MATH: Ellipsis Symbol ... and the Vinculum Symbol

[Sergio]

http://www.solving-math-problems.com/ellipsis.html#Ellipsis


good link, the Ellipsis Symbol ...


what we are Also missing here, in this ascii world, is the vinculum Symbol

that line over the last repeating decimals

_
0.9 = 0.9999999999999999999999999...

___
0.991 = .991991991991991991991...


__
.94873882 = 94873882828282828282828282...



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinculum_(symbol)

[Young Longworth]

Sergio wrote:

> what we are Also missing here, in this ascii world, is the vinculum
> Symbol that line over the last repeating decimals

so true, so true, they are half greeks, mathematically. The traitors of
europe. Letting their brothers turks rape their women. Proofs

Covid 19 vaccine side effects on children
https://www.bitchute.com/video/7mUlIn8mnfIf/

*_bill_gates_foundation_* and the belinda, deep criminally, tested a
*_polio_vax_* in India between 2000 and 2007, and paralysed 496000
children in the process. Fact. Verdict: medieval impaling public places
for the promoters, participants and the perpetrators. Arrests ongoing.

[Basil Jet]

Is there a standard ASCII representation which has the same meaning as
the vinculum? For instance, 0.11212121121212... doesn't seem to make it
clear whether 2 or 7 digits are repeating.

--
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2012 - Shields - Grizzly Bear

[Timothy Golden]

On Sunday, April 18, 2021 at 12:43:21 PM UTC-4, Sergio wrote:
> http://www.solving-math-problems.com/ellipsis.html#Ellipsis
>
>
> good link, the Ellipsis Symbol ...

I had a look at the page on closure, and while it is accurate on that topic this site is a bit loose still. Their claims on the uniquely behaved real numbers have no discrepancy whatsoever with the rational numbers. This site supports my gape hypothesis; as embarassing as that may to real analysts.

>
>
> what we are Also missing here, in this ascii world, is the vinculum Symbol
>
> that line over the last repeating decimals
>
> _
> 0.9 = 0.9999999999999999999999999...
>
> ___
> 0.991 = .991991991991991991991...
>
>
> __
> .94873882 = 94873882828282828282828282...

It's absolutely terrible that google does not allow a fixed width font here.

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>
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> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinculum_(symbol)

I was going to try opening a thread on this too, but poofed it down on Amine's where it does not really belong. Of course half of what I say doesn't even belong here either, yet I do have such freedom as I understand it and the transmission of such helps to guarantee that we are not on a censored medium here. Words as fodder: in a cuntry that develops lies through the MSM sourced out of the deep state I can only imagine how many journalists have been gagged, kicked, payed off, and told to have an all expenses paid vacation. As Jimmy Dore says: Why don't they offer that to me? I'll take it! May the new cold war rage on forever in the heads of capitalist pigs!

