10 QUESTIONS ALL SKEPTICS KNOW THE ANSWER TO BUT WILL NEVER ADMIT < < < < < < < <
|-|ercules
2/ Who is the richest BILLionaire?
3/ Who is the FASTEST runner on Earth?
4/ Who authorized the Star Wars program? (clue RayGun)
5/ Who keeps Raving on about his VIN?
6/ Who did you Barrack for at the last presidential election?
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ARE THE FOLLOWING ANSWERS INTELLIGENT? (OR JUST RANDOM QUOTES)
YES or NO
7/ "Are Genesis Adam and Eve alive today?" -POINTS-> "After creating both of those"
8/ "Why is our need to generalize a good reason that belief in religion is sane?"
-POINTS-> "We cannot assume or deduce everything that is possible"
9/ To James Randi "Can I take your million dollars if you do a test?"
-POINTS-> "Whenever you respond".
10/ "We're looking for a sign (that God is real)" -POINTS-> "1 is true"
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And now for the bonus question....
Where does James Randi keep his famous $1,000,000 paranormal prize money?
A/ GOLDMAN SACHS
B/ IN SACKS OF GOLD
C/ BANK OF NEW ZEALAND
PARANORMAL WAS UNDER RANDI'S NOSE ALL ALONG!
Herc
|-|ercules
> (Newsgroups trimmed)
>
> |-|ercules wrote, on 10-08-31 09:31 PM:
> how you'll run away from this new challenge.
>
> I have a stick of defunct RAM here in my apartment that has a sticker
> with a serial number on it, and it's sitting on a dead hard drive.
> Viewing that sticker and posting the serial number here should be
> functionally equivalent to viewing Raven1's VIN tag.
>
> I've put a super-encrypted (3 levels of encryption with OpenSSL) picture
> of this item with that serial number at
> <http://www.fenris.cjb.net/psychictest/pass3.enc> which people can
> download to keep me from switching the RAM stick and taking a picture of
> the different one after you have publicly posted your guess.
>
> Once a few people have said they have downloaded the encrypted file to
> keep me honest you can make your psychic guess public. 24 hours after
> you do that, I will post instructions on how to decrypt the file with
> OpenSSL so everybody who has downloaded it can see whether your guess is
> right or wrong. I will wait the 24 hours to let you change your mind
> about what your guess is, if you wish to retract it and make a new guess.
>
> If you post the correct answer by 2010-10-01 00:00:00, Eastern time, I
> will make a US$100 donation in your name to any charity that you specify
> and send you the receipt so you can claim it on your taxes.
>
> Are you honorable enough to take me up on this challenge? Or will you
> find new ways to run away from it?
Hi there semi-genuine skeptic.
I'm sorry you went to all that trouble but the VIN was a one off.
To tell you the truth I channeled V9. (VIN!)
Still a million to 1 hit, but you're all to daft to do subjective analysis.
Herc
Cory Albrecht
Coward. Run, Herc! Run!
A B
news:8e660a...@mid.individual.net...
Right. That took long enough!
It strikes me that if this is God talking, he's acting very strangely. Most
of your "answers" so far are vaguely appropriate, but no help at all with
whatever the questioner actually asked. It's as if the source is only
interested in playing games and showing off a weird phenomenon, not in
actually helping anyone. This in spite of the fact that it insists on being
asked only important questions (to not answer). Seriously, Herc, do you
really think God would go on like that?
--
A. B.
My e-mail address is zen177395 at zendotcodotuk.
I don't check that account very often, so tell me on the newsgroup if you've
sent me an e-mail.
BruceS
> "Cory Albrecht" <coryalbre...@hotmail.com> wrote
Hmm...I tried hashing "V9", and "v9", and neither resulted in the
value you posted. I also tried "VIN", and tried the various strings
with "HERC" after them (e.g. "V9 HERC"), and none hashed to the value
you gave for that. Are you saying the value you got, and hashed, was
simply "V9"? If not, what are you saying here?
|-|ercules
Maybe if your questions were more of the form "Should I ... ?" then you would
get direct advice.
