of
God. And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers
and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying
for all the saints." (Ephesians 6:10-18)
Amen !
Laus Deo !
Marana tha !