Dušan is going to be famous
Abdullah Konushevci
Arnavud asks:
> Could somebody provide explanation
> about Gon Bel Gon theory ?
> What does it mean ?
Absolutely nothing. A fellow named Dus^an Vukotic believes
that all of IE is somehow derivable from about four
syllables, two of which are BEL and GON. It's a bizarre
mixture of mysticism, unsystematic and very vague sound
similarities, and free association of ideas. You can get an
idea from these posts:
<http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/43447>
<http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/43089>
He also posted extensively to the Usenet group sci.lang; one
of the more detailed posts is here:
<http://groups.google.com/group/sci.lang/msg/ec92a35723eac311>
Brian
Dušan Vukotic
wrote:
First, it is Xur-Bel-Gon theory (HSF /Human Speech Formula/). Second,
does Brainy not find it hideous to reprobate my ideas on
Cyba_Cave_List, a forum I was banned from a long time ago?
Interesting, he dares not to start a serious debate with me on
sci.lang but he is ready to yelp at me while protected by "moderate"
cave-slave-warders.
DV
yangg
But never mind,
Could you please explain your xur-bel-gon theory ?
Please avoid emotionalist over-load.
Please be descriptive.
Arnaud.
mb
> Please notice I am Arnaud, not ArnaVud,
> But never mind,
> Arnaud.
Not really "never mind". As you may be aware, it is highly relevant to
Dushan's special resentment of Abdullah. AlBanós (gk, Albanian)>
Arvanós > Arvanítis > Arna'ut (tr, w/ reg. postnasal rounding and
metathesis) > Arnavut sometimes also transcribed as Arnavud or Arnaud.
Dušan Vukotic
As first, you missed the target, because I was not the one who wrote
your name wrongly. It was not I who tried to (re)baptise you but it
was your Cyba-Cave-List "comrade" Abdullah Konushevci.
Second, although I am not as fragile as it may look from the
unreachable hights of the Merciful Angel's air-fighters, thanks for
worrying about my emotional well-being. ;-)
Xur-Bel Gon theory is based on the names of the three most ancient
sungods (Sur, Hor and Bel) and the primeval Gon syllable, which is
denoting any kind of movement, either mental or physical. In fact, Xur-
Bel-Gon is a source and a generator of the development of IE languages
and a possible wellspring of the human speech in general.
In short, Xur-Bel-Gon is the nucleus from which any IE word came into
existence. If you find yourself at the source of the river, it is not
difficult to follow its stream, its confluences, effluences,
tributaries and any other river branches. Otherwise, if you find
yourself somewhere at a heavily branched estuary you can spend the
whole life without finding that what you are looking for (you know the
story about Livingston, the Lualaba River and the river Nile). :-)
If you really want to know how the Xur-Bel-Gon wellspring is
functioning just choose an IE word and watch its journey from the time
it were delivered form the Xur-Bel-Gon womb until to these modern
days...
DV
yangg
> Xur-Bel Gon theory is based on the names of the three most ancient
> sungods (Sur, Hor and Bel) and the primeval Gon syllable, which is
> denoting any kind of movement, either mental or physical. In fact, Xur-
> Bel-Gon is a source and a generator of the development of IE languages
> and a possible wellspring of the human speech in general.
I suppose you are aware that :
Bel is actually ba?al (master not sun-god)
Hor is actually Ha:r (Egyptian word)
I cannot see the connection between Xur and the rest.
And what is Gon supposed to be ?
And what about Sur ?
How do you generate the wellspring of human speech
from something that is already developed ?
Arnaud
Dušan Vukotic
Unbelivable! How many times a have to say that I do not hate anyone. A
few days ago I wrote "long live Albania!" and I really love and
respect that people as I love and respect my Serbian or any other
nation in the world.
This parallel between the personal name Arnaud and Arnavut (Turkish
name for an Albanian) would have never crossed my mind, especially not
with some negative connotation. I suppose Arnaud is just one of the
forms of the names as Arnold, Ronald, Arnault etc...
