the situation is worse than you thought
RichD
girl at the counter for a cup of hot water.
It's a 12 oz. paper cup. I tell her, "Fill it
about 3/4."
She hesitates, then "Fractions aren't
my strong point, can you show me how
much you'd like?" I had to point to the
level to dispense.
That's right - "3/4 to the top" literally
boggled her mind! I fall into a
melancholia, I fear for posterity... homo
sapiens had a good run, but nothing
lasts forever...
"I'll sell my bonds." - Ronald Reagan
Martin Riddle
"RichD" <r_dela...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Go to the local fast food joint, order a super size menu item,
then ask for a small or medium cup instead of the large cup.
They're like deer in head lights, amazing.
Cheers
Paul Popinjay
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> girl at the counter for a cup of hot water.
> It's a 12 oz. paper cup. I tell her, "Fill it
> about 3/4."
>
> She hesitates, then "Fractions aren't
> my strong point, can you show me how
> much you'd like?" I had to point to the
> level to dispense.
>
Rich, that's a good story but what was the poor girl supposed to do? Make a
rough guess as to when it was 7 ounces of hot water? That would be pretty
tough even for me, unless you have the little lines on the side of the cup.
A lot of people can't just "eyeball" a certain amount of ounces in a paper
cup. How do you know how wide the cup is?
-Paul Popinjay
Androcles
"Martin Riddle" <marti...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Two male mathematicians are in a bar. The first one says to the second that
the average person knows very little about basic mathematics. The second one
disagrees, and claims that most people can cope with a reasonable amount of
math.
The first mathematician goes off to the washroom, and in his absence the
second calls over the waitress. He tells her that in a few minutes, after
his friend has returned, he will call her over and ask her a question. All
she has to do is answer one third x cubed.
She repeats "one thir -- dex cue"?
He repeats "one third x cubed".
Her: `one thir dex cuebd'? Yes, that's right, he says. So she agrees, and
goes off mumbling to herself, "one thir dex cuebd...".
The first guy returns and the second proposes a bet to prove his point, that
most people do know something about basic math. He says he will ask the
blonde waitress an integral, and the first laughingly agrees. The second man
calls over the waitress and asks "what is the integral of x squared?".
The waitress says "one third x cubed" and while walking away, turns back and
says over her shoulder "plus a constant!"
fishfry
<7f0d3f38-205c-4d48...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
RichD <r_dela...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Yeah but I bet she was hot.
John Larkin
Not everybody has math instincts. Maybe she has other talents, like
speaking three languages or something. Or maybe she's just dumb...
there's nothing inherently wrong with that.
John
Paul Popinjay
news:19q5e4dvstnp1i4ro...@4ax.com...
John, could YOU tell when it would have been 3/4 of the paper cup full just
by sight and without measuring it? Even though a paper cup in a cafe is
supposed to be the 12-oz size, a lot of them aren't really 12 ounces. What
if it had been 14 ounces if filled all the way to the top? Then what would
you have done? I agree that the girl probably just wasn't very bright. But
a lot of women are like that. Figuring things out just doesn't seem to be
their cup of tea. But I don't think you want to talk down to them or
ridicule them. Maybe I misjudged the tone of your post.
-Paul Popinjay
Uncle Al
>
> I was at a cafe the other day, I asked the
> girl at the counter for a cup of hot water.
> It's a 12 oz. paper cup. I tell her, "Fill it
> about 3/4."
>
> She hesitates, then "Fractions aren't
> my strong point, can you show me how
> much you'd like?" I had to point to the
> level to dispense.
Uncle Al says, "Heteronormatism problematizes homosocial othering."
Did you get laid? QED.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
Dr. Physics
Then it would be 16 ounces, which wouldn't fit, unless
you turned the cup around or took a reciprocal or
square roots, or converted it to metric or caused
a phase change. I have a degree from Upstairs
Milpitas Technical Institute so I know these things.
Androcles
"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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It means approximately. The information "It's a 12 oz. paper cup" was
redundant.
3/4 * 12 = 9.
Paper cups are usually a section of a cone with the small end closed,
although
for drinking cold water in small quantities the small end diameter is often
zero.
http://www.alpineh2o.com/images/620.jpg
Paul Popinjay
news:X4CEk.17522$a24....@newsfe17.ams2...
>
> Keyword: "about".
> It means approximately. The information "It's a 12 oz. paper cup" was
> redundant.
>
I thought he only mentioned "12 oz paper cup" once, but even so.
Obviously he didn't expect the girl to measure it. But what if the cup was
actually more than 12 ounces? What if it held 14 ounces, even though it was
assumed to hold 12? Would you end up with the cup being under-filled? Why
not just order a "medium" and hope that it was close to the 7 ounce mark
that Rich was hoping to get?
-Paul P.
John Larkin
By height, sure, within a few per cent probably. I could probbably
also make a decent instinctive correction to 3/4 volume, based on
eyeballing the taper.
>Even though a paper cup in a cafe is
>supposed to be the 12-oz size, a lot of them aren't really 12 ounces. What
>if it had been 14 ounces if filled all the way to the top? Then what would
>you have done? I agree that the girl probably just wasn't very bright. But
>a lot of women are like that. Figuring things out just doesn't seem to be
>their cup of tea. But I don't think you want to talk down to them or
>ridicule them. Maybe I misjudged the tone of your post.
>
>-Paul Popinjay
>
I have very good size and volume instincts. I can tell fairly
precisely if the beans in a round pot will fit into a rectangular
plastic container, stuff like that. 3/4 full is second nature to us
visual-spatial types. My wife is very smart but helpless with stuff
like sizes and volumes and fractions and algebra. But she's a speech
pathologist and can do other things I couldn't dream of. People are
different.
And some people just aren't very smart. As I said, there's nothing
wrong with that. They may have other virtues and, anyhow, people who
are smart got that way by accident, so have no cause to be proud or
smug.
A lot of people here think that being smart makes them superior. Now
*that's* dumb.
John
John Larkin
Does Milpitas have an upstairs? Looks pretty flat to me.
John
hey.wood...@yahoo.com
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:16:32 -0700, "Paul Popinjay"
>
>
>
> <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I cannot believe you assholes are this disinterested in current
events...
Mensanator
It's always a laugh when the cash register breaks down at the local
gas station and the clerks have to make change by hand. Three times
she kept giving me too much change and was annoyed when I kept
trying to give it back to her. Someone behind me in line mumbled
something at which she hissed
"I graduated from High School!"
Finally, walking out with her best attempt (still in my favor),
I heard the guy behind me say
"Ok, I've got three donuts at $0.69 each..."
Beldin the Sorcerer
"RichD" <r_dela...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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It's possible she's a math genius and figured you weren't.
"3/4 full" is not the same as "3/4 to the top". You're dealing with a
truncated cone, not a cylinder
Paul Popinjay
>>
>>John, could YOU tell when it would have been 3/4 of the paper cup full
>>just
>>by sight and without measuring it?
>
> By height, sure, within a few per cent probably. I could probbably
> also make a decent instinctive correction to 3/4 volume, based on
> eyeballing the taper.
>
>
> I have very good size and volume instincts. I can tell fairly
> precisely if the beans in a round pot will fit into a rectangular
> plastic container, stuff like that. 3/4 full is second nature to us
> visual-spatial types. My wife is very smart but helpless with stuff
> like sizes and volumes and fractions and algebra. But she's a speech
> pathologist and can do other things I couldn't dream of. People are
> different.
>
> And some people just aren't very smart. As I said, there's nothing
> wrong with that. They may have other virtues and, anyhow, people who
> are smart got that way by accident, so have no cause to be proud or
> smug.
>
> A lot of people here think that being smart makes them superior. Now
> *that's* dumb.
>
I think both Rich and the girl assumed the paper cup was only12 ounces. If
unbeknownst to them the cup was actually 14 or 15 ounces, he'd have to ask
for her to fill it with more water to get the same results. In that case if
he'd asked for 5/8ths full I would not have expected her to get it right. I
would be surprised if she did.
-Paul P.
Beldin the Sorcerer
<hey.wood...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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***
Go look at the 250 other threads.
Virgil
We may be disinterested, but we are not uninterested.
Disinterested does not imply uninterested.
Judges are supposed to be disinterested in the outcomes of the trials
over which they preside, but are definitely not supposed to be
uninterested.
