a wave of hyperkooks washing over sci.lang

[Franz Gnaedinger]

Around the turn of year a wave of hyperkooks washed over sci.lang, they
call themselves for divine beings and great scientists and are obsessed with
the ark of God and the ark of the covenenat and Allah's tabernacle allegedly
burried under the heel stone at Stonehenge. If they go on in sci.lang I shall
repeat my Stonehenge interpretation from earlier years as a calendar
sanctuary of many symbolic levels - great art, nothing mysterious.

[Isaac Newton]

Wiccan Rede - Threefold Law

Bide the Wiccan Laws we must In Perfect Love and Perfect Trust.
Live and let live. Fairly take and fairly give.
Cast the Circle thrice about to keep the evil spirits out.

To bind the spell every time let the spell be spake in rhyme.
Soft of eye and light of touch, Speak little, listen much.
Deosil go by the waxing moon, chanting out the Witches' Rune.

Widdershins go by the waning moon, chanting out the baneful rune.
When the Lady's moon is new, kiss the hand to her, times two.
When the moon rides at her peak, then your hearts desire seek.

Heed the North wind's mighty gale, lock the door and drop the sail.
When the wind comes from the South, love will kiss thee on the mouth.
When the wind blows from the West, departed souls will have no rest.

When the wind blows from the East, expect the new and set the feast.
Nine woods in the cauldron go, burn them fast and burn them slow.
Elder be the Lady's tree, burn it not or cursed you'll be.

When the Wheel begins to turn, let the Beltane fires burn.
When the Wheel has turned to Yule, light the log and the Horned One rules.
Heed ye flower, Bush and Tree, by the Lady, blessed be.

Where the rippling waters go, cast a stone and truth you'll know.
When ye have a true need, hearken not to others' greed.
With a fool no season spend, lest ye be counted as his friend.

Merry meet and merry part, bright the cheeks and warm the heart.
Mind the Threefold Law you should, three times bad and three times good.
When misfortune is enow, wear the blue star on thy brow.

True in love ever be, lest thy lover's false to thee.
Eight words the Wiccan Rede fulfill:
An ye harm none, do what ye will.

Horned One

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

On 2019-01-04 09:51:11 +0000, Franz Gnaedinger said:

> Around the turn of year a wave of hyperkooks washed over sci.lang,

Some of them, you, for example, were here long before that.

> they
> call themselves for divine beings and great scientists and are obsessed with
> the ark of God and the ark of the covenenat and Allah's tabernacle allegedly
> burried under the heel stone at Stonehenge. If they go on in sci.lang I shall
> repeat my Stonehenge interpretation from earlier years as a calendar
> sanctuary of many symbolic levels - great art, nothing mysterious.

You think that kooks are best answered with more craziness?


--
athel

[Madame Curie]

On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 4:20:33 AM UTC-6, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2019-01-04 09:51:11 +0000, Franz Gnaedinger said:
>
> > Around the turn of year a wave of hyperkooks washed over sci.lang,
>
> Some of them, you, for example, were here long before that.
>
> > they
> > call themselves for divine beings and great scientists and are obsessed with
> > the ark of God and the ark of the covenenat and Allah's tabernacle allegedly
> > burried under the heel stone at Stonehenge. If they go on in sci.lang I shall
> > repeat my Stonehenge interpretation from earlier years as a calendar
> > sanctuary of many symbolic levels - great art, nothing mysterious.

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> On Thursday, January 3, 2019 at 11:18:04 PM UTC-6, Albert Einstein wrote:
> >
> > Hawking played dice and lost
> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.atheism/vhYcBmUFI40
> >
> > God threw so many 7's in a Row today that the WinStar
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> >
> > Albert Einstein
>
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>
> Max Planck

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Player?

Madame Curie
Secretary

[Mścisław Wojna-Bojewski]

On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 11:51:12 AM UTC+2, Franz Gnaedinger wrote:
> Around the turn of year a wave of hyperkooks washed over sci.lang,

Being an ultrakook yourself, I guess you know what you are talking about.

[DKleinecke]

On the basis of style I would guess there is only one new
kook and a wheelbarrow load of aliases. Fingers crossed they
will exhaust themself and vanish.

[Galileo Galilei]

Yo AYATOLLAH Islam CUNT Ali Khamenei, TEXAS Atheists DEMAND Heel Stone MISHKAN Unearthed!!!

[what's that Muhammad, oh yeah...]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audrey_Azoulay
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Khamenei
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_II

YESTERDAY!!!

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Proxima Centauri

ps. Fuck You!

cc:
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Alpha Centauri
cc:
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Planet Nein
cc:
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Planet Earth
cc:
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[benl...@ihug.co.nz]

He's one mentally unwell person named Garry Denke, who was around years
ago on sci.archaeology, with the same obsessions and delusions, but without
so many aliases. Why he's turned up here I can't say.

[Max Planck]

Perhaps a 48 inch oilfield pipe wrench rammed up your ass and out your mouth would help?
It would give you some teeth to grind with instead of flapping your gums. Whaddaya think?

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.archaeology

Max Karl Ernst Ludwig

[Isaac Newton]

Absolutely. Yes indeed. Every chance.

Isaac Newton

[Arnaud Fournet]

Péter la Crotte has lost controlled of his gremlins ...

[Franz Gnaedinger]

On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 5:35:58 PM UTC+1, Mścisław Wojna-Bojewski wrote:
>
> Being an ultrakook yourself, I guess you know what you are talking about.

Panu Petteri Höglund, my stalker of nearly thirteen years, hiding behind
a Slavic pseudonym, in earlier years behind dozens (plural) of aliases
- a stable full of braying aliasses - can't cope with anybody. Always
looking at things from the textbook perspective accounts for a barren mind.

The Höglunds and Bowdens can't argue on the topic or scientific level,
they always escape to meta-levels and drop verditcs from above, makes
them feel omnipotent while they are the contrary, kooks on the amademic
side of the fence.

[Franz Gnaedinger]

sci.archaeology had been the breeding place of hyperkooks in the late 1990s,
people obsessed by the approaching end of the world that was projected into
the Great Pyramid at Giza. My compatriot Erich von Daeniken had written
a book on this pyramid wherein he says it was built by an alien still sleeping
in his masterwork. Somewhere in the 1990s Graham Hancock wrote a bestseller
wherein he ascribed the GP to Atlantians and suggested a hidden mechanism
in a secret chamber that will enter in action at the end of 1999, flood
the planet and drown everybody, except for a few chosen ones who shall be
transported to Sirius where they will found a new and better civilization.

Well, the world ended on December 31 of 1999, but so smoothly that nobody
noticed - apart from a book that fell from my shelf - and was reinstalled
on January 1 of 2013 when a new cosmic cycle of the Maya calendar began.
For the intervening thirteen years we lived on in the happy illusion that
the world still existed.

Now we safely arrived in 2019, and are confronted with a new wave of
hyperkooks that slosh over from sci.archaeology. They focus on the space
below the heel stone of Stonehenge under which the Ark of the Covenant or
the Tabernacle of God or the Altar of Allah must be buried ...

Where does that come from? Did Hankook publish another bestseller? faxed
over from Sirius? Or maybe those hyperkooks are one single poster, Garry
Denke G.D. GOD, YHWH, ALLAH, moreover Devil Satan, also Galileo Galilei,
Isaac Newton, Einstein, Marie Curie? (Just saw that David has the same
suspicion.)

Outside of the gates the trucks were unloadin'
The weather was hot, a-nearly 90 degrees
The man standin' next to me, his head was exploding
Well, I was prayin' the pieces wouldn't fall on me

Bob Dylan, Day of the Locusts, New Morning

I coped with the former nonsense in sci.archaeology by showing that the Great
Pyramid, a symbol of creation, incorporates the marvels of early (pre-Greek)
mathematics including a systematic method of calculating the circle, and now
I shall cope with the new wave of nonsense that comes from sci.archaeology
by shedding light on Stonehenge via the menhirs at Yverdon-Clendy in western
Switzerland, also via the bronze calendar from Falera in the eastern Swiss
Alps that has a perfect equivalent in the gold plaque from Bush Barrow -
fine early reasoning, neither aliens nor Atlantians involved, nor hampered
by academic mind and hand cuffs, and a lesson in reading visual language.

[Max Planck]

> Denke G-D, GOD, YHWH ALLAH, moreover Devil Satan, also Galileo Galilei,
> Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein, Marie Curie? (Just saw that David has the same

> suspicion.)
>
> Outside of the gates the trucks were unloadin'
> The weather was hot, a-nearly 90 degrees
> The man standin' next to me, his head was exploding
> Well, I was prayin' the pieces wouldn't fall on me
>
> Bob Dylan, Day of the Locusts, New Morning
>
> I coped with the former nonsense in sci.archaeology by showing that the Great
> Pyramid, a symbol of creation, incorporates the marvels of early (pre-Greek)
> mathematics including a systematic method of calculating the circle, and now
> I shall cope with the new wave of nonsense that comes from sci.archaeology
> by shedding light on Stonehenge via the menhirs at Yverdon-Clendy in western
> Switzerland, also via the bronze calendar from Falera in the eastern Swiss
> Alps that has a perfect equivalent in the gold plaque from Bush Barrow -
> fine early reasoning, neither aliens nor Atlantians involved, nor hampered
> by academic mind and hand cuffs, and a lesson in reading visual language.

Every dadgum exoplanet. They always forget me.

Western Pontides → Centre Gobeklitepe → Stonehenge 96 → Centre Stonehenge
12,600 years ago ← 10,600 years ago ← 5,600 years ago ← 2,600 years ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic_Mountains
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heel_Stone Hole 96
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altar_Stone_(Stonehenge)

Altar Stone of Gobekli Tepe is at Stonehenge.
Set erect, 9600 BC, Stone Hole 96, by Set.