DV
mb
> On Dec 28, 7:28 pm, mb <azyth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 28, 5:26 am, yangg <fournet.arn...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
> > > Please notice I am Arnaud, not ArnaVud,
> > > But never mind,
> > ...
> > > Arnaud.
>
> > Not really "never mind". As you may be aware, it is highly relevant to
> > Dushan's special resentment of Abdullah. AlBanós (gk, Albanian)>
> > Arvanós > Arvanítis > Arna'ut (tr, w/ reg. postnasal rounding and
> > metathesis) > Arnavut sometimes also transcribed as Arnavud or Arnaud.
>
> Unbelivable! How many times a have to say that I do not hate anyone. A
> few days ago I wrote "long live Albania!" and I really love and
> respect that people as I love and respect my Serbian or any other
> nation in the world.
Very commendable, I'm sure.
The reference is not to hate, love or nations but to your often-
expressed theories of language.
> This parallel between the personal name Arnaud and Arnavut (Turkish
> name for an Albanian) would have never crossed my mind,
Not even when it happens to be misspellt Arnavud? I certainly couldn't
spot it before the correction.
> I suppose Arnaud is just one of the
> forms of the names as Arnold, Ronald, Arnault etc...
You suppose well (except for Ronald, which would be Rögnvaldr /
Ragnald).
Dušan Vukotic
> How do you generate the wellspring of human speech
> from something that is already developed ?
If Sartre were alive and if he saw your above question he would
probably yell: "to be a man means trying to be God...!"
What is wrong with you?
I never said that I generated the wellspring of human speech.
Can you not read?
> Bel is actually ba?al (master not sun-god)
Before we continue our debate, I suggest you to find and consult some
good books on mythology.
DV
Dušan Vukotic
> On Dec 28, 11:51 am, "Dušan Vukotic" <dusan.vuko...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 28, 7:28 pm, mb <azyth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 28, 5:26 am, yangg <fournet.arn...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
> > > > Please notice I am Arnaud, not ArnaVud,
> > > > But never mind,
> > > ...
> > > > Arnaud.
>
> > > Not really "never mind". As you may be aware, it is highly relevant to
> > > Dushan's special resentment of Abdullah. AlBanós (gk, Albanian)>
> > > Arvanós > Arvanítis > Arna'ut (tr, w/ reg. postnasal rounding and
> > > metathesis) > Arnavut sometimes also transcribed as Arnavud or Arnaud.
>
> > Unbelivable! How many times a have to say that I do not hate anyone. A
> > few days ago I wrote "long live Albania!" and I really love and
> > respect that people as I love and respect my Serbian or any other
> > nation in the world.
>
> Very commendable, I'm sure.
> The reference is not to hate, love or nations but to your often-
> expressed theories of language.
What is your point? Be precise. I have allways tried to stay away from
politics and, naturally, my Xur-Bel-Gon theory has nothing to do with
neither love nor hatred.
> > This parallel between the personal name Arnaud and Arnavut (Turkish
> > name for an Albanian) would have never crossed my mind,
>
> Not even when it happens to be misspellt Arnavud? I certainly couldn't
> spot it before the correction.
Have you not yet seen that I did not misspelled Arnaud's name (it was
Abdullah's error); as for my side, there's nothing to be corrected.
DV
mb
> On Dec 28, 9:21 pm, mb <azyth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > Arvanós > Arvanítis > Arna'ut (tr, w/ reg. postnasal rounding and
> > > > metathesis)
[Erratum: postlabial rounding, of course]
> > Very commendable, I'm sure.
> > The reference is not to hate, love or nations but to your often-
> > expressed theories of language.
>
> What is your point? Be precise. I have allways tried to stay away from
> politics and, naturally, my Xur-Bel-Gon theory has nothing to do with
> neither love nor hatred.
Who said it has?
Yusuf B Gursey
Sh.. Sami (himself albanian) has <a:rna:'ud>, i.e.arnaud for 1901
ottoman turkish.
Dušan Vukotic
Sami probably used Serbian (or janissarian) pronunciation - Arnaut/
Arnavut.
