Whats worse, Scientology or Technical Philosophy?
Both is a pile of shit, that even a fly wouldn't touch.

Chris M. Thomasson

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Apr 28, 2023, 8:46:24 PM4/28/23

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A simple quine can be a program that reads a file that happens to be its
own source code, and outputs it.

FromTheRafters

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Apr 29, 2023, 5:55:30 AM4/29/23

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Chris M. Thomasson formulated the question :

Like the Java virus "Strange Brew"?

Ross Finlayson

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Apr 29, 2023, 4:02:57 PM4/29/23

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https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLb7rLSBiE7F6Dzc6mMXPfc4W9Y_OafJZj

One time the Pontificate released a bunch of encyclicals to sci.math and sci.logic,
it was John Paul II.

Usenet articles each have a distinct URL, in the "nntp" protocol,
their content is the responsibility and property and copyright of the poster,
and there's quite strong anti-spam ("control").

Each usenet post is archived for retention in libraries in universities and institutions
throughout the world.

So, these videos are posted as without remuneration in the sense that the "Youtube"
as sort of a store has that each has a URL, then that, all rights reserved, and, it's vouched
that all content is legitimate in fair use and such. So, these videos this channel are
simply academic material copyright the author available for fair use with regular
bibliographic attribution.

This is where these video files, which are about two gigabytes each, have that, in the
space of one of those files, could instead be about two gigabytes of text, where,
I've written tens of thousands of posts to sci.math and sci.logic, and, also sci.physics.relativity.

There's an old metaphor, "a picture, is worth, a thousand, words".
But, "a picture, is worth, a thousand, words", is only seven words.

Triality is quadratic, ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkZGZ6FRpS0&list=PLb7rLSBiE7F6Dzc6mMXPfc4W9Y_OafJZj&index=4

Mostowski Collapse

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Apr 29, 2023, 4:42:25 PM4/29/23

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Rossy Boy, the pope of bull shit.

Ben Bacarisse

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May 3, 2023, 11:34:27 PM5/3/23

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On 4/29/2023 2:55 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
> Chris M. Thomasson formulated the question :

[...]

>> A simple quine can be a program that reads a file that happens to be
>> its own source code, and outputs it.
>
> Like the Java virus "Strange Brew"?

Was that one ever released into the wild?

One time I created a program way back on MSDOS that would randomize the
file names of everything it could find in the file system. It would
totally fuck things up.

FromTheRafters

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May 4, 2023, 12:15:56 AM5/4/23

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Chris M. Thomasson brought next idea :

> On 4/29/2023 2:55 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
>> Chris M. Thomasson formulated the question :
> [...]
>>> A simple quine can be a program that reads a file that happens to be its
>>> own source code, and outputs it.
>>
>> Like the Java virus "Strange Brew"?
>
> Was that one ever released into the wild?

Unknown, but it was never found there.

> One time I created a program way back on MSDOS that would randomize the file
> names of everything it could find in the file system. It would totally fuck
> things up.

Nasty trojan (or virus or worm payload), better IMO would be to ROT-1
them, they would then be recoverable and you could laugh at the techs
whom didn't realize this and wrote in write-ups that it destroyed them
and the system was irrecoverable.

Prepend "@autoexec" without the quotes to the first line of
autoexec.bat and see what happens. That was my favorite joke payload.
It is not good to be malicious.

Ross Finlayson

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May 4, 2023, 2:09:25 PM5/4/23

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These days the worst sort of attacks seem built into the loader when
something like the DLL image loader accepts random vectors.

Everybody who's heard of the original "built-in compiler backdoors"
that build themselves into the bootstrapping the compiler,
has some idea about image tools about static analysis of a very
limited and curated collection of object tools.

Back in the old days there was disk controller logic for example,
about "hardware" controls, for example "punch the floppy
to implement write-protect, or for example break out its tabs
the cassette".

Of course some firmware or disk controllers don't observe same.

Now, "Strange Brew" is a very interesting movie of the plebeian
sort of the times, where something like "lightdm", "app armor",
"Windows Management Instrumentation", and of course just
usual TCP/IP route and proxy and DNS poisoning and the very
loose nature of the hundreds of usual "authorities" in the browsers'
vended Certificate Authority stores, basically reflect that
while "OpenBSD has never shipped with a vulnerability",
that "the world's nether-full of spooks regardless their hat color
are quite most always surreptitious threats and collectively
un-secure".

Writing an OS or executive to PC-2000 or the dirt-stock usual
PC apparatus or mobile handset apparatus, it was discussed
here once among us all. Implementing a pretty neat networking
infrastructure could go a long way toward efficient use of resources
and protections of usual personal properties.

