Did LIGO Kill Quantum Mechanics?

[Pentcho Valev]

Unless one is insane, one cannot believe in quantum mechanics and at the same time hail LIGO's "discovery" of gravitational waves. Simply because if gravitational waves, a manifestation of space-time bending caused by matter, do exist, quantum mechanics is just wrong:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20727721.200-rethinking-einstein-the-end-of-spacetime.html
"Rethinking Einstein: The end of space-time (...) The stumbling block lies with their conflicting views of space and time. As seen by quantum theory, space and time are a static backdrop against which particles move. In Einstein's theories, by contrast, not only are space and time inextricably linked, but the resulting space-time is moulded by the bodies within it. (...) Something has to give in this tussle between general relativity and quantum mechanics, and the smart money says that it's relativity that will be the loser."

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/early/2015/08/05/science.aac6498
"In Einstein's general theory of relativity, time depends locally on gravity; in standard quantum theory, time is global - all clocks "tick" uniformly."

http://fqxi.org/community/articles/display/205
"If you'd asked Einstein, he would have told you that time is another dimension, much like the three dimensions of space. Together they knit together to create a spacetime fabric that pervades the universe. This notion of time as a dynamic, flexible dimension forms the basis of his immensely successful general theory of relativity, which explains how gravity manifests on cosmic scales as matter warps spacetime. On the other hand, however, the equally celebrated theory of quantum mechanics, which governs the nanoscale behavior of atoms and subatomic particles, says that time is unaffected by the presence of matter, serving as an absolute background reference clock against which motion can be measured."

Pentcho Valev

[Rupert]

On Saturday, March 5, 2016 at 6:10:23 PM UTC+1, Pentcho Valev wrote:
> Unless one is insane, one cannot believe in quantum mechanics and at the same time hail LIGO's "discovery" of gravitational waves.

Actually, you are mistaken on this point. I believe that LIGO are probably accurately reporting the observation that they made of a gravitational signal, and I also believe the quantum mechanics is extremely successful at predicting the probability distributions for outcomes of experiments. And I'm of reasonably sound mind. So I'm living proof that your statement is mistaken.

[Dan Christensen]

On Saturday, March 5, 2016 at 12:10:23 PM UTC-5, Pentcho Valev wrote:
> Unless one...


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[Pentcho Valev]

https://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/research/conferences/convergence/roundtable-discussion-questions/what-are-lessons-quantum
Perimeter Institute: "Quantum mechanics has one thing, time, which is absolute. But general relativity tells us that space and time are both dynamical so there is a big contradiction there. So the question is, can quantum gravity be formulated in a context where quantum mechanics still has absolute time? Or does time have to give. The answer, yes or no, is interesting. If the answer is no, then perhaps some experiment can probe whether or not time is absolute?"

The experiment is already a fact: Gravitational waves discovered by LIGO showed that "space and time are both dynamical" so quantum mechanics in its present version will have to be discarded. Unless... LIGO's discovery is a fraud.

Pentcho Valev

[Rupert]

It is not exactly news that it is still an open problem how to reconcile quantum mechanics with general relativity, and that really gives no rational warrant at all for believing that the claims of detection of gravitational signals are fraudulent.

[Pentcho Valev]

The LIGO system is fraudulent by design:

http://beforeitsnews.com/space/2016/02/gravitational-wave-dicosvery-fraud-or-real-scientists-leave-device-running-unattended-as-they-head-to-hotel-2496320.html
"The LIGO team includes a small group of people whose job is to create blind injections—bogus evidence of a gravitational wave—as a way of keeping the scientists on their toes. Although everyone knew who the four people in that group were, “we didn’t know what, when, or whether,” Gabriela González, the collaboration’s spokeswoman, said. During Initial LIGO’s final run, in 2010, the detectors picked up what appeared to be a strong signal. The scientists analyzed it intensively for six months, concluding that it was a gravitational wave from somewhere in the constellation of Canis Major. Just before they submitted their results for publication, however, they learned that the signal was a fake. This time through, the blind-injection group swore that they had nothing to do with the signal. Marco Drago thought that their denials might also be part of the test, but Reitze, himself a member of the quartet, had a different concern. “My worry was—and you can file this under the fact that we are just paranoid cautious about making a false claim—could somebody have done this maliciously?” he said. “Could somebody have somehow faked a signal in our detector that we didn’t know about?” Reitze, Weiss, González, and a handful of others considered who, if anyone, was familiar enough with both the apparatus and the algorithms to have spoofed the system and covered his or her tracks. There were only four candidates, and none of them had a plausible motive."

The Nobel prize was not a motive? The 2010 event was a dress rehearsal; the premiere took place recently:

http://motls.blogspot.bg/2016/02/ligo-journal-servers-behind-scenes.html
Luboš Motl: " On September 9th, the LIGO folks were already convinced that they would discover the waves soon. Some of them were thinking what they would buy for the Nobel prize and all of them had to make an online vote about the journal where the discovery should be published. It has to be Physical Review Letters because PRL (published by the APS) is the best journal for the Nobel-prize-caliber papers, the LIGO members decided. Five days later, Advanced LIGO made the discovery. Four more days later, as you know, they officially started Advanced LIGO. ;-) "

Pentcho Valev

[Ross A. Finlayson]

But, Pentcho, if they hadn't run the experiment long
enough, then the result would be an improbable six
or seven sigma, and would be expected to fill the logs
daily.