With public questions...
Perhaps God is giving general answers that answer the question itself for anybody
who ever asks that question again, rather than a particular answer to the individual
motives.
It works fine for me, financial, dating, social, political, all sorts of advice. I often
check whether a post or email is ready to send and get advice on that.
Then there is the medium defense. If you had to communicate with me using
only quotes from the bible could you do any better?
Herc
|-|ercules
A B
All right, if you like (though I'm not sure why). Where exactly SHOULD my
father look to find out what happened to his grandmother after she put her
children up for adoption? May as well have another go at that one, since I
can't think of any other suitable questions off-hand.
> With public questions...
> Perhaps God is giving general answers that answer the question itself for
> anybody
> who ever asks that question again, rather than a particular answer to the
> individual
> motives.
>
> It works fine for me, financial, dating, social, political, all sorts of
> advice. I often check whether a post or email is ready to send and get
> advice on that.
>
> Then there is the medium defense. If you had to communicate with me using
> only quotes from the bible could you do any better?
Something in that, I suppose, though I think I could probably do a bit
better than your previous "channellings" have.
BruceS
> "BruceS" <bruce...@hotmail.com> wrote ...
OK, I verified the MD5 on "V9T", "V9T HERC", and "V9T ZENA", and all
match the values Herc posted earlier. That said, I have to point out
that this is not in fact a VIN, and the best we can get out of it is a
suggestion that the car is a "vintage" car. If the $100 bet were in
place (yes, I know, it's long since over), I see no way raven1 would
have to pay on it. Now I ask raven1: never mind posting your VIN (no
point really), but can you tell us the year, make, and model? There's
a lot of wiggle room on what constitutes a "vintage" car, but it seems
to me the loosest definition would be that it's at least 25 years old,
or a 1985 model. That's a *really* loose definition. A better one
would be that it's at least 50 years old, or a 1960 model or older.
The best definition I find is a model built between 1919 and 1930. If
your car fits this last definition, I'd call Herc's guess
"remarkable", though still not a valid answer to the VIN guess bet.
How about it raven1? Do you drive something like a 1925 Ford? If so,
I want to hear more about it!
Jesse F. Hughes
> OK, I verified the MD5 on "V9T", "V9T HERC", and "V9T ZENA", and all
> match the values Herc posted earlier. That said, I have to point out
> that this is not in fact a VIN, and the best we can get out of it is a
> suggestion that the car is a "vintage" car. If the $100 bet were in
> place (yes, I know, it's long since over), I see no way raven1 would
> have to pay on it. Now I ask raven1: never mind posting your VIN (no
> point really), but can you tell us the year, make, and model? There's
> a lot of wiggle room on what constitutes a "vintage" car, but it seems
> to me the loosest definition would be that it's at least 25 years old,
> or a 1985 model. That's a *really* loose definition. A better one
> would be that it's at least 50 years old, or a 1960 model or older.
> The best definition I find is a model built between 1919 and 1930. If
> your car fits this last definition, I'd call Herc's guess
> "remarkable", though still not a valid answer to the VIN guess bet.
> How about it raven1? Do you drive something like a 1925 Ford? If so,
> I want to hear more about it!
From http://www.autoinsurancetips.com/vin_history.htm:
Before 1950, VIN numbers were only used for serialization and unlike
today, they were not required. During this time, the first few
characters of the VIN number typically identified the make and model
of the vehicle and the remaining characters usually identified the
model year. Some, but very few manufacturers assigned characters for
the assembly plant and number of cylinders the engine had.
--
Jesse F. Hughes
"Browning, nobody with $3 million ever jokes."
-- Calling All Detectives (radio serial, 1948)
|-|ercules
I could try "Should AB try to find his grandmother?"
Herc
Jesse F. Hughes
> "A B" <a...@a.uk> wrote ...
>> "|-|ercules" <radgr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> Maybe if your questions were more of the form "Should I ... ?" then you
>>> would
>>> get direct advice.
