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Peter T. Daniels
Sep 26, 2019, 7:39:51 AM9/26/19
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Unfortunately they've attached the ToC of some other book.
https://brill.com/view/title/55752?format=HC
https://brill.com/view/title/55752?format=HC
Arnaud Fournet
Sep 26, 2019, 12:30:35 PM9/26/19
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Le jeudi 26 septembre 2019 13:39:51 UTC+2, Peter T. Daniels a écrit :
> Unfortunately they've attached the ToC of some other book.
>
> https://brill.com/view/title/55752?format=HC
There is probably not much new and innovative in the book.
> Unfortunately they've attached the ToC of some other book.
>
> https://brill.com/view/title/55752?format=HC
The price is unexpectedly high for papers and ideas that are probably available for free elsewhere.
Peter T. Daniels
Sep 26, 2019, 4:19:04 PM9/26/19
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Years and years ago, the former editor of their Oriental division, who
used to come to the American Oriental Society every year, told me that
(a) the trustees demand that _every title_ show a 15% profit (as opposed
to normal publishers, where the popular titles subsidize the often more
important but low-selling titles) (not to mention that 15% is a ridiculous
profit margin for a corporation); (b) that their prices only _seem_ high
because every American university press (and presumably Oxford and Cam-
bridge as well) is heavily subsidized by its university (there may have
been a time when that was so, but certainly by the 1980s it was not); and
(c) some books are not meant to be owned by individuals, but only by
libraries.
Most of the authors listed are unfamiliar to me. Can you provide evidence
that their "work and ideas" are "not much new and innovative" and avail-
able for free elsewhere?
Christian Weisgerber
Sep 26, 2019, 6:30:07 PM9/26/19
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On 2019-09-26, Arnaud Fournet <fournet...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>> Unfortunately they've attached the ToC of some other book.
>>
>> https://brill.com/view/title/55752?format=HC
>
> There is probably not much new and innovative in the book.
Indo-Anatolian is an exercise of taxonomic lumping/splitting, which
>> Unfortunately they've attached the ToC of some other book.
>>
>> https://brill.com/view/title/55752?format=HC
>
> There is probably not much new and innovative in the book.
is ultimately arbitrary. I don't expect it to generate much insight.
Indo-Uralic... well, no idea.
I assume people who follow the publications in the field know what
to expect from the listed contributors. (The only name that rings
the vaguest bell for me is Kortlandt, but that's merely a reflection
of my own ignorance.)
> The price is unexpectedly high for papers and ideas that are probably available for free elsewhere.
ivory towers.
--
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de
Ross
Sep 26, 2019, 8:10:01 PM9/26/19
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On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 11:39:51 PM UTC+12, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> Unfortunately they've attached the ToC of some other book.
>
> https://brill.com/view/title/55752?format=HC
Editors' introduction is available here:
> Unfortunately they've attached the ToC of some other book.
>
> https://brill.com/view/title/55752?format=HC
http://www.kloekhorst.nl/KloekhorstPronkIntroductionPrecursors.pdf
Arnaud Fournet
Sep 26, 2019, 10:24:59 PM9/26/19
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Arnaud Fournet
Sep 26, 2019, 10:28:30 PM9/26/19
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Le vendredi 27 septembre 2019 00:30:07 UTC+2, Christian Weisgerber a écrit :
> On 2019-09-26, Arnaud Fournet <fournet...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
> >> Unfortunately they've attached the ToC of some other book.
> >>
> >> https://brill.com/view/title/55752?format=HC
> >
> > There is probably not much new and innovative in the book.
>
> Indo-Anatolian is an exercise of taxonomic lumping/splitting, which
> is ultimately arbitrary. I don't expect it to generate much insight.
> Indo-Uralic... well, no idea.
Indo-Uralic is a kind of idée fixe of Leyden University.
>
> >> Unfortunately they've attached the ToC of some other book.
> >>
> >> https://brill.com/view/title/55752?format=HC
> >
> > There is probably not much new and innovative in the book.
>
> Indo-Anatolian is an exercise of taxonomic lumping/splitting, which
> is ultimately arbitrary. I don't expect it to generate much insight.
> Indo-Uralic... well, no idea.
Coming from Kloeckhorst et al, I don't expect much innovative insight.
I'm afraid the whole thing is biased from the start and quite a lot has already been written on that topic.