Arnavut is probably the metathesised word Arbanati, Arbani (Arbanati
=> Arvanati => Arnavati/Arnavuti; cf. Arbëreshë in Italia (from
Arbanash).
DV
mb
> Sh.. Sami (himself albanian) has <a:rna:'ud>, i.e.arnaud for 1901
> ottoman turkish.
Thanks. An unvoiced final would have been surprising.
Dušan Vukotic
>
> - Show quoted text -
Azerbaijani province of Nagorno-Karabah was once a part of Caucasian
Albania;
Does anyone know what is the meaning of "karabah"; maybe K/Arabah =>
Arbenia = Armenia (Albania)? The name of Azerbaijan (A/h/erbain) seems
to be fitting into the above scheme too.
Might it be that all these peoples originated fro the same Altaic/
Turkic nucleus?
Kara-bakh (black garden; Tukish bahçe garden); cf. Turkish Kara-dag
(Black Mountain).
"Kara" seems to be a word universally accepted for "fire" ,
"burning" (Turkmen garalmak burn) "darknes" and hence the Serbian
werb goreti (burn) and adjective garav (dark), cf. Serb. gar soot
(Turkish kurum; Eng. char).
Turkish dag (mountain) could be compared to Serbian denjak (heap) and
Turkish dunja/luk appeared to be equal to Serbian zemlja (earth; from
hen/b/la, Greek χαμαιγενής earth-born = Serb. zemaljski, zemni earth-
born, Serb. MN Homolje).
Taking in a serious consideration this short (above) analysis we could
bring a conclusion that even Altaic languages (beside IE and Semitic)
originated from the same Xur-Bel-Gon wellspring.
DV
mb
...
> Taking in a serious consideration this short (above) analysis we could
> bring a conclusion that even Altaic languages (beside IE and Semitic)
> originated from the same Xur-Bel-Gon wellspring.
Sure, with enough religion behind it you can conclude anything on any
language you know jackshit of.
Dušan Vukotić
Do not worry! I did not expect you to understand what I was aiming
at.
I suppose you are a young man (probably an adolescent) and a plenty of
time is ahead of you... just do not get tired ;-)
DV
Yusuf B Gursey
dunya is from arabic dunya: "near, lower" meaning the material world
as opposed to the Hearafter
dunyaluk is non-existent
> hen/b/la, Greek χαμαιγενής earth-born = Serb. zemaljski, zemni earth-
> born, Serb. MN Homolje).
>
> Taking in a serious consideration this short (above) analysis we could
> bring a conclusion that even Altaic languages (beside IE and Semitic)
> originated from the same Xur-Bel-Gon wellspring.
>
Yusuf B Gursey
du"nya in turkish
Dušan Vukotić
> > Turkish dag (mountain) could be compared to Serbian denjak (heap) and
> > Turkish dunja/luk appeared to be equal to Serbian zemlja (earth; from
>
> dunya is from arabic dunya: "near, lower" meaning the material world
> as opposed to the Hearafter
>
> dunyaluk is non-existent
I know. There is the word dunjaluk (world) in Serbian... a loanword
from Arabic, via Turkish dunja. As you see, I wrote "dunja/luk" :-)
DV
Yusuf B Gursey
> On Dec 29, 8:07 pm, Yusuf B Gursey <y...@theworld.com> wrote:
>
> > > Turkish dag (mountain) could be compared to Serbian denjak (heap) and
> > > Turkish dunja/luk appeared to be equal to Serbian zemlja (earth; from
>
> > dunya is from arabic dunya: "near, lower" meaning the material world
> > as opposed to the Hearafter
>
> > dunyaluk is non-existent
>
> I know. There is the word dunjaluk (world) in Serbian... a loanword
du"myalIk would mean "pertaining to the world" but it is not used.
> from Arabic, via Turkish dunja. As you see, I wrote "dunja/luk" :-)
>
> DV
.k
Dušan Vukotić
In Serbian it followed the same patern as in Turkish paşalık (area
ruled by a pasha, pashalik; Serbian pašaluk): -luk, -lak, -lok are
Serbian suffixes and they have meaning 'form" (from Serbian ob-lik
figure, shape, mold, model).