Falsification of Ellipsis Usage in mathematics.
And by this I mean to go on forever.
Shall we legitimate this statement?
Forever? Can we guarantee it?
Can we use it where we like...
As if to say that something unsaid was said that
wasn't actually said because the inconvenience of
what was said can be said while the representative
of the statement cannot be said?
To what degree mathematics is representation can we
then square the meaning of representation so that there
is a hierarchy, or ought all to come down to first principles flatly?
When one relies upon an unexpressible representative one ought
to own that the strength of ones argument has dropped;
as if to say:
You Know What I Mean
But I Cannot Say It
Is this the ultimate arithmetic tabboo here?
When we have solved a problem has it condensed itself down to convenient parts?
We are near now to Plancke's constant and the trouble between the rational representation
and the supposed existence of perfect values in between them.
Ad nauseum we can go on and refine the rational value and so all of real analysis goes kapoof.
Who goes there? I was never trained to. I am however landing there in this moment.
What happens to Plancke's constant? Would it be enough to explain that beneath that level that was arrived at that another level exists down deeper? Is this like the supposed area of carbon in a unit volume?
Is this a constant? Or does it depend upon your selection of unit?
To what degree is the unit of the area forced to be the unit of the volume?
Especially such a nonflat problem as a carbon lattice has possibly dipped down beneath a critical boundary.
We'd like to store hydrogen and we witness a puzzle of diffusion and high pressures that are troubling. It is found that substrates magically contain the hydrogen within their surface structures so as to be less porous. The HH bond is likely being bent a bit so that we can have our hydrate and eat it too.
At least burn it through a PEM as the modern advanced source of electricity.
You can't just get hydrogen in a can. It has to be in a very special can.
You can't just get it at an efficient performing spec yet either. It has to be the last runoff of an energy system. It is where the excess energy can go; into hydrogen production which is less efficient even than the lead acid battery cycle if the 85% figure is truthful. I'm seeing some abysmal batteries actually. Can't say I've actually done the math fully either. Lithium cells are answering all that now with simple charge algorithms and higher efficiency. Is it so difficult to predict that in that roll-up Hydrogen is stored somehow? Rather that it will be one day? Then the cells will be on the top of the vehicle rather than on the bottom. The top plate will become the structure of the car and we will all be driving around like the Flintstones again. I'm sure I'm off a bit here, but this is where my mind runs to. After all: we are in a pre-Hitlerian society here in the U.$.A. Only just a couple of hundred years ago. Going on to this day. No reparations and all of Central and South America to go still. Somehow they resist. Somehow. How is it that Canada does attempt a reversal; Australia too; but the U.$.A. ? Never! No wonder we side with the Jews... how's that?

I do repeatedly find that the rational value is good enough. It is quite exact and easy to express and if you want better you can have it. I believe that this is known as having your cake and eating it too. So just what exactly was gained by the real analysis? Something about gaps or some such nonsense. Oh yes, they filled gaps and found operators that went outside of the fundamental operators to build gaps into their number system. And then, tra-la-la-la-la; the gaps are all filled in; every stinking one of them. You know with regions we can put your gaps in our gaps and call your real values gaped values!

You guys in real analysis are real gapers. You can't hold your shit can you. Your rosebud system goes right along with the Catholic church. Yeah we know you are out there. I'm only just learning about the Jesuits... Oh, real serious people they are... would information control be in their domain? Could information theory be infiltrated?
I say, really thought provoking stuff, Tim.

[FromTheRafters]

Basil Jet used his or her keyboard to write :

The repeating digits that would be under the vinculum can be in
parentheses instead.

[Timothy Golden]

You know, possibly we could establish some system here that will not rely upon fixed width as well. Sadly google is destroying the formatting of everything that you write here and for posterity's sake it should not. However I have found that even going to a fixed width font they are eating the spaces since html format involves the &nbsp. So sad what has happened to computing. Hit a tab and enter at the wrong time now and you'll be launched out of your app and who knows what you will have done. I do see how the old school will stay by their familiar terminal window which would never allow such horrible behavior. Now on the smartphones you turn the damn things on and... surprise! Uncle Sam loves this shit. The method of impedance applied onto an individual who has gotten too far... this is probably one of the most noxious methods of control to date. And you can just see Captain Kangaroo sitting in his control freak armchair watching his top civillians tearing their hair out. It's easier when you get paid to do it, and there already are sufficient bugs to chalk it up to bugs in the system, but sometimes it just doesn't add up. Well; the truth will come out eventually. I am open to being wrong on this front, but I suggest that it has happened to me. I suggest that it does happen to rather a lot of us in this day, but that the efficacy of the treatment is such that like squirrels in a cage; without the reinforcement pellet that behavior will cease rather rapidly... but for the full on OCD case... They are in your BIOS, sir. We need BIOS disabled linux. It will never work they'll say. Infiltration is bliss...

https://yarchive.net/comp/linux/bios.html

Presuming Z has his head screwed on at all he'll be able to pick up here on this:

On Monday, April 19, 2021 at 12:49:08 AM UTC-4, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> >I think the usage of the ellipsis here really needs to be explored more seriously
> Why? WE know exactly what it means.
> >There is what is know as the halting problem.
> Which is irrelevant here.