Arnaud Fournet
Sep 26, 2019, 11:18:56 PM9/26/19
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Le vendredi 27 septembre 2019 00:30:07 UTC+2, Christian Weisgerber a écrit :
> On 2019-09-26, Arnaud Fournet <fournet...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
> >> Unfortunately they've attached the ToC of some other book.
> >>
> >> https://brill.com/view/title/55752?format=HC
> >
> > There is probably not much new and innovative in the book.
>
> Indo-Anatolian is an exercise of taxonomic lumping/splitting, which
> is ultimately arbitrary. I don't expect it to generate much insight.
> Indo-Uralic... well, no idea.
>
> I assume people who follow the publications in the field know what
> to expect from the listed contributors. (The only name that rings
> the vaguest bell for me is Kortlandt, but that's merely a reflection
> of my own ignorance.)
According to googlebooks:
>
> >> Unfortunately they've attached the ToC of some other book.
> >>
> >> https://brill.com/view/title/55752?format=HC
> >
> > There is probably not much new and innovative in the book.
>
> Indo-Anatolian is an exercise of taxonomic lumping/splitting, which
> is ultimately arbitrary. I don't expect it to generate much insight.
> Indo-Uralic... well, no idea.
>
> I assume people who follow the publications in the field know what
> to expect from the listed contributors. (The only name that rings
> the vaguest bell for me is Kortlandt, but that's merely a reflection
> of my own ignorance.)
"Contributors are Stefan H. Bauhaus, Rasmus G. Bjørn, Dag Haug, Petri Kallio, Simona Klemenčič, Alwin Kloekhorst, Frederik Kortlandt, Guus Kroonen, Martin J. Kümmel, Milan Lopuhaä-Zwakenberg, Alexander Lubotsky, Rosemarie Lühr, Michaël Peyrot, Tijmen Pronk, Andrei Sideltsev, Michiel de Vaan, Mikhail Zhivlov."
Many of these people are unknown to me.
Are known:
Rasmus G. Bjørn => a young guy who wrote an interesting dissertation of foreign words in the PIE vocabulary. I've read it.
Alwin Kloekhorst => he wrote a book on Hittite etymology. Unfortunately, he works with three laryngeals, which means his work is screwed from the start.
Recently, he made yet more demented proposals about the nature of PIE laryngeals. They are repeated in the flyer... Help, anyone?
Frederik Kortlandt => an over-authoritative figure... Anyway, apart from his excellent Kortlandt's law, I don't think much about the rest.
Guus Kroonen => he wrote a book on Proto-Germanic. Interesting, though it only deals with a subsection of the words.
Alexander Lubotsky => an Indo-Europeanist with a classic background on Indo-Aryan.
Rosemarie Lühr => an Indo-Europeanist, I don't know what specific she has contributed to the field.
Martin J. Kümmel => he edits the series of books: LIV, etc, (modernization of Pokorny). A specialist of Hittite.
Michaël Peyrot => another member of the Leyden gang. Works on Tocharian.
Michiel de Vaan => he wrote a book on Latin etymology. Interesting, though it only deals with a subsection of the words.
Mikhail Zhivlov => a Starostin Boy of the Moscow School. The only one with obvious competences on Uralic, especially Ugric. And the only one who seems to have a modicum of macro-comparative experience.
Never heard of:
Stefan H. Bauhaus => I can't find something he wrote on the web !?
Dag Haug => apparently an Indo-Europeanist with a classic background on Ancient Greek.
Petri Kallio => a specialist of Balto-Finnic
Simona Klemenčič => absolutely unknown lady from Slovenia
Milan Lopuhaä-Zwakenberg => apparently involved in maths !?
Tijmen Pronk => apparently a specialist of Balto-Slavic
Andrei Sideltsev => apparently a specialist of Anatolian
What strikes me is that most of the contributors are either unknown or have about no experience in macro-comparative works.
So I maintain my initial feeling: the book is a rip-off that contains (about) nothing new or valuable.
The book seems to promote Indo-Anatolian (as a new synonym for Indo-Hittite). As I consider that the current model of PIE is the Improved-Proto-Sanskrit fraud, I'm ok if the book further digs the grave of that fraud.
skpf...@gmail.com
Sep 27, 2019, 7:30:50 AM9/27/19
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On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 11:18:56 PM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
>
> The book seems to promote Indo-Anatolian (as a new synonym for Indo-Hittite). As I consider that the current model of PIE is the Improved-Proto-Sanskrit fraud, I'm ok if the book further digs the grave of that fraud.
so you think Schleicher's fable in PIE would have looked more like
>
> The book seems to promote Indo-Anatolian (as a new synonym for Indo-Hittite). As I consider that the current model of PIE is the Improved-Proto-Sanskrit fraud, I'm ok if the book further digs the grave of that fraud.