Proximity/Franklin U.S. English Thesaurus
1 meaning(s) for łdisinterested˛
1. (adj) rendering judgment not influenced by bias
€ (synonym) fair, dispassionate, equitable, even-handed, impartial,
just, nondiscriminatory, objective, unbiased, unprejudiced, nonpartisan,
uncolored, fair-minded
€ (related) unbiassed
€ (antonym) unfair
Bazzer Smith
"RichD" <r_dela...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Why didn't you just get a full cup and throw what you didn't want away?
It's a no brainer.
Spehro Pefhany
Wheher it's an EPS plastic cup or a paper cup, it would be a very good
approximation to assume that the inner (liquid filled) volume of the
cup was a circular frustum, so I guess you could solve for the correct
ratio of perpendicular fill heights, but the algebra might be a bit
messy (a rare opportunity to use the closed form cubic solution,
maybe?). The actual draft angle isn't usually that much so eyeballing
would be close enough.
Maybe it would be easier if she filled three cups to the normal level,
and then divided the total amount into four equal portions using a
fourth empty cup, then discarded the left-over quarter and then
combined the contents of the remaining three into one of the cups. ;-)
In practice I'd just ask her to fill it and dump out the excess
myself-- it would be the fastest way.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
sp...@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
Androcles
> "Androcles" <Headm...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote in message
> news:X4CEk.17522$a24....@newsfe17.ams2...
>>
>> Keyword: "about".
>> It means approximately. The information "It's a 12 oz. paper cup" was
>> redundant.
>>
>
> I thought
Really? Try again. Begin by "reading" instead of snipping, then you
won't have to think, all the information will be there.
Eeyore
RichD wrote:
The other week my nephew IM'd me regarding help with an op-amp question
(he's doing a tech course - thankfully for him mostly software at
University).
I didn't just give him the answer, I made him do some work that involved
working with fractions and such. He got it, so I said now evaluate the
RHS. I'd already done it to one decimal point of precision in my head
but he said he needed a calculator.
Fine I said, use the calculator on your PC. But NO - he said he needed
an 'expression evaluator' calculator. To find a fraction with 2 numbers
on top and 2 below ?
I think probably all teachers (aside those in the really good schools)
should be lined up against a wall and shot together with their political
masters.
Graham
gdew...@gmail.com
Electrosmog - insert cave man apologistic logic here
mercury shots - insert cave man apologistic logic here
lack of oxygen - insert cave man apologistics here
lower skool standards - insert cave man apologistics here
"the news is what we say it is" - insert cave man apologistics here
not read/write books or software - insert cave man apologistics here
mythbusters is the Nr 1 science show - insert cave man apologistics
here
Kill people to have entertainments - insert cave man apologisics here
Looks to me like it's time for mankind to die now.
Lets not try to think about it to much.
Pepe Papon
I went into McDonald's with my kids and ordered a Happy Meal with
Chicken McNuggets. The guy at the register asked me what size
McNuggets I would like, and I replied "A half-dozen."
He then informed me that they don't have the option to order a
half-dozen, and that the only choices were four or six.
Just to be sure, I asked him, "I can't get a half-dozen, but I can get
six?" He confirmed that this was correct.
I ordered six.
Eeyore
Pepe Papon wrote:
We'll be living in mud huts soon.
I've had this idea from a number of years now. If kids can't master the
basics of language and arithmetic they can't leave primary school until
they can, even if it takes years. Being 15 and in a class of 10-11 year
olds might wake some of them up !
Graham
gdew...@gmail.com
wrote:
Good idea Graham.
Lets also kill everyone who disagrees.
Just for laughs.
Beldin the Sorcerer
"Pepe Papon" <hitme...@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote in message
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funky cold medina
> On Sep 30 2008 10:36 PM, RichD wrote:
> > I was at a cafe the other day, I asked the
> > girl at the counter for a cup of hot water.
> > It's a 12 oz. paper cup. I tell her, "Fill it
> > about 3/4."
> > She hesitates, then "Fractions aren't
> > my strong point, can you show me how
> > much you'd like?"
I was in a workflow session with 2 physicians and a Department
Administrator about half an hour ago. The physicians were upset
because it took them 3 mouse clicks to modify a diet order for a
patient (meaning they had to navigate through a couple screens and
click the mouse a total of 3 times during the process to get the
desired result. They measure the time they spend on a particular
activity in mouse clicks [for the bitch sessions]).
This session was so prolonged and dull -- I started perusing rec.poker
posts. And then I read this post by ruy in response to the post
above:
> She was probably making fun of you for making such a ridiculous request.
> What was it for, anyway, your decaf tea?
And then, I involuntarily laughed in the meeting and my gum shot out
on the table and I was the recipient of many glares bearing ill-
intent.
That is all.
:)
A Man Beaten by Jacks
>I was at a cafe the other day, I asked the
>girl at the counter for a cup of hot water.
>It's a 12 oz. paper cup. I tell her, "Fill it
>about 3/4."
>She hesitates, then "Fractions aren't
>my strong point, can you show me how
>much you'd like?" I had to point to the
>level to dispense.
>That's right - "3/4 to the top" literally
>boggled her mind! I fall into a
>melancholia, I fear for posterity... homo
>sapiens had a good run, but nothing
>lasts forever...
Having in a past life done service work, very often, someone will make
some very specific request, then when they get exactly what they ask
for, complain about it no matter what and demand something else. This
is especially common in web work.
In that case, it's best just to play dumb and let them basically point
to the line on the cup (metaphorically or in reality). Make sure they
can't possibly bitch, because some people seem absolutely determined
to bitch about absolutely everything.
"Three quarters of a cup" isn't necessarily such a request, but if I
were fucked enough to be working in a coffee shop, you can bet that if
someone asked for "seven eighths" that I've never heard of a fucking
eighth in my life unless it was of weed, because no way would I be
being paid enough to know what the fuck an eighth was.
A Man Beaten by Jacks
<jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>By height, sure, within a few per cent probably. I could probbably
>also make a decent instinctive correction to 3/4 volume, based on
>eyeballing the taper.
And then when you did, whoever asked you for 3/4 of a cup would
realize they didn't really want that, and would say no, I want a
little more or a little less. Even if you had gotten out a measuring
cup and given them exactly 9 ounces. Best just to let them point to
it.
[. . .]
>A lot of people here think that being smart makes them superior. Now
>*that's* dumb.
A lot of people here think they ARE smart. Now there certainly are
some smart people here, but not what I'd call a lot. (This is posted
from rec.gambling.poker, one of the newsgroups the original,
semi-amusing troll was posted to.)
~M~
"Androcles" <Headm...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote in message
>
> Really? Try again. Begin by "reading" instead of snipping, then you
> won't have to think, all the information will be there.>
Snipping is good, so everyone doesn't have to read down lines of quoted
text. The purpose of snipping is not to hide what was said, it is to make
this nonsense at least readable.
--
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and
deserve to get it good and hard."
- H.L. Mencken
~M~
"RichD" <r_dela...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> girl at the counter for a cup of hot water.
> It's a 12 oz. paper cup. I tell her, "Fill it
> about 3/4."
>
> She hesitates, then "Fractions aren't
> my strong point, can you show me how
> much you'd like?" I had to point to the
> level to dispense.
>
> That's right - "3/4 to the top" literally
> boggled her mind! I fall into a
> melancholia, I fear for posterity... homo
> sapiens had a good run, but nothing
> lasts forever...
She probably, based on past history of customers that make such requests,
figured you were going to get the cup, decide it was a centimeter too high
or too low, and make one of those faces that snobs make when forced to
mingle with common folk.
--
"Socialism is the ultimate destiny of the species, if we don't kill
ourselves first"
- Beldin the Sorcerer, 3/18/2008
Androcles
"~M~" <mwilln...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Androcles" <Headm...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote in message
> news:3CEEk.95833$KV1....@newsfe25.ams2...
>>
>> Really? Try again. Begin by "reading" instead of snipping, then you
>> won't have to think, all the information will be there.>
>
> Snipping is good,
What was it you said again?
da pickle
>> Really? Try again. Begin by "reading" instead of snipping, then you
>> won't have to think, all the information will be there.
>
> Snipping is good, so everyone doesn't have to read down lines of quoted
> text. The purpose of snipping is not to hide what was said, it is to make
> this nonsense at least readable.
Paul is roaring and this guy comes along and shoves a sliver of bamboo under
his toenail in a most unfriendly way ... and you come along and want to cut
off his foot. That is not a pleasant story at all.
jmfbahciv
>> girl at the counter for a cup of hot water.
>> It's a 12 oz. paper cup. I tell her, "Fill it
>> about 3/4."
>>
>> She hesitates, then "Fractions aren't
>> my strong point, can you show me how
>> much you'd like?" I had to point to the
>> level to dispense.
