here you can bash Magdalenian
Franz Gnaedinger
of the scientific groups" will soon reach thousand messages
and then spawn off, generating dozens of new threads of
the same name and flooding sci.lang, so if you have to bash
me and Magdalenian you can go on here. While I have
something better to do for the moment, publishing my list
of Minoan symbols, another fruit of my Magdalenian approach
to early language (will appear in my thread "Magdalenian
experiment").
Come on, Prof. Dr. Nathan Sanders, explain me how to
copy-and-paste. I can of course do it in Words, but not from
a website or so. And frankly speaking I don't need it outside
of Words.
Ruud Harmsen
<fr...@bluemail.ch>: in sci.lang:
>My thread "open letter to the Google company, on the value
>of the scientific groups" will soon reach thousand messages
>and then spawn off, generating dozens of new threads of
>the same name and flooding sci.lang, so if you have to bash
>me and Magdalenian you can go on here.
Paranoid and misinformed nonsense.
>Come on, Prof. Dr. Nathan Sanders, explain me how to
>copy-and-paste.
I'm not NS, but here goes:
1) Select using shift plus navigation keys (arrow left, right, page
down etc.)
2) Ctrl-Ins or Ctrl-C to copy the selected text to the clipboard.
3) Go elsewhere (ANY windows program, the same or other than where the
copying took place).
4) Paste using ctrl-V (or Shift-Ins).
>I can of course do it in Words, but not from
>a website or so.
It works the same in ANY Windows program (since about 1993 or
earlier), and it also works from one program (task) to another.
>And frankly speaking I don't need it outside
>of Words.
You mean the MS application Word?
--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.eu
Franz Gnaedinger
>
> Paranoid and misinformed nonsense.
>
> >Come on, Prof. Dr. Nathan Sanders, explain me how to
> >copy-and-paste.
>
> I'm not NS, but here goes:
> 1) Select using shift plus navigation keys (arrow left, right, page
> down etc.)
> 2) Ctrl-Ins or Ctrl-C to copy the selected text to the clipboard.
> 3) Go elsewhere (ANY windows program, the same or other than where the
> copying took place).
> 4) Paste using ctrl-V (or Shift-Ins).
>
> >I can of course do it in Words, but not from
> >a website or so.
>
> It works the same in ANY Windows program (since about 1993 or
> earlier), and it also works from one program (task) to another.
>
> >And frankly speaking I don't need it outside
> >of Words.
>
> You mean the MS application Word?
Your reply beginning with an ad hominem I don't read it
and don't reply.
Panu
I think we are witnessing Franz's eventual collapse.
Ruud Harmsen
<fr...@bluemail.ch>: in sci.lang:
>On Nov 23, 9:50 am, Ruud Harmsen <r...@rudhar.eu> wrote:
If you post paranoid and misinformed nonsense, I will call it that.
Ruud Harmsen
in sci.lang:
>> > It works the same in ANY Windows program (since about 1993 or
>> > earlier), and it also works from one program (task) to another.
BTW, I first learnt to copy-paste in a DOS-version of Borland's Turbo
compilers, around 1990. That's why I still routinely use Ctrl-Ins and
Shift-Ins, which were then the only combinations. Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V
came later.
Good chance that this method doesn't originate in DOS or Windows, but
in some older system, like Mac, Atari or Amiga.
Ruud Harmsen
<fr...@bluemail.ch>: in sci.lang:
>Your reply beginning with an ad hominem I don't read it
>and don't reply.
If you are unwilling to learn about a simple and very useful feature
like copy-paste, what does this tell us about your willingness to
learn about topics like Indo-European and Semitic etymology?
Ruud Harmsen
sci.lang:
>BTW, I first learnt to copy-paste in a DOS-version of Borland's Turbo
>compilers, around 1990. That's why I still routinely use Ctrl-Ins and
>Shift-Ins, which were then the only combinations. Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V
>came later.