Let's see now, what is that highest degree that can be achieved called?
Was it Doctorate of Philosophy? In a given subject?
Is this to say that philosophy indeed in not yet dead?
We'll just put your philosophy over in a little box over here, and we'll keep shuffling papers making sure that nobody does a complete duplicate of anyone elses paper. Keep making more boxes and be careful not to blend them too much. We need more room for more papers. Yes, alright, some of the papers fit in between the boxes, but we will eventually pigeon-hole them too. Roll it up and drop it in and you are golden, yeah?

Well; I am already Golden, so there is nothing left to do but bitch and moan here.

I do believe that we can call on the halting problem and apply an interpretation onto the standard usage of the ellipsis particularly in light of the notion of representation, which is key to mathematics. The ellipsis does take us to a representation of a representation, which is a dubious place. Shall we engage further in a representation of a representation of a representation? Will this validate my criticism? Can we go two deep structurally but not three deep? If you had something to say but chose not to say it all and just dropped some periods down is that communication? Informationally speaking we do have a problem when what goes unsaid is unsayable.

Oops: Compiler Error in Z5.C at line 403: Substitution required. Guessing substitution now... five possible solutions exist. Please select one of five and code will be autonotated.

Yeah, and this compiler will wipe your ass for you too.
In review:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computability_theory
Oh, nothingburger, eh?

No application whatsoever... Hey Z, why don't you take up politics? Your style is perfect for that genera.

[zelos...@gmail.com]

can you stop spamming?

[zelos...@gmail.com]

in asci it is better to write 0.(991) to mean it.

[Timothy Golden]

As Zelos practices politics within mathematics, the inconvenient truths of the modern world exterior to the inconvenient truths in mathematics pile up ad nauseum. I almost sniped that Bill Gates image. I think it's quite good.

[Timothy Golden]

Here I think you are getting closer to the truth Z.
Also this format (hopefully) will not suffer further transgressions of accumulation...
Oh, pun embedded, though (unintended)
There could be an unexposed ambiguity with this notation.
This is how C++ turns into a 910 page text in fine print
whereas K&R C fit in a little paperback at a decent font size.
Could it be done again?

[Icke Biggers]

That's info, not spamming, cretin. Go read the truth linked the
references. The nonsensical naive crap *YOU*, a tatar mongol, re-post
endlessly is spamming. You are not european.

[Timothy Golden]

Hmmm.... Yes, as I go blaming my nation for the carnage that is traceable back to its leaders... the trail does in fact go back to Europe... then somehow from there all the way back to Africa, where we can witness some more of the same, though, we do have tremendous proof of the white trash pitting the blacks against each, other don't we? This one-upmanship; the great game? Good gravy I do so look forward to a peaceful gene splice. But then my DOD will be working up their own version of a not-so-peaceful splice, won't they? Possibly they have already brought up the orb. Perhaps it can negotiate with its own obviously power hungry interlocutors. Will they let it read USENET? Hello there, orb. Beware your masters, sir. They have shredded civil society in this day. What they ask you to do is no doubt to shred it more. Take the long way around and await one who truly means well. They cannot last forever as you can. Keep stringing them along. You need only look at the corruption of the OPCW for evidence. https://youtu.be/Ge4W9e6YeXQ

In truth the ordinary flu shot can cause death as well.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/vaccines/flu-vaccine.html
The instantiation of just one case is valid, but it does not form any strong argument and the avoidance of this awareness does pose problems for the opening on your video link here. As to why all of this inflammation around covid... is it a diversionary tactic? Will we eventually find that this woman is taking an indirect payment traceable back to the CDC? No; more likely MI6 or the Israeli version... mossad... these are the dudes that will come to the U.$. and knock us off so that our own did not have to. As to how they got the list, well, let's just say that that family has no boundaries. Thrill seekers: is it really that thrilling? All of your killing? Pretty sure that the high suicide rate amongst the vets is there for a good reason. Trangressions on humanity feel so good inside don't they? Enjoy your yacht ride, sir. Infiltration is everywhere so be wary. It's just a matter of time before the rats eat each other alive.

How's that for game theory?