>>
>> That's right - "3/4 to the top" literally
>> boggled her mind! I fall into a
>> melancholia, I fear for posterity... homo
>> sapiens had a good run, but nothing
>> lasts forever...
>>
>
>
> speaking three languages or something. Or maybe she's just dumb...
> there's nothing inherently wrong with that.
Or it could be against the rules of the management.
/BAH
jmfbahciv
> "RichD" <r_dela...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7f0d3f38-205c-4d48...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> girl at the counter for a cup of hot water.
>> It's a 12 oz. paper cup. I tell her, "Fill it
>> about 3/4."
>>
>> She hesitates, then "Fractions aren't
>> my strong point, can you show me how
>> much you'd like?" I had to point to the
>> level to dispense.
>>
>> That's right - "3/4 to the top" literally
>> boggled her mind! I fall into a
>> melancholia, I fear for posterity... homo
>> sapiens had a good run, but nothing
>> lasts forever...
>>
>>
>>
>
> then ask for a small or medium cup instead of the large cup.
>
> They're like deer in head lights, amazing.
The service provider has to choose between breaking the
service rules of the establishment or telling you no
substitutions. The worker is screwed no matter what
s/he chooses to do.
/BAH
jmfbahciv
Massachusetts passed laws that required all students to pass certain
tests before high school graduation. All the teachers unions are
fighting this tooth and nail. Before you can accomplish your idea,
you'll have to break all the unions.
/BAH
Eeyore
jmfbahciv wrote:
I fear you are right.
Graham
jmfbahciv
<snip>
>
> I cannot believe you assholes are this disinterested in current
> events...
Are you talking about the ship in the Indian Ocean that was
seized by pirates?
/BAH
jmfbahciv
The most common complaint that is reported on the radio news is that
these teachers claim that they have to teach towards the tests.
I don't have any problem with that if the tests encompass the
skills those kids are going to need before they go to work when
adults.
/BAH
Eeyore
jmfbahciv wrote:
And who sets the tests ?
The exams I sat were from the Oxford and Cambridge Board.
Graham
PeterD
>
>Massachusetts passed laws that required all students to pass certain
>tests before high school graduation. All the teachers unions are
>fighting this tooth and nail. Before you can accomplish your idea,
>you'll have to break all the unions.
You do know why the union is fighting this, right?
The reason is simple: the teacher will be blaimed for the failure of
students to progress, regardless of the true reason.
I'd fight it too.
And I think unions suck.
Paul Popinjay
>
> Wheher it's an EPS plastic cup or a paper cup, it would be a very good
> approximation to assume that the inner (liquid filled) volume of the
> cup was a circular frustum, so I guess you could solve for the correct
> ratio of perpendicular fill heights, but the algebra might be a bit
> messy (a rare opportunity to use the closed form cubic solution,
> maybe?). The actual draft angle isn't usually that much so eyeballing
> would be close enough.
>
> Maybe it would be easier if she filled three cups to the normal level,
> and then divided the total amount into four equal portions using a
> fourth empty cup, then discarded the left-over quarter and then
> combined the contents of the remaining three into one of the cups. ;-)
>
I'm not trying to be argumentative and I don't want to drag this thread out
unnecessarily. But originally he wanted the 12-oz cup to be about 3/4 full.
How could he expect a normal everyday waitress to judge and stop filling it
at 7 ounces? I could see if he had asked her for half full.
-Paul Popinjay
Asst. Coordinator, Rec.Gambling.Poker
John O'Flaherty
wrote:
>RichD wrote:
>>
>> I was at a cafe the other day, I asked the
>> girl at the counter for a cup of hot water.
>> It's a 12 oz. paper cup. I tell her, "Fill it
>> about 3/4."
>>
>> She hesitates, then "Fractions aren't
>> my strong point, can you show me how
>> much you'd like?" I had to point to the
>> level to dispense.
>[snip crap]
>
>Uncle Al says, "Heteronormatism problematizes homosocial othering."
>Did you get laid? QED.
Right. How does she know that RichD's concept of 3/4 is correct?
--
John
Paul Popinjay
Thank you, Androcles, but I have been tasked with coordinating the threads
on rec.gambling.poker and I try my best. I'm not even being paid for this.
Our group started out many years ago as mostly discussions about poker. But
as you can see it has blossomed into a place where we have many off-topic
threads and especially some very interesting and insightful political
discussions. When I first started coordinating the threads it was right
after the 2004 upgrade. The group was much more manageable. Until that
time the senior coordinator had been doing much of the work by himself.
Please check your Profile, Androcles, check to see if the confirmation
number is in the box in the upper righthand corner, or if it is grayed out.
I have to go to my real job soon and I will try to straighten some things
out here when I get home. Obviously we have a sudden surge in the traffic
on rec.gambling.poker. That is a good thing! I just want to see that it
gets done right. I take pride in how I have coordinated this group even
though I don't get paid for it and sometimes it seems thankless.
Thank you, Androcles, and have a good day, I'll check in from work later.
Best regards,
Don Bowey
"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> "RichD" <r_dela...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7f0d3f38-205c-4d48...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> I was at a cafe the other day, I asked the
>> girl at the counter for a cup of hot water.
>> It's a 12 oz. paper cup. I tell her, "Fill it
>> about 3/4."
>>
>> She hesitates, then "Fractions aren't
>> my strong point, can you show me how
>> much you'd like?" I had to point to the
>> level to dispense.
>>
>
> Rich, that's a good story but what was the poor girl supposed to do? Make a
> rough guess as to when it was 7 ounces of hot water? That would be pretty
> tough even for me, unless you have the little lines on the side of the cup.
> A lot of people can't just "eyeball" a certain amount of ounces in a paper
> cup. How do you know how wide the cup is?
>
> -Paul Popinjay
>
>
You're the girls dad, right?
Paul Popinjay
Electrosmog - insert cave man apologistic logic here
mercury shots - insert cave man apologistic logic here
lack of oxygen - insert cave man apologistics here
lower skool standards - insert cave man apologistics here
"the news is what we say it is" - insert cave man apologistics here
not read/write books or software - insert cave man apologistics here
mythbusters is the Nr 1 science show - insert cave man apologistics
here
Kill people to have entertainments - insert cave man apologisics here
Looks to me like it's time for mankind to die now.
Lets not try to think about it to much.
-------------------------------------------------------------
Dear Gdewilde, Would you please contact myself or the Senior Coordinator at
your convenience? Not only is there no confirmation number in your Profile
but also the wrong format box has been checked. I was looking at it earlier
and for some reason I cannot override the read-only properties. Did you
access rec.gambling.poker before the 2004 upgrade? That might explain it.
Thanks for your time, and best regards,
Don Bowey
"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> "John Larkin" <jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
> news:19q5e4dvstnp1i4ro...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:36:57 -0700 (PDT), RichD
>> <r_dela...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I was at a cafe the other day, I asked the
>>> girl at the counter for a cup of hot water.
>>> It's a 12 oz. paper cup. I tell her, "Fill it
>>> about 3/4."
>>>
>>> She hesitates, then "Fractions aren't
>>> my strong point, can you show me how
>>> much you'd like?" I had to point to the
>>> level to dispense.
>>>
>>> That's right - "3/4 to the top" literally
>>> boggled her mind! I fall into a
>>> melancholia, I fear for posterity... homo
>>> sapiens had a good run, but nothing
>>> lasts forever...
>>>
>>
>>
>> Not everybody has math instincts. Maybe she has other talents, like
>> speaking three languages or something. Or maybe she's just dumb...
>> there's nothing inherently wrong with that.
>>
>> John
>>
>
> John, could YOU tell when it would have been 3/4 of the paper cup full just
> by sight and without measuring it? Even though a paper cup in a cafe is
> supposed to be the 12-oz size, a lot of them aren't really 12 ounces. What
> if it had been 14 ounces if filled all the way to the top? Then what would
> you have done? I agree that the girl probably just wasn't very bright. But
> a lot of women are like that. Figuring things out just doesn't seem to be
> their cup of tea. But I don't think you want to talk down to them or
> ridicule them. Maybe I misjudged the tone of your post.
>
> -Paul Popinjay
>
>
Don't let it bother you. We understand.
Paul Popinjay
news:C508D3E4.C5926%dbo...@comcast.net...
>
> You're the girls dad, right?
>
What was THIS supposed to mean? Since I do not know you, Don, I will take
this as a literal question. No, I am not the girl's dad, although I don't
understand why one would ask that question. It makes absolutely no sense to
me at this moment.