'
H₂óu̯is h₁éḱu̯ōs-kʷe
h₂áu̯ei̯ h₁i̯osméi̯ h₂u̯l̥h₁náh₂ né h₁ést, só h₁éḱu̯oms derḱt. só gʷr̥hₓúm u̯óǵʰom u̯eǵʰed; só méǵh₂m̥ bʰórom; só dʰǵʰémonm̥ h₂ṓḱu bʰered. h₂óu̯is h₁ékʷoi̯bʰi̯os u̯eu̯ked: “dʰǵʰémonm̥ spéḱi̯oh₂ h₁éḱu̯oms-kʷe h₂áǵeti, ḱḗr moi̯ agʰnutor”. h₁éḱu̯ōs tu u̯eu̯kond: “ḱludʰí, h₂ou̯ei̯! tód spéḱi̯omes, n̥sméi̯ agʰnutór ḱḗr: dʰǵʰémō, pótis, sē h₂áu̯i̯es h₂u̯l̥h₁náh₂ gʷʰérmom u̯éstrom u̯ept, h₂áu̯ibʰi̯os tu h₂u̯l̥h₁náh₂ né h₁esti”. tód ḱeḱluu̯ṓs h₂óu̯is h₂aǵróm bʰuged.
'
rather than
'
Avis akvāsas ka.
Avis, jasmin varnā na ā ast, dadarka akvams, tam, vāgham garum vaghantam, tam, bhāram magham, tam, manum āku bharantam. Avis akvabhjams ā vavakat: kard aghnutai mai vidanti manum akvams agantam.
Akvāsas ā vavakant: krudhi avai, kard aghnutai vividvant-svas: manus patis varnām avisāms karnauti svabhjam gharmam vastram avibhjams ka varnā na asti.
Tat kukruvants avis agram ā bhugat.
'
Do you understand why Anatolianists go nowhere?
At some point, such extreme formulations begin to smack of religion, not unlike Hindutva types.
Peter T. Daniels
Sep 27, 2019, 8:09:57 AM9/27/19
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On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 6:30:07 PM UTC-4, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
> On 2019-09-26, Arnaud Fournet <fournet...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
> >> Unfortunately they've attached the ToC of some other book.
> >>
> >> https://brill.com/view/title/55752?format=HC
> >
> > There is probably not much new and innovative in the book.
>
> Indo-Anatolian is an exercise of taxonomic lumping/splitting, which
Sturtevant invented the name "Indo-Hittite" in the earliest days of
> On 2019-09-26, Arnaud Fournet <fournet...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
> >> Unfortunately they've attached the ToC of some other book.
> >>
> >> https://brill.com/view/title/55752?format=HC
> >
> > There is probably not much new and innovative in the book.
>
> Indo-Anatolian is an exercise of taxonomic lumping/splitting, which
study of Hittite.
> is ultimately arbitrary. I don't expect it to generate much insight.
> Indo-Uralic... well, no idea.
linguistics.)
Peter T. Daniels
Sep 27, 2019, 8:14:35 AM9/27/19
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On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 11:18:56 PM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
by a specialist.
They probably eschew "macro-comparativist" bullshit, so it sounds like
a worthwhile project.
You probably would have pooh-poohed Werner Winter's (ed.) *Evidence for
Laryngeals* (pub. 1959), from a conference of who at the time were the
Young Turks who subsequently became the grand masters of the field.
Arnaud Fournet
Sep 27, 2019, 8:17:06 AM9/27/19
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Le vendredi 27 septembre 2019 13:30:50 UTC+2, skpf...@gmail.com a écrit :
> On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 11:18:56 PM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
>
> >
> > The book seems to promote Indo-Anatolian (as a new synonym for Indo-Hittite). As I consider that the current model of PIE is the Improved-Proto-Sanskrit fraud, I'm ok if the book further digs the grave of that fraud.
>
> so you think Schleicher's fable in PIE would have looked more like
No, you don't seem to understand the issue.
> On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 11:18:56 PM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
>
> >
> > The book seems to promote Indo-Anatolian (as a new synonym for Indo-Hittite). As I consider that the current model of PIE is the Improved-Proto-Sanskrit fraud, I'm ok if the book further digs the grave of that fraud.
