luwian (hittite) hieroglyphic question
cgbusch
"The Story of Decipherment: From Egyptian Hieroglyphs to Maya Script"
Maurice Pope; Paperback; @ $13.97 each
"The Blackwell Encyclopedia of Writing Systems"
Florian Coulmas; Paperback; @ $38.95 each
and coupled with a online Luwian dictionary (of unknown quality) and
information from ancient scripts .com, I think I can try to decipher
some scripts.
But it is missing some glyphs, namely *|* (where the * little squares
and are suspended in the air along the horiz midpoint of |). What is
that symbol?
Is it the *?* symbol listed in the glyph lists?
Is there a better mailing list or newsgroup to discuss luwian
(hittite) hieroglyphic?
--
CB
grapheus
I guess (but I may be wrong!) that the sign you described is the n°
439 of the Laroche's list, of which value is WA.
I am afraid that you are trying to "reinvent the wheel" !... Your
"method of reading" the Hittite/Luwian Hieroglyphic inscriptions is
too naive to succeed. Before launching your enterprise, you MUST
first read EVERYTHING which has been written on the subject, to make
your own opinion about diverse disputed questions on the subject
(There is, for instance, a pretty important difference between J.D.
Hawkins and G.Neumann's ideas and the J. Faucounau's ones )...
Moreover the books you are using have been written by scholars not
specialized in THIS type of script and language... (except maybe the
Luwian online dictionary).
grapheus
cgbusch
> 439 of the Laroche's list, of which value is WA.
> I am afraid that you are trying to "reinvent the wheel" !... Your
> "method of reading" the Hittite/Luwian Hieroglyphic inscriptions is
> too naive to succeed. Before launching your enterprise, you MUST
> first read EVERYTHING which has been written on the subject, to make
I have read everything that I could get my hands on. Which is too
little imho. Can you recommend something specific to read on the
subject?
If you don't try you can't learn.
grapheus
> > I guess (but I may be wrong!) that the sign you described is the n°
> > 439 of the Laroche's list, of which value is WA.
> > I am afraid that you are trying to "reinvent the wheel" !... Your
> > "method of reading" the Hittite/Luwian Hieroglyphic inscriptions is
> > too naive to succeed. Before launching your enterprise, you MUST
> > first read EVERYTHING which has been written on the subject, to make
>
> I have read everything that I could get my hands on. Which is too
> little imho. Can you recommend something specific to read on the
> subject?
>
It depends of what language you can read. Scholars who have dealt with
the Hittite/Luwian Hieroglyphic Script were mainly German (e.g. G.
Neumann, H.G. Güterbock, etc.), French (E. Laroche, E. Masson, J.
Faucounau) and Italian (P. Meriggi). If you are reading only English,
I am afraid that you will be limited to the ideas of H. Craig Melchert
and J.D. Hawkins. These authors are good, but their ideas have not
been unanimously accepted...even by an Englich speaking specialist
like I.J. Gelb, whose ideas are closer from J. Faucounau's, for
instance !..
grapheus
Peter T. Daniels
>
> cgb...@yahoo.com (cgbusch) wrote in message news:<f35fca54.03032...@posting.google.com>...
> > > I guess (but I may be wrong!) that the sign you described is the n°
> > > 439 of the Laroche's list, of which value is WA.
> > > I am afraid that you are trying to "reinvent the wheel" !... Your
> > > "method of reading" the Hittite/Luwian Hieroglyphic inscriptions is
> > > too naive to succeed. Before launching your enterprise, you MUST
> > > first read EVERYTHING which has been written on the subject, to make
> >
> > I have read everything that I could get my hands on. Which is too
> > little imho. Can you recommend something specific to read on the
> > subject?
> >
>
> It depends of what language you can read. Scholars who have dealt with
> the Hittite/Luwian Hieroglyphic Script were mainly German (e.g. G.
> Neumann, H.G. Güterbock, etc.), French (E. Laroche, E. Masson, J.
> Faucounau) and Italian (P. Meriggi). If you are reading only English,
> I am afraid that you will be limited to the ideas of H. Craig Melchert
> and J.D. Hawkins. These authors are good, but their ideas have not
> been unanimously accepted...even by an Englich speaking specialist
> like I.J. Gelb, whose ideas are closer from J. Faucounau's, for
> instance !..
Please don't slander my teacher.
Among the decipherers, Gelb was the one who made the single greatest
contribution and continued to pursue the subject for some 15 years.
Hans Güterbock was an American citizen for over 50 years and carried out
by far the greatest part of his research in the USA. (And published in
English.)
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Peter T. Daniels gram...@att.net
grapheus
> grapheus wrote:
> >
> > cgb...@yahoo.com (cgbusch) wrote in message news:<f35fca54.03032...@posting.google.com>...
> > > > I guess (but I may be wrong!) that the sign you described is the n°
> > > > 439 of the Laroche's list, of which value is WA.