Don, we welcome new contributors to rec.gambling.poker, but sometimes the
sheer volume of posts overwhelms me. It is my task to coordinate the
threads. If you could save your comments for those times when you have more
to say, it would help me tremendously. Can you try to combine them? Even
if you have to combine topics, that is ok, as long as you make a paragraph
break to show when it is a new topic.
Thanks, Don.
Las Vegas Don
> I was at a cafe the other day, I asked the
> girl at the counter for a cup of hot water.
> It's a 12 oz. paper cup. I tell her, "Fill it
> about 3/4."
>
> She hesitates, then "Fractions aren't
> my strong point, can you show me how
> much you'd like?" I had to point to the
> level to dispense.
>
> That's right - "3/4 to the top" literally
> boggled her mind! I fall into a
> melancholia, I fear for posterity... homo
> sapiens had a good run, but nothing
> lasts forever...
>
There will always be people that get confused if they have to count by
2's, are given something that they are not familiar with then asked to
explain it, or cannot tell the difference between a documentaru and a
commercial. They believe the commercial and question the documentary
and what it is really trying to say.
All I can say is that I hope that these people do not reproduce as
they pull down the gene pool..
On a personal level, ...I share your concerne....
Don
Las Vegas Don
<paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> "RichD" <r_delaney2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7f0d3f38-205c-4d48...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> >I was at a cafe the other day, I asked the
> > girl at the counter for a cup of hot water.
> > It's a 12 oz. paper cup. I tell her, "Fill it
> > about 3/4."
>
> > She hesitates, then "Fractions aren't
> > my strong point, can you show me how
> > much you'd like?" I had to point to the
> > level to dispense.
>
> rough guess as to when it was 7 ounces of hot water? That would be pretty
> tough even for me, unless you have the little lines on the side of the cup.
> A lot of people can't just "eyeball" a certain amount of ounces in a paper
> cup. How do you know how wide the cup is?
>
> -Paul Popinjay
Having worked in foos in the past, ...it should have not been such a
big issue with her. She puts hot water in the cup, then tosses enough
out to make her happy as if it were her order. I can find comfort
with her inabilities as they do not belong to me. What really is my
concerne is her inability to handel the situation, in any productive
fashion, to a productive solution. A customer asks for a cup about
70% full of hot water, three quarters full, whatever, She could not
process the issue, period and end of statement. She could not think,
process info or find options. What customer would be equally as dumb
as to sit there and do the mental exercise of analyzing the cup of
water. If I wand tea I put "some" water in a cup, toss in a teabag
and let nature do her stuff.
The person could nt think, process info. Frankly, neither can
customers. Customers think that that just because they walk into a
business that they understand everything, when they infact, do not.
They do not understand that hamburgers do not come in "medium, medium
well", etc... They ask for things that do not exist, refuse to say
thank you or excuse me, talk to workers backs and wonder why no one
heard them (in communication mutual recognition is a fulcrum point)
and really show ignorance. They ask the dumbest questions and think
that you dare not respond truthfully as it would embarass them that
you re dumb. Just because you have money in your hand does not mean
that you know what is up.
The thing with the water is a bit much tho. Just put hot water in
the cup almost full. Geeez. :)
Don
Don Bowey
"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> "Don Bowey" <dbo...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:C508D3E4.C5926%dbo...@comcast.net...
>
>>
>> You're the girls dad, right?
>>
>
> What was THIS supposed to mean? Since I do not know you, Don, I will take
> this as a literal question. No, I am not the girl's dad, although I don't
> understand why one would ask that question. It makes absolutely no sense to
> me at this moment.
I hope you have no other children who will need gainful employment.
Paul Popinjay
news:71bd66c4-6c18-42a8-b59e-
Don
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don, Thank you for your comments. As I'm sure you know, this thread is
appearing on rec.gambling.poker as well as the other groups it is
cross-posted from. Anyone with a nickname like yours most assuredly has
many more interesting anecdotes. I hope you don't mind, but I took the
liberty of checking your Profile. The confirmation number is intact, just
as it's supposed to be. Does that mean that you did not post previous to
the major upgrade? Also, you may want to review it because there are no
hobbies or special interests listed, plus the wrong format box is checked.
It is my job to make sure the group stays coordinated. Thank you so much.
Paul Popinjay
>
> I hope you have no other children who will need gainful employment.
>
Don, I did not mention it, but I do have two children. My 16 year old
daughter is an honor student, when she is not cutting classes and
hitch-hiking with her friends to the various shopping malls around Los
Angeles. And my 12 year old son wants to be an interrogation specialist in
a Paraguayan prison when he grows up. They're both pretty bright kids.
Chips off the ol' block!
John Larkin
Nah, he was referring to the latest dish on Britney and Paris. You
know, things that really matter, and none of this hard "fraction"
stuff.
John
Androcles
"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:lKLEk.2101$Ws1...@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
> "Don Bowey" <dbo...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:C508D3E4.C5926%dbo...@comcast.net...
>
>>
>> You're the girls dad, right?
>>
>
> What was THIS supposed to mean? Since I do not know you, Don, I will take
> this as a literal question. No, I am not the girl's dad, although I don't
> understand why one would ask that question. It makes absolutely no sense
> to
> me at this moment.
It was pretty clear to the rest of us.
The girl is a waitress and doesn't know what 3/4 of a cupful is, right?
An airhead who loses at poker needs a job like that. The insinuation was
her trait is hereditary. Of course you could be really intelligent and
are only bluffing that you are as stupid as she is.
Androcles
> "Androcles" <Headm...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote in message
> news:3CEEk.95833$KV1....@newsfe25.ams2...
>>
>> "Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:yoCEk.2153$YU2...@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>> "Androcles" <Headm...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote in message
>>> news:X4CEk.17522$a24....@newsfe17.ams2...
>>>>
>>>> Keyword: "about".
>>>> It means approximately. The information "It's a 12 oz. paper cup" was
>>>> redundant.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I thought
>>
>> Really? Try again. Begin by "reading" instead of snipping, then you
>> won't have to think, all the information will be there.
>>
>
> Thank you, Androcles, but I have been tasked with coordinating the threads
> on rec.gambling.poker and I try my best. I'm not even being paid for
> this.
Egads... well, that explains it. I thought I had a royal flush but when I
looked
it was only two pair.
> Our group started out many years ago as mostly discussions about poker.
> But as you can see it has blossomed into a place where we have many
> off-topic threads and especially some very interesting and insightful
> political discussions. When I first started coordinating the threads it
> was right after the 2004 upgrade.
What 2004 upgrade?
sci.physics is a usenet newgroups and it hasn't been upgraded, although
you crossposted to it. You can upgrade it if you want to, it certainly needs
it.
> The group was much more manageable. Until that time the senior
> coordinator had been doing much of the work by himself. Please check your
> Profile, Androcles, check to see if the confirmation number is in the box
> in the upper righthand corner, or if it is grayed out.
Profile? What profile? The only grey I've got is my beard.
Androcles
for it. Then again, he could be bluffing. "Come play poker with me,
I can't figure out fractions".
Don Bowey
"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Hmmmmmm. Can you confirm one of the following?
A. You are a single parent raising two children, and 2/3 of the household
is male and 1/3 is female.
Or
B. You are married and you and your wife are raising two children, and 50%
of the household is male and 50% is female.
Ben Bradley
<paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>"RichD" <r_dela...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:7f0d3f38-205c-4d48...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>I was at a cafe the other day, I asked the
>> girl at the counter for a cup of hot water.
>> It's a 12 oz. paper cup. I tell her, "Fill it
>> about 3/4."
>>
>> She hesitates, then "Fractions aren't
>> my strong point, can you show me how
>> much you'd like?" I had to point to the
>> level to dispense.
There was the guy at Subway where I often get the $3.99 "Fresh
Value Meal" which they informally call the "daily special." With tax
the cost is $4.27, so I gave him $5 bill and 27 cents. The first time
he looked at what I gave him, gave me the change back, then entered $5
into the register and gave me the 73 cents in change. I did that again
with him a few days later, and he pulled out a CALCULATOR, apparently
subtracting the $4.27 cost of the sandwich from the $5.27 I gave him.
It must have taken him an excruciating 30+ seconds to do this, but he
finally gave me back a dollar bill in change.
The 'good' news is he didn't last two weeks there, and the rest of
the kids who work there seem to be reasonably knowledgable.
And you'd think since they make the sandwich while you wait that
Subway would be slower than more "traditional" fast-food places, but
I've had to wait longer at McDonalds for a double cheeseburger, and
it's a lot less healthy...