>
> so you think Schleicher's fable in PIE would have looked more like
>
> H₂óu̯is h₁éḱu̯ōs-kʷe
>
> h₂áu̯ei̯ h₁i̯osméi̯ h₂u̯l̥h₁náh₂ né h₁ést, só h₁éḱu̯oms derḱt. só gʷr̥hₓúm u̯óǵʰom u̯eǵʰed; só méǵh₂m̥ bʰórom; só dʰǵʰémonm̥ h₂ṓḱu bʰered. h₂óu̯is h₁ékʷoi̯bʰi̯os u̯eu̯ked: “dʰǵʰémonm̥ spéḱi̯oh₂ h₁éḱu̯oms-kʷe h₂áǵeti, ḱḗr moi̯ agʰnutor”. h₁éḱu̯ōs tu u̯eu̯kond: “ḱludʰí, h₂ou̯ei̯! tód spéḱi̯omes, n̥sméi̯ agʰnutór ḱḗr: dʰǵʰémō, pótis, sē h₂áu̯i̯es h₂u̯l̥h₁náh₂ gʷʰérmom u̯éstrom u̯ept, h₂áu̯ibʰi̯os tu h₂u̯l̥h₁náh₂ né h₁esti”. tód ḱeḱluu̯ṓs h₂óu̯is h₂aǵróm bʰuged.
>
> '
>
> rather than
>
> '
>
> Avis akvāsas ka.
>
> Avis, jasmin varnā na ā ast, dadarka akvams, tam, vāgham garum vaghantam, tam, bhāram magham, tam, manum āku bharantam. Avis akvabhjams ā vavakat: kard aghnutai mai vidanti manum akvams agantam.
>
> Akvāsas ā vavakant: krudhi avai, kard aghnutai vividvant-svas: manus patis varnām avisāms karnauti svabhjam gharmam vastram avibhjams ka varnā na asti.
>
> Tat kukruvants avis agram ā bhugat.
>
> '
>
> Do you understand why Anatolianists go nowhere?
>
> At some point, such extreme formulations begin to smack of religion, not unlike Hindutva types.
Arnaud Fournet
Sep 27, 2019, 8:22:44 AM9/27/19
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The major hitch is that about nobody in the crew has any idea what macro-comparative issues are about.
It's a bunch of chickens and hens with an old dog, claiming they are open-air wolves.
Canna make it.
>
> They probably eschew "macro-comparativist" bullshit, so it sounds like
> a worthwhile project.
That's why my opinion is quite negative.
>
> You probably would have pooh-poohed Werner Winter's (ed.) *Evidence for
> Laryngeals* (pub. 1959), from a conference of who at the time were the
> Young Turks who subsequently became the grand masters of the field.
skpf...@gmail.com
Sep 27, 2019, 8:57:27 AM9/27/19
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OK - you have a problem with "Sanskrit pushed back in time" as the model of PIE.
Once you go Laryngeal - in the extreme case you get a PIE that looks like gibberish.
Pyysalo put some lipstick on protoSanskrit that seems quite reasonable - but you ayatollahs won't have it.
the game goes on.
Arnaud Fournet
Sep 27, 2019, 11:28:05 AM9/27/19
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Le vendredi 27 septembre 2019 14:57:27 UTC+2, skpf...@gmail.com a écrit :
> On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 8:17:06 AM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
> > Le vendredi 27 septembre 2019 13:30:50 UTC+2, skpf...@gmail.com a écrit :
> > > On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 11:18:56 PM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The book seems to promote Indo-Anatolian (as a new synonym for Indo-Hittite). As I consider that the current model of PIE is the Improved-Proto-Sanskrit fraud, I'm ok if the book further digs the grave of that fraud.
> > >
> > > so you think Schleicher's fable in PIE would have looked more like
> >
> > No, you don't seem to understand the issue.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > H₂óu̯is h₁éḱu̯ōs-kʷe
> > >
> > > h₂áu̯ei̯ h₁i̯osméi̯ h₂u̯l̥h₁náh₂ né h₁ést, só h₁éḱu̯oms derḱt. só gʷr̥hₓúm u̯óǵʰom u̯eǵʰed; só méǵh₂m̥ bʰórom; só dʰǵʰémonm̥ h₂ṓḱu bʰered. h₂óu̯is h₁ékʷoi̯bʰi̯os u̯eu̯ked: “dʰǵʰémonm̥ spéḱi̯oh₂ h₁éḱu̯oms-kʷe h₂áǵeti, ḱḗr moi̯ agʰnutor”. h₁éḱu̯ōs tu u̯eu̯kond: “ḱludʰí, h₂ou̯ei̯! tód spéḱi̯omes, n̥sméi̯ agʰnutór ḱḗr: dʰǵʰémō, pótis, sē h₂áu̯i̯es h₂u̯l̥h₁náh₂ gʷʰérmom u̯éstrom u̯ept, h₂áu̯ibʰi̯os tu h₂u̯l̥h₁náh₂ né h₁esti”. tód ḱeḱluu̯ṓs h₂óu̯is h₂aǵróm bʰuged.