DV
Yusuf B Gursey
> On Dec 29, 9:01 pm, Yusuf B Gursey <y...@theworld.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 29, 2:35 pm, "Du¹an Vukotiæ" <dusan.vuko...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 29, 8:07 pm, Yusuf B Gursey <y...@theworld.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Turkish dag (mountain) could be compared to Serbian denjak (heap) and
> > > > > Turkish dunja/luk appeared to be equal to Serbian zemlja (earth; from
>
> > > > dunya is from arabic dunya: "near, lower" meaning the material world
> > > > as opposed to the Hearafter
>
> > > > dunyaluk is non-existent
>
> > > I know. There is the word dunjaluk (world) in Serbian... a loanword
>
> > du"myalIk would mean "pertaining to the world" but it is not used.
>
> > > from Arabic, via Turkish dunja. As you see, I wrote "dunja/luk" :-)
>
> > > DV
>
> > .k
>
> ruled by a pasha, pashalik; Serbian pašaluk): -luk, -lak, -lok are
> Serbian suffixes and they have meaning 'form" (from Serbian ob-lik
> figure, shape, mold, model).
>
the suffixes existed in turkic way before contact with serbian
Paul J Kriha
news:34b5c163-d5e8-459f...@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
>On Dec 29, 4:34 pm, "Dušan Vukotić" <dusan.vuko...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 29, 9:01 pm, Yusuf B Gursey <y...@theworld.com> wrote:
>> > On Dec 29, 2:35 pm, "Du¹an Vukotiæ" <dusan.vuko...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > On Dec 29, 8:07 pm, Yusuf B Gursey <y...@theworld.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > > Turkish dag (mountain) could be compared to Serbian denjak (heap) and
>> > > > > Turkish dunja/luk appeared to be equal to Serbian zemlja (earth; from
>>
>> > > > dunya is from arabic dunya: "near, lower" meaning the material world
>> > > > as opposed to the Hearafter
>>
>> > > > dunyaluk is non-existent
>>
>> > > I know. There is the word dunjaluk (world) in Serbian... a loanword
>> > du"myalIk would mean "pertaining to the world" but it is not used.
>> > > from Arabic, via Turkish dunja. As you see, I wrote "dunja/luk" :-)
>> > > DV
>>
>> ruled by a pasha, pashalik; Serbian pašaluk): -luk, -lak, -lok are
>> Serbian suffixes and they have meaning 'form" (from Serbian ob-lik
>> figure, shape, mold, model).
>>
>
>the suffixes existed in turkic way before contact with serbian
Which is to be expected since -luk, -lak, -lok are not Slavic suffixes.
-uk, -ak, -ok, -ek, -ik could be, but not -lxx.
pjk
Dušan Vukotić
wrote:
> "Yusuf B Gursey" <y...@theworld.com> wrote in messagenews:34b5c163-d5e8-459f...@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
>
> - Show quoted text -
I said Serbian not Slavic: kukavič-luk, sebič-luk, lopov-luk, kurvan-
luk, kukuruz-ljika, pupo-ljak, prdu-ljak, smrdu-ljak, etc.
Maybe under Turkish influence: kazandži-luk, dunja-luk, paša.luk
DV
Yusuf B Gursey
wrote:
> "Yusuf B Gursey" <y...@theworld.com> wrote in messagenews:34b5c163-d5e8-459f...@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
-luk seems to be from turkish, dunno about the others
> -uk, -ak, -ok, -ek, -ik could be, but not -lxx.
> pjk- Hide quoted text -
mb
...
> Do not worry! I did not expect you to understand what I was aiming
> at.
You should worry. You explained in this thread that you don't
understand what you are aiming at.