>>
>
>Rich, that's a good story but what was the poor girl supposed to do? Make a
>rough guess as to when it was 7 ounces of hot water? That would be pretty
>tough even for me, unless you have the little lines on the side of the cup.
>A lot of people can't just "eyeball" a certain amount of ounces in a paper
>cup. How do you know how wide the cup is?
I, and I think most other people, perhaps even the OP, would be
happy if the waitress had just assumed (even without thinking about it
to this detail) the cup was cylindrical and eyeballed a point 3/4ths
the height and filled it to there. I imagine that's what the OP
intended. Unfortunately, it appears the waitress was having trouble
even with that.
Calculations of the actual difference in fluid this calculation
gives versus the volume of a 3/4ths full-by-volume conical-section cup
are left to the reader.
>
>-Paul Popinjay
>
Kyle T. Jones
10:20 AM, or thereabouts, when you let the following craziness loose on
Usenet:
God, this should be interesting. This is the worst crosspost ever...
RGP with sci.math and sci.logic?
We have standards here!
Pluseth, WORLDS ARE COLLIDING.
To RichD: please to not be crossposting RGP with those cesspools, sir!
Thankee!
Cheers.
Paul Popinjay
news:gc0buj$qu2$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
>
> God, this should be interesting. This is the worst crosspost ever... RGP
> with sci.math and sci.logic?
>
> We have standards here!
>
> Pluseth, WORLDS ARE COLLIDING.
>
> To RichD: please to not be crossposting RGP with those cesspools, sir!
> Thankee!
>
What is THIS, Kyle? Are you suddenly the new coordinator here? What makes
you think I don't have this situation already under control? Wtf is your
problem?
Kyle T. Jones
12:32 PM, or thereabouts, when you let the following craziness loose on
Usenet:
> "Kyle T. Jones" <KBf...@realdomain.net> wrote in message
I'm doing meta-work here, Popinjay. This is very confusing for me...
don't know which sock to use!
Cheers.
Michael Stemper
>"Spehro Pefhany" <spef...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in message
>> Maybe it would be easier if she filled three cups to the normal level,
>> and then divided the total amount into four equal portions using a
>> fourth empty cup, then discarded the left-over quarter and then
>> combined the contents of the remaining three into one of the cups. ;-)
>>
>
>I'm not trying to be argumentative and I don't want to drag this thread out
>unnecessarily. But originally he wanted the 12-oz cup to be about 3/4 full.
>How could he expect a normal everyday waitress to judge and stop filling it
>at 7 ounces? I could see if he had asked her for half full.
Nobody said anything about "seven ounces". Go check the original post. All
that he said was "about 3/4 full". So, she eyeballs halfway up the side
and then about halfway from there to the top. Bingo, "about 3/4".
No number of ounces, seven or otherwise, was in the original post.
Somebody who's qualified to be the waitress's co-worker made that
up in a followup.
--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
91.2% of all statistics are made up by the person quoting them.
Paul Popinjay
>
> Hmmmmmm. Can you confirm one of the following?
>
> A. You are a single parent raising two children, and 2/3 of the household
> is male and 1/3 is female.
>
> Or
>
> B. You are married and you and your wife are raising two children, and
> 50% of the household is male and 50% is female.
>
Don, I don't think either of these two completely different scenarios is any
of anyone's business. I have already told you I have two children. My
daughter Penelope Popinjay is 16, and my son Augusto Pinochet Popinjay is
12. They're both very bright, and I'll tellya the Popinjays is one good
looking family! You should see Penelope in those tight little jeans she
likes to wear! However, Don, I'd rather keep the discussion on topic with
the original post. I am the Assistant Coordinator on rec.gambling.poker and
it makes my job much easier if the threads are coordinated. Try to keep
digression to a minimum. Thank you, Don.
best regards,
Michael Stemper
>"John Larkin" <jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message news:19q5e4dvstnp1i4ro...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:36:57 -0700 (PDT), RichD <r_dela...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>I was at a cafe the other day, I asked the
>>>girl at the counter for a cup of hot water.
>>>It's a 12 oz. paper cup. I tell her, "Fill it
>>>about 3/4."
>>>
>>>She hesitates, then "Fractions aren't
>>>my strong point, can you show me how
>>>much you'd like?"
>> Not everybody has math instincts. Maybe she has other talents, like
>> speaking three languages or something. Or maybe she's just dumb...
>> there's nothing inherently wrong with that.
>
>John, could YOU tell when it would have been 3/4 of the paper cup full just
>by sight and without measuring it? Even though a paper cup in a cafe is
>supposed to be the 12-oz size, a lot of them aren't really 12 ounces. What
>if it had been 14 ounces if filled all the way to the top?
What's it matter? 3/4 of the way to the top is still "halfway up the
side and then halfway from there to the top".
> I agree that the girl probably just wasn't very bright. But
>a lot of women are like that.
I just wanted to set this statement off and look at it, all by itself.
Mensanator
wrote:
> In article <P4LEk.2094$Ws1.1...@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com>, "Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> writes:
> >"Spehro Pefhany" <speffS...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in message
> >> Maybe it would be easier if she filled three cups to the normal level,
> >> and then divided the total amount into four equal portions using a
> >> fourth empty cup, then discarded the left-over quarter and then
> >> combined the contents of the remaining three into one of the cups. ;-)
>
> >I'm not trying to be argumentative and I don't want to drag this thread out
> >unnecessarily. But originally he wanted the 12-oz cup to be about 3/4 full.
> >How could he expect a normal everyday waitress to judge and stop filling it
> >at 7 ounces? I could see if he had asked her for half full.
>
> Nobody said anything about "seven ounces". Go check the original post. All
> that he said was "about 3/4 full". So, she eyeballs halfway up the side
> and then about halfway from there to the top. Bingo, "about 3/4".
>
> No number of ounces, seven or otherwise, was in the original post.
What part of "12 oz. paper cup" don't you understand?
<quote>
I was at a cafe the other day, I asked the
girl at the counter for a cup of hot water.
It's a 12 oz. paper cup. I tell her, "Fill it
about 3/4."
</quote>
Androcles
I don't often have opinion (preferring proof) but in this case
I will state mine. Cross posting is limited to four groups by
my own ISP. It should cease altogether, or at the very least
limited to two newsgroups, otherwise there is little point in
having categories at all. If it is desirable to post to more than
one group the user should be compelled to post twice, two
separate posts. It won't happen, of course. I don't approve
of top posting either, but since you did, so shall I. We have
standards here that are not adhered to!
"Kyle T. Jones" <KBf...@realdomain.net> wrote in message
news:gc0buj$qu2$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
Kyle T. Jones
Usenet:
> Sweeping the dirt under the carpet is not the solution, Kyle.
> I don't often have opinion (preferring proof) but in this case
> I will state mine. Cross posting is limited to four groups by
> my own ISP. It should cease altogether, or at the very least
> limited to two newsgroups, otherwise there is little point in
> having categories at all. If it is desirable to post to more than
> one group the user should be compelled to post twice, two
> separate posts. It won't happen, of course. I don't approve
> of top posting either, but since you did, so shall I. We have
> standards here that are not adhered to!
>
This would help with the Usenet/Spam problems, at a minimum. Of course,
it'd be way too easy to write a script to post the same message
repeatedly to a list... which would have the same result.
When did I top-post? I do, occasionally, but I didn't in the post to
which you directed this response.
Cheers.
Paul Popinjay
news:gc0cve$kto$2...@aioe.org...
>
> Nobody said anything about "seven ounces". Go check the original post. All
> that he said was "about 3/4 full". So, she eyeballs halfway up the side
> and then about halfway from there to the top. Bingo, "about 3/4".
>
> No number of ounces, seven or otherwise, was in the original post.
> Somebody who's qualified to be the waitress's co-worker made that
> up in a followup.
>
No, Michael, I think someone DID mention seven ounces. Maybe it is YOU who
needs to go back and check the original post. But before you do that,
Michael, let me refresh everyone's memory that I am the Assistant
Coordinator on Rec.Gambling.Poker. And I am not used to being told to go
back and check or re-read something. If I comment on something first and
you do not understand it then I suggest that YOU need to do the re-checking.
Back to the original post, in case you were too lazy to pay attention, it
SAID that the paper cup was 12-ounces! Ok? Then he asked her to fill it
about 3/4 full. NOW do you see where I got the seven ounces from? It was
IMPLIED! And yes, I realize he said "about". I'm not so anal that I can't
give or take a dram here or there. So for all you nit pickers, let's just
call it ABOUT 7 ounces! Ok? Sheesh!