>>
>> All right, if you like (though I'm not sure why). Where exactly SHOULD my
>> father look to find out what happened to his grandmother after she put her
>> children up for adoption? May as well have another go at that one, since I
>> can't think of any other suitable questions off-hand.
>
>
> I could try "Should AB try to find his grandmother?"
So the questions should be yes/no? What was wrong with AB's question
(which was about his *father's* search for *his* grandmother, note)?
--
Jesse F. Hughes
"Of course, my ability to admit my mistakes and correct them is a
trait that many of you seem to never have properly appreciated."
-- JSH, discussing his 1463rd "proof" of Fermat's Last Theorem.
|-|ercules
> "|-|ercules" <radgr...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> "A B" <a...@a.uk> wrote ...
>>> "|-|ercules" <radgr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> Maybe if your questions were more of the form "Should I ... ?" then you
>>>> would
>>>> get direct advice.
>>>
>>> All right, if you like (though I'm not sure why). Where exactly SHOULD my
>>> father look to find out what happened to his grandmother after she put her
>>> children up for adoption? May as well have another go at that one, since I
>>> can't think of any other suitable questions off-hand.
>>
>>
>> I could try "Should AB try to find his grandmother?"
>
> So the questions should be yes/no? What was wrong with AB's question
> (which was about his *father's* search for *his* grandmother, note)?
>
there are 7 billion possible locations and I have to randomly point
to the right one.
putting the word should in a question does not make it of the form
"Should I ... ?"
I'm surprised AB and Jesse are trying to pull this on me.
Herc
The Raven
Richard Cornford
> Jesse F. Hughes wrote ...
>> "|-|ercules" writes:
>>> "A B" wrote ...
>>>> "|-|ercules" wrote in message
>
>>>>> Maybe if your questions were more of the form "Should I ... ?"
>>>>> then you would get direct advice.
>
>>>> All right, if you like (though I'm not sure why). Where exactly
>>>> SHOULD my father look to find out what happened to his
>>>> grandmother after she put her children up for adoption? May
>>>> as well have another go at that one, since I can't think of
>>>> any other suitable questions off-hand.
>
>>> I could try "Should AB try to find his grandmother?"
>
>> So the questions should be yes/no? What was wrong with AB's
>> question (which was about his *father's* search for *his*
>> grandmother, note)?
>
> there are 7 billion possible locations
Is that all? Wouldn't that depend on the resolution of answer?
Possible answers might range from a likely, but unhelpful, "Earth" to
an improbably precise "On page 12 of the 1962 parish register of
marriages for the village of Wootton Basset in Wiltshire, England" and
run through a spectrum of vagaries such as "In the past". It seems
there would be many more than 7 billion possibilities.
> and I have to randomly point to the right one.
That your particular method of acquiring answers involves 'randomly'
pointing at things is irrelevant to an assessment of the worth of its
output. Ultimately a mechanism for getting ambiguous 'answers' to
vague 'questions' is about as worthless as having a low-cycle-rate
method of forming damaged desert spoons (Uri Geller's forte). Similar
results might be achieved by, say, hiring a sports journalist to
interview a politician.
To be of any real value the 'psychic' method has to be shown to be
achieving more than could be achieved otherwise, and in the question-
answer format that suggests getting accurate/useful answers that could
not be acquired otherwise. For which it is obviously advantageous to
be able to show that answers given are accurate/useful, implying a
need to ask questions that could have testable answers.
> putting the word should in a question does not make it of
> the form "Should I ... ?"
You are defining a "Should I ..." such that it precludes forms such as
"Where should I ... ". What you appear to want is a form of question
that cannot be given a testable answer even if the answer is actually
"yes" or "no". Questions in the form "Should I do ...", where the
answers could easily include both "yes" and "no", but there is no way
to determine if either is the correct answer because if "I do ..." I
cannot also "not do ...", thus I cannot know the consequences of both
and so cannot asses the "yes" or "no" in terms of whether they were
the correct/best answer to the "should" in "Should I do ...".