Paul J Kriha
news:66bf14dc-b09a-4bf2...@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>On Dec 30, 2:01 am, "Paul J Kriha" <paul.nospam.kr...@paradise.net.nz>
>wrote:
>> "Yusuf B Gursey" <y...@theworld.com> wrote in
Some of them could be borrowed from Turkish BUT they would
not (generally) exist in other Slavic subfamilies. It's extremely
unlikely that similar(or identical) constructs in other Slavic
languages were borrowed from the same source, especially
when the stems are clearly Slavic and the suffixes like -luk, -lak,
-lok, can be easily analysed as -l- (verbal past tense suffix)
plus highly productive masculine nouning/augmentising/
diminutising/adjectivising/etc suffixes.
For example smrduljak is quite clearly s-mrdu-l-jak.
Or it could be analysed as s-mrd-u-l-jak.
pjk
>DV
Paul J Kriha
>On Dec 29, 8:01 pm, "Paul J Kriha" <paul.nospam.kr...@paradise.net.nz>
>wrote:
>> "Yusuf B Gursey" <y...@theworld.com> wrote in
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Dec 29, 4:34 pm, "Dušan Vukotić" <dusan.vuko...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Dec 29, 9:01 pm, Yusuf B Gursey <y...@theworld.com> wrote:
>> >> > On Dec 29, 2:35 pm, "Du¹an Vukotiæ" <dusan.vuko...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > On Dec 29, 8:07 pm, Yusuf B Gursey <y...@theworld.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > > > > Turkish dag (mountain) could be compared to Serbian denjak (heap) and
>> >> > > > > Turkish dunja/luk appeared to be equal to Serbian zemlja (earth; from
>>
>> >> > > > dunya is from arabic dunya: "near, lower" meaning the material world
>> >> > > > as opposed to the Hearafter
>>
>> >> > > > dunyaluk is non-existent
>>
>> >> > > I know. There is the word dunjaluk (world) in Serbian... a loanword
>> >> > du"myalIk would mean "pertaining to the world" but it is not used.
>> >> > > from Arabic, via Turkish dunja. As you see, I wrote "dunja/luk" :-)
>> >> > > DV
>>
>> >> In Serbian it followed the same patern as in Turkish paþalýk (area
>> >> ruled by a pasha, pashalik; Serbian pašaluk): -luk, -lak, -lok are
>> >> Serbian suffixes and they have meaning 'form" (from Serbian ob-lik
>> >> figure, shape, mold, model).
>>
>> >the suffixes existed in turkic way before contact with serbian
>>
>> Which is to be expected since -luk, -lak, -lok are not Slavic suffixes.
>
> -luk seems to be from turkish, dunno about the others
Thanks, that's what I thought, Yusuf.
It would be interesting to see feminine and neuter versions
of the above Serbian words. I bet they would show
the above -lxx "Turkish" suffixes as Sl. -l- plus Sl.masculine -xx.
pjk
Dušan Vukotić
wrote:
> "Dušan Vukotić" <dusan.vuko...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:66bf14dc-b09a-4bf2...@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com...>On Dec 30, 2:01 am, "Paul J Kriha" <paul.nospam.kr...@paradise.net.nz>
> >wrote:
> >> "Yusuf B Gursey" <y...@theworld.com> wrote in
>
No Kriha, I was joking. The -luk sufix comes from -ligna/-legna or
Slavic -ljenje/-lene and is common among Slavic an Gemanic
languages; sibling, coup-ling, Schmetter-ling: in Romance it is -
glie, -glia and similar; Ita. conchiglie (mussels), bavaglio (gag);
cf. Czech vytvořite-lný is in Serbian stvara-lački; but stvorenje
(creature) is almost the same as in Czech stvoření; from stvor(l)enje,
stvar(l)anja, ostvarilo se (it has been created)... Slavic proto
suffix -legna comes from the Ur-basis Bel-Gon; i.e from oblik, lik
(lice, form), Czech obličej (face)
If you are fluent in some of the Slavic languages (I think you are)
you are going to understand where the word smrduljak (smrad stink,
stench; smrduljak is a diminutive of smrad /a small stench/) is coming
from. I will only tell you that the Slavic word smrad is related to
the English fart (OE feortan). Can you see how? Cf. Latin merda,
French merde (shit, crap); Italian merda; Spanish murda, mierda ;-)
DV
Paul J Kriha
>On Dec 31, 2:54 am, "Paul J Kriha" <paul.nospam.kr...@paradise.net.nz>
>wrote:
>> "Dušan Vukotić" <dusan.vuko...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:66bf14dc-b09a-4bf2...@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com...>On Dec 30, 2:01 am,
>"Paul J Kriha" <paul.nospam.kr...@paradise.net.nz>
>> >wrote:
>> >> "Yusuf B Gursey" <y...@theworld.com> wrote in
>>
j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
[...]