Sometimes you can really "learn" somebody who really
"knows" statistics.

[Pentcho Valev]

Einsteinians sing in abandon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=degD69wnZcY
Sponsored by Perimeter Institute: "All you GR haters you were wrong -ong -ong. LIGO feels when space is rippling through with a wave of gravitation. LIGO feels that space is rippling through. Can you feel the excitation? LIGO's view of space is rippling through our collective imagination."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuxFXHircaI
Michio Kaku, Brian Cox, Neil deGrasse Tyson, Brian Greene, Lisa Randall: "Light travels at the same speed no matter how you look at it. No matter how I move relative to you light travels at the same speed. No matter who is doing the measurement and no matter what direction you are moving the speed of light is the same. The speed of light is the same no matter what direction or how fast... As you travel faster time slows down. Everything slows down. Everything slows down. Time slows down when you move. Time passes at a different rate. Clocks run slow. It's a monumental shift in how we see the world. It's a beautiful piece of science. It's a beautifully elegant theory. It's a beautiful piece of science. It's a beautiful piece..."

Sometimes, very rarely, sad poetry can be heard from Perimeter Institute:

http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/09/05/perimeter-institute-and-the-crisis-in-modern-physics/
Neil Turok: "It's the ultimate catastrophe: that theoretical physics has led to this crazy situation where the physicists are utterly confused and seem not to have any predictions at all."

Pentcho Valev

[Ross A. Finlayson]

On Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 7:29:54 AM UTC-8, Pentcho Valev wrote:
>
> http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/09/05/perimeter-institute-and-the-crisis-in-modern-physics/
> Neil Turok: "It's the ultimate catastrophe: that theoretical physics has led to this crazy situation where the physicists are utterly confused and seem not to have any predictions at all."
>
> Pentcho Valev

Turok's recent presentation was quite insightful and
quite well done. Pay attention, Turok's a serious nerd.

We're going to keep the useful parts of string theory.

Heh, light speed _is_ a constant, among the running constants.

Science is recently figuring out that in matters of scale
and gauge, that the constants are in ratios, "running constants".

What we have here is an SU^N gauge theory, for the space terms,
and QCD with technicolour, unifying the strong nuclear force
with gravity as fall gravity, for force unification, and otherwise
and generally the accommodation of a post-Hubble, post-Heisenberg,
post-Higgs real mathematical physics (and scientifically).

To regain power, you throw out Hubble and Le Maitre and rebuild
the theory with both Big Bang and Steady State, then you throw
out Heisenberg and MWI for measurement and observation as of effect,
then throw out Higgs and contradictions in terms for real particles:
with the real atom mediating the gravity and strong nuclear force.

The universe isn't growing it's just bigger. minus Hubble
The particle isn't imprecise it's just finer. minus Heisenberg
The theory's constants don't diverge, they run together. minus Higgs


These are schools of men.

[Pentcho Valev]

http://www.thenational.ae/arts-life/the-review/why-albert-einstein-continues-to-make-waves-as-black-holes-collide#full
"It was, said the director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, which has invested US$1 billion (Dh3.67bn) in the project, "one of history's greatest scientific discoveries". Cue unquestioning celebratory headlines around the world. In the ensuing excitement, even US president Barack Obama found time to Tweet "Einstein was right!". Only, he wasn't. Einstein believed in neither gravitational waves nor black holes. While there are few theoretical or experimental physicists who would dispute Einstein's immense significance to their field - his 1915 general theory of relativity nailed gravity and is the foundation of all modern astrophysics - a handful of scientists outside the Ligo magic circle have expressed scepticism about the discovery."

Pentcho Valev

[Pentcho Valev]

http://www.thenational.ae/arts-life/the-review/why-albert-einstein-continues-to-make-waves-as-black-holes-collide#full
"On September 16, 2010, a false signal - a so-called "blind injection" - was fed into both the Ligo and Virgo systems as part of an exercise to "test ... detection capabilities". At the time, the vast majority of the hundreds of scientists working on the equipment had no idea that they were being fed a dummy signal.

The truth was not revealed until March the following year, by which time several papers about the supposed sensational discovery of gravitational waves were poised for publication.

"While the scientists were disappointed that the discovery was not real, the success of the analysis was a compelling demonstration of the collaboration's readiness to detect gravitational waves," Ligo reported at the time.

But take a look at the visualisation (www.ligo.org/news/blind-injection.php) of the faked signal, says Dr Kiriushcheva, and compare it to the image apparently showing the collision of the twin black holes, seen on the second page of the recently-published discovery paper (tinyurl.com/h3wkvmo).

"They look very, very similar," she says. "It means that they knew exactly what they wanted to get and this is suspicious for us: when you know what you want to get from science, usually you can get it."

The apparent similarity is more curious because the faked event purported to show not a collision between two black holes, but the gravitational waves created by a neutron star spiralling into a black hole. The signals appear so similar, in fact, that Dr Kiriushcheva questions whether the "true" signal might actually have been an echo of the fake, "stored in the computer system from when they turned off the equipment five years before"."

Pentcho Valev

[Ross A. Finlayson]

Much like the parallel postulate or axiom of choice,
from geometry and foundations in mathematics respectively,
that these theoretical concerns of Hubble, Heisenberg, and
Higgs are separable and reversible from the rest of the
relevant theories (of Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, and Einstein),
is a telling observation that modern physicists should appreciate
and understand.