> I'm surprised AB and Jesse are trying to pull this on me.
Shouldn't the 'surprised psychic' be an oxymoron?
I don't see why you should be surprised that requesting the form
"Should I ..." you get questions incorporating "Should I". If you
actually wanted all the questions to take a form that was not amenable
to receiving testable answers (even if yes/no answers are provided)
then you should specify that. Otherwise you are just relying on the
only people willing to participate in asking the questions being
unable to frame a question that has a testable answer, or your ability
to reject/filter questions you don't like the look of, neither of
which make for a good test protocol.
BruceS
> BruceS <bruce...@hotmail.com> writes:
> > OK, I verified the MD5 on "V9T", "V9T HERC", and "V9T ZENA", and all
> > match the values Herc posted earlier. That said, I have to point out
> > that this is not in fact a VIN, and the best we can get out of it is a
> > suggestion that the car is a "vintage" car. If the $100 bet were in
> > place (yes, I know, it's long since over), I see no way raven1 would
> > have to pay on it. Now I ask raven1: never mind posting your VIN (no
> > point really), but can you tell us the year, make, and model? There's
> > a lot of wiggle room on what constitutes a "vintage" car, but it seems
> > to me the loosest definition would be that it's at least 25 years old,
> > or a 1985 model. That's a *really* loose definition. A better one
> > would be that it's at least 50 years old, or a 1960 model or older.
> > The best definition I find is a model built between 1919 and 1930. If
> > your car fits this last definition, I'd call Herc's guess
> > "remarkable", though still not a valid answer to the VIN guess bet.
> > How about it raven1? Do you drive something like a 1925 Ford? If so,
> > I want to hear more about it!
>
>
> Before 1950, VIN numbers were only used for serialization and unlike
> today, they were not required. During this time, the first few
> characters of the VIN number typically identified the make and model
> of the vehicle and the remaining characters usually identified the
> model year. Some, but very few manufacturers assigned characters for
> the assembly plant and number of cylinders the engine had.
Assuming that this is true (I'm either too trusting or too lazy to
check...guess which), it's extremely unlikely that raven1 has a truly
"vintage" car with a VIN. The guess looks less psychic than ever.
Jesse F. Hughes
>>
>> So the questions should be yes/no? What was wrong with AB's question
>> (which was about his *father's* search for *his* grandmother, note)?
>>
>
> there are 7 billion possible locations and I have to randomly point
> to the right one.
>
> putting the word should in a question does not make it of the form
> "Should I ... ?"
>
> I'm surprised AB and Jesse are trying to pull this on me.
So the question *does* have to be yes/no?
You only accept "should I" questions now?
I really don't see why God should be so limited.
--
Jesse F. Hughes
"It's much better to live with my parents than with a wife."
-- Quincy P. Hughes, age 4 1/2
|-|ercules
>
>>>
>>> So the questions should be yes/no? What was wrong with AB's question
>>> (which was about his *father's* search for *his* grandmother, note)?
>>>
>>
>> there are 7 billion possible locations and I have to randomly point
>> to the right one.
>>
>> putting the word should in a question does not make it of the form
>> "Should I ... ?"
>>
>> I'm surprised AB and Jesse are trying to pull this on me.
>
> So the question *does* have to be yes/no?
Only for a simplified test protocol to stop skeptics continually asking
near impossible questions.
>
> You only accept "should I" questions now?
That was just a suggestion for "direct help" answers since the answers
are often general in nature.
>
> I really don't see why God should be so limited.
Try telling me that using a bible quote.
Herc
|-|ercules
I asked for the VIN and pointed directly to V9.
Bibliomancy at it's finest.
Herc
Jesse F. Hughes
>> I really don't see why God should be so limited.
>
> Try telling me that using a bible quote.
You want me to find a quote from the Bible saying that God's power is
boundless?
I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be
withholden from thee. (Job 42:2) KJV
So, God can do everything, except answer questions like "where should my
father look for his grandmother's history?"