Paul Popinjay
>
>
>
> It was pretty clear to the rest of us.
> The girl is a waitress and doesn't know what 3/4 of a cupful is, right?
> An airhead who loses at poker needs a job like that. The insinuation was
> her trait is hereditary. Of course you could be really intelligent and
> are only bluffing that you are as stupid as she is.
>
Androcles, I think I have been quite patient with you so far. Need I remind
you that I can suspend your posting permissions on rec.gambling.poker? But
back to the original topic, the girl did NOT have trouble figuring out what
3/4 of the cupful was, as you imply. The orignal post assumes that the cup
was only 12 ounces. Is the girl supposed to be able to judge where 7 ounces
would stop at? That would be unreasonably demanding and unreasonably
unreasonable. Please tone it down a little, Androcles, if you wish to
continue posting to our rec.gambling.poker. I welcome your point of view,
but just don't get snotty with me.
Thanks,
Androcles
correspondent.
"Kyle T. Jones" <KBf...@realdomain.net> wrote in message
news:gc0dq8$3tm$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
Androcles
> "Androcles" <Headm...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote in message
> news:IMMEk.59771$FS.4...@newsfe11.ams2...
>>
>
>>
>>
>> It was pretty clear to the rest of us.
>> The girl is a waitress and doesn't know what 3/4 of a cupful is, right?
>> An airhead who loses at poker needs a job like that. The insinuation was
>> her trait is hereditary. Of course you could be really intelligent and
>> are only bluffing that you are as stupid as she is.
>>
>
> Androcles, I think I have been quite patient with you so far. Need I
> remind you that I can suspend your posting permissions on
> rec.gambling.poker?
Please do, I've never heard of it before and have no interest in popinjays.
> But back to the original topic, the girl did NOT have trouble figuring out
> what 3/4 of the cupful was, as you imply. The orignal post assumes that
> the cup was only 12 ounces. Is the girl supposed to be able to judge
> where 7 ounces would stop at? That would be unreasonably demanding and
> unreasonably unreasonable. Please tone it down a little, Androcles, if
> you wish to continue posting to our rec.gambling.poker. I welcome your
> point of view, but just don't get snotty with me.
Hmm... I'm really worried now. How about... umm... fuck off, you prat?
Paul Popinjay
>
> What's it matter? 3/4 of the way to the top is still "halfway up the
> side and then halfway from there to the top".
>
This would be true, but you are making the same mistake in assuming that the
cup was actually 12 ounces. If it was in fact 14 ounces, wouldn't you end
up under-filling the cup if you did it as you just suggested? Think about
it. I have plenty of patience and I like helping people.
best regards,
Paul Popinjay
>
>
> Hmm... I'm really worried now. How about... umm... fuck off
>
Ok, I don't like this ONE bit! I've been quite patient with you, Androcles.
I don't think I want you reading or replying to any of my posts from now on.
Especially if you are going to spew such venom. Like I said, I don't get
paid to do this, and the last thing I want to do for free is take some shit
from you. Please don't make me ban you from reading and/or replying to my
posts, Androcles. Just take it upon yourself, out of courtesy, do not read
or reply to me again.
-Paul Popinjay
Asst. Coordiantor, Rec.Gambling.Poker
gdew...@gmail.com
> "Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > you wish to continue posting to our rec.gambling.poker. I welcome your
> > point of view, but just don't get snotty with me.
>
> Hmm... I'm really worried now. How about... umm... fuck off, you prat?
Kyle T. Jones
> When you wrote "Androcles, my dear, dear friend", my doe buck deer
> correspondent.
>
>
> "Kyle T. Jones" <KBf...@realdomain.net> wrote in message
> news:gc0dq8$3tm$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Androcles, my dear, dear friend, there was this time, oh, 10/1/2008 12:53
>> PM, or thereabouts, when you let the following craziness loose on Usenet:
>>
>>> Sweeping the dirt under the carpet is not the solution, Kyle.
>>> I don't often have opinion (preferring proof) but in this case
>>> I will state mine. Cross posting is limited to four groups by
>>> my own ISP. It should cease altogether, or at the very least
>>> limited to two newsgroups, otherwise there is little point in
>>> having categories at all. If it is desirable to post to more than
>>> one group the user should be compelled to post twice, two
>>> separate posts. It won't happen, of course. I don't approve
>>> of top posting either, but since you did, so shall I. We have
>>> standards here that are not adhered to!
>>>
>> This would help with the Usenet/Spam problems, at a minimum. Of course,
>> it'd be way too easy to write a script to post the same message repeatedly
>> to a list... which would have the same result.
>>
>> When did I top-post? I do, occasionally, but I didn't in the post to which
>> you directed this response.
>>
>> Cheers.
>
>
Oh, that's just a script. Normally the header is "Androcles <email>
wrote in message" etc.; I just like people to know how much I appreciate
them!!!1!@!
Cheers.
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>"Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote in message
Who is the new guy? Is he seriously?
o well.... ok.... here is the stories Paul:
Usenet has online bulletin board system that began at Duke University
in 1979. Usenet users post messages to teh newsgroups that can be read
(and responded to) by anyone who has access to teh internets. rly!
Newsgroups grown to the thousands; they're hosted all over the world
specially to troll every conceivable topic. You to want to post your
own comments to any existing Usenet newsgroups. Preferably about half
a dozen at a time.
Welcome you very much.
Thanks,
-gaby de wilde
Paul Popinjay
news:74b78a83-5c04-41af...@j68g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> Who is the new guy? Is he seriously?
>
> o well.... ok.... here is the stories Paul:
>
> Usenet has online bulletin board system that began at Duke University
> in 1979. Usenet users post messages to teh newsgroups that can be read
> (and responded to) by anyone who has access to teh internets.
Thanks, but I already understand what usenet is. That does not change the
fact that people SHOULD be civil and polite. Sure, they don't HAVE to, but
they SHOULD. Which brings us to Androcles. I never said anything to
warrant being cussed at. So now, I just don't want him to read my posts any
more. That's all. He doesn't realize how many people LOVE to read my
posts. So it is his loss. He's out! He will NOT read or reply to my posts
anymore, or I will report him. He made his bed, now he can lie in it.
Thanks,
-Paul P.
Nico Coesel
>I was at a cafe the other day, I asked the
>girl at the counter for a cup of hot water.
>It's a 12 oz. paper cup. I tell her, "Fill it
>about 3/4."
>
>She hesitates, then "Fractions aren't
>my strong point, can you show me how
>much you'd like?" I had to point to the
>level to dispense.
I actually came across someone who couldn't tell how many hours are
between 9:00 and 17:00... insisted on 9 hours.
--
Programmeren in Almere?
E-mail naar nico@nctdevpuntnl (punt=.)
thepixelfreak
> She hesitates, then "Fractions aren't
> my strong point, can you show me how
> much you'd like?" I had to point to the
> level to dispense.
You're always better off just letting 'em fill it up. Pour the rest off
yourself.
There's definitely a brain trust at most fast food places. I recently
had the misfortune of going through the McDonald's drive through. I
ordered a Big 'n Tasty, add cheese and bacon, no sauce of any kind (I
hate catsup & mayo on burgers). What did I get?
1. Bacon Cheeseburger, with mayo and catsup.
2. Big and Tasty, no cheese or bacon, with mayo and catsup.
--
thepixelfreak
Robert J. Kolker
to dispense.
>
> That's right - "3/4 to the top" literally
> boggled her mind! I fall into a
> melancholia, I fear for posterity... homo
> sapiens had a good run, but nothing
> lasts forever...
>
I will weep for the Republic -- Bob Kolker
>
>
hanson
>
"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:P%PEk.2917$be....@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
<gdew...@gmail.com> wrote.
>> Who is the new guy? Is he seriously?
>> o well.... ok.... here is the stories Paul:
>> Usenet has online bulletin board system that began at Duke University
>> in 1979. Usenet users post messages to teh newsgroups that can be read
>> (and responded to) by anyone who has access to teh internets.
>
> Thanks, but I already understand what usenet is. That does not change the
> fact that people SHOULD be civil and polite. Sure, they don't HAVE to,
> but they SHOULD. Which brings us to Androcles. I never said anything to
> warrant being cussed at. So now, I just don't want him to read my posts
> any more. That's all. He doesn't realize how many people LOVE to read my
> posts. So it is his loss. He's out! He will NOT read or reply to my
> posts anymore, or I will report him. He made his bed, now he can lie in
>
janson wrote:
AHAHAHAHAHAHA... AHAHAHA... Paul, if/since you
post from rec.gambling.poker, why don't you simply put
on your pokerface and ignore Andro.. or even simpler,
scratch rec.gambling.poker in the follow-up and you will
lose him. He only posts to sci.physics, AFAIK... & to boot
>
Paul, have some heart and compassion: Androcles, the
retired Truck Driver had a very bad decompression
mode when he ended and unwound from his career.