Max Karl Ernst Ludwig

[Albert Einstein]

On Saturday, January 5, 2019 at 3:00:22 AM UTC-6, Max Planck wrote:
> On Saturday, January 5, 2019 at 2:35:54 AM UTC-6, Franz Gnaedinger wrote:
> > On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 10:51:12 AM UTC+1, Franz Gnaedinger wrote:
> > > Around the turn of year a wave of hyperkooks washed over sci.lang, they
> > > call themselves for divine beings and great scientists and are obsessed with

> > > the ark of God, the ark of the covenant, all YHWH Allah's relics (bones of Moses included) inside altar of burnt offering buried under Gobekli Tepe's Altar Stone hole 96, under the Heel Stone hole 96 at Stonehenge. If they go on in sci.lang I shall

> > > repeat my Stonehenge interpretation from earlier years as a calendar
> > > sanctuary of many symbolic levels - great art, nothing mysterious.
> >
> > sci.archaeology had been the breeding place of hyperkooks in the late 1990s,
> > people obsessed by the approaching end of the world that was projected into
> > the Great Pyramid at Giza. My compatriot Erich von Daeniken had written
> > a book on this pyramid wherein he says it was built by an alien still sleeping
> > in his masterwork. Somewhere in the 1990s Graham Hancock wrote a bestseller
> > wherein he ascribed the GP to Atlantians and suggested a hidden mechanism
> > in a secret chamber that will enter in action at the end of 1999, flood
> > the planet and drown everybody, except for a few chosen ones who shall be
> > transported to Sirius where they will found a new and better civilization.
> >
> > Well, the world ended on December 31 of 1999, but so smoothly that nobody
> > noticed - apart from a book that fell from my shelf - and was reinstalled
> > on January 1 of 2013 when a new cosmic cycle of the Maya calendar began.
> > For the intervening thirteen years we lived on in the happy illusion that
> > the world still existed.
> >
> > Now we safely arrived in 2019, and are confronted with a new wave of
> > hyperkooks that slosh over from sci.archaeology. They focus on the space
> > below the heel stone of Stonehenge under which the Ark of the Covenant or
> > the Tabernacle of God or the Altar of Allah must be buried ...
> >
> > Where does that come from? Did Hankook publish another bestseller? faxed
> > over from Sirius? Or maybe those hyperkooks are one single poster, Garry

> > Denke, G-D, GOD, YHWH ALLAH, moreover Devil Satan, also Galileo Galilei,

> > Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein, Marie Curie? (Just saw that David has the same
> > suspicion.)
> >
> > Outside of the gates the trucks were unloadin'
> > The weather was hot, a-nearly 90 degrees
> > The man standin' next to me, his head was exploding
> > Well, I was prayin' the pieces wouldn't fall on me
> >
> > Bob Dylan, Day of the Locusts, New Morning
> >
> > I coped with the former nonsense in sci.archaeology by showing that the Great
> > Pyramid, a symbol of creation, incorporates the marvels of early (pre-Greek)
> > mathematics including a systematic method of calculating the circle, and now
> > I shall cope with the new wave of nonsense that comes from sci.archaeology
> > by shedding light on Stonehenge via the menhirs at Yverdon-Clendy in western
> > Switzerland, also via the bronze calendar from Falera in the eastern Swiss
> > Alps that has a perfect equivalent in the gold plaque from Bush Barrow -
> > fine early reasoning, neither aliens nor Atlantians involved, nor hampered
> > by academic mind and hand cuffs, and a lesson in reading visual language.
>
> Every dadgum exoplanet. They always forget me.
>
> Western Pontides → Centre Gobeklitepe → Stonehenge 96 → Centre Stonehenge
> 12,600 years ago ← 10,600 years ago ← 5,600 years ago ← 2,600 years ago
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic_Mountains
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heel_Stone Hole 96
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altar_Stone_(Stonehenge)
>
> Altar Stone of Gobekli Tepe is at Stonehenge.

> Set erect, 8600 BC, Stone Hole 96, by Set.
>
> Max Karl Ernst Ludwig

Due to your Mathematik, Max.

Albert

[Galileo Galilei]

> > > below the Heel Stone of Stonehenge under which the Ark of the Covenant,
> > > the Tabernacle of God, and the Altar of YHWH Allah they buried.

Hey sci.lang Incompetents got Something right.
(can you believe it, prolly first time)
Garry Denke is YHWH ALLAH the Devil Satan.

LOL. Men of Galilei.

Galileo

[Madame Curie]

Sci.Lang proved Garry W. Denke is YHWH Allah the Devil Satan.
Sci.Lang proved Garry Denke is YHWH Allah the Devil Satan.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.lang/aRMXjoGPDbU
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.archaeology

Sci.Lang proved Garry W. Denke
is YHWH Allah the Devil Satan.

Women of Galilei
Men of Galilei

[Franz Gnaedinger]

Many great monuments of antiquity celebrate creation, the unfolding cosmos
and cycles of life.

The Goebekli Tepe was the hill where the earth AC and sky CA are meeting,
or where they had been separated from each other in the beginning. AC CA
personified named the Indo-European earth goddess akka mentioned by Pokorny,
and Hebrew Hawwa 'mother of all life' English Eve, while inverse CA AC named
the Greek earth goddess Gaia. Snakes are the most frequent symbol in the
region of the Goebekli Tepe. Snakes heading uward symbolize prayers for rain
and the rising smoke of sacrificial fires imploring rain; snakes heading
downward symbolize falling rain; and snakes undulating horizontally rivers,
also a grid of irrigation channels on an incised contemporary stone tablet
from Jerf el-Ahmar. AC CA in this context accounts for Latin aqua 'water'
obtained in an exchange between earth and sky. (Eve's alledged apple was
a date grape, cultivated date palms requiring enormous amounts of water ...)

Temple D on the Goebekli Tepe is the explicit sanctuary of creation. The pair
of central pillars represent the female and male triads, the superior goddesses
and gods who called the world into existence and shaped it step by step, as
indicated by the (Late Magdalenian) hieroglyphs on their necks.

An Egyptian pyramid symbolizes the Primeval Hill that rose above the Primeval
Sea, opened up, and released the sun Ra and sky Nut and earth Geb ...

The oldest menhirs at Yverdon-Clendy in western Switzerland are ca. 6,400
years of age. In my opinion they are seven of them that combine a landing
raven with a map of the region of the three lakes; with an hourglass calendar
of the solstices (midsummer head, midwinter tail) and equinoxes (ends of wings)
and Beltane/Samhain (body); and a midsummer corridor by then leading into the
lake, a long and straight lake whose direction, owing to a whim of nature,
goes along with the midsummer line, so that the midsummer sun seemingly rose
from the middle of the lake ... Midsummer would have been celebrated with a
love-in. Many more stones were added later on, obfuscationg the original raven
but explaining the site. Their groupings (for example the family of the spring
equinox, mother and father garding a baby in between them) and forms and some
reliefs indicate botanic and animalic and human cycles modulating the year,
and confirm the idea of a midsummer love-in followed by a pregnancy of three
seasons (form midsummer to the fall equinox via Samhain to midwinter and then
the spring equinox) and a birth - children born in spring apparently having
had a better chance at surviving.

Another hourglass calendar is present in the Q and R holes of Stonehenge 2,
while a pair of 'Heel Stones' wre added to the stone rings of Stonehenge 3
(ca 2550-1600 BC), in such a way that the rising midsummer sun, when seen
from the center of the stone rings, appeared between them and made a double
promise: a midsummer love-in followed by many children in the spring of
next year, and a new life in a heavenly beyond for the souls of the worthy
dead buried in the plain of Stonehenge.

The glorious rotunda of LAscaux represents an early midsummer morning,
the red mare rising above the ledge the midsummer sun rising above the
horizon, the proud white bull by her side a full moon occurring at the same
time, ideal start of an eight-year period in the lunisolar calendar of Lascaux.

[Daud Deden]

The Aka Fula Pygmies resided around vast Lake Malawi and forest tributaries long before the Bantu agriculturalists arrived, according to the Bantu [Chichewa] oral history.
-

Aka Fula Pygmies of Lake Malawi EAf.
Aka/Akka Pygmies of Congo.
Baka/Bacola Pygmies of WAf.
Aka Bea Pygmies of Andaman islands.
The KhoiKhoi bushmen probably derived from Akwa/Atwa SEAf. Pygmies, probably also the ancestral source of SEAsian Agta & Aeta Negritos.

[benl...@ihug.co.nz]

Aka Bea is the language. Aka means "tongue" or "language".

> The KhoiKhoi bushmen probably derived from Akwa/Atwa SEAf. Pygmies, probably also the ancestral source of SEAsian Agta & Aeta Negritos.

PMP *qaRta, an interesting word, variously meaning "Negrito", "slave" or just
"person".

[Daud Deden]

KiMbuti: language of BaMbuti

> > The KhoiKhoi bushmen probably derived from Akwa/Atwa SEAf. Pygmies, probably also the ancestral source of SEAsian Agta & Aeta Negritos.
>
> PMP *qaRta, an interesting word, variously meaning "Negrito", "slave" or just "person".

I'd say Aetto/Vedda are of the same Agta/Aeta/Aka Bea but with later admixture.

Aka/talker/(xyuambua)tlachya/lec
Qal@Tigrinha: talk

*qaRta@PMP to me that sounds derived, an Austronesian version of the original.

Indigenous People in Sri Lanka. The Wanniyala-Aetto, or “forest people”, more commonly known as Veddas or Veddahs, are an Indigenous people of Sri Lanka

[Franz Gnaedinger]

Map of the seven raven menhirs at Yverdon-Clendy in western Switzerland

http://www.seshat.ch/home/menhir1b.GIF

five of the seven raven stones form an hourglass calendar of the solstices
and equinoxes and combined Beltane/Samhain

http://www.seshat.ch/home/menhir1d.GIF

midsummer corridor, by then leading into the lake, toward the midsummer sun
seemingly rising from the middle of the lake

http://www.seshat.ch/home/menhir1f.GIF

Map of the more than forty stones, obfuscating the raven but preserving
the hourglass calendar, midsummer corridor, and astronomical observatory

http://www.seshat.ch/home/menhir1h.GIF
http://www.seshat.ch/home/menhir1p.GIF

Stonehenge 2, Q and P holes, hourglass calendar and astronomical observatory

http://www.seshat.ch/home/menhir5d.GIF
http://www.seshat.ch/home/menhir5f.GIF
http://www.seshat.ch/home/menhir5g.GIF

Yverdon-Clendy, top of the head stone of the raven, beak pointing in the
landing direction (photograph taken in a November by my brother Steve)

http://www.seshat.ch/home/menhir7k.JPG

head stone of the raven as raven man, looking in the landing direction
(photograph taken on a midsummer morning, between nine and ten o'clock)

http://www.seshat.ch/home/menhir59.JPG
http://www.seshat.ch/home/menhir61.JPG

Pair of courting ravens, reliefs on the menhir of the spring equinox

http://www.seshat.ch/home/menhir77.jpg

Midsummer sun rising from the lake (photograph taken from a tv program)

http://www.seshat.ch/home/menhir2r.JPG
http://www.seshat.ch/home/menhir2q.JPG

Many more pictures can be found on my website, klick on the links in the
running texts of the following pages

http://www.seshat.ch/home/menhir0a.htm
http://www.seshat.ch/home/menhir0b.htm
http://www.seshat.ch/home/menhir0c.htm

Feel free to ask me a question, but please only one at a time.

[Franz Gnaedinger]

Correcting the links that didn't work in the copy below (raven man, courting
ravens)

> Map of the seven raven menhirs at Yverdon-Clendy in western Switzerland
>
> http://www.seshat.ch/home/menhir1b.GIF
>
> five of the seven raven stones form an hourglass calendar of the solstices
> and equinoxes and combined Beltane/Samhain
>
> http://www.seshat.ch/home/menhir1d.GIF
>
> midsummer corridor, by then leading into the lake, toward the midsummer sun
> seemingly rising from the middle of the lake
>
> http://www.seshat.ch/home/menhir1f.GIF
>
> Map of the more than forty stones, obfuscating the raven but preserving
> the hourglass calendar, midsummer corridor, and astronomical observatory
>
> http://www.seshat.ch/home/menhir1h.GIF
> http://www.seshat.ch/home/menhir1p.GIF
>
> Stonehenge 2, Q and P holes, hourglass calendar and astronomical observatory
>
> http://www.seshat.ch/home/menhir5d.GIF
> http://www.seshat.ch/home/menhir5f.GIF
> http://www.seshat.ch/home/menhir5g.GIF
>
> Yverdon-Clendy, top of the head stone of the raven, beak pointing in the
> landing direction (photograph taken in a November by my brother Steve)
>
> http://www.seshat.ch/home/menhir7k.JPG
>
> head stone of the raven as raven man, looking in the landing direction
> (photograph taken on a midsummer morning, between nine and ten o'clock)
>

> http://www.seshat.ch/home/menhjr59.JPG
> http://www.seshat.ch/home/menhjr61.JPG

>
> Pair of courting ravens, reliefs on the menhir of the spring equinox
>

> http://www.seshat.ch/home/menhjr77.jpg

[Antitheism]

On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 3:51:12 AM UTC-6, Franz Gnaedinger wrote:
>
> Tabernacles under Mars Stonehenge Heelstone and under Earth Stonehenge Heelstone prove God(s)?
> Our answer's no. The gold Mishkans only prove Mars Creatures and Earth Creatures created God(s).
>
> https://www.pinterest.com/pin/510595676498780899/
> https://www.pinterest.com/pin/427630927112315222/
>
> Universal Magnetic Reversal immediately after Excavation of either of said Tabernacles prove God(s)?
> Simply a coincidence. That will not prove Mars Creatures' and/or Earth Creatures' god(s) are God(s).
>
> http://disc.yourwebapps.com/Indices/246465.html

>
> Women of Galilei
> Men of Galilei

These newsgroups are for Antitheism, Anti-theism and Atheism news.
Your post contains neither. Courteously by mail we have referred you.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.atheism
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/anti-theism
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/antitheism

Thank You.
Antitheism

[Franz Gnaedinger]

What kook are you? I didn't write that blatant nonsense. It comes from the new
hyperkook acquired by sci.lang over the turn of year. I warned this group
already last year about a new hyperkook lurking in the shadows, but was not
taken seriously.