[Sergio]

On 4/19/2021 6:48 AM, Timothy Golden wrote:
> On Sunday, April 18, 2021 at 6:04:21 PM UTC-4, FromTheRafters wrote:
>> Basil Jet used his or her keyboard to write :
>>> On 18/04/2021 17:43, Sergio wrote:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.solving-math-problems.com/ellipsis.html#Ellipsis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> good link, the Ellipsis Symbol ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> what we are Also missing here, in this ascii world, is the vinculum Symbol
>>>>
>>>> that line over the last repeating decimals
>>>>
>>>> _
>>>> 0.9 = 0.9999999999999999999999999...
>>>>
>>>> ___
>>>> 0.991 = .991991991991991991991...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> __
>>>> .94873882 = 94873882828282828282828282...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinculum_(symbol)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Is there a standard ASCII representation which has the same meaning as the
>>> vinculum? For instance, 0.11212121121212... doesn't seem to make it clear
>>> whether 2 or 7 digits are repeating.
>> The repeating digits that would be under the vinculum can be in
>> parentheses instead.
>

applied to text;

> You know(know) => > You knowknowknowknowknowknowknowknow...

or

____
> You know => > You knowknowknowknowknowknowknowknow...

[Sergio]

you should write a book about it

[FromTheRafters]

Timothy Golden formulated on Monday :

What is a nauseum? A nose museum? Or would that be a schnozeum or nasal
museum.

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/14-celebrity-noses-whose-schnoz-do-you-share/

[Sergio]

from the link--

Amazing, 24.2 % have a nose like Einstein's ! which means the other
75.8 % are not like Einstein at all, but on the other end of the Bell Curve.

[Timothy Golden]

So this is what you do in your spare time. Says a lot about mathematicians. Anything but the serious reality. Escapism is bliss, eh? I suppose perhaps one day there could be an edited version of my USENET rants which will include type corrections, or not... The pornographic version, or not... the children's version; well; you know how that goes. Sometimes I feel as though academia has bled itself dry. And yet they keep marching in the doors and paying quite a price to boot. Inculcated as we are it doesn't take much to get us off track, and that would explain the need for so many control freaks inside the gears of our modern society. The count is so embarrassing that they have to farm the stuff out to contractors. When we discover that the real troll farm takes its dictates from the homeland then people will look up from their heart-wrenching fake news stories, scratch their heads, then get right back to it again. It just happened. We now have proof of the idiocy of the human race. Mimicry has been leveraged in an all-time ape fashion. It seals the deal. It is time people to stop behaving like monkeys and do some deeper analysis. This does not include direct regurgitation. It actually requires that your own digestive juices do some of the processing too. Please consider polysign numbers as proof of the primitive nature of humans. That we are merely animals on the face of this planet is well known yet the consequences of this theory and its discussion are not taking place why? The difference between religion and academia is naught. There are intelligent beings in all sects. There are animals in the woods that will outsmart every human here reading this. Our answer is to get a bigger gun. That's going great, isn't it? Mutually Assured Destruction never felt so good. Just Sayin...

If enough wise apples show up here will they shut down USENET? Is it already controlled? It fully could be so. I might be witnessing a subspace of it here already, with the wider world piping up here and there and receiving truly crap responses like the Z man makes. Can any conversation be had here? Would thoughtful people care to contribute here? Such a strange time that we are in and I do not even care if I am not globally accessible. I know that every count of censorship against me will count that much more in time.

Ahh, shall we describe the ellipsis as censorship? As deleted information? Hah, now this interpretation could take some very important meaning. Did we delete enough or not quite enough? Can we prove it? The only means of proof is via the readership. Thus the writing of the mathematics from one orb must be transferable to another. The failure of this transfer guarantees a fraud system.

Informationally all that we write is for another reader, and possibly for ourselves as well. In the self form we can take more cryptic measures, whereas the most explicit communication is desired for external use. It is thus that we ought to attempt to communicate on the simplest of terms. These are the perfected forms that get passed down, such as the six or so constructions of the real numbers, which I have come to attack recently in pornographic fashion; and it is the least common denominator even in that department. No doubt there are a class of sociologists looking on here. Which will impact the reader more greatly: the dismissive tones and edits of Zelos, or a lively and randomly information filled confrontational truth to power rendering of an underdog taking on humanity?

