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Archimedes Plutonium

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Feb 19, 2003, 10:23:10 PM2/19/03
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Shame there is no sci.art newsgroup and that sci.materials is the
closest I can
come to looking for science of art. Some will contend that art has
little to no
science contained, but I see art mostly as science. As we come to know
that
God is science and Science is God itself, then we come to realize that
all
activities whether by humans or otherwise are for God since the entire
cosmos
is God and we are a mere part of God-- one atom of 231Pu.

And if anything, I will perhaps for once spell porcelain correctly. I
have a hard
time remembering that the word "porcelain" has no "o" in it. In youth I
had a
hard time remembering that "separate" was not seperate.

In my teens I had grown up with Royal Copenhagen blue flute and blue
flute
half lace. We had some full lace but I never liked those perforated
holes. I sold
the collection after my father's death some 25 years ago. And now I am
realizing
the immense cost of trying to buy Royal Copenhagen back. My father and
grandmother probably rolled in their graves when I sold the collection
that they
loved so much. But I sold it because it hampered my freedom to what I
would
want to become later in life. And I would do the same thing over again.

But now I have fulfilled my dreams and wishes of what I wanted to
achieve and
accomplish in life. And now I want to restore some of that collection of
Royal
Copenhagen.

Any reader that has seen Royal Copenhagen 1/2 lace blue flute can
appreciate
what I am talking about. Perhaps our fathers and mothers, perhaps they
instill a
sense of beauty of art in their children by what they like. And my
parents certainly instill my sense of beauty with Royal Copenhagen. So
even though
I sold the collection, now I am trying to regain some of it back.

Anyone know what the pattern in Royal Copenhagen is? I would guess it is

forget-me-nots. In Delft (a small collection) the pattern seems to be
chrysanthenums.

What I am wondering is why it is that Royal Copenhagen pattern has
become
this endearing pattern. You see, I cannot separate myself from my past
history
of eating off of RC plates and bowls and dishes and cups. Pieces that
today
are worth more than an entire set of dishes bought in a store. Why are
these
patterns of Royal Copenhagen become a standard of beauty?

And why does Danmark become a country that makes some of the finest
porcelain in the world. For it would seem that the Dutch, Holland would
have
more better painters and that other larger countries would have better
clays
than Denmark?

So, how is it that the Danes with Royal Copenhagen blue flute 1/2 lace
are able
to come to the finest art design and porcelain in the world?
Understandably I am
biased since I grew up around RC for almost every meal. But there is a
fair
amount of truth to the assertion that the Danes in RC have attained
perhaps the
top of the artistic line in porcelain.

And if my opening paragraph above has any connection to this artistic
quality
of RC blue flute pattern, it would say that the element of plutonium
somehow is
connected with the color white and with the color of dark blue and with
the pattern of forget-me-nots. The 5f6 of plutonium atom is 6 lobed and
I suppose
those 6 lobes can somehow be artistically seen as the pattern of
forget-me-not
flowers.

Archimedes Plutonium, a_plu...@hotmail.com
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

Archimedes Plutonium

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Feb 21, 2003, 2:55:11 AM2/21/03
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One of the features of beauty of porcelain as compared to say picture art
is that
porcelain is 3 dimensional and able to be held in hand and touched. We do
not
go to art galleries and feel and touch paintings on the wall. But with
porcelain
we are allowed the sensation of feeling and touching the smooth shiny
surface.
One of the reasons I like fluted porcelain more is because of the extra
tactile.

And although porcelain does not convey as much visual stimulus as say a
painting, there is enough of a pattern and design to keep us coming back
for
more stares. Let me compare a painting print of Maxfield Parrish's
Daybreak with a Royal Copenhagen plate. Everytime I look at Daybreak I seem

to see more and I can never seem to remember the entire picture. So that
each
stare at Daybreak I find something new in it. With the Royal Copenhagen
design, I seem to have it all comprehended and nothing new but it is the
pattern that seems to captivate my attention. Like staring into a fireplace
at the
fire in that the changes are not holding me in suspense but rather the
pattern. Unlike the print of Daybreak where there is no pattern but a
search
for new features not seen before.

But unlike Daybreak, with the Royal Copenhagen porcelain I can touch and
feel its sleek smooth surface.

I do not know if this commentary is going to take me anywhere into science
other than an appreciation of art. For what is beauty really?

Could anyone of us say that the standard of beauty on plates would become
flower patterns such as chrysanthenum for Delft or forget-me-nots for Royal

Copenhagen? I am sure other producers tried roses.

And perhaps it may say something about the finest works of art painting?
That
if the painting had a pattern such as the symmetry of flowers that the
painting
is better. There is symmetry in the Daybreak painting but never to the
degree
of symmetry in the forget-me-not flowers on a Royal Copenhagen plate.

Now there is another form of art that seems a dimension removed from visual

art and that be music. Music is nothing to be seen or touched, but it has
alot of symmetry to music.

Like I say, I don't know where I am going with this other than to comment
on art.

Christine Gieck

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Feb 24, 2003, 7:39:23 AM2/24/03
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http://www.royalcopenhagen.com/copenhagen/search/musselmalet/

gives you a short overview about the origin and the history of the
"Musselmalet" (blue flute) pattern.

Christine

Archimedes Plutonium

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Feb 24, 2003, 5:42:34 PM2/24/03
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I did not see any history. I am guessing the pattern is that of
Forget-me-nots
flowers. And the pattern for Delft was chrysanthenum flowers.

I believe modern plastics such as the Tupperware plastics of transparent

yet unbreakable. I bet that a skilled chemical engineer with a bit of
artistry
can mold or create a Transparent and Unbreakable Plastic cups, dishes
saucers bowls and plates with the blue-flute pattern or blue-flute 1/2
lace
pattern into those plastics.

I believe the practical time of clay porcelain dinnerware is ending. And
that
factories such as Royal Copenhagen should now be moving into the
direction
of plastics with their beautiful designs.

I used to eat off of Royal Copenhagen blue flute 1/2 lace from 1964
-1979.
Sold the collection in 1979 and recently am regaining a new collection.
I notice
how fragile and weak and small are the handles, especially on cups.
Cannot
even put my baby-finger into the handle opening. The beauty of RC
remains,
but its practical use is rapidly fading away.

In our modern world, we need a plastic artisan craft to replace the clay
porcelain.
We keep the beautiful design of Royal Copenhagen blue flute 1/2 lace but
we
engineer and craft that design into plastics. Unbreakable, microwave
safe.

Who knows, perhaps a transparent plastic dish with blue flute 1/2 lace
maybe
even more spectacularly beautiful than the white glazed RC clay
porcelain.

Archimedes Plutonium

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Feb 26, 2003, 3:19:38 AM2/26/03
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Christine Gieck wrote:

Yes, thanks I found a history on that reference given. And I do not
believe
the pattern is appropriately based on "chrysanthemums" because they are
too small. I would think they more appropriately fit "forget-me-nots" or

"lobelia".

Also read their page on dating. And I would like to advise all artists
of the
world that when they sign a piece they ought to include, name and date.
A
coding pattern of an underline to indicate date maybe a saving in time
and
space but it should not be that much of a saving or time spent in making
a
mark such as "1950". And if Royal Copenhagen is going to use 3 wavy
lines as their company signature, then either eliminate the words "Royal

Copenhagen" or the 3 wavy lines. Both are not needed when one suffices.
I prefer the Royal Copenhagen name rather than the 3 wavy lines. And
the artisan of a piece can initial his/her work. So three items on the
bottom
of Royal Copenhagen, AP, 1950.

This should be standard necessary practice of all art pieces. Maker,
artist,
and year made.

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