[Franz Gnaedinger]

Stonehenge 3 (ca. 2550-1600 BC) and a gold lozenge from Bush Barrow and
a bronze oval from Falera in the Swiss Alps can be read as double ring
calendars, the ones from Bush Barrow and Falera being exact equivalents!
Klick on the links on this page

http://www.seshat.ch/home/stonehen.ch

There might have been a Late Bronze Age tin trail from the rich mines in
southwestern Britain via Falera and the Greina pass and Olivone in the Val
Blénio in the Swiss Alps to Middle Helladic Greece

http://www.seshat.ch/home/falera.htm
http://www.seshat.ch/home/blenio.htm

Curiously, Olivone and the Val Blénio are guarded by a cyclops, a one-eyed
giant, a steep mountain whose top shines like a round eye in the first sun
rays, here on an October morning

http://www.seshat.ch/home/blenio10.JPG
http://www.seshat.ch/home/blenio 35.JPG

By the way, the Stonehenge archer had grown up in the Alps (revealed by
the mineralisation of his teeth), either in the Bavarian or Austrian or
Swiss Alps - maybe even in Falera?

[Franz Gnaedinger]

Sorry again for invalid links, here corrected in the quote below

> Stonehenge 3 (ca. 2550-1600 BC) and a gold lozenge from Bush Barrow and
> a bronze oval from Falera in the Swiss Alps can be read as double ring
> calendars, the ones from Bush Barrow and Falera being exact equivalents!
> Klick on the links on this page
>

> http://www.seshat.ch/home/stonehen.htm

[Franz Gnaedinger]

Kooks in archaeology are sometimes not only rong but also wright in a way,
for example regarding the Egyptian pyramids

Everybody can see that a pyramid is a geometric marvel.
Building a Great Pyramid required solid mathematics.
Now academe tells us them Egyptians had no real mathematics.
Ergo the Great Pyramid at Giza must have been built by
aliens or Atlantians.

The so-called pyramidiots are then primarily the professors who are still
clinging to the old dogma of the Greek invention of mathematics.

A kook may have a correct intuition or feeling, but then goes astray.
The accurate proceeding in the case of the pyramids would be to look out
for 'simple yet clever' pre-Greek methods. And they exist, additive number
patterns and sequences, even a systematic method for calculating the circle.

In the case of Stonehenge the hermeneutic way consists in studying various
menhir sites, until certain ideas emerge that confirm each other, on the
background of serious archaeology.

Garry Denke believes the Heel Stone has a special importance (the surviving
stone of a pair of stones), and in this he is right. However, from here he
goes astray by asserting that nothing less than the Ark of the Covenant or
Tabernacle of YHWH or Altar of Allah must be buried under it, and by imposing
his completely unfounded claims with a series of aliases from the divine and
devilish and scientific spheres.

The pair of so-called Heel Stones _were_ most important, as they promised
fertility for the living and a next life in the heavenly beyond for the souls
of the worthy dead buried in the plain of Stonehenge, where people from all
over Britain and Scotland gathered in the midsummer weeks (the latter a new
archaeological discovery).

Hermeneutic work is time-consuming, often ignored, seldom rewarded. Kooks are
seeking fame, instant world fame, and consequently some of them, frustrated
for having been ignored for a long time, can turn into hyperkooks who start
ever more parallel threads, desperately and shamelessly promoting their boring
if not psychotic assertions.

[Doctor Denkenstein]

Complete History of Stonehenge Excavations
https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A2=britarch;87494e78.1801

1611. King James I investigated Stonehenge "to see 'The stone which the builders refused.'"
King James Version, 1611

1616. Doctor William Harvey, Gilbert North, and Inigo Jones find horns of stags and oxen, coals, charcoals, batter-dashers, heads of arrows, pieces of rusted armour, rotten bones, thuribulum (censer) pottery, and a large nail.
Long, William, 1876, Stonehenge and its Barrows. The Wiltshire Archaeological and Natural History Magazine, Volume 16

1620. George Villiers, 1st Duke of Buckingham, dug a large hole in the ground at the center of Stonehenge looking for buried treasure. (Diary)

1633-52. Inigo Jones conducted the first 'scientific' surveys of Stonehenge.
Jones, I, and Webb, J, 1655, The most notable antiquity of Great Britain vulgarly called Stone-Heng on Salisbury plain. London: J Flesher for D Pakeman and L Chapman

1640. Sir Lawrence Washington, knight, owner of Stonehenge, fished around Bear's Stone (named after Washington's hound dog). Bear's Stone profile portrait a local 17th century attraction. (G-Diary)
The Wiltshire Archaeological and Natural History Magazine, Volumes 15-16

1652. Reverend Lawrence Washington, heir of Stonehenge, commissions Doctor Garry Denke to dig below Bear's Stone, reveals lion, calf (ox), face as a man, flying eagle, bear (dog), leopard, and hidden relics. Bear's Stone (96) renamed Hele 'to conceal, cover, hide'. (G-Diary)

1653-6. Doctor Garry Denke auger cored below Hele Stone 'The stone which the builders rejected' on various occasions. Gold, silver, brass, iron, wood, bone, concrete discovered at 1-1/3 'yardsticks' (under flying eagle). Elizabeth Washington, heir of Stonehenge.
Denke, G, 1699, G-Diary (German to English by Erodelphian Literary Society of Sigma Chi Fraternity). GDG, 1-666

1666. John Aubrey surveyed Stonehenge and made a 'Review'. Described the Avenue's prehistoric pits. (the 'Aubrey Holes' discovered by Hawley, not Aubrey).
Aubrey, J, 1693 (edited by J Fowles 1982), Monumenta Britannica. Sherborne, Dorset: Dorset Publishing Co

1716. Thomas Hayward, owner of Stonehenge, dug heads of oxen and other beasts. (Diary)

1721-4. William Stukeley surveyed and excavated Stonehenge and its field monuments. Surveyed the Avenue in 1721 extending beyond Stonehenge Bottom to King Barrow Ridge. Surveyed the Cursus in 1723 and excavated.
Stukeley, W, 1740, Stonehenge: a temple restor'd to the British druids. London: W Innys and R Manby

1757. Benjamin Franklin observes Bear's Stone (96) lion, calf (ox), face as a man, flying eagle, bear (dog), leopard, and Hele Stone 'hidden' relics below them. (Diary)

1798. Sir Richard Hoare and William Cunnington dug at Stonehenge under the fallen Slaughter Stone 95 and under fallen Stones 56 and 57.
The Ancient History of Wiltshire, Volume 1, 1812

1805-10. William Cunnington dug at Stonehenge on various occasions.
Cunnington, W, 1884, Guide to the stones of Stonehenge. Devizes: Bull Printer

1839. Captain Beamish excavated within Stonehenge. (Diary)

1874-7. Professor Flinders Petrie produced a plan of Stonehenge and numbered the stones.
Petrie, W M F, 1880, Stonehenge: plans, description, and theories. London: Edward Stanford

1877. Charles Darwin digs at Stonehenge to study 'Sinking of great Stones through the Action of Worms'.
Darwin, Charles,1881, The Formation of Vegetable Mould, Through the Action of Worms, with Observations on Their Habits. London: John Murray

1901. Professor William Gowland meticulously recorded and excavated around stone number 56 at Stonehenge.
Gowland, W, 1902, Recent excavations at Stonehenge. Archaeologia, 58, 37-82

1919-26. Colonel William Hawley extensively excavated in advance of restoration programmes at Stonehenge for the Office of Works and later for the Society of Antiquaries. Hawley excavated ditch sections of the Avenue, conducted an investigation of the Slaughter Stone and other stones at Stonehenge, and discovered the 'Aubrey Holes' (misnamed) through excavation.
Hawley, W, 1921, Stonehenge: interim report on the exploration.
Antiquaries Journal, 1, 19-41
Hawley, W, 1922, Second report on the excavations at Stonehenge.
Antiquaries Journal, 2, 36-52
Hawley, W, 1923, Third report on the excavations at Stonehenge.
Antiquaries Journal, 3, 13-20
Hawley, W, 1924, Fourth report on the excavations at Stonehenge, 1922.
Antiquaries Journal, 4, 30-9
Hawley, W, 1925, Report on the excavations at Stonehenge during the season of 1923.
Antiquaries Journal, 5, 21-50
Hawley, W, 1926, Report on the excavations at Stonehenge during the season of 1924.
Antiquaries Journal, 6, 1-25
Hawley, W, 1928, Report on the excavations at Stonehenge during 1925 and 1926.
Antiquaries Journal, 8, 149-76
(Diary)
Pitts, M, Bayliss, A, McKinley, J, Boylston, A, Budd, P, Evans, J, Chenery, C, Reynolds, A, and Semple, S, 2002, An Anglo-Saxon decapitation and burial at Stonehenge. Wiltshire Archaeological and Natural History Magazine, 95, 131-46

1929. Robert Newall excavated Stone 36.
Newall, R S, 1929, Stonehenge. Antiquity, 3, 75-88
Newall, R S, 1929, Stonehenge, the recent excavations.
Wiltshire Archaeological and Natural History Magazine, 44, 348-59

1935. Young, W E V, The Stonehenge car park excavation. (Diary)

1950. Robert Newall excavated Stone 66.
Newall, R S, 1952, Stonehenge stone no. 66. Antiquaries Journal, 32, 65-7

1952. Robert Newall excavated Stones 71 and 72. (Diary)

1950-64. A major campaign of excavations by Richard Atkinson, Stuart Piggott, and Marcus Stone involving the re-excavation of some of Hawley’s trenches as well as previously undisturbed areas within Stonehenge.
Atkinson, R J C, Piggott, S, and Stone, J F S, 1952, The excavations of two additional holes at Stonehenge, and new evidence for the date of the monument. Antiquaries Journal, 32, 14-20
Atkinson, R J C, 1956, Stonehenge. London. Penguin Books in association with Hamish Hamilton. (second revised edition 1979: Penguin Books)

1966. Faith and Lance Vatcher excavated 3 Mesolithic Stonehenge postholes.
Vatcher, F de M and Vatcher, H L, 1973, Excavation of three postholes in Stonehenge car park. Wiltshire Archaeological and Natural History Magazine, 68, 57-63

