name (term) for [ Story-tellers before we had written language ] ?

[henh...@gmail.com]

is there a fancy name (term) for [ Story-tellers before we had written language ] ?


apparently, not in English !

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kataribe


[J'ai] pas de leçons à donner, juste mon histoire à raconter.

[Ross Clark]

On 24/10/2022 6:59 a.m., henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> is there a fancy name (term) for [ Story-tellers before we had written language ] ?

What's wrong with "story-teller"? Not fancy enough? "Talesman"?

> apparently, not in English !

"Apparently"? How would we know?

> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kataribe

What does this Japanese word have to do with your starting question?
Are you suggesting if we treated it as an English word it would have the
required meaning and be "fancy"?

katari 'telling a story'
katari-be 'clan of professional reciters'

[Daud Deden]

Oral historian?

[Ross Clark]

Bard?

[henh...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 9:54:10 PM UTC-7, benl...@ihug.co.nz wrote:
> On 24/10/2022 6:59 a.m., henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> > is there a fancy name (term) for [ Story-tellers before we had written language ] ?
> What's wrong with "story-teller"? Not fancy enough? "Talesman"?
> > apparently, not in English !
> "Apparently"? How would we know?
>
> > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kataribe
>
> What does this Japanese word have to do with your starting question?

Story-teller ( chronicler · narrator · poet · raconteur · bard ) ... these are words we'd use in modern context.
----------------- Kataribe and Scribe are not...


>>> A scrivener (or scribe) was a person who could read and write or who wrote letters to court and legal documents. Scriveners were people who made their living by writing or copying written material.


https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/talesman

TALESMAN is a person added to a jury usually from among bystanders to make up a deficiency in the available number of jurors.

[Daud Deden]

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Interesting that troubador links to turn and song

troubadour (n.)
1727, from French troubadour (16c.) "one of a class of lyric poets in southern France, eastern Spain, and northern Italy 11c.-13c.," from Old Provençal trobador, from trobar "to find," earlier "invent a song, compose in verse," perhaps from Vulgar Latin *tropare "compose, sing," especially in the form of tropes, from Latin tropus "a song" (from PIE root *trep- "to turn").

[henh...@gmail.com]

thanks... that's really interesting...

I'd (have) thought that troubadour was related to Travel.

and troubadour is also not related to Trip (meaning travel)