>
Within one year (2007/8), he lost his daughter to cancer,
he had a heart attack/aneurysm that got him a stent
implant. The poor sucker is in constant pain, must take
Hi-BP meds that aggravate him, a situation which he
inflames with his constant intake of booze. --- Then the
Brit's DMV revoked his driver's license... & last month
he crushed/damaged his feet and ankles... Read it in his
posts... Give him a break and play with him. You are all
that he's got left Or, Paul, are you worse off then Andro is?
... ahahahaha... ahahahanson
Rock Brentwood
> I was at a cafe the other day, I asked the girl at the counter for a cup of hot water...
> "Fill it about 3/4."
>
> She hesitates, then "Fractions aren't my strong point..."
>
> I fall into a melancholia,
Who's the more numerically illiterate? The one who only feigns to
stumble over numbers by directive of a Pop Culture that, nonetheless
betrays its true nature by being awash in numeracy at every turn, or
the one who doesn't even have the presence of mind to seek out the 7
digits that count -- her number.
Everybody knows what 3/4 means. It's as much a part of pop culture as
everything else (e.g. the 3rd turn on the 400 meter run). But it's
also equally part of Pop Culture to go out of your way to manifest the
exact antithesis of nerdy bookishness. It's proof by case-in-point
that the last thing you ever want to do to find out what a human says,
believes or means is to directly put it to them. You can't trust a
human to give you a straight answer or account on anything they hold
to any further than you can throw one. Instead, to elicit the true
mathematical ability requirest getting udner the consciously-guarding-
against-nerdiness-appearance hood and catching them in the act. I.e.,
setting up a "Busted!" on them.
And yet, here we are. Not a single one of the 7 digits (or 10 in
crowded US metro areas; assuming this is in the US).
Paul Popinjay
news:WiREk.87$P5...@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
> AHAHAHAHAHAHA... AHAHAHA... Paul, if/since you
> post from rec.gambling.poker, why don't you simply put
> on your pokerface and ignore Andro.. or even simpler,
> scratch rec.gambling.poker in the follow-up and you will
> lose him. He only posts to sci.physics, AFAIK... & to boot
>>
> Paul, have some heart and compassion: Androcles, the
> retired Truck Driver had a very bad decompression
> mode when he ended and unwound from his career.
>>
> Within one year (2007/8), he lost his daughter to cancer,
> he had a heart attack/aneurysm that got him a stent
> implant. The poor sucker is in constant pain, must take
> Hi-BP meds that aggravate him, a situation which he
> inflames with his constant intake of booze. --- Then the
> Brit's DMV revoked his driver's license... & last month
> he crushed/damaged his feet and ankles... Read it in his
> posts... Give him a break and play with him. You are all
> that he's got left Or, Paul, are you worse off then Andro is?
> ... ahahahaha... ahahahanson
>
I'm sorry. I didn't know any of that. He is not a regular on
rec.gambling.poker and that is where I am posting from. I don't think I was
rude to him but I'll try to be more careful. Most of the posters on
rec.gambling.poker know me and they can tell you that I am one of the nicest
and most considerate people on the newsgroup. I don't want to hurt
Androcle's feelings so maybe it is better that I just ignore him. I'd
rather he just did not read or reply to my posts. I guess I could report
him if he keeps replying to me after I already told him not to. I have that
right to demand that he not reply in a thread if that thread is started by
me.
Thanks for the heads-up.
-Paul P.
Rock Brentwood
wrote:
> The guy at the register asked me what size McNuggets I would like, and I replied "A half-dozen."
>
> Just to be sure, I asked him, "I can't get a half-dozen, but I can get
> six?" He confirmed that this was correct.
>
> I ordered six
You can't fault someone for a relative lack of familiarity with a
largely outmoded term whose very use dates the person uttering it.
It'd be like asking a used car dealer for how many pence or shilling
can one procure a crank-free horseless carriage.
Paul Popinjay
news:9HREk.74893$fd.3...@newsfe12.ams2...
> I'm getting this fucking crap blasted at me on sci.electronics.design
> because you arogant stupid bastards insist on cross-posting your
> introverted personal battles all over the place!
>
> FUCK OFF POPINJAY, YOU CUNT, AND LEAVE THE REST OF US IN PEACE!
>
Ok, this was really too much! I can't believe how nasty people are today.
Did you all wake up on the wrong side of bed this morning? Look, Terry, I
don't think you realize the spot you have put me in. First off, I did not
start this cross-posting stuff. I merely responded to the original post,
which apparently was cross-posted. If you have an issue, why not take it up
with him? And further, people on rec.gambling.poker already know that I
hold an important position there as the coordinator. If it were not for me,
the newsgroup threads would be completely uncoordinated. I was tasked with
this responsibility because of the respect I have earned on our newsgroup
and people know that I am up for the responsibility. So you cannot just
talk to me in that tone of voice. You cannot just call me the c-word and
expect to continue with your posting as if nothing had happened. I am
seriously considering reporting you. Don't be surprised if your keyboard
suddenly starts typing all those little stars like ********.
-Paul P.
Rock Brentwood
> Good idea Graham.
>
> Lets also kill everyone who disagrees.
That'd be difficult to do without first ensuring that (a) they're all
together in one place and (b) nobody else is in that place. Otherwise
you'd be facing a situation analogous to trying to nuke Israel and
ending up killing off all the Palestianians in the process, while
vitrifying the sands of grounds holy to billions of people.
Hence, we find the ultimately solution to the modern-day analogue of
Ring of Power -- the Genie out of the Bottle. To unmake it does not
require finding the place of was made, and going back there to reverse
its creation ... E = mc^2 will never be forgotten. Rather, unlike the
Ring of Power, to neutralize this shadow of evil requires removing the
key enabler of the Genie: geography.
A nuclear bomb is impotent if the enemy to be targeted does not have a
geography or is not associated with a location at all. Inasfar as
there continue to be sovereigns, affiliations or people in this world
which are identified with specific geographies, the Genie will remain
potent. The world will never be cured of the curse of this scourge
unleashed, until it removes the enabling situation of peoples'/nations/
affiliations centralized to locations.
That is, by hook or crook, the Old World Order of geographically-
defined nation states is, itself, the enabler of the Genie and is the
most dangerous menace on this Earth. The very act of building walls
around borders, and establishing "purified" geographic locales or
enclaves buttresses the very thing that gives the Genie its power.
Without condition (a) above, there will never be any such thing as
"killing them all". Even with conditionn (a), without condition (b),
there will be no such thing as "killing them all" that doesn't also
mean "killing a lot of those who also agree with you, and alienating
them too and making enemies of them too."
It is for this reason that the Old World Order will soon be overturned
-- either by dissolution of the geographic nation-states, or by the
force of the nukes that everybody and their brother/sister will soon
have in their possession. One way or the other, the Age of Geography
is over.
The only type of people, affiliation or organization that can exist in
such a world remade is that based on decentralization at every turn.
The central of the world order that will replace the nation-states is
already right before your very eyes. It's Cyberspace.
The Internet is, itself, the embryonic form of what will become the
World Federation. It will not be some "New World Order" estbablished
from top-down, by committee, by a remote convention in New York,
Geneva or San Francisco by powerful elites. Rather, it will be the
structure that is already in place, emerging spontaneously from bottom
up by the collective results of your actions. You already are the key
players in the World Federation.
It is for this reason that the people who first conveyed the well-
known equation that's seen its consequence in the nuclear bomb, ended
his life as a World Federalist. Anyone who reads this is a de facto
world federalist solely by virtue of their continued involvement in
the entity that is destined to replace all the governments on Earth
and subsume all geography and history.
tadchem
> I was at a cafe the other day, I asked the
> about 3/4."
>
> She hesitates, then "Fractions aren't
> much you'd like?" I had to point to the
>
> That's right - "3/4 to the top" literally
> boggled her mind! I fall into a
> melancholia, I fear for posterity... homo
> sapiens had a good run, but nothing
> lasts forever...
>
> "I'll sell my bonds." - Ronald Reagan
Not surprised. Most retail sales clerks today can't make change
without the help of a computer. Try it. Next time you make a cash
purchase for something like $4.15 cents, give them $5.15, and watch
them try to figure out how to make change for the difference. Most
will call the manager over, who might not have a clue either...