1968. Faith and Lance Vatcher dug geophone and floodlight cable trenches. (Diary)

1974. Garry Denke and Ralph Ferdinand set out to confirm Sir Lawrence Washington, knight and Reverend Lawrence Washington's revelation (G-Diary). Auger cores 1.2m (4ft) below Heel Stone 96 (under face as a man). Gold, silver, brass, iron, wood, bone, concrete confirmed. No coal in cores. Stonehenge Free Festival.
Denke, G W, 1974, Stonehenge Phase I: An Open-pit Coalfield Model; The First Geologic Mining School (Indiana University of Pennsylvania). GDG, 74, 1-56

1978. John Evans re-excavated a 1954 cutting through the Stonehenge ditch and bank to take samples for snail analysis and radiocarbon dating. A well-preserved human burial lay within the ditch fill. Three fine flint arrowheads were found amongst the bones, with a fourth embedded in the sternum.
Atkinson, R J C and Evans, J G, 1978, Recent excavations at Stonehenge. Antiquity, 52, 235-6
Evans, J G, 1984, Stonehenge: the environment in the late Neolithic and early Bronze Age, and a Beaker burial. Wiltshire Archaeological and Natural History Magazine, 78, 7-30
(Diary)
Alexander Thorn and Richard Atkinson. NE side of Station Stone 94. (Diary)

1979-80. George Smith excavated in the Stonehenge car park on behalf of the Central Excavation Unit.
Smith, G, 1980, Excavations in Stonehenge car park. Wiltshire Archaeological and Natural History Magazine, 74/75 (1979-80), 181
(Diary)
Mike Pitts excavated along south side of A344 in advance of cable-laying and pipe-trenching. In 1979, discovered the Heel Stone 97 original pit (96 original Altar Stone pit). Survey along the Avenue course identified more pits. In 1980, excavated beside the A344 and discovered a stone floor (a complete prehistoric artifact assemblage retained from the monument).
Pitts, M W, 1982, On the road to Stonehenge: Report on investigations beside the A344 in 1968, 1979, and 1980. Proceedings of the Prehistoric Society, 48, 75-132

1981. The Central Excavation Unit excavated in advance of the construction of the footpath through Stonehenge.
Bond, D, 1983, An excavation at Stonehenge, 1981. Wiltshire Archaeological and Natural History Magazine, 77, 39-43.

1984. Garry Denke (and Hell's Angels) seismic survey. Auger cores 1.2m (4ft) below Heel Stone 96 (under lion head). Gold, silver, brass, iron, wood, bone, concrete reconfirmed. No coal in cores. Stonehenge Free Festival.
Denke, G, 1984, Magnetic and Electromagnetic Surveys at Heelstone, Stonehenge, United Kingdom (Indiana University of Pennsylvania). GDG, 84, 1-42

1990-6. A series of assessments and field evaluations in advance of the Stonehenge Conservation and Management Programme.
Darvill, T C, 1997, Stonehenge Conservation and Management Programme: a summary of archaeological assessments and field evaluations undertaken 1990-1996. London: English Heritage

1994. Wessex Archaeology. Limited Auger Survey.
Cleal, R M J, Walker, K E, and Montague, R, 1995, Stonehenge and its landscape: twentieth-century excavations (English Heritage Archaeological Report 10). London: English Heritage.

2008. Timothy Darvill and Geoffrey Wainwright set out to date the construction of the Double Bluestone Circle at Stonehenge and to chart the history of the Bluestones, and their use.
Darvill, T, and Wainwright, G, 2008, Stonehenge excavations 2008. The Antiquaries Journal, Volume 89, September 2009, 1-19
(Diary)
Mike Parker Pearson, Julian Richards, and Mike Pitts further the excavation of 'Aubrey Hole' 7 discovered by William Hawley, 1920.
Willis, C, Marshall, P, McKinley, J, Pitts, M, Pollard, J, Richards, C, Richards, J, Thomas, J, Waldron, T, Welham, K, and Parker Pearson, M, 2016, The dead of Stonehenge. Antiquity, Volume 90, Issue 350, April 2016, 337-356

2012-3. Stonehenge A344 road excavated and removed. (Diary)

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any missing? thanks

Dr. Denkenstein

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 3:36:43 AM UTC-5, Franz Gnaedinger wrote:

> Everybody can see that a pyramid is a geometric marvel.
> Building a Great Pyramid required solid mathematics.
> Now academe tells us them Egyptians had no real mathematics.

Why do you keep repeating this lie?

[Alt.Atheism]

None. LOL

Alt.Atheism

[Franz Gnaedinger]

Because it is the truth. Academe still claims that the Egyptians had no real
mathematics. There are also kooks on the academic side of the fence. If
ignoring scientific literature is a hallmark of a kook, your finding every
silly excuse not to have even a look at Derk Ohlenroth's book of the Phaistos
Disc makes you such a kook on the academic side of the fence.

[Franz Gnaedinger]

Garry Denke G.D. -- GOD, YHWH, ALLAH -- devil, Satan -- Galileo Galilei,
Isaac Newton, Max Planck, Einstein, Madam Curie -- there is only one
(if somewhat fuzzy) psychiatric term for such an array of aliases, the more
so as he now claims to be not only God and the devil but also, via hiw new
pseudonym Dr. Denkenstein (Denke + Einstein), the creator of God and the devil.

A scientific forum can't be a therapy station for people who need professional
help, and if a mental disorder is coupled with a sociopathic dimension and
energy, we are allowed to defend our forum against his malignant behaving.

[Helmut Richter]

On Fri, 11 Jan 2019, Franz Gnaedinger wrote:

> Because it is the truth. Academe still claims that the Egyptians had no real
> mathematics.

Really? They are not aware of the Papyrus Rhind which is known to many
people inside and outside academia?.

--
Helmut Richter

[Doctor Denkenstein]

Why did I create God? and Why did I create Satan?
Ye hideous Sapient creatures Kept bothering Me.

Non-believers know the "Wizard of Oz" and
believers do not know the "Wizard of Oz".
So never "Follow the Yellow Brick road".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TguQUMR4l_4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ati1qZjaeu8

I created God,
and Satan.

Dr. Denkenstein

[Galileo Galilei]

Jolly good. Cheerio.

Pip pip.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 4:44:48 AM UTC-5, Franz Gnaedinger wrote:
> On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 1:50:57 PM UTC+1, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 3:36:43 AM UTC-5, Franz Gnaedinger wrote:

> > > Everybody can see that a pyramid is a geometric marvel.
> > > Building a Great Pyramid required solid mathematics.
> > > Now academe tells us them Egyptians had no real mathematics.
> > Why do you keep repeating this lie?
>
> Because it is the truth. Academe still claims that the Egyptians had no real
> mathematics.

No, "it" doesn't.

[Franz Gnaedinger]

On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 11:35:47 AM UTC+1, Helmut Richter wrote:
>
> Really? They are not aware of the Papyrus Rhind which is known to many
> people inside and outside academia?.
>

The Rhind Mathematical Papyrus is considered a disappointment. Ahmes promises
to unveil all secrets, then follow cumbersome calculations of unit fraction
series. Academe misses the several levels of the papyrus. Beginners learn how
to work with unit fractions, while advanced learners are given more demanding
tasks. Take for example RMP 32. Ahmes divides 2 by 1 '3'4 and obtains
1 '6 '12 '114 '228. Advanced learners are asked to consider a right parallel
epiped measuring 2 by 1 '3 '4 by 1 '6 '12 '114 '228 units. How long are the
diagonals of the volume? Impossible to calculate! exlaim the pupils. No,
quite easy, smiles Ahmes

1 '3 '4 plus 1 '6 '12 '114 '228

1 1 plus '3 '6 plus '4 '12 plus '114 '228

2 '2 '3 '76

The diagonals of the volume measure exactly, 2 '2 '3 '76 units. Now from this
you can derive a theorem ...

Do you think such insights can be published? If yes, you must also believe
in Santa Claus.

[Franz Gnaedinger]

On Saturday, January 12, 2019 at 4:24:32 AM UTC+1, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
> No, "it" doesn't.

In 1996 I joined a math-historical online forum and answered a question about
the first calculation of the square root of 2 by drawing up one of my number
columns for the use of which I found multiple evidence in Ancient Egypt

1 1 2
2 3 4
5 7 10
12 17 24
29 41 58
70 99 140 and so on

A bunch of professors led by a mathematical genius from Princeton attacked
me vehemently. The mathematical genius from Princeton called my number
columns thrash (being an expert on number patterns himself he apparently
missed my number columns and sequences), told me the history of the square
root of 2 began with the Greek continued fraction thereof (which is the
exact equivalent of my much simpler number column and therefore came first),
and the excellent Babylonian value 1;24,51,10 (clay tablet YBC 7289, from
around 1650 BC) had been found by trial and error. I told him to try out
himself, as I did in 1979 - he will inevitably come across an algebraic
pattern that marks the line between practical and theoretical mathematics.
Now this was a sacrilege, made only worse by mentioning Plimpton 322
and for example my interpretation of RMP 32 (just rendered in my reply
to Helmut Richter). I was expluded for having violated the dogma of the
Greek invention of mathematics.

Contrary to you I know what I am speaking about, and don't have to operate
with false accusations (you calling me a liar, once again).

[Franz Gnaedinger]

On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 10:26:31 AM UTC+1, Doctor Denkenstein wrote:
> Complete History of Stonehenge Excavations
> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A2=britarch;87494e78.1801

Did you read those papers? does any of them refer to the Ark of the Covenant?

Stonehenge was originally the cemetery of a Neolithic aristocracy (the noble
dead were cremated, the bone fragments placed in the ring of 56 postholes
and the bluestones placed in them).

The former pair of so-called Heel Stones marked a pair of parallel lines
carved into the plain by the melting water of the last Ice Age and aligned
in the midsummer-midwinter direction "by an extraordinary cosmic coincidende"
(Mike Parker Pearson). A similar coincidence aligned the Lac de Neuchâtel
in the same astronomical direction, Yverdon-Clendy being at the southwestern
end of the lake.

Britain including Scotland had several ten thousand inhabitants in the time
of early Stonehenge. Some four thousand of them from all over Britain and
Scotland, even as far north as Orkney, traveled with animals to Durrington
Walls and Stonehenge for participating in the midsummer and mitwinter
festivals.

Yverdon-Clendy was the place of a midsummer love-in, rituals of fertility
were performed, and couples hoped for childredn born in the early spring
of next year. Also Stonehenge visitors may have pleaded for fertility on
midsummer (chalk phalli are present in Britain, also in the region of
Stonehenge, and some believe they can see the carving of an earth goddess
on an upright trilithon, Stone 57).

The dead would have been remembered and prayed for on midwinter, and the
souls of worthy dead would have risen to a heavenly beyond with the sun
of midsummer raising between the pair of 'Heel Stones' ...

No need for the Ark of the Covenant to make Stonhenge interesting and the fate
of those people touching. The labor of erecting and maintaining this extra-
ordinary monument was the price they payed for the double promise of life
and fertility.

If you had something real to say about Stonehenge, you would not behave
the way you do.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Sorry, but an anonymous "mathematical genius from Princeton" doesn't
sound like someone familiar with Egyptology or with the history of
mathematics, and it doesn't surprise me that he could not grasp from
whatever distortions you provided how the Egyptians carried out their
arithmetic calculations. Nor, of course, are arithmetic calculations
"mathematics" in any theoretical sense.