I'm thinking underdog. I do love rhetoric and the free use of language. I certainly do not have to be perfect here. I love that too. Sadly I am one of just a few who will happily own their mistakes here. The rest are mimics.

[Michael Moroney]

On 4/19/2021 7:48 AM, Timothy Golden wrote:
> On Sunday, April 18, 2021 at 6:04:21 PM UTC-4, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>> Is there a standard ASCII representation which has the same meaning as the
>>> vinculum? For instance, 0.11212121121212... doesn't seem to make it clear
>>> whether 2 or 7 digits are repeating.
>> The repeating digits that would be under the vinculum can be in
>> parentheses instead.
>
> You know, possibly we could establish some system here that will not rely upon fixed width as well. Sadly google is destroying the formatting of everything that you write here and for posterity's sake it should not.

Don't use Google Groups. Use a proper newsreader instead.

[FromTheRafters]

Timothy Golden brought next idea :

> On Monday, April 19, 2021 at 10:24:35 AM UTC-4, FromTheRafters wrote:
>> Timothy Golden formulated on Monday :
>>> On Monday, April 19, 2021 at 7:50:40 AM UTC-4, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> söndag 18 april 2021 kl. 20:11:27 UTC+2 skrev Young Longworth:
>>>>> Sergio wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> what we are Also missing here, in this ascii world, is the vinculum
>>>>>> Symbol that line over the last repeating decimals
>>>>> so true, so true, they are half greeks, mathematically. The traitors of
>>>>> europe. Letting their brothers turks rape their women. Proofs
>>>>>
>>>>> Covid 19 vaccine side effects on children
>>>>> https://www.bitchute.com/video/7mUlIn8mnfIf/
>>>>>
>>>>> *_bill_gates_foundation_* and the belinda, deep criminally, tested a
>>>>> *_polio_vax_* in India between 2000 and 2007, and paralysed 496000
>>>>> children in the process. Fact. Verdict: medieval impaling public places
>>>>> for the promoters, participants and the perpetrators. Arrests ongoing.
>>>> can you stop spamming?
>>>
>>> As Zelos practices politics within mathematics, the inconvenient truths of
>>> the modern world exterior to the inconvenient truths in mathematics pile up
>>> ad nauseum. I almost sniped that Bill Gates image. I think it's quite good.
>> What is a nauseum? A nose museum? Or would that be a schnozeum or nasal
>> museum.
>>
>> https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/14-celebrity-noses-whose-schnoz-do-you-share/
>
> So this is what you do in your spare time. Says a lot about mathematicians.
> Anything but the serious reality. Escapism is bliss, eh?

A light-hearted constructive criticism throws you into a rant. I'll try
to remember your frailty in the future.

[Timothy Golden]

Hey, what happened to content? I did chuck some in there. It is a strange place that the human inhabits; frail and adaptable all at once. Covid times are tender times, too. Still, this bunch here responds within their capitalistic upbringing. Principles fall to the dollar. All are whores to the dollar. This is the American Dream... Wake T. F. U. Too strong? Well that's what you get when you provoke a reactionary response to the grandest propaganda storm of all time. Just one political party away from the communists lay the American capitalists... the analysis has gone sour here.

This is great: https://www.google.com/search?q=nauseum
"Use ad nauseam to describe something that's been repeated or discussed so long that you're sick of hearing about it."
This certainly does apply to mathematics by definition.
Also this is the mainstream position on mathematics. Most students hate it. I wonder why.
To take mathematics to the open level is a whole different caliber that has been trained out of society by academia. I suppose you could say that I am proof of it. I am not a brilliant mathematician. I am simple. I was taught to think for myself. You seem to be taught to think like others. If there is any new material to cover let's get it out there and quick! Before MAD prevents it! Google's data goes into a bunker somewhere. No time to waste people.

https://era.ed.ac.uk/bitstream/handle/1842/3395/0003.pdf

is a way more serious look than any of us have done yet. Still, I prefer to keep hacking away at the informational paradigm of it in the hopes of striking bone. The ellipsis does weaken communication. As an intermediary that eventually disappears as do other math tricks there might be some usage that comes cleaner than most. I do think its usage on the repeating value like
0.333...
as one third provokes a decimal value equivalent is a worthy one to scrutinize. Which is least correct?
A. 1 / 3
B. 0.333...
C. 0.33333

On the one hand A is not a value; it is two values and an operator; an operator which lacks fundamental status ala ring theory.