>> >> Which is to be expected since -luk, -lak, -lok are not Slavic suffixes.
>> >> -uk, -ak, -ok, -ek, -ik could be, but not -lxx.
>>
>> >luk, kukuruz-ljika, pupo-ljak, prdu-ljak, smrdu-ljak, etc.
>>
>> >Maybe under Turkish influence: kazandži-luk, dunja-luk, paša.luk
>>
>> Some of them could be borrowed from Turkish BUT they would
>> not (generally) exist in other Slavic subfamilies. It's extremely
>> unlikely that similar(or identical) constructs in other Slavic
>> languages were borrowed from the same source, especially
>> when the stems are clearly Slavic and the suffixes like -luk, -lak,
>> -lok, can be easily analysed as -l- (verbal past tense suffix)
>> plus highly productive masculine nouning/augmentising/
>> diminutising/adjectivising/etc suffixes.
>>
>> For example smrduljak is quite clearly s-mrdu-l-jak.
>> Or it could be analysed as s-mrd-u-l-jak.
>> pjk
>
>No Kriha, I was joking. The -luk sufix comes from -ligna/-legna or
>Slavic -ljenje/-lene and is common among Slavic an Gemanic
>languages; sibling, coup-ling, Schmetter-ling: in Romance it is -
>glie, -glia and similar; Ita. conchiglie (mussels), bavaglio (gag);
>cf. Czech vytvořite-lný
Cz. "tvor" = n. creature/shape
Cz. "tvořit" = v. to create (continuous aspect)
Cz. "vytvořit" = v. to create (single action aspect)
Cz. "tvořitvat" = v. to create (repeated single action aspect)
Cz. "tvořitel" = n. creator (note the nouning suffix "-el")
Cz. "vytvořitel" = rarely used form, meaning "one-time creator"
Cz. "vytvořitelný" = a. creatable, able to be made
Again the Cz. suffix "-l-ný" has nothing to do with "-ligna/-legna".
> is in Serbian stvara-lački; but stvorenje
>(creature) is almost the same as in Czech stvoření; from stvor(l)enje,
There are and has been no "-r(l)-" in Czech or OCech, only
palatalized "-r-" because it's followed by a frontal vowel.
>stvar(l)anja, ostvarilo se (it has been created)... Slavic proto
>suffix -legna comes from the Ur-basis Bel-Gon; i.e from oblik, lik
>(lice, form), Czech obličej (face)
poppekak
>If you are fluent in some of the Slavic languages (I think you are)
>you are going to understand where the word smrduljak (smrad stink,
>stench; smrduljak is a diminutive of smrad /a small stench/) is coming
>from. I will only tell you that the Slavic word smrad is related to
>the English fart (OE feortan). Can you see how? Cf. Latin merda,
>French merde (shit, crap); Italian merda; Spanish murda, mierda ;-)
Just be careful not to confuse "smrd" or "smrad" with "mrd". :-)
pjk
>DV
Dušan Vukotić
wrote:
> >No Kriha, I was joking. The -luk sufix comes from -ligna/-legna or
> >Slavic -ljenje/-lene and is common among Slavic an Gemanic
> >languages; sibling, coup-ling, Schmetter-ling: in Romance it is -
> >glie, -glia and similar; Ita. conchiglie (mussels), bavaglio (gag);
> >cf. Czech vytvořite-lný
>
> Cz. "tvor" = n. creature/shape
> Cz. "tvořit" = v. to create (continuous aspect)
> Cz. "vytvořit" = v. to create (single action aspect)
> Cz. "tvořitvat" = v. to create (repeated single action aspect)
> Cz. "tvořitel" = n. creator (note the nouning suffix "-el")
> Cz. "vytvořitel" = rarely used form, meaning "one-time creator"
> Cz. "vytvořitelný" = a. creatable, able to be made
>
> Again the Cz. suffix "-l-ný" has nothing to do with "-ligna/-legna".