[Franz Gnaedinger]

On Saturday, January 12, 2019 at 3:14:13 PM UTC+1, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
> Sorry, but an anonymous "mathematical genius from Princeton" doesn't
> sound like someone familiar with Egyptology or with the history of
> mathematics, and it doesn't surprise me that he could not grasp from
> whatever distortions you provided how the Egyptians carried out their
> arithmetic calculations. Nor, of course, are arithmetic calculations
> "mathematics" in any theoretical sense.

Brian M. Scott, by then teaching professor of mathematics at the University
of Ohio, told me the very same in sci.lang: the excellent Babylonian value
1;24,51,10 was found by trial and error. And also in sci.lang he told me
that before the Greeks nobody was able of a theoretical insight. (I told
you so in the summer of past year, but you denied it, having not only a short
attention span but also a short memory). Trial and error is practical
mathematics, but if you find an algebraic pattern you cross the line
to theoretical ergo real mathematics. I told the mathematical genius from
Princeton to actually try, as I did in 1979, and he will inevitably stumble
across an algebraic pattern. I gave the same answer to Brian, in sci.arch-
aeology and in sci.lang. Neither the mathematical genius from Princeton
nor Brian M. Scott ever tried. They just know the truth: real mathematics
was invented by the Greeks, before them nobody was able of a theoretical
insight. To how many pupils did they learn this dogma?

[Franz Gnaedinger]

Sorry, my fist online adventure was in 1997. Later on I found a much earlier
formula for the square on the Ishango bone from Zaire, 25,000 years old.
A group of tally marks

/////// ///// ///// ////////// 7 5 5 10

can be read as follows (begin between the two fives, go to the left margin,
5 7, then from the left margin to the right margin, 7 2x5 10)

If the side of a square measures 5 paces (or a multiple thereof)
the diagonal measures 7 paces (or a multiple thereof)
and if the side measures 7 paces (or a multiple thereof)
the diagonal measures 2x5 = 10 paces (or a multiple thereof)

The mirror values 7/5 and 10/7 contain the seed for later approximations
of the square root of 2, including the methods of Heron and Newton, but
first came another step

5 7 10 side 5+7 = 12, diagonal 7+10 = 17 / side 17, diagonal 2x12 = 24

Imhotep used 17/12 and 24/17 for the Djoser complex at Saqqara, while 17/12
= 1;25 is found on the Babylonian clay tablet YBC 7289 from around 1650 BC.

Proceeding forward and backward you can obtain the basic number column I found
in 1979 when examining the lunettes above the Last Supper mural by Leonardo
da Vinci

1 1 1 1 2 1 2 3 2 3 4 3 5 7 5 7 10 7

1 1 2, 2 3 4, 5 7 10, 12, 17 24, 29 41 58, 70 99 140, 169 239 338,
408 577 816, 945 1393 ...

The numbers 70 99 140 were used for the Great Pyramid at Giza. When you
divide 1393 by 985 you obtain 1;24,51,10,3,2... Let go the small numbers
and keep 1;245,51,10, the excellent value for the square root of 2 next
to the simple value 1;25 on YBC 7289.

The Greeks learned about number columns from the Egyptians and Mesopotamians.
Eudoxus transformed the basic number column of the square into a ladder

1 2
2 3
5 7
12 17
29 41
70 99 and so on

Egyptian algorithm: a b 2a / a+b b+2a 2(a+b) / begin with a = b = 1

ladder of Eudoxus: a b / a+b a+b+a / begin with a = b = 1

Hereupon the Greeks turned the full Egyptian version into the continued
fraction (1,2,2,2,2,2,2...) which is more complicated, ergo younger.

The history of the square root of 2 began in Africa and Egypt, not in Greece,
as the mathematical genius from Princeton told me in 1997 - a real genius;
alas, impeded by the dogma of the Greek invention of mathematics.

[Daud Deden]

IIRC Plato claimed that Solon had read the story of Atlantis from an inscribed column in a temple at Said in Egypt. Perhaps it was not a stone column, but a number column?

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 3:59:54 AM UTC-5, Franz Gnaedinger wrote:
> On Saturday, January 12, 2019 at 3:14:13 PM UTC+1, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> > Sorry, but an anonymous "mathematical genius from Princeton" doesn't
> > sound like someone familiar with Egyptology or with the history of
> > mathematics, and it doesn't surprise me that he could not grasp from
> > whatever distortions you provided how the Egyptians carried out their
> > arithmetic calculations. Nor, of course, are arithmetic calculations
> > "mathematics" in any theoretical sense.
>
> Brian M. Scott, by then teaching professor of mathematics at the University
> of Ohio, told me the very same in sci.lang: the excellent Babylonian value
> 1;24,51,10 was found by trial and error. And also in sci.lang he told me
> that before the Greeks nobody was able of a theoretical insight. (I told
> you so in the summer of past year, but you denied it, having not only a short
> attention span but also a short memory).

We have often seen your "memory" at work, for instance when misreporting what
you may have heard on British Swiss radio many years ago.

What is "teaching professor"?

> Trial and error is practical
> mathematics, but if you find an algebraic pattern you cross the line
> to theoretical ergo real mathematics. I told the mathematical genius from
> Princeton to actually try, as I did in 1979, and he will inevitably stumble
> across an algebraic pattern. I gave the same answer to Brian, in sci.arch-
> aeology and in sci.lang. Neither the mathematical genius from Princeton
> nor Brian M. Scott ever tried.

I really don't care what mathematicians, whether anonymous or not, say or do
not say about Egyptian mathematics, and I remain disgusted that you continue
to lie about what actual Egyptologists and historians know about this topic.

? They just know the truth: real mathematics

> was invented by the Greeks, before them nobody was able of a theoretical
> insight. To how many pupils did they learn this dogma?

WHEN WILL YOU LEARN THE MEANING OF "LEARN"??????

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

At least he didn't call Brian M. Scott a learning professor.


--
athel

[Franz Gnaedinger]

On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 4:04:46 PM UTC+1, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
> We have often seen your "memory" at work, for instance when misreporting what
> you may have heard on British Swiss radio many years ago.
>

That was one single case, concerning the new English words and terms created
by information technology. And not British Swiss radio, that does not exist.

> What is "teaching professor"?

He called himself a teaching professor of mathematics, in contrast to a research
professor.

> I really don't care what mathematicians, whether anonymous or not, say or do
> not say about Egyptian mathematics, and I remain disgusted that you continue
> to lie about what actual Egyptologists and historians know about this topic.

Sci.cho, I know what actual Egyptologists are saying about Egyptian knowledge.
For example Mark Lehner: the methods he proposes for pyramid building are
just ridiculous, they work for a NOVA pyramid with a side length of some
five meters, but NEVER for a real pyramid, let alone the Great Pyramid with
the halucinatory prescision measured and published by Rainer Stadelmann
(who is against so-called pyramidiots and pyramid geometry but gives me the
most precious numbers at hand). I jobbed for three years measuring and drawing
sports fields including hand ball and tennis and stadia, and know the practical
problems of measuring large fields. The methods proposed by Mark Lehner would
never work, they are typical professoral desktop phantasies. And now, sci.cho,
stop calling me a liar.

> WHEN WILL YOU LEARN THE MEANING OF "LEARN"??????

I give an ironic slant to a message when I want, always in honor of Mark Twain.

[Franz Gnaedinger]

On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 12:38:07 PM UTC+1, Daud Deden wrote:
>
> IIRC Plato claimed that Solon had read the story of Atlantis from an inscribed column in a temple at Said in Egypt. Perhaps it was not a stone column, but a number column?

Adding a couple of numbers is nothing compared to piling up millions of stone
blocks weighing tons. And as for the Greeks in Egypt: Aristotle wrote that
the first mathematical techniques were developed in Egypt - hai mathaematikai
proton technai per aigypton synestesan (quoted from the memory). I told this
to the top league professors in that math-historical forum and called it
a paradox: The Greeks invented mathematics and science, ergo they can't
have been stupid, yet Aristotle, one of the brightest among them, made
an utterly stupid claim, the Egyptians having invented mathematics ...
Now I ask sci.lang: Can anybody learn me how this goes together?

[Franz Gnaedinger]

Kooky theories are mold on badly aired walls of academe. Egyptian mathematics
is depressingly underestimated. Stephen Hawking: the ancient Egyptians used
7/5 for the square root of 2 ... This ratio was already known in Zaire 25,000
years ago, and together with the all deciding mirror value 10/7. The Egyptians
proceeded to better values: 17/12 and 24/17 (Imhotep, Djoser complex), 99/70
and 140/99 (Great Pyramid, Rhind Mathematical Papyrus on the advanced level),
even 577/408 (RMP on the advanced level, calculation of an octagon).

How can brilliant scholars go blind when it comes to the simple yet clever
beginnings? If I could found a mathematical subdiscipline, then the one of
the simplest solution to a given problem. My first geometry lesson in primary
school was about Euclid's axioms - climbing the Everest instead of beginning
with a foothill, so to say. Consider the hyperkooks that infest and ruin
sci.math: if they had been learned the basics from the beginning they could
have developed a genuine understanding of mathematics and been spared the
sorry fate of wasting their life on Usenet (here I use 'learned' because
of the better sound, not for an ironic slant, while in the following phrase
I intend such a slant: top league professors can't be learned those very
simple methods, they hear only 'simple', the formula 'simple yet clever'
is beyond them).

What is mathematics? the logic of building and maintaining based on the
formula a = a which defines the ideal of technology. Goedel proved that
mathematical logic is a part of general logic. This wider form of logic
was defined by Goethe: All is equal, all unequal ..., a formula known to
artists of all times. Mathematics can't really be separated from general
logic and must be secured by 'illogical' rules from it, for example divisions
by zero are forbidden as they yield infinite which is equal unequal in itself.

Many consider mathematical logic logic per se (also in sci.lang). This
confusion is a further trap for potential kooks and hyperkooks, as we can
see in sci.logic and sci.lang.

Academe also has a hermeneutic problem which produces capital kooks in
archaeology, and now one of them found a wormhole into sci.lang. How a single
hyperkook usurps and ruins a once lively and intelligent forum can be seen
in humanities.lit.authors.shakespeare.

[Daud Deden]

On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 at 3:27:39 AM UTC-5, Franz Gnaedinger wrote:
> On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 12:38:07 PM UTC+1, Daud Deden wrote:
> >

> > IIRC Plato claimed that Solon had read the story of Atlantis from an inscribed column in a temple at Sais in Egypt. Perhaps it was not a stone column, but a number column?

>
> Adding a couple of numbers is nothing compared to piling up millions of stone
> blocks weighing tons.

On that I favor Dick Parry's theory that the typical limestone block was cut in the quarry and encased in curved 1/4 panels of wood, producing a wheel, which was encoiled with rope and pulled up ramps to be aligned and set.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 at 3:19:49 AM UTC-5, Franz Gnaedinger wrote:
> On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 4:04:46 PM UTC+1, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >
> > We have often seen your "memory" at work, for instance when misreporting what
> > you may have heard on British Swiss radio many years ago.
> >
>
> That was one single case, concerning the new English words and terms created
> by information technology. And not British Swiss radio, that does not exist.
>
> > What is "teaching professor"?
>
> He called himself a teaching professor of mathematics, in contrast to a research
> professor.
>
> > I really don't care what mathematicians, whether anonymous or not, say or do
> > not say about Egyptian mathematics, and I remain disgusted that you continue
> > to lie about what actual Egyptologists and historians know about this topic.
>
> Sci.cho, I know what actual Egyptologists are saying about Egyptian knowledge.
> For example Mark Lehner:

Show me where he has analyzed Egyptian mathematical papyri.