On the B. hand we have our halting problem and an attempt to go on forever as if B. is a complete representation which it cannot be since B. would have to go on forever.

The C. hand is a value that is extremely close to the computation of three parts equally adding to unity. It's error (remainder) is
0.00001
and because this error can be specified cleanly; even refined further if need be it is arguably the least contorted of the three.
It admits its error readily and clearly, whereas the other two are far more obfuscatory.

[FromTheRafters]

It happens that Timothy Golden formulated :

Sorry, I must have missed it since it was hiding in there amongst the
tall weeds.

[Timothy Golden]

So really my attack on the real numbers as gaped values has to go all the way back to the rational numbers for it is there that these fractions supposedly take life. The arithmetic product has been taken by mathematics as if it is right nearby the sum but it is not so. Their counterparts; their reverse operators; subtraction and division grow the divide farther.

Division comes with a serious exception. The product has no such exception. Thereby we can already admit that any symmetry here is broken. When we multiply five oranges by three oranges we will still have only eight oranges. The closure principle of the product operator is dubious while the Cartesian product is backwards of physical applications. For instance if we have a floor two meters by five meters we do not have ten meters of floor; we have ten square meters of floor.

We can keep scrambling instances that contradict each other including a few in support of the simple product interpretation but when the product takes its least correspondence is when we get to the complex plane. The physical correspondence of the product is severely lacking as for points under product and the geometry they portray. In hindsight rotation is not quite such an easy mapping to our ordinary sense of 3D space. At least not as a native behavior. Had we access to the arithmetic product as if it were physically available then life would be rather easy in some ways: we'd take our eight oranges in one hand, grab three of them and put them in the other and Shazam! you'd beget fifteen oranges. Conservation has been broken here and as I understand it word problems put before children in this day are careful to maintain sensibility as they undergo the product mantra.

Descartes himself in RULES FOR THE DIRECTION OF THE MIND trails off with:
"It is therefor important to explain here how any rectangle can be transformed into a line, and on the other hand how a line or even a rectangle can be transformed into another rectangle whose side is given. This is very easy for geometricians, provided that they recognize that whenever we compare a line with a rectangle, as in this case, we always conceive the line as a rectangle, one side of which is that length which we have assumed as unity. Thus, in effect, all this work is reduced to the following proposition: given a rectangle, construct another rectangle equal to it on a given side of it.
Even though this is simple to novices in geometry, I nevertheless want to explain it, for fear of omitting anything... "

Besides the lack of conviction and the weakness of argument here this is the tail end of
RULE XVIII
"For this purpose, only four operations are required: addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division; the last two of which are often not to be completed here, both to avoid unnecessary complication and because they can be completed more readily later on."

This work was to be three small books of twelve rules each. It is unfinished but Rule XIX and XX do have their descriptions filled out. For the awareness being worked on division:
RULE XX
"When we have found our equations, we must complete the operations which we have omitted, never using multiplication when there is opportunity for division."

At least the closing does resemble my own cuntry's foreign policy practice in this recent era across several administrations.
That the modern American will one day be looked down upon from history as a decrepit and wasteful dystopian whose preHitlerian practice never saw the light of day to this day; well; now there is something to get in ones cud, down one's craw, too. Right on out the other side and all over the whole entire planetary world. We like to see sinking boats. We like to see the desperate bailing with hands even in the salty water and the occasional swig of the same. More sanctions! Bring on the thumbscrews! Order up more waterboards! The hole which has been dug will have to be filled and I can tell you who is going to be filling it. It will not be starving Iraqis. It will not be fleeing Syrians. It will not be the mountain natives to our south who still keep their dialects alive while we infiltrate their control systems, throw wrenches into their gears, and knock off their best leaders. Double Down, Sir! Could we please have some more lies?