> > > > I am afraid that you are trying to "reinvent the wheel" !... Your
> > > > "method of reading" the Hittite/Luwian Hieroglyphic inscriptions is
> > > > too naive to succeed. Before launching your enterprise, you MUST
> > > > first read EVERYTHING which has been written on the subject, to make
> > >
> > > I have read everything that I could get my hands on. Which is too
> > > little imho. Can you recommend something specific to read on the
> > > subject?
> > >
> >
> > It depends of what language you can read. Scholars who have dealt with
> > the Hittite/Luwian Hieroglyphic Script were mainly German (e.g. G.
> > Neumann, H.G. Güterbock, etc.), French (E. Laroche, E. Masson, J.
> > Faucounau) and Italian (P. Meriggi). If you are reading only English,
> > I am afraid that you will be limited to the ideas of H. Craig Melchert
> > and J.D. Hawkins. These authors are good, but their ideas have not
> > been unanimously accepted...even by an Englich speaking specialist
> > like I.J. Gelb, whose ideas are closer from J. Faucounau's, for
> > instance !..
>
> Please don't slander my teacher.
>
Where is the slander ????... Do you consider calling German by mistake
an American citizen is slander?..
> Among the decipherers, Gelb was the one who made the single greatest
> contribution and continued to pursue the subject for some 15 years.
>
Did I say the contrary ?..
> Hans Güterbock was an American citizen for over 50 years and carried out
> by far the greatest part of his research in the USA. (And published in
> English.)
Sorry for the mistake !..
grapheus
Peter T. Daniels
> > > It depends of what language you can read. Scholars who have dealt with
> > > the Hittite/Luwian Hieroglyphic Script were mainly German (e.g. G.
> > > Neumann, H.G. Güterbock, etc.), French (E. Laroche, E. Masson, J.
> > > Faucounau) and Italian (P. Meriggi). If you are reading only English,
> > > I am afraid that you will be limited to the ideas of H. Craig Melchert
> > > and J.D. Hawkins. These authors are good, but their ideas have not
> > > been unanimously accepted...even by an Englich speaking specialist
> > > like I.J. Gelb, whose ideas are closer from J. Faucounau's, for
> > > instance !..
> >
> > Please don't slander my teacher.
> >
>
> Where is the slander ????... Do you consider calling German by mistake
> an American citizen is slander?..
You said that Gelb is like Faucounau. That is slander.
From just the couple of webpages you've sent me to, it's abundantly
clear that your idol has no comprehension of how languages, scripts, or
decipherment works, the exact opposite of the great linguist and
philologist I. J. Gelb.
> > Among the decipherers, Gelb was the one who made the single greatest
> > contribution and continued to pursue the subject for some 15 years.
> >
>
> Did I say the contrary ?..
>
> > Hans Güterbock was an American citizen for over 50 years and carried out
> > by far the greatest part of his research in the USA. (And published in
> > English.)
>
> Sorry for the mistake !..
grapheus
> grapheus wrote:
>
> > > > It depends of what language you can read. Scholars who have dealt with
> > > > the Hittite/Luwian Hieroglyphic Script were mainly German (e.g. G.
> > > > Neumann, H.G. Güterbock, etc.), French (E. Laroche, E. Masson, J.
> > > > Faucounau) and Italian (P. Meriggi). If you are reading only English,
> > > > I am afraid that you will be limited to the ideas of H. Craig Melchert
> > > > and J.D. Hawkins. These authors are good, but their ideas have not
> > > > been unanimously accepted...even by an Englich speaking specialist
> > > > like I.J. Gelb, whose ideas are closer from J. Faucounau's, for
> > > > instance !..
> > >
> > > Please don't slander my teacher.
> > >
> >
> > Where is the slander ????... Do you consider calling German by mistake
> > an American citizen is slander?..
>
> You said that Gelb is like Faucounau. That is slander.
>
> From just the couple of webpages you've sent me to, it's abundantly
> clear that your idol has no comprehension of how languages, scripts, or
> decipherment works, the exact opposite of the great linguist and
> philologist I. J. Gelb.
>
I bet anything you want that, contrary to me, YOU have NEVER read a
single linguistical paper from "my idol", as you call him !.. You are
in your eyes so intelligent that you may judge about the value of the
work of a linguist ONLY FROM A FEW WEB PAGES !... Whow ! How
intelligent you must be !.. Surely a lot more than the - certainly
stupid !- redactors in chief of - certainly worthless !- scholarly
journals like the "Revue d'Assyriologie", the "Belleten", the
"Journal des Etudes Indoeuropéennes", "Kadmos", etc.. who have - WHAT
A STUPID THING ! - published papers of a scholar who has been
DEFINITELY CONDEMNED by such a SUPER-GENIUS like YOU !...
Think about it, Folks !.. A guy who published a few years ago AN
ENTIRE BOOK about scripts and decipherments, with NO ORIGINAL IDEA of
HIS OWN : JUST A COMPILATION OF THE WORK OF OTHERS , can be NOTHING
but a SUPER-SUPER-GENIUS !...
grapheus