So anyways, if you compare something like "Windows 7 aka NT core"
and "WMI and all the rest of this virtual privacy-stealing infrastructure",
they're different. And, the one doesn't need the other.

Chris M. Thomasson

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May 4, 2023, 3:26:09 PM5/4/23

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;^) I remember fork bombing some computers at Costco around 25 years
ago. I created a simple batch file that would call itself and go into an
infinite loop creating a shit load of processes. The display computers
were rendered into an unusable state without a reboot. I did not insert
the fork into autoexec.bat, so a reboot would solve the issue.

FromTheRafters

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May 4, 2023, 5:08:35 PM5/4/23

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Ross Finlayson presented the following explanation :

It is a Java based malware.

Chris M. Thomasson

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May 4, 2023, 6:09:19 PM5/4/23

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Fwiw, this should be the genuine source code for NT 4.0:

https://github.com/ZoloZiak/WinNT4/tree/master/private/ntos

Ross Finlayson

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May 4, 2023, 8:19:02 PM5/4/23

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It's like they say,
some image codecs in browsers have holes,
some font codecs in browsers have holes,
some XML parsers in browsers have holes,
some HTML parsers in browsers have holes,
so you might
proxy all image files through a sanitizing converter,
turn off font downloads,
block SMIL,
use an old open source browser,
and these kinds of things.

I don't much know though about
bash the stack / trash the instruction pointer
compared to
abuse the polkit and munge the autoproxy,
in terms of abuses and crimes in information "devices".

One time my friend and desk-neighbor had a screen-saver,
it had a password. He stepped away one time and I broke it,
but, I told him later that I'd done it.

In one team the rule was if you ever came across your
desk-neighbor's desktop open, you were to send an email
from them "I left my desktop open". Otherwise the rule
like in the OS group was "always lock your desktop
when you leave it". This one guy had like a forty-character
password, but this was the OS group and stuff like NT's system
account and delegation basically had that they'd just turn UAC off.

Myself I don't much even remember passwords and rely on,
"muscle memory", for passwords.

A big problem in computer crimes is so many "grey", areas,
and all sorts things what appear to be crimes.

Ross Finlayson

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May 4, 2023, 8:19:41 PM5/4/23

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Reading from Einstein: continuity, instinct and intuition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4eTUKaFE7U

Field mechanics, fields and forces, central symmetries, nuclear forces,
relativistic effect, Loch Ness monster, space contraction, ballet dance,
relativistic nanogyroscopes, quantum fields, quantum interpretations,
extra-local action, causality, requirements of theory, definition of a
model physicist, continuity and atomism, a Planck square, Heisenberg
uncertainty and skew, nuclear theory, light and transmutation,
mass and charge and light and matter.

FromTheRafters

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May 5, 2023, 7:07:19 AM5/5/23

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Ross Finlayson expressed precisely :

Java is not JavaScript. Think Java Runtime Environment.

> I don't much know though about
> bash the stack / trash the instruction pointer
> compared to
> abuse the polkit and munge the autoproxy,
> in terms of abuses and crimes in information "devices".
>
> One time my friend and desk-neighbor had a screen-saver,
> it had a password. He stepped away one time and I broke it,
> but, I told him later that I'd done it.
>
> In one team the rule was if you ever came across your
> desk-neighbor's desktop open, you were to send an email
> from them "I left my desktop open". Otherwise the rule
> like in the OS group was "always lock your desktop
> when you leave it". This one guy had like a forty-character
> password, but this was the OS group and stuff like NT's system
> account and delegation basically had that they'd just turn UAC off.

The Human Resources Manager where I used to work was administrator on
the system. She logged out (or so she thought) and walked away one time
and the screen dialog said something about a program still running.

I got back to her desktop and left her a little anonymous text file
instead of doing the sethc.exe hack.

https://superuser.com/questions/732605/how-to-prevent-the-sethc-exe-hack

==========================================
There is an exploit that allows users to reset the Administrator
password on Windows. It is done by booting from a repair disk, starting
command prompt, and replacing C:\Windows\System32\sethc.exe with
C:\Windows\System32\cmd.exe.

When the sticky key combination is pressed at the logon screen, users
get access to a command prompt with Administrator privileges.

[Edit by me -- Actually gives a "system" user account.]

This is a huge security hole, makes the OS vulnerable to anyone with
even the slightest IT knowledge.
===========================================

They later got severely hacked remotely and computer security was the
buzzword for some time afterward. Yep, we had to make sure the door to
the computer room was locked when we left, but it didn't close properly
so locked or not it didn't actually latch closed. People who were
granted access often left it unlatched purposefully for ease of access.

Mild Shock

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Actually Rossy Boy is big in Japan. He has a huge
fan base there, because he speaks Scattish:

Rossy Boy Speaks 'Scattish'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9z1kszsYGo