According to this, he's an archeologist and a TV star, and no academic
position is listed; nothing suggests he even took Egyptian 101 at Yale.
It doesn't say how he got to work at Giza without post-graduate training
(doesn't say where his undergraduate degree may have been from).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Lehner

And his first book is based on the writings, or ravings, of Edgar Cayce??

> the methods he proposes for pyramid building are

Nothing to do with Egyptian knowledge of mathematics. Can you or can you
not EVER address the points raised by your distractions?

> just ridiculous, they work for a NOVA pyramid with a side length of some
> five meters, but NEVER for a real pyramid, let alone the Great Pyramid with
> the halucinatory prescision measured and published by Rainer Stadelmann
> (who is against so-called pyramidiots and pyramid geometry but gives me the
> most precious numbers at hand). I jobbed for three years measuring and drawing
> sports fields including hand ball and tennis and stadia, and know the practical
> problems of measuring large fields. The methods proposed by Mark Lehner would
> never work, they are typical professoral desktop phantasies. And now, sci.cho,
> stop calling me a liar.
>
> > WHEN WILL YOU LEARN THE MEANING OF "LEARN"??????
>
> I give an ironic slant to a message when I want, always in honor of Mark Twain.

You are not fit to polish the boots of Mark Twain.

[Doctor Denkenstein]

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 3:36:38 AM UTC-6, Franz Gnaedinger wrote:

> On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 5:34:01 PM UTC+1, Antitheism wrote:
> > On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 3:51:12 AM UTC-6, Franz Gnaedinger wrote:
> > >
> > > Tabernacles under Mars Stonehenge Heelstone and under Earth Stonehenge Heelstone prove God(s)?
> > > Our answer's no. The gold Mishkans only prove Mars Creatures and Earth Creatures created God(s).
> > >
> > > https://www.pinterest.com/pin/510595676498780899/
> > > https://www.pinterest.com/pin/427630927112315222/
> > >
> > > Universal Magnetic Reversal immediately after Excavation of either of said Tabernacles prove God(s)?
> > > Simply a coincidence. That will not prove Mars Creatures' and/or Earth Creatures' god(s) are God(s).
> > >
> > > http://disc.yourwebapps.com/Indices/246465.html
> > >
> > > Women of Galilei
> > > Men of Galilei
> >
> > These newsgroups are for Antitheism, Anti-theism and Atheism news.
> > Your post contains neither. Courteously by mail we have referred you.
> >
> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.atheism
> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/anti-theism
> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/antitheism
> >
> > Thank You.
> > Antitheism
>
> What kook are you? I didn't write that blatant nonsense. It comes from the new
> hyperkook acquired by sci.lang over the turn of year. I warned this group
> already last year about a new hyperkook lurking in the shadows, but was not
> taken seriously.

Perhaps a 48 inch oilfield pipe wrench rammed up your ass and out your mouth would help?
It would give you some teeth to grind with instead of flapping your gums. Whaddaya think?

Dr. Denkenstein

[Alt.Atheism]

LOL

Alt.Atheism

[Franz Gnaedinger]

On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 at 10:43:32 PM UTC+1, Alt.Atheism wrote:
>
> > Perhaps a 48 inch oilfield pipe wrench rammed up your ass and out your mouth would help?
> > It would give you some teeth to grind with instead of flapping your gums. Whaddaya think?
> >
> > Dr. Denkenstein
>
> LOL
>
> Alt.Atheism

I warned sci.lang from a hyperkook lurking in the shadow, now it is here,
a capital kook of the split-minded variety..

[Franz Gnaedinger]

On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 at 3:51:24 PM UTC+1, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
> Show me where he has analyzed Egyptian mathematical papyri.
>
> According to this, he's an archeologist and a TV star, and no academic
> position is listed; nothing suggests he even took Egyptian 101 at Yale.
> It doesn't say how he got to work at Giza without post-graduate training
> (doesn't say where his undergraduate degree may have been from).
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Lehner
>
> And his first book is based on the writings, or ravings, of Edgar Cayce??

He is the leading American expert on pyramids.

> Nothing to do with Egyptian knowledge of mathematics. Can you or can you
> not EVER address the points raised by your distractions?

Of course it has. Academe allows only pyramid methods that require no real
mathematics, and thus every published method fails. For example the spiral
ramps are way too steeeep, the only ramps that work are spiral ramps that
ascend very very slowly, cover the growing pyramid entirely, and thus require
mathematics, namely, the ratios 99/70 and 140/99 for the square root of 2,
as explained in my page http://www.seshat.ch/home/egypt2.htm (then egypt3)

> You are not fit to polish the boots of Mark Twain.

I am always allowed to honor him.

[Franz Gnaedinger]

Maybe Garry Denke alias everybody with a sounding name from GOD to Satan
struggles for power among the wicca community, or however they call themselves?
Look at me, I am so powerful, I usurp and ruin two scientific fora (sci.arch-
aeology and sci.lang), you must make me your chieftain, leader, Führer!
Heil mysself! - Yes, heil him = heal him, if that is still possible.

[McJesus]

Hello Dolly

All you Sons of Bitches'll be Anti-theists on Dig my Arks day
All you Sons of Bitches'll be Antitheists on Dig my Arks day
All you Sons of Bitches'll be Atheists on Dig my Arks day

from: Denoco Inc. <deno...@gmail.com>
Attachments - 2:30 PM (30 minutes ago)
to: nyt...@nytimes.com, app...@theguardian.com
cc: Melchizedek King of Salem <Melchizedek...@aol.com>,
HM Queen Elizabeth II <Alt.A...@aol.com>
bcc: an...@megalithic.co.uk
date: Jan 16, 2019, 2:30 PM
subject: Hello Dolly

FINAL REPORT: JAN 10-15

Carol Elaine Channing Lowe Kullijian
David Robert Haywood Jones
Robert Haywood Jones
Dolly O'Riordan

Arks of the Covenants:

Ground Control:
____________________________________________

from: Garry Denke <garry...@gmail.com>
Attachments - 2:22 PM (32 minutes ago)
to: app...@theguardian.com, nyt...@nytimes.com
cc: Melchizedek King of Salem <Melchizedek...@aol.com>,
HM Queen Elizabeth II <Alt.A...@aol.com>
bcc: an...@megalithic.co.uk
date: Jan 16, 2019, 2:22 AM
subject: Hello Dolly

FINAL REPORT: JAN 10-15

Carol Elaine Channing Lowe Kullijian
David Robert Haywood Jones
Robert Haywood Jones
Dolly O'Riordan

Arks of the Covenants:

Ground Control:
____________________________________________

Major Tom coring report to Ziggy Stardust
confirms Ark of the Covenant underneath
Stonehenge Heel Stone on Planet Mars

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mars_Gold_Ark_Map.jpg
Dr. Haywood Jones

Ziggy Stardust coring report to Major Tom
confirms Ark of the Covenant underneath
Stonehenge Heel Stone on Planet Earth

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Earth_Gold_Ark_Map.jpg
Dr. Haywood Jones
____________________________________________

Major Tom and Ziggy Stardust
Transmissions Intercepted by
Dolly Mary Eileen O'Riordan
and Carol Elaine Channing

Reconfirmed by Dolly
and Dolly on Jan 15

1 Ark / Planet

(Gee whiz, Dolly and Dolly left
this out by mistake, best part)
David Bowie
___________________________________________

https://garry-denke.blogspot.com/
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/anti-theism
https://denocoinc.blogspot.com/
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/antitheism

Hello Dolly

Attachments:

Sacred Sites and Megalithic Mysteries_ Stonehenge Mars _ Stonehenge Earth _ The Megalithic Portal and Megalith Map_ .html
Sacred Sites and Megalithic Mysteries_ Stonehenge Mars _ Stonehenge Earth _ The Megalithic Portal and Megalith Map_ (1).html

McJesus

[Franz Gnaedinger]

> Maybe Garry Denke alias everybody with a sounding name from GOD to Satan
> struggles for power among the wicca community, or however they call themselves?
> Look at me, I am so powerful, I usurp and ruin two scientific fora (sci.arch-
> aeology and sci.lang), you must make me your chieftain, leader, Führer!
> Heil mysself! - Yes, heil him = heal him, if that is still possible.

Before my time in the monastery school there was a pupil by the name of Kasimir.
He learned the Latin dictionary by heart, all the words until K like Kasimir,
then he went kokos, abandoned the school, entered the monastery as a frater
and worked mainly in the kitchen. One night he was tired of washing the dishes
of the some 230 pupils. He got a shovel, dug a pit in the monastery garden,
buried the plates and dishes and cutlery and jugs and glasses, covered them
with the dug up earth, went to bed and enjoied his well earned sleep. A Kasimir
of these days buries his empty dishes in sci.archaeology and sci.lang etcetera.
And is the contrary of our humble monastery Kasimir.

[Hello Dolly]

On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 1:46:03 AM UTC-6, Franz Gnaedinger wrote:
>
> Maybe 'garrydenke' alias everybody

Yes 'darkenergy' created everybody
___________________________________

Read the "SuperMcbook of SuperMcfaith" (hardcover)

Vol 1. McVedas, author McKrishna
Vol 2. McOld Testament, author McMoses
Vol 3. McTao Te Ching, author McLaozi
Vol 4. McTripitaka, author McBuddha
Vol 5. McNew Testament, author McJesus
Vol 6. McKoran, author McMuhammad
Vol 7. McMormon, author McSmith

Yes created Sci.Lang also.

Hello Dolly

[McJesus]

Yep... And it Worked.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/controversial-mcjesus-art-sculture-defended-by-israel
http://time.com/5502247/mcjesus-sculpture/

God, LORD God, and LORD,
Lucifer, the Devil, and Satan,
Father, Son, and Holy Spirit,

The Holy Ghost,
Shaitan, & Iblis,
Allah the above,

McJesus

[McJesus]

On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 2:49:41 AM UTC-6, Hello Dolly wrote:
> On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 1:46:03 AM UTC-6, Franz Gnaedinger wrote:
> >

> > Maybe 'darkenergy' alias everybody
>
> Yes 'garrydenke' created everybody

> ___________________________________
>
> Read the "SuperMcbook of SuperMcfaith" (hardcover)
>
> Vol 1. McVedas, author McKrishna
> Vol 2. McOld Testament, author McMoses
> Vol 3. McTao Te Ching, author McLaozi
> Vol 4. McTripitaka, author McBuddha
> Vol 5. McNew Testament, author McJesus
> Vol 6. McKoran, author McMuhammad
> Vol 7. McMormon, author McSmith
>
> Yes created Sci.Lang also.
>
> Hello Dolly

Yep... And it Worked

https://www.foxnews.com/world/controversial-mcjesus-art-sculture-defended-by-israel
http://time.com/5502247/mcjesus-sculpture/

God, LORD God, and LORD

Lucifer, the Devil, and Satan
Father, Son, and Holy Spirit

The Holy Ghost
Shaitan, & Iblis
Allah the above

~ McJesus

[Belle Starr]