> > >
> > > '
> > >
> > > rather than
> > >
> > > '
> > >
> > > Avis akvāsas ka.
> > >
> > > Avis, jasmin varnā na ā ast, dadarka akvams, tam, vāgham garum vaghantam, tam, bhāram magham, tam, manum āku bharantam. Avis akvabhjams ā vavakat: kard aghnutai mai vidanti manum akvams agantam.
> > >
> > > Akvāsas ā vavakant: krudhi avai, kard aghnutai vividvant-svas: manus patis varnām avisāms karnauti svabhjam gharmam vastram avibhjams ka varnā na asti.
> > >
> > > Tat kukruvants avis agram ā bhugat.
> > >
> > > '
> > >
> > > Do you understand why Anatolianists go nowhere?
> >
> > Well, I can see that you're completely erring the darkest dark.
> >
> > >
> > > At some point, such extreme formulations begin to smack of religion, not unlike Hindutva types.
> >
> > Thank you for avowal of your own creeds.
>
> you know very well that I do understand.
I'm not sure what you understand,
> On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 8:17:06 AM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
> > Le vendredi 27 septembre 2019 13:30:50 UTC+2, skpf...@gmail.com a écrit :
> > > On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 11:18:56 PM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The book seems to promote Indo-Anatolian (as a new synonym for Indo-Hittite). As I consider that the current model of PIE is the Improved-Proto-Sanskrit fraud, I'm ok if the book further digs the grave of that fraud.
> > >
> > > so you think Schleicher's fable in PIE would have looked more like
> >
> > No, you don't seem to understand the issue.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > H₂óu̯is h₁éḱu̯ōs-kʷe
> > >
> > > h₂áu̯ei̯ h₁i̯osméi̯ h₂u̯l̥h₁náh₂ né h₁ést, só h₁éḱu̯oms derḱt. só gʷr̥hₓúm u̯óǵʰom u̯eǵʰed; só méǵh₂m̥ bʰórom; só dʰǵʰémonm̥ h₂ṓḱu bʰered. h₂óu̯is h₁ékʷoi̯bʰi̯os u̯eu̯ked: “dʰǵʰémonm̥ spéḱi̯oh₂ h₁éḱu̯oms-kʷe h₂áǵeti, ḱḗr moi̯ agʰnutor”. h₁éḱu̯ōs tu u̯eu̯kond: “ḱludʰí, h₂ou̯ei̯! tód spéḱi̯omes, n̥sméi̯ agʰnutór ḱḗr: dʰǵʰémō, pótis, sē h₂áu̯i̯es h₂u̯l̥h₁náh₂ gʷʰérmom u̯éstrom u̯ept, h₂áu̯ibʰi̯os tu h₂u̯l̥h₁náh₂ né h₁esti”. tód ḱeḱluu̯ṓs h₂óu̯is h₂aǵróm bʰuged.
> > >
> > > '
> > >
> > > rather than
> > >
> > > '
> > >
> > > Avis akvāsas ka.
> > >
> > > Avis, jasmin varnā na ā ast, dadarka akvams, tam, vāgham garum vaghantam, tam, bhāram magham, tam, manum āku bharantam. Avis akvabhjams ā vavakat: kard aghnutai mai vidanti manum akvams agantam.
> > >
> > > Akvāsas ā vavakant: krudhi avai, kard aghnutai vividvant-svas: manus patis varnām avisāms karnauti svabhjam gharmam vastram avibhjams ka varnā na asti.
> > >
> > > Tat kukruvants avis agram ā bhugat.
> > >
> > > '
> > >
> > > Do you understand why Anatolianists go nowhere?
> >
> > Well, I can see that you're completely erring the darkest dark.
> >
> > >
> > > At some point, such extreme formulations begin to smack of religion, not unlike Hindutva types.
> >
> > Thank you for avowal of your own creeds.
