Why animal products promote cancer - get to know your enemy!

[Taka]

http://donmatesz.blogspot.jp/2012/03/arachidonic-acid-and-breast-prostate.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18343442

http://www.pnas.org/content/95/22/13182.full

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2007/feb2007_cover_prostate_01.htm

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Remember the Mt. Athos monks - they have no source of arachidonic acid
in their diet ...

Taka

[Unknown]

more omega3 sources, less veggie oil sources. Moderation in other animal
products.

[John H. Gohde]

On May 15, 12:22 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://donmatesz.blogspot.jp/2012/03/arachidonic-acid-and-breast-pros...

>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18343442
>
> http://www.pnas.org/content/95/22/13182.full
>
> http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2007/feb2007_cover_prostate_01.htm
>
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>
> Remember the Mt. Athos monks - they have no source of arachidonic acid
> in their diet ...
>
> Taka

Dr. T. Colin Campbell in a tiny appendix in the very back of his China
Study book claims that the consumption of meat increases your body's
need for vitamin D.

See, Taka, there is a Vitamin D connection in everything. :)

[Taka]

On May 16, 2:53 am, vitty guy wrote:
> more omega3 sources, less veggie oil sources.  Moderation in other animal
> products.

You did not read the linked Blog:

Some data also suggests that fish oils may promote cancer metastases
more potently than safflower oil:

"Rats were kept on either a low-fat diet or on a fish oil (omega-3
PUFAs) or safflower oil (omega-6 PUFAs) diet for 3 weeks before the
administration of colon cancer cells to the portal vein, until they
were sacrificed at 1 or 3 weeks after tumor transplantation. At 1 week
after transplantation, the fish oil diet had induced 7-fold more
metastases (in terms of number and size) than had the low-fat diet,
whereas the safflower oil diet had not affected the number and total
volume of metastases. At 3 weeks after tumor transplantation, the fish
oil diet and the safflower oil diet had induced, respectively, 10- and
4-fold more metastases (number) and over 1000- and 500-fold more
metastases (size) than were found in the livers of rats on the low-fat
diet."

"PUFAs are incorporated into the membranes of both cancer cells and
normal cells, altering their physical and functional properties (30,
39), which may interfere seriously with immunological surveillance
against cancer cells. Furthermore, n-3 PUFA supplementation decreases
cytokine production (40) and MHC class II expression on the cell
surface of antigen-presenting macrophages (41, 42), thus interfering
with the immune response (43, 44)."

Eating food rich in n-3 fats (fish oils) would also depress cytokine
production and MHC class II expression on the cell surface of antigen-
presenting macrophages, also reducing the effectiveness of immune-
system control of malignant cells.

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/58/15/3312.long

[John H. Gohde]

I like the original Subject better. :)

[Taka]

Prostaglandins such as PGE2 work on many fronts, immunosuppression
like helminth or ticks as well as epigenetics disabling DNA repair and
oncosuppressors:

http://www.lipidmaps.org/update/2009/090624/full/lipidmaps.2009.14.html

http://www.nature.com/nm/journal/v18/n2/full/nm.2608.html

http://www.bioscience.org/1997/v2/d/fischer/fishcer.pdf

Taka

[John H. Gohde]

Ditto!

[Unknown]

> > Remember the Mt. Athos monks - they have no source of arachidonic acid
> > in their diet ...

Their bodies produce it, it is required for good health. They are after
all "red meat" themselves, no?

[Taka]

Body produces it from linoleic acid which they restrict in their diet
- just little olive oil which is a poor source of it. Red meat can
put more arachidonic acid into your body than it needs (except if you
are a bodybuilder - see the X-factor). And they burn any tiny amounts
of it in quadriceps while climbing the mountains daily. Compare this
to the modern western population gulping huge amounts of linoleic acid
rich seed oils down their throats daily while sitting at the
computers, in cars or at the front front of TV.

X-Factor:
http://www.molecularnutrition.net/news_story_1.html

[John H. Gohde]

Dr. T. Colin Campbell in a tiny appendix in the very back of his China
Study book claims that the consumption of meat increases your body's
need for vitamin D.

I think accordingly that Taka needs to live on more vitamin D before
the rest of his brain rots.

[Unknown]

> > > Remember the Mt. Athos monks - they have no source of arachidonic

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> > > in their diet ...
>

> Their bodies produce it, it is required for good health. =A0They are
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> all "red meat" themselves, no?

"Body produces it from linoleic acid which they restrict in their diet -
just little olive oil which is a poor source of it."

How do you know their diet? Olive oil is except for fastingdays consumed
at almost every meal. They are red meat too, no?

"Red meat can put more arachidonic acid into your body than it needs
(except if you are a bodybuilder - see the X-factor). And they burn any
tiny amounts of it in quadriceps while climbing the mountains daily.
Compare this to the modern western population gulping huge amounts of
linoleic acid rich seed oils down their throats daily while sitting at the
computers, in cars or at the front front of TV."

Again, how do you know anything about the life of the monks? For the few
cultures which have veggie alone diets, or close to it, the plant derived
oils is a huge source, they might as well eat meat in that case.

Humans need it for good health, after all all of us are red meat, no?

[Taka]

On May 21, 11:54 pm, vitty guy wrote:
> > > > Remember the Mt. Athos monks - they have no source of arachidonic
>
> aci=
> d> > > in their diet ...
>
> > Their bodies produce it, it is required for good health. =A0They are
>
> afte=
> r
>
> > all "red meat" themselves, no?
>
> "Body produces it from linoleic acid which they restrict in their diet -
> just little olive oil which is a poor source of it."
>
> How do you know their diet?  Olive oil is except for fastingdays consumed
> at almost every meal.  They are red meat too, no?

Nope, read the articles. Only fish consumed once per week. Olive oil
is every other day. FYI Japanese don't count fish as a meat in their
diet!

You may also look up Monty's great grandparents who lived to 100+
while consuming only olive oil. They got the Mead acid instead of
Arachidonic acid in their bodies ...

> "Red meat can put more arachidonic acid into your body than it needs
> (except if you are a bodybuilder - see the X-factor).  And they burn any
> tiny amounts of it in quadriceps while climbing the mountains daily.
> Compare this to the modern western population gulping huge amounts of
> linoleic acid rich seed oils down their throats daily while sitting at the
> computers, in cars or at the front front of TV."
>
> Again, how do you know anything about the life of the monks?  For the few
> cultures which have veggie alone diets, or close to it, the plant derived
> oils is a huge source, they might as well eat meat in that case.

Yes, plant derived seed oils (except the olive, coconut and palm oils)
are huge source of Omega-6 but not Arachidonic acid. If the body gets
linoleic acid only it converts it to the Arachidonic acid on demand,
i.e. it makes only as much as it needs. On the other hand meat diet
can put more Arachidonic acid into the body than are its needs. It's
like taking the already activated form of VitD which is normally made
by the kidney from its precursor VitD3 on demand. Read Peskin and his
PEO approach to the EFAs ... That's being said, if the body gets
Omega-6 only it makes Arachidonic acid only which is also bad. It
needs to balance it with the Omega-3 EPA as well as the Omega-9 Mead
acid for optimal health. This is hard to achieve with the modern diet
and lifestyle.

> Humans need it for good health, after all all of us are red meat, no?

Don't forget that the human red meat can also run on the Mead acid ...

Taka

[John H. Gohde]

On May 15, 12:22 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://donmatesz.blogspot.jp/2012/03/arachidonic-acid-and-breast-pros...
>

Dr. T. Colin Campbell in a tiny appendix in the very back of his China
Study book claims that the consumption of meat increases your body's
need for vitamin D.