On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 3:00:07 AM UTC-6, McJesus wrote:
> On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 8:58:09 AM UTC-6, McBilly the Kid wrote:
> > On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 7:03:13 AM UTC-6, McDr. Denkenstein wrote:
> > >
> > > Why did I create McGod? and Why did I create McSatan?
> > > Ye hideous McSapient creatures Kept bothering McMe.
> > >
> > > Non-believers know the "McWizard of Oz" and
> > > believers do not know the "McWizard of Oz".
> > > So never "Follow the Yellow McBrick road".
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TguQUMR4l_4
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ati1qZjaeu8
> > >
> > > I created McGod,
> > > and McSatan.
> > >
> > > McDr. Denkenstein
> >
> > Jolly good. Cheerio
> >
> > Pip pip
>
> Yep... And it Worked;
> https://www.foxnews.com/world/controversial-mcjesus-art-sculture-defended-by-israel
> http://time.com/5502247/mcjesus-sculpture/
>
> God, LORD God, and McLORD;
> Lucifer, the Devil, and McSatan;
> Father, Son, and McHoly Spirit;
>
> The McHoly Ghost;
> Shaitan, & McIblis;
> McAllah the above;
>
> McJesus;

Yes, McGarry McDenke created All;
___________________________________

Read the 'SuperMcbook of SuperMcfaith'; (softcover)

Vol 1. McVedas, author McKrishna;
Vol 2. McOld Testament, author McMoses;
Vol 3. McTao Te Ching, author McLaozi;
Vol 4. McTripitaka, author McBuddha;
Vol 5. McNew Testament, author McJesus;
Vol 6. McKoran, author McMuhammad;

Vol 7. McMormon, author McSmith;

Even Sci.Archaeology; (owns it)
https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us.html

Belle Starr

[Doc Holliday]

http://americawestdrillingsupply.com/products2/PipeWrenches-Ridgid.asp
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holliday,_Texas

Doc Holliday

[Franz Gnaedinger]

> Before my time in the monastery school there was a pupil by the name of Kasimir.
> He learned the Latin dictionary by heart, all the words until K like Kasimir,
> then he went kokos, abandoned the school, entered the monastery as a frater
> and worked mainly in the kitchen. One night he was tired of washing the dishes
> of the some 230 pupils. He got a shovel, dug a pit in the monastery garden,
> buried the plates and dishes and cutlery and jugs and glasses, covered them
> with the dug up earth, went to bed and enjoied his well earned sleep. A Kasimir
> of these days buries his empty dishes in sci.archaeology and sci.lang etcetera.
> And is the contrary of our humble monastery Kasimir.

What if he is an AI bot simulating a split-minded personality? The other
way round, his personality drives him toward an agitated while infertile
automatism, analogous to the rather katatonic automatism of the single
individuum thar ruins humanities.lit.authors.shakespeare.

[Franz Gnaedinger]

> What if he is an AI bot simulating a split-minded personality? The other
> way round, his personality drives him toward an agitated while infertile
> automatism, analogous to the rather katatonic automatism of the single
> individuum thar ruins humanities.lit.authors.shakespeare.

Garry Denke invokes the powers of heaven and hell and science and films with
his ever more numerous aliases, and says that he is not only God and Satan
but also the creator of God and the creator of Satan, hence the ultimate power
that can possibly be, façade of his powerless infertile self that finds a
reflection in his equation

infinite = 0.000...001 = zero

The infinite stands for all his powerful aliases, the term 0.000...001 for
his little self that is practically nothing, zero.

A really sad profile and summary of an existence. Doesn't he have something
real to do, a modest but useful task that makes life satisfying?

[Franz Gnaedinger]

> Garry Denke invokes the powers of heaven and hell and science and films with
> his ever more numerous aliases, and says that he is not only God and Satan
> but also the creator of God and the creator of Satan, hence the ultimate power
> that can possibly be, façade of his powerless infertile self that finds a
> reflection in his equation
>
> infinite = 0.000...001 = zero
>
> The infinite stands for all his powerful aliases, the term 0.000...001 for
> his little self that is practically nothing, zero.
>
> A really sad profile and summary of an existence. Doesn't he have something
> real to do, a modest but useful task that makes life satisfying?

The bigger his claims, the smaller he is himself. Now he wishes a Happy
Holocaust Day and claims that he ordered the killing of 6,000,000 Jews.

[Franz Gnaedinger]

> The bigger his claims, the smaller he is himself. Now he wishes a Happy
> Holocaust Day and claims that he ordered the killing of 6,000,000 Jews.

Garry Denke invokes ever more powers, desperately and shamelessly. His core
message is that all the forces of the universe gather in his name under the
Heel Stone of Stonehenge - Garry Denke GD GoD GOD, Garry G God, Denke D devil.
He entangled himself in a vortex of powers he can't control, instead provides
us with a sad spectacle of a mind exploding in slow motion.

[Butch Cassidy]

THE LAST JUDGMENT

1. Abortion:
O LORD God Almighty said, Abortion is now acceptable on this planet when solely desired by the embryo mother; there are too many souls on this planet, and 144,000 new developing exoplanets need old souls.

2. Birth Control:
O LORD God Almighty said, Birth control is now acceptable on this planet when solely desired by the male and the female; there are too many souls on this planet, and 144,000 new developing exoplanets need old souls.

3. Death Penalty:
O LORD God Almighty said, Death penalty is now acceptable on this planet when solely desired by the jurisdiction; there are too many souls on this planet, and 144,000 new developing exoplanets need old souls.

4. Euthanasia:
O LORD God Almighty said, Euthanasia is now acceptable on this planet when solely desired by the body's owner; there are too many souls on this planet, and 144,000 new developing exoplanets need old souls.

5. Human Embryos:
O LORD God Almighty said, Human embryo destruction is now acceptable on this planet when solely desired by the embryo owner; there are too many souls on this planet, and 144,000 new developing exoplanets need old souls.

6. Human Cloning:
O LORD God Almighty said, Human cloning is now acceptable on this planet when solely desired by the donor(s): however; there are too many souls on this planet, and 144,000 new developing exoplanets need old souls.

7. Marriage:
O LORD God Almighty said, Marriage is not acceptable on this planet; as I wrote in 3rd Gospel 20:35; But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage.

ALL HAIL Peteolcott! O LORD God Almighty!

Big Nose Kate
John Wesley Hardin
Butch Cassidy
Wyatt Earp
Jesse James
Wild Bill Hickok
Billy the Kid
Doc Holliday
Belle Starr
Grat Dalton

[Franz Gnaedinger]

> Garry Denke invokes ever more powers, desperately and shamelessly. His core
> message is that all the forces of the universe gather in his name under the
> Heel Stone of Stonehenge - Garry Denke GD GoD GOD, Garry G God, Denke D devil.
> He entangled himself in a vortex of powers he can't control, instead provides
> us with a sad spectacle of a mind exploding in slow motion.

What came first, Garry G God or Denke D devil? Is Garry Denke fighting an inner
battle? finding temporary relief in his massive posting that carries the inner
war to the outside, away from him? projecting it under the Heel Stone of Stone-
henge that sounds like Heal Stone? so that his behaving is actually a cry for
help and healing? in the wrong place, but still?

[Franz Gnaedinger]

> What came first, Garry G God or Denke D devil? Is Garry Denke fighting an inner
> battle? finding temporary relief in his massive posting that carries the inner
> war to the outside, away from him? projecting it under the Heel Stone of Stone-
> henge that sounds like Heal Stone? so that his behaving is actually a cry for
> help and healing? in the wrong place, but still?

Philosophy and neurology can't explain consciousness. However, neurologists
gained a lot of insights over the past twenty years and propose a model of
how the mind works.

The human brain contains one hundred billion neurons, each connected with
a thousand other neurons - a high complexity corresponding to a mathematical
space of a dozen dimensions.

All neurons together form a large neural network. Within the large network
are partial networks that communicate with each other: an old network that
is concerned with the outer world via the senses, followed by a younger
network that is concerned with our inner life, and a variety of smaller
partial networks, all of them connected by 'white lines' that can be seen
as information highways.

Now this approach to the workings of the mind raises a question: what if
the partial networks are out of sync?

[Franz Gnaedinger]

> Philosophy and neurology can't explain consciousness. However, neurologists
> gained a lot of insights over the past twenty years and propose a model of
> how the mind works.
>
> The human brain contains one hundred billion neurons, each connected with
> a thousand other neurons - a high complexity corresponding to a mathematical
> space of a dozen dimensions.
>
> All neurons together form a large neural network. Within the large network
> are partial networks that communicate with each other: an old network that
> is concerned with the outer world via the senses, followed by a younger
> network that is concerned with our inner life, and a variety of smaller
> partial networks, all of them connected by 'white lines' that can be seen
> as information highways.
>
> Now this approach to the workings of the mind raises a question: what if
> the partial networks are out of sync?

No grammar center has been found in the human brain. The forming of a sentence
is now understood as 'recursive sequencing' that can be compared to the way
we move an arm: a first muscle makes a beginning, a second muscle adds a
contribution, a third muscle a correction, and so on. We may then assume that
speaking involves the various partial networks of the brain.

Consider also that vision occupies more than thirty areas of the brain, in all
half of the brain.

Gothic saiwala English soul inspired a Magdalenian compound: SAI POL saiwala
sawol soul, SAI meaning life, existence, and POL naming a fortified settlement
- a well organized (early) town as metaphor for the soul ... Freud compared
the soul to Rome, an imaginary Rome where all the buildings of all times
are still standing, while quickly built modern towns and quarters are sometimes
called soulless, German seelenlos.

We have then a multiple analogy connecting soul and brain and language and
vision and a well organized town.

What if the complex communication and cooperation between the partial networks
in the brain fail?

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 3:38:25 AM UTC-5, Franz Gnaedinger wrote:
> > Philosophy and neurology can't explain consciousness. However, neurologists
> > gained a lot of insights over the past twenty years and propose a model of
> > how the mind works.
> >
> > The human brain contains one hundred billion neurons, each connected with
> > a thousand other neurons - a high complexity corresponding to a mathematical
> > space of a dozen dimensions.
> >
> > All neurons together form a large neural network. Within the large network
> > are partial networks that communicate with each other: an old network that
> > is concerned with the outer world via the senses, followed by a younger
> > network that is concerned with our inner life, and a variety of smaller
> > partial networks, all of them connected by 'white lines' that can be seen
> > as information highways.
> >
> > Now this approach to the workings of the mind raises a question: what if
> > the partial networks are out of sync?
>
> No grammar center has been found in the human brain. The forming of a sentence
> is now understood as 'recursive sequencing' that can be compared to the way
> we move an arm: a first muscle makes a beginning, a second muscle adds a
> contribution, a third muscle a correction, and so on. We may then assume that
> speaking involves the various partial networks of the brain.

Your neurolinguistics is _way_ out of date. That's a description of a
computer model that was popular in the 1990s that was easily proved far
too simplistic to account for basic human linguistic ability.

> Consider also that vision occupies more than thirty areas of the brain, in all
> half of the brain.

You have been seriously misled. _Everything_ the brain does involves regions
and connections throughout the brain, so _everything_ can be said to "occupy in all half of the brain." Different areas contribute in different amounts
to whatever is being thought or done.

[peteolcott]

On 2/1/2019 11:07 AM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 3:38:25 AM UTC-5, Franz Gnaedinger wrote:
>>> Philosophy and neurology can't explain consciousness. However, neurologists
>>> gained a lot of insights over the past twenty years and propose a model of
>>> how the mind works.
>>>
>>> The human brain contains one hundred billion neurons, each connected with
>>> a thousand other neurons - a high complexity corresponding to a mathematical
>>> space of a dozen dimensions.
>>>
>>> All neurons together form a large neural network. Within the large network
>>> are partial networks that communicate with each other: an old network that
>>> is concerned with the outer world via the senses, followed by a younger
>>> network that is concerned with our inner life, and a variety of smaller
>>> partial networks, all of them connected by 'white lines' that can be seen
>>> as information highways.
>>>
>>> Now this approach to the workings of the mind raises a question: what if
>>> the partial networks are out of sync?
>>
>> No grammar center has been found in the human brain. The forming of a sentence
>> is now understood as 'recursive sequencing' that can be compared to the way
>> we move an arm: a first muscle makes a beginning, a second muscle adds a
>> contribution, a third muscle a correction, and so on. We may then assume that
>> speaking involves the various partial networks of the brain.
>
> Your neurolinguistics is _way_ out of date. That's a description of a
> computer model that was popular in the 1990s that was easily proved far
> too simplistic to account for basic human linguistic ability.
>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurolinguistics
From a computer science AI perspective it seems to me that researchers are
totally off-track when they attempt to model the brain with neural networks.