>
> you know very well that I do understand.
and even less sure about what I know about what you might understand.
Feel free to clarify.
>
> OK - you have a problem with "Sanskrit pushed back in time" as the model of PIE.
>
> Once you go Laryngeal - in the extreme case you get a PIE that looks like gibberish.
>
> Pyysalo put some lipstick on protoSanskrit that seems quite reasonable - but you ayatollahs won't have it.
Putting lipstick on a clown does not make a good linguist.
Ruud Harmsen
Sep 27, 2019, 11:30:55 AM9/27/19
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Thu, 26 Sep 2019 13:19:02 -0700 (PDT): "Peter T. Daniels"
<gram...@verizon.net> scribeva:
>On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 12:30:35 PM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
>> Le jeudi 26 septembre 2019 13:39:51 UTC+2, Peter T. Daniels a écrit :
>
>> > Unfortunately they've attached the ToC of some other book.
>> >
>> > https://brill.com/view/title/55752?format=HC
>>
>> There is probably not much new and innovative in the book.
>> The price is unexpectedly high for papers and ideas that are probably available for free elsewhere.
>
>You've never seen a book from Brill before?
Brill is world famous. And Dutch, so they must be great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELD2AwFN9Nc
--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com
<gram...@verizon.net> scribeva:
>On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 12:30:35 PM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
>> Le jeudi 26 septembre 2019 13:39:51 UTC+2, Peter T. Daniels a écrit :
>
>> > Unfortunately they've attached the ToC of some other book.
>> >
>> > https://brill.com/view/title/55752?format=HC
>>
>> There is probably not much new and innovative in the book.
>> The price is unexpectedly high for papers and ideas that are probably available for free elsewhere.
>
>You've never seen a book from Brill before?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELD2AwFN9Nc
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Franz Gnaedinger
Sep 28, 2019, 3:57:22 AM9/28/19
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On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 1:39:51 PM UTC+2, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> Unfortunately they've attached the ToC of some other book.
>
> https://brill.com/view/title/55752?format=HC
I will certainly order a copy, the Leiden studies are fine, and it costs
> Unfortunately they've attached the ToC of some other book.
>
> https://brill.com/view/title/55752?format=HC
not much more than Mallory & Adams 2006. Hoping to find further inspirations
for Magdalenian compounds in so-called roots.
Mścisław Wojna-Bojewski
Sep 28, 2019, 7:12:23 AM9/28/19
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1) Cave art gives us no clue to how the people of Lascaux or Altamira
spoke.
2) The pictographic symbols in Göbekli Tepe give us no clue to how the
people of Göbekli Tepe spoke.
3) Anyone stating the opposite must make available some evidence that can be scrutinized by other scholars, and the clues this person claims to have found, must be observable and recognizable by other people.
4) Moreover, the discoverer must be able to explain, in commonsense logical terms, how he or she has arrived at his results. His chain of conclusions must be "nachvollzogen" by other scholars.
5) You have not been able to present us with either evidence or conclusions. Instead, you have repeatedly attacked and poured scorn over people who have demanded such things.
6) On the other hand, PIE is based on solid evidence and its proponents have left us clear instructions, evidence, and reasonings to be "nachvollzogen".
7) Their conclusions are based on a comprehensive understanding and comparison of the languages involved.
8) On the other hand, you are demonstrably ignorant of several branches of Indo-European. You have admitted that you know not a single Slavic language.You actually pour scorn and disdain over people who have learnt languages unknown to you.
spoke.
2) The pictographic symbols in Göbekli Tepe give us no clue to how the
people of Göbekli Tepe spoke.
3) Anyone stating the opposite must make available some evidence that can be scrutinized by other scholars, and the clues this person claims to have found, must be observable and recognizable by other people.
4) Moreover, the discoverer must be able to explain, in commonsense logical terms, how he or she has arrived at his results. His chain of conclusions must be "nachvollzogen" by other scholars.
5) You have not been able to present us with either evidence or conclusions. Instead, you have repeatedly attacked and poured scorn over people who have demanded such things.
6) On the other hand, PIE is based on solid evidence and its proponents have left us clear instructions, evidence, and reasonings to be "nachvollzogen".
7) Their conclusions are based on a comprehensive understanding and comparison of the languages involved.
8) On the other hand, you are demonstrably ignorant of several branches of Indo-European. You have admitted that you know not a single Slavic language.You actually pour scorn and disdain over people who have learnt languages unknown to you.
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