--
"Mathematicians are rather important in the infrastructures of many
organizations that protect civilization. I've determined that they
are a consistent security risk, and seem to have other agendas, other
loyalties beyond loyalty to their respective nations." -- James Harris
Jesse F. Hughes
V9 is not a VIN. And, contrary to your claim, V9 does not sound much
like VIN nor much like "vintage". And, in any case, Raven's car has a
VIN and we have no reason to believe that it is a vintage car.
If this is bibliomancy at its finest, surely you can understand why
we're all mighty unimpressed with bibliomancy.
--
"Rob Enderle [predicts] that Longhorn will provide 'vast improvements
in security.' We can cheer this happy prospect, but at the same time
we must ignore the snide laughs of Macintosh users who have yet to
encounter a virus..." -- New York Times
|-|ercules
The fact I got a letter number sequence was 1,000 to 1, The fact it sounded
like VIN was another 10,000 to 1.
Considering you refuse to answer 3/4 of my questions thus defaulting any
possibility of my proving my argument you have no say on anything.
Raven reneged as predicted to reveal the VIN.
You do better Jesse. Here is the only attempt to duplicate bibliomancy, and
no skeptic will even comment on the vast difference displayed.
www.tinyurl.com/JEFF-WAGG-JREF-DEBUNKER-CHEATS
www.tinyurl.com/JREF1Mchallenge
I've broken close to a googolplex to 1 odds with my 30 videos combined,
but you call the subjective card on each and every 1,000, 10,000, and
1,000,000 to 1 answer 1 at a time.
You seriously think
"Are Genesis Adam and Eve alive today" -> RANDOM QUOTE -> "After creating both of those"
is a typical random quote.
You argument which you then bailed on, was YES or NO are better answers, then you refused
to estimate odds on YES or NO.
WE DIDN'T EVEN GET TO MY SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT because you are a biased idiot skeptic.
Change the question to "HOW are Genesis Adam and Eve alive today?".
It's an equivalent question, and your stupid "It must be yes or no" argument fails.
It's million to one answer AT LEAST.
INDISPUTABLE EVIDENCE. (of great odds broken, barring me using CGI video editing)
Skeptics are so corrupt they never acknowledge ONE SINGLE HIT.
Jesse is a liar, cheat and a thief, and a stupid blind skeptic who can't see the forest for the trees.
He has a maths degree and he argues like BDK and Government Shill and Raven the high
school dropouts who admit they are "IN IT FOR THE ABUSE".
Herc
|-|ercules
> "|-|ercules" <radgr...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>>> I really don't see why God should be so limited.
>>
>> Try telling me that using a bible quote.
>
> You want me to find a quote from the Bible saying that God's power is
> boundless?
>
> I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be
> withholden from thee. (Job 42:2) KJV
>
> So, God can do everything, except answer questions like "where should my
> father look for his grandmother's history?"
Yes the entropy is too high to get an answer from a random quote.
Maybe when Usenet is running a mega Artificial Intelligence God will work his way
into voicing himself fluently via the randomness in the possible answers / search space.
Your bible quote did not reflect your meaning at all.
Herc
Jesse F. Hughes
Poor God! Omnipotence isn't what it's cracked up to be!
> Your bible quote did not reflect your meaning at all.
Er, yes, it did.
--
Jesse F. Hughes
"Wiles made somewhere around half a million dollars U.S. that I heard
about, and I know he didn't take major endorsements."
--JSH on the rewards of proving Fermat's last theorem.
|-|ercules
> "|-|ercules" <radgr...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote ...
>>> "|-|ercules" <radgr...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>
>>>>> I really don't see why God should be so limited.
>>>>
>>>> Try telling me that using a bible quote.
>>>
>>> You want me to find a quote from the Bible saying that God's power is
>>> boundless?
>>>
>>> I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be
>>> withholden from thee. (Job 42:2) KJV
>>>
>>> So, God can do everything, except answer questions like "where should my
>>> father look for his grandmother's history?"