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
Androcles
"Nico Coesel" <ni...@puntnl.niks> wrote in message
news:48e3d51d....@news.planet.nl...
> RichD <r_dela...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>I was at a cafe the other day, I asked the
>>girl at the counter for a cup of hot water.
>>It's a 12 oz. paper cup. I tell her, "Fill it
>>about 3/4."
>>
>>She hesitates, then "Fractions aren't
>>my strong point, can you show me how
>>much you'd like?" I had to point to the
>>level to dispense.
>
> I actually came across someone who couldn't tell how many hours are
> between 9:00 and 17:00... insisted on 9 hours.
>
Counting down,
1) 5 o'clock
2) 4 o'clock
3) 3 o'clock
4) 2 o'clock
5) 1 o'clock
6) 12 o'clock
and three hours between 9:00 and midday makes 9 hours. :-)
amy666
> "RichD" <r_dela...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7f0d3f38-205c-4d48-ac7f-9001fc8e3e48@m36g2000hse.
> googlegroups.com...
> >I was at a cafe the other day, I asked the
> > girl at the counter for a cup of hot water.
> > It's a 12 oz. paper cup. I tell her, "Fill it
> > about 3/4."
> >
> > She hesitates, then "Fractions aren't
> > my strong point, can you show me how
> > much you'd like?" I had to point to the
> > level to dispense.
> >
>
> Rich, that's a good story but what was the poor girl
> supposed to do? Make a
> rough guess as to when it was 7 ounces of hot water?
> That would be pretty
> tough even for me, unless you have the little lines
> on the side of the cup.
> A lot of people can't just "eyeball" a certain amount
> of ounces in a paper
> cup. How do you know how wide the cup is?
>
> -Paul Popinjay
>
yes , its like , you need to do integrals because the cup is not equally wide everywhere , and then estimate with your eyes the outcome of that integral.
also you of course need to parametrise you cup first , else you have nothing to compute the integral of.
from topology we know that the cup has no hole at the bottom , but then again i guess she knows that too from experience.
this - no hole at the bottom - property makes it a bit easier to parametrise , but still.
consider the quite recent thread " abolish fractions " where prof want to abolish fractions ...
and the fact that she had to make the computation in a few seconds and also have the skills to poor that much ...
and that she probably is not being payed enough to serve annoying , ugly looking old geeky mathematicians ...
i cant blame her.
^_^
regards
tommy1729
amy666
> In article
> <7f0d3f38-205c-4d48...@m36g2000hse.goog
> legroups.com>,
> RichD <r_dela...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I was at a cafe the other day, I asked the
> > girl at the counter for a cup of hot water.
> > It's a 12 oz. paper cup. I tell her, "Fill it
> > about 3/4."
> >
> > She hesitates, then "Fractions aren't
> > my strong point, can you show me how
> > much you'd like?" I had to point to the
> > level to dispense.
> >
> > That's right - "3/4 to the top" literally
> > boggled her mind! I fall into a
> > melancholia, I fear for posterity... homo
> > sapiens had a good run, but nothing
> > lasts forever...
> >
>
>
> Yeah but I bet she was hot.
where was that cafe again !!????? ^_^
oh well , now she is famous on sci.math !!
Androcles
Just a script? Oh... but that was MY point. :-)
Of course, it'd be way too easy to write a script to post the same message
repeatedly to a list... which would have the same result... and it has.
Androcles
*plonk*
Michael Stemper
>"RichD" <r_dela...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:7f0d3f38-205c-4d48...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>I was at a cafe the other day, I asked the
>> girl at the counter for a cup of hot water.
>> It's a 12 oz. paper cup. I tell her, "Fill it
>> about 3/4."
>>
>> She hesitates, then "Fractions aren't
>> my strong point, can you show me how
>> much you'd like?" I had to point to the
>> level to dispense.
>>
>
>rough guess as to when it was 7 ounces of hot water?
Seven ounces has nothing to do with it. About three-quarters was the
request. In other words, about one-fourth of the way down from the top.
>A lot of people can't just "eyeball" a certain amount of ounces in a paper
>cup.
You don't need to eyeball a certain number of ounces. You need to look
at the side, go half-way down, and then half-way from there back up.
> How do you know how wide the cup is?
How wide the cup is doesn't matter!
--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
Why doesn't anybody care about apathy?
Michael Stemper
>"Androcles" <Headm...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote in message news:X4CEk.17522$a24....@newsfe17.ams2...
>> Keyword: "about".
>> It means approximately. The information "It's a 12 oz. paper cup" was
>> redundant.
>
>I thought he only mentioned "12 oz paper cup" once, but even so.
He mentioned it once, and it's redundant to filling it 3/4 full.
> But what if the cup was
>actually more than 12 ounces?
It doesn't matter, since he didn't ask her to put a particular amount
in. He asked her to fill it 3/4 full.
If he asked her to fill it halfway full, would it matter how big it was?
No, you look at the side and eyeball a halfway point, kind of like folding
a piece of paper in half.
Similarly, to fill a cup 3/4 full, you look at the side of the cup,
split the difference between top and bottom, and then split the
difference between that point and the top.
> What if it held 14 ounces, even though it was
>assumed to hold 12? Would you end up with the cup being under-filled?
Not if you filled it 3/4 full, as requested.
> Why
>not just order a "medium" and hope that it was close to the 7 ounce mark
>that Rich was hoping to get?
He didn't say anything abuout seven ounces; you pulled that out of
some orifice.
Michael Stemper
Mensanator <mensa...@aol.com> writes:
>On Oct 1, 12:45 pm, mstem...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:
>> In article <P4LEk.2094$Ws1.1...@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com>, "Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> writes:
>> >"Spehro Pefhany" <speffS...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in message
>> >> Maybe it would be easier if she filled three cups to the normal level,
>> >> and then divided the total amount into four equal portions using a
>> >> fourth empty cup, then discarded the left-over quarter and then
>> >> combined the contents of the remaining three into one of the cups. ;-)
>>
>> >I'm not trying to be argumentative and I don't want to drag this thread out
>> >unnecessarily. But originally he wanted the 12-oz cup to be about 3/4 full.
>> >How could he expect a normal everyday waitress to judge and stop filling it
>> >at 7 ounces? I could see if he had asked her for half full.
>>
>> Nobody said anything about "seven ounces". Go check the original post. All
>> that he said was "about 3/4 full". So, she eyeballs halfway up the side
>> and then about halfway from there to the top. Bingo, "about 3/4".
>>
>> No number of ounces, seven or otherwise, was in the original post.
>
>What part of "12 oz. paper cup" don't you understand?
>
><quote>
>I was at a cafe the other day, I asked the
>girl at the counter for a cup of hot water.
>It's a 12 oz. paper cup. I tell her, "Fill it
>about 3/4."
></quote>
Which says nothing about seven ounces. As Androcles mentioned, the fact
that the cup had a twelve ounce capacity was unneeded information. The
request was to fill it 3/4 full.
--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him talk like Mr. Ed
by rubbing peanut butter on his gums.
Richard The Dreaded Libertarian
> "Androcles" <Headm...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote in message
> news:X4CEk.17522$a24....@newsfe17.ams2...
>>
>> Keyword: "about".
>> It means approximately. The information "It's a 12 oz. paper cup" was
>> redundant.
>
> I thought he only mentioned "12 oz paper cup" once, but even so.
> actually more than 12 ounces? What if it held 14 ounces, even though it was
> assumed to hold 12? Would you end up with the cup being under-filled? Why
> not just order a "medium" and hope that it was close to the 7 ounce mark
> that Rich was hoping to get?
The point is, she couldn't even figure out how to _guesstimate_ 3/4 full.
Geez, the kids on "Cyberchase" do this level of math routinely, and
they're, like, seven!
The problem, of course, has been the collusion of government and the
unions, who have been dumbing-down the schools for at least two
generations now; whether it's intentional or unintentonial remains
to be determined.
Thanks,
Rich
Vladimir Vassilevsky
RichD wrote:
> I was at a cafe the other day, I asked the
> girl at the counter for a cup of hot water.
> It's a 12 oz. paper cup. I tell her, "Fill it
> about 3/4."
>
> She hesitates, then "Fractions aren't
> my strong point, can you show me how
> much you'd like?" I had to point to the
> level to dispense.
>
> That's right - "3/4 to the top" literally
> boggled her mind! I fall into a
> melancholia, I fear for posterity... homo
> sapiens had a good run, but nothing
> lasts forever...
Not to worry. In few month, you will be able to see people with advanced
degrees working as the waiters.
VLV