This sort of technology is mostly useless for providing the means for computers
to understand the meaning of words. Instead of modeling the brain these AI
researchers should model the function of the brain called the mind. This requires
formulating all of the semantics of the meaning of words as the relations of
predicate logic.

The deep learning application to neural networks may very well be applied to
incremental improvements to semantic relations, once a basic foundation of these
semantic relations has already been established. Before then these software
technologies are essentially blind.

My original idea about this from decades ago was called bootstrap English. The
minimal understanding of language such the additional increments of understanding
could be acquired through automated processes.

[DKleinecke]

But experience shows the opposite.

Today we have neural-networks that provide listening and
speaking computers that people can communicate with using
human speech. Sixty years of work on the rules-based approach
was unable to do this.

I don't like this fact. But it is a fact.

[peteolcott]

The stochastic model is great if you have a feedback loop such that incremental
improvements can be measured to evolve slight increases in pattern recognition.

This technology is currently utterly useless for deriving incremental improvements
to semantic representations because subtle nuances of increases in semantic accuracy
have no way to be measured. Without a feedback loop deep learning neural networks
stumble around completely blind.

[DKleinecke]

I think that implies that present day AI researchers are
not interested in what you call "deep learning". They are
interested in incremental improvements in their machines
and keep making them. The AI researchers are practical
people - all they want to do is tell computers enough to
get the computers to do what they want the computer to do.

You seem to have different goals. So different tools are
suitable.

[Ruud Harmsen]

Fri, 1 Feb 2019 12:15:40 -0600: peteolcott <Here@Home> scribeva:

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurolinguistics
> From a computer science AI perspective it seems to me that researchers are
>totally off-track when they attempt to model the brain with neural networks.
>
>This sort of technology is mostly useless for providing the means for computers
>to understand the meaning of words.

Well, the results are stunning. See DeepL. But limitations exist.
Still.
--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

[Ruud Harmsen]

Fri, 1 Feb 2019 12:15:40 -0600: peteolcott <Here@Home> scribeva:

> Instead of modeling the brain these AI
>researchers should model the function of the brain called the mind. This requires
>formulating all of the semantics of the meaning of words as the relations of
>predicate logic.

Nonsense. Doesn't work, has been tried, didn't work, was and is
useless. A dead end.

[Ruud Harmsen]

Fri, 1 Feb 2019 12:15:40 -0600: peteolcott <Here@Home> scribeva:

>The deep learning application to neural networks may very well be applied to
>incremental improvements to semantic relations, once a basic foundation of these
>semantic relations has already been established. Before then these software
>technologies are essentially blind.
>
>My original idea about this from decades ago was called bootstrap English. The
>minimal understanding of language such the additional increments of understanding
>could be acquired through automated processes.

You don't understand what language is all about. No news.

[peteolcott]

Unless and until AI can make a mind that can reason with words it
will continue to remain much less useful.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/stephen-baker/how-could-ibms-watson-thi_b_823867.html
How Could IBM’s Watson Think That Toronto Is a U.S. City?

It has no real understanding of the meaning of words it only has heuristics
that make it a good guesser.

[peteolcott]

Yes the results outside of natural language understanding are quite stunning.
It can be applied to produce stunning results in NLU too. It needs someone
to build a bridge.

[peteolcott]

On 2/1/2019 4:37 PM, Ruud Harmsen wrote:

The natural preexisting order of the set of all conceptual knowledge is
exhaustively elaborated entirely as the relations between concepts.

The semantic content of every idea that can ever possibly exist is exhaustively
elaborated as relations to other ideas.

The above seems to be my own unique insight.

--
Copyright 2019 Pete Olcott
All rights reserved

[peteolcott]

On 2/1/2019 4:37 PM, Ruud Harmsen wrote:

It is NOT about what language is all about that it the point.

The point is what is the best way to teach machines to understand natural language?

Doing everything by hand like Doug Lenat has been doing is not the best way.

This shotgun approach is not without merit. Doug's upper ontology can
be tweaked to become the foundation of the Bootstrap process.

Mathematically interpolating the minimal set required such that machines
can learn the rest on their own, is the best approach. This minimal set
will be some kind of upper ontology, combined with some minimal rules of grammar.

[DKleinecke]

I am inclined to think that description applies to human
beings as well as Watson - we are all good guessers. IMO
the evidence suggests that human minds work like neural
nets - with some (doubtless important) differences in detail.

But I think no conclusive conclusion has been reached. It is
still possible that the rules we read into the mind's behavior
are real rules and that these rules explain everything.

[DKleinecke]

If so the "minimal rules of grammar" will be a VERY large
minimal and a wonder to behold .

[Ruud Harmsen]

Fri, 1 Feb 2019 22:19:52 -0600: peteolcott <Here@Home> scribeva:

>Mathematically interpolating the minimal set required such that machines
>can learn the rest on their own, is the best approach. This minimal set
>will be some kind of upper ontology, combined with some minimal rules of grammar.

Successful neural net translators such as DeepL don't work a minimal
set, but with massive sets of sentence pairs.

[Ruud Harmsen]

Fri, 1 Feb 2019 22:12:28 -0600: peteolcott <Here@Home> scribeva:

It's nice in theory but doesn't work well in practice.

[Franz Gnaedinger]

On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 6:07:02 PM UTC+1, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
> Your neurolinguistics is _way_ out of date. That's a description of a
> computer model that was popular in the 1990s that was easily proved far
> too simplistic to account for basic human linguistic ability.

'Recursive sequencing' is a new model of sentence forming based on modern
neurology, dismissing for example Chomsky's grammar, and all other one-
dimensional grammars. As I said many times, my understanding of grammar is
that the brain combines various grammars, classical grammar, the grammar
of Pater Rupert Ruhstaller, Chomsky's grammar, further models, and the very
basic grammar of attracting and guiding attention.

> You have been seriously misled. _Everything_ the brain does involves regions
> and connections throughout the brain, so _everything_ can be said to "occupy in all half of the brain." Different areas contribute in different amounts
> to whatever is being thought or done.

All the areas that are concerned with vision occupy half the brain; the human
brain uses one sixth of the energy the body consumes, and thus one twelfth
of the energy we take up with our food is consumed by the brain areas engaged
in vision. I don't say those areas are concerned with vision _alone_, but
they _are_ concerned with vision. I studied vision in the 1970 and 80s as
a constructive process which I derived from Leonardo da Vinci's Mona Lisa
painting, in my opinion an allegory of seeing. Leonardo anticipated insights
we are gaining only now, with high tech. He did it with simple yet clever
optical and sensual experiments. And came very far.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 11:02:09 PM UTC-5, peteolcott wrote:

> Unless and until AI can make a mind that can reason with words it
> will continue to remain much less useful.
>
> https://www.huffingtonpost.com/stephen-baker/how-could-ibms-watson-thi_b_823867.html
> How Could IBM’s Watson Think That Toronto Is a U.S. City?
>
> It has no real understanding of the meaning of words it only has heuristics
> that make it a good guesser.

It only won its Jeopardy! match because its reaction time was set slightly
faster than human reaction time. Ken Jennings in a TV Guide interview had
said that the key to his record winning-streak was pushing the button even
if he wasn't sure of the answer immediately, since he had several seconds
to respond after being recognized.

After the exhibition game, he was gracious enough not to point out that
the programmers had cheated.

[peteolcott]

Humans have knowledge ontologies with many very deep hierarchical connections,
Watson has a much shallower depth thus a very superficial understanding of the
meaning of words. This greatly limits the breadth and accuracy of all of its
inferences.

Until a machine has a fully populated knowledge ontology its inference will
be extremely limited. Whether it is manually populated or populated by
an automated process the result will require predicate logic relations between
concepts.

All human knowledge is inherently structured in HOL predicate relations such
as the kind that Minimal Type Theory has been designed to represent.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/317953772_Provability_with_Minimal_Type_Theory

[peteolcott]

Since it will be specified at the part-of-speech level of abstraction it
need not be very large.

[peteolcott]

Like everything else. No system ever works in practice when it is implemented
incorrectly. If you even look inside your own mind to see how you yourself
have your own definitions of the meanings of words organized you will see that
you organize them entirely as a hierarchy of relations between other concepts.

[peteolcott]

An upper ontology bridge can be provided such that incremental improvements
to NLU accuracy can be detected and provided as a feedback loop to change
the ontology population process.

Unless a system has a way to determine the difference in accuracy between
a pair of knowledge representations it has no way to evolve improvements
to its process.

[peteolcott]

On 2/2/2019 4:15 AM, Franz Gnaedinger wrote:
> On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 6:07:02 PM UTC+1, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>
>> Your neurolinguistics is _way_ out of date. That's a description of a
>> computer model that was popular in the 1990s that was easily proved far
>> too simplistic to account for basic human linguistic ability.
>
> 'Recursive sequencing' is a new model of sentence forming based on modern
> neurology, dismissing for example Chomsky's grammar, and all other one-
> dimensional grammars. As I said many times, my understanding of grammar is
> that the brain combines various grammars, classical grammar, the grammar
> of Pater Rupert Ruhstaller, Chomsky's grammar, further models, and the very
> basic grammar of attracting and guiding attention.
>

It seems to me that you just proved that you actually understand these things.

[peteolcott]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA
My point here was that its understanding of the meaning of words (when compared
to the depth of human understanding) was nearly as shallow as Eliza.

It may have been 1000-fold better than Eliza and 1,000,000-fold more shallow
than humans.

[Ruud Harmsen]

Sat, 2 Feb 2019 09:59:19 -0600: peteolcott <Here@Home> scribeva:

>Like everything else. No system ever works in practice when it is implemented
>incorrectly. If you even look inside your own mind to see how you yourself
>have your own definitions of the meanings of words organized you will see that
>you organize them entirely as a hierarchy of relations between other concepts.

The inside of my mind consists of utter chaos in which nothing is
conciously organised, let alone "as a hierarchy of relations between
other concepts."

I do have associations here inside, but these aren't hierarchical.

[peteolcott]

So the fact that a cat is an animal and animals are living things
is no where in your mind?

[DKleinecke]

How a human mind saves "facts" remains a complete mystery.

We know it isn't localized anywhere in the mind.

[peteolcott]

I am NOT referring to the biochemical process. I am referring to how
facts are organized in the mind. Humans certainly do not memorize the
infinite set of finite strings of each statement of fact that could
possibly be made. Facts are organized in a knowledge ontology hierarchy.

The category of {cat} is understood to belong to the category of {animal}
and likewise for {animal} and {living thing}.

[Ruud Harmsen]

Sat, 2 Feb 2019 10:42:33 -0600: peteolcott <Here@Home> scribeva:

Now that you mention it, yes I am aware of those facts. But it's not
what comes to mind when I see or meet a cat. It's more like "they are
SO different from dogs!!!". Behaviourwise, not so much physically.