>>
>>
>> Yes the entropy is too high to get an answer from a random quote.
>>
>> Maybe when Usenet is running a mega Artificial Intelligence God will
>> work his way into voicing himself fluently via the randomness in the
>> possible answers / search space.
>
> Poor God! Omnipotence isn't what it's cracked up to be!
Yeh I'm so upset at those elusive lotto numbers you all deem worthy.
>
>> Your bible quote did not reflect your meaning at all.
>
> Er, yes, it did.
>
Jess : You only accept "should I" questions now?
Herc : That was just a suggestion for "direct help" answers since the answers
are often general in nature.
Jess [using quotes to talk] : I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be
withholden from thee
Welcome to the flock brother!
Herc
Jesse F. Hughes
> "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote
>> "|-|ercules" <radgr...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>>> "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote ...
>>>> "|-|ercules" <radgr...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>>> I really don't see why God should be so limited.
>>>>>
>>>>> Try telling me that using a bible quote.
>>>>
>>>> You want me to find a quote from the Bible saying that God's power is
>>>> boundless?
>>>>
>>>> I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be
>>>> withholden from thee. (Job 42:2) KJV
>>>>
>>>> So, God can do everything, except answer questions like "where should my
>>>> father look for his grandmother's history?"
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes the entropy is too high to get an answer from a random quote.
>>>
>>> Maybe when Usenet is running a mega Artificial Intelligence God will
>>> work his way into voicing himself fluently via the randomness in the
>>> possible answers / search space.
>>
>> Poor God! Omnipotence isn't what it's cracked up to be!
>
> Yeh I'm so upset at those elusive lotto numbers you all deem worthy.
The question was about determining what happened to one's grandmother.
That doesn't sound like trivia to me.
>>> Your bible quote did not reflect your meaning at all.
>>
>> Er, yes, it did.
>>
>
>
> Jess : You only accept "should I" questions now?
>
> Herc : That was just a suggestion for "direct help" answers since the answers
> are often general in nature.
>
> Jess [using quotes to talk] : I know that thou canst do every thing,
> and that no thought can be withholden from thee
>
>
> Welcome to the flock brother!
Yes, according to the Bible, God can do everything -- except give advice
on how to find out about one's biological grandmother.
--
Jesse F. Hughes
Playin' dismal hollers for abysmal dollars,
Those were the days, best I can recall.
-- Austin Lounge Lizards, "Rocky Byways"
|-|ercules
Can doesn't mean should. I might be able to give some advice with an interactive
session instead of a single question. I can increase the entropy with repeated questions,
but no quote in any book will answer his question. Your argument is against the
limits of the physical Universe not God.
I'm going to ignore your posts from now on because I know you can do better.
If you want to disprove me, all you have to do is try to PROVE my claim, then tell
me "I honestly can't prove any statistical significance to your claim and data".
Trying to rebuke me is futile for both of us.
Herc
|-|ercules
> be back." "I'm psychic." "I'm GOD."
>
> There's a trend.
How many mistakes have you posted to me in the last 24 hours?
How many more in the next 24?
Herc
--
JessHC : It's spell FUCK.
JessHC : That was easy!
JessHC proving he can correct my spelling without making an error.
|-|ercules
You say SHOULD I DO X IN TOPIC Y?
I point to a random quote, if it says DO Z IN TOPIC Y then it's a hit.
How would you prove aspirin stops headaches, they seem to have
found a way to bypass all that subjective results no mans land you
have stalled on for 10 years.
Herc
A B
Well, I thought you were suggesting it as a way of getting a demonstrably
ACCURATE answer. If you're just offering an APPROPRIATE answer, as usual, I
think it'd be easier to stick to the five-question thing. As for doing it
just to find out the answer, I'm not at all interested in whether my father
"should" look for his grandmother, whatever that even means.
--
So there! :-)
A. B.
My e-mail address is zen177395 at zendotcodotuk.
I don't check that account very often, so tell me on the newsgroup if you've
sent me an e-mail.