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Adam Funk

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Nov 19, 2022, 9:15:05 AM11/19/22
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<https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/wif>

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imposed upon human society and its all unwitting members.
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Quinn C

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Nov 19, 2022, 11:13:27 AM11/19/22
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* Adam Funk:

> <https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/wif>

This immediately evoked the Morgenstern poem where a werewolf gets
declined: der Werwolf, des Weswolfs, dem Wemwolf, den Wenwolf.
Translation is quite the challenge, of course.

<https://arnoldzwicky.org/2010/07/01/der-werwolf/>

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Christian Weisgerber

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Nov 19, 2022, 11:30:07 AM11/19/22
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On 2022-11-19, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:

><https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/wif>

Indeed, "wer" is specifically a male, as opposed to "mann", human being.

Italic shows the same shift, with Latin "vir" (male) being lost in
Romance and "homo" (human) taking over the meaning of 'male'.

It would be tempting to blame Christianization...

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Christian Weisgerber

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Nov 19, 2022, 12:30:06 PM11/19/22
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On 2022-11-19, Quinn C <lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:

> This immediately evoked the Morgenstern poem where a werewolf gets
> declined: der Werwolf, des Weswolfs, dem Wemwolf, den Wenwolf.
><https://arnoldzwicky.org/2010/07/01/der-werwolf/>

For those who don't know German: This takes the "Wer-" component,
which is as opaque in German as its English counterpart, and
re-interprets it as the interrogative/relative pronoun "wer" (who,
what).

lar3ryca

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Nov 19, 2022, 2:36:14 PM11/19/22
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On 2022-11-19 09:51, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
> On 2022-11-19, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>
>> <https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/wif>
>
> Indeed, "wer" is specifically a male, as opposed to "mann", human being.
>
> Italic shows the same shift, with Latin "vir" (male) being lost in
> Romance and "homo" (human) taking over the meaning of 'male'.
>
> It would be tempting to blame Christianization...

Don't blame yourself, Christian.

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Horace LaBadie

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Nov 19, 2022, 2:42:47 PM11/19/22
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In article <744n4jx...@news.ducksburg.com>,
She Blinded Me with Science.

Ruud Harmsen

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Nov 19, 2022, 4:59:39 PM11/19/22
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Sat, 19 Nov 2022 11:13:20 -0500: Quinn C
<lispa...@crommatograph.info> scribeva:

>* Adam Funk:
>
>> <https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/wif>
>
>This immediately evoked the Morgenstern poem where a werewolf gets
>declined: der Werwolf, des Weswolfs, dem Wemwolf, den Wenwolf.

LOL.

>Translation is quite the challenge, of course.

Sure.

><https://arnoldzwicky.org/2010/07/01/der-werwolf/>

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Ruud Harmsen

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Nov 19, 2022, 5:06:33 PM11/19/22
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Sat, 19 Nov 2022 11:13:20 -0500: Quinn C
<lispa...@crommatograph.info> scribeva:

>* Adam Funk:
>
>> <https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/wif>
>
>This immediately evoked the Morgenstern poem where a werewolf gets
>declined: der Werwolf, des Weswolfs, dem Wemwolf, den Wenwolf.
>Translation is quite the challenge, of course.
>
><https://arnoldzwicky.org/2010/07/01/der-werwolf/>

What geniuses, all those smart translations! I couldn't have thought
of any of this. But I found the original very funny.

Adam Funk

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Nov 20, 2022, 4:45:05 AM11/20/22
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On 2022-11-19, Quinn C wrote:

> * Adam Funk:
>
>> <https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/wif>
>
> This immediately evoked the Morgenstern poem where a werewolf gets
> declined: der Werwolf, des Weswolfs, dem Wemwolf, den Wenwolf.
> Translation is quite the challenge, of course.
>
><https://arnoldzwicky.org/2010/07/01/der-werwolf/>

A German joke I can understand --- thanks!


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Peter Moylan

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Nov 20, 2022, 8:58:38 PM11/20/22
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On 20/11/22 01:00, Adam Funk wrote:

> <https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/wif>

By coincidence I was thinking of this very topic last night. (I was in
an unfamiliar bed, and couldn't sleep.) It started with the thought that
"wermann and wifmann" somehow evolved into "man and wife". But that
segued into a worry that the Ankh-Morpork City Watch had a female
werewolf. Shouldn't she be a wifwolf?

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Jeff Barnett

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Nov 20, 2022, 11:29:21 PM11/20/22
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On 11/20/2022 6:58 PM, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 20/11/22 01:00, Adam Funk wrote:
>
>> <https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/wif>
>
> By coincidence I was thinking of this very topic last night. (I was in
> an unfamiliar bed, and couldn't sleep.) It started with the thought that
> "wermann and wifmann" somehow evolved into "man and wife". But that
> segued into a worry that the Ankh-Morpork City Watch had a female
> werewolf. Shouldn't she be a wifwolf?
I recommend the OTC medicine called Sleep Aid.
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Adam Funk

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Nov 21, 2022, 10:30:06 AM11/21/22
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On 2022-11-21, Peter Moylan wrote:

> On 20/11/22 01:00, Adam Funk wrote:
>
>> <https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/wif>
>
> By coincidence I was thinking of this very topic last night. (I was in
> an unfamiliar bed, and couldn't sleep.) It started with the thought that
> "wermann and wifmann" somehow evolved into "man and wife". But that
> segued into a worry that the Ankh-Morpork City Watch had a female
> werewolf. Shouldn't she be a wifwolf?

I wonder if Terry Pratchett considered that but thought it would be
too recherché (even for his readers).


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Sam Plusnet

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Nov 21, 2022, 1:58:53 PM11/21/22
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On 21-Nov-22 15:24, Adam Funk wrote:
> On 2022-11-21, Peter Moylan wrote:
>
>> On 20/11/22 01:00, Adam Funk wrote:
>>
>>> <https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/wif>
>>
>> By coincidence I was thinking of this very topic last night. (I was in
>> an unfamiliar bed, and couldn't sleep.) It started with the thought that
>> "wermann and wifmann" somehow evolved into "man and wife". But that
>> segued into a worry that the Ankh-Morpork City Watch had a female
>> werewolf. Shouldn't she be a wifwolf?
>
> I wonder if Terry Pratchett considered that but thought it would be
> too recherché (even for his readers).

That's what footnotes are for.

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Richard Heathfield

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Dec 2, 2022, 1:45:21 PM12/2/22
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On 21/11/2022 1:58 am, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 20/11/22 01:00, Adam Funk wrote:
>
>> <https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/wif>
>
> By coincidence I was thinking of this very topic last night. (I
> was in
> an unfamiliar bed, and couldn't sleep.) It started with the
> thought that
> "wermann and wifmann" somehow evolved into "man and wife". But that
> segued into a worry that the Ankh-Morpork City Watch had a female
> werewolf. Shouldn't she be a wifwolf?

Not since changing her shampoo.

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