> > is in Serbian stvara-lački; but stvorenje
> >(creature) is almost the same as in Czech stvoření; from stvor(l)enje,
>
> There are and has been no "-r(l)-" in Czech or OCech, only
> palatalized "-r-" because it's followed by a frontal vowel.
>
> >stvar(l)anja, ostvarilo se (it has been created)... Slavic proto
> >suffix -legna comes from the Ur-basis Bel-Gon; i.e from oblik, lik
> >(lice, form), Czech obličej (face)
>
> poppekak
Serbian proti-vljenje (resistance, antagonism, opposition); pra-
vljenje (making, creation), ozdra-vljenje (healing), o/sta-vljanje
(leaving; but in many other Slavic words the sound l is assimilated
like in above-mentioned noun stvara-nje (creation); it appeares
differently in different kind of words: verb ostvari-vati, adjective
stvara-lački, noun ostvar-enje;
Just kombine these three suffixes -vati, -lački and -enje and you are
coming to the origial form -blHna.
In Czech you cannot follow such changes so clearly as in OCHS, Serbian
and Russian.
For instance, Russ. правильно (aright), Serb. pravilno, правильный
(correct), Czech opravitelný (correct) and Serb. pravljenje (creation,
making) Czech výroba (making), vyrobeno (made); Russ. вырабатывать,
производить (make); Serb. prizvodnja (manufacturing), porobljen
(enslaved) - all these words look as if they are too far away from
each other but in reality they are all descendants of the same Ur-
basis - or a primary agglutinated form Br-Gon-Bel-Gon.
I know you are not yet ready for a such profound thinking :-)
> >If you are fluent in some of the Slavic languages (I think you are)
> >you are going to understand where the word smrduljak (smrad stink,
> >stench; smrduljak is a diminutive of smrad /a small stench/) is coming
> >from. I will only tell you that the Slavic word smrad is related to
> >the English fart (OE feortan). Can you see how? Cf. Latin merda,
> >French merde (shit, crap); Italian merda; Spanish murda, mierda ;-)
>
> Just be careful not to confuse "smrd" or "smrad" with "mrd". :-)
> pjk
If you think of Slavic mrd (mrdati/mrdnuti move, budge) it has come
from obrtati (rotate, turn); i.e. from the nasalized form
o(m)br(g)nuti;
maybe you think of Czeh mrdat (fuck), Serbian mrkati (fuck /of
animals/); also Czech mrkat (blink, wink), Serb. mignuti (again all
from the Slavic word obrt (Czech obrtlik swivel), Serbian obruč (ring,
hoop); hence Serbian prcati/prčiti/mrčiti (fuck)
DV
yangg
So far you have not answered my questions :
I cannot see the connection between Xur and the rest.
what is Gon supposed to be ?
what is Sur ?
How does your theory generate the wellspring of human speech
from something that is already developed ?
I suppose you are aware that :
> Bel is actually ba?al-u (master not sun-god)
> Hor is actually Ha:r-uw (Egyptian word)
Mythology is not quantum physics
so I would rather have your own synthesis
than somebody's else explanation.
Thanks in advance.
> Arnaud
Dušan Vukotić
>
> - Show quoted text -
What to talk with a man who doesn't even know that mythology is the
richest and most important mine of the human wisdom? The key secrets
of human existence could be revealed only through the correct
understanding of the mythological consciousness and subconsciousness
of the human being.
Please, do not ever again underestimate mythology because everything
you know and everything you are going to find out in the future is
hidden inside the misty sphere of mythical thought.
Even the quantum physics itself!
DV