>
>Good chance that this method doesn't originate in DOS or Windows, but
>in some older system, like Mac, Atari or Amiga.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cut,_copy,_and_paste
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cut,_copy,_and_paste#History
So it started with the Apple Macintosh.
Franz Gnaedinger
>
> If you are unwilling to learn about a simple and very useful feature
> like copy-paste, what does this tell us about your willingness to
> learn about topics like Indo-European and Semitic etymology?
I don't need it, so it isn't really useful to me. I have
my own way of learning: along projects of mine,
when I really need something, and by delving into
any topic that interests me, and if everybody tells
me it is irrelevant. My way of learning leads to what
I call an 'organic knowledge' and allows me to go
by apperception. As for computers I am a moron,
a confessing moron, and, what is more, a professional
moron. My brother Steve, informatician, tells me that
my sort is needed in the IT branch. I can sit at a PC
and try out a program like any fool, but at the same
time I observe what happens, and then I make my
proposition for improving a program, or a machine,
or whatever. A couple of years ago I applied to Google
as a professional moron. They sent me a kind reply,
machine generated I guess, telling me they don't need
someone like me _for the moment_, will say perhaps
later on .... I am a deliberate moron in matters of PCs,
doing my share in developing things further. As for
the capital ç I can't type on public webstations I already
made a proposition, and for free as I don't work for Google:
Why don't browsers include a table of symbols you can
click on and pick up the sign or symbol you need in writing
a message? Also the Google interface to the groups
may include such a table. Only a matter of time, I guess,
for they are bright at Google, but mayhaps they don't
know how bright I am ...
António Marques
Yeah, it's the exact same thing. Now imagine if he went on fantasizing
about 'Copy & Paste' and other computer folklore the way he does about
language!
Panu
> Ruud Harmsen wrote (23-11-2009 10:50):
>
> > Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:53:23 -0800 (PST): Franz Gnaedinger
>
> >> Your reply beginning with an ad hominem I don't read it
> >> and don't reply.
>
> > If you are unwilling to learn about a simple and very useful feature
> > like copy-paste, what does this tell us about your willingness to
> > learn about topics like Indo-European and Semitic etymology?
>
> Yeah, it's the exact same thing. Now imagine if he went on fantasizing
> about 'Copy & Paste' and other computer folklore the way he does about
> language!
That would indeed be genuinely fun.
Panu
> On Nov 23, 11:50 am, Ruud Harmsen <r...@rudhar.eu> wrote:
>
>
>
> > If you are unwilling to learn about a simple and very useful feature
> > like copy-paste, what does this tell us about your willingness to
> > learn about topics like Indo-European and Semitic etymology?
>
> I don't need it, so it isn't really useful to me. I have
> my own way of learning: along projects of mine,
> when I really need something, and by delving into
> any topic that interests me, and if everybody tells
> me it is irrelevant. My way of learning leads to what
> I call an 'organic knowledge' and allows me to go
> by apperception. As for computers I am a moron,
> a confessing moron, and, what is more, a professional
> moron. My brother Steve, informatician,
You are Swiss. You don't have a brother called Steve. You might have a
brother called Stefan, Stefano or Étienne. But you don't have a
brother called Szczepan, Steve, Teppana, or Esteban.
Peter T. Daniels
> My thread "open letter to the Google company, on the value
> of the scientific groups" will soon reach thousand messages
> and then spawn off, generating dozens of new threads of
> the same name and flooding sci.lang, so if you have to bash
Only if anyone bothered to respond to existing messages.
Since only you post in it, it would start one new thread with the
1001st posting, and you would continue to add to that new thread, and
everyone would continue to not read it.
Peter T. Daniels
> Why don't browsers include a table of symbols you can
> click on and pick up the sign or symbol you need in writing
> a message?
Windows does. It's called "Character Map."
Franz Gnaedinger
>
> Since only you post in it, it would start one new thread with the
> 1001st posting, and you would continue to add to that new thread, and
> everyone would continue to not read it.
I speak of the thread "open letter ..." Meanwhile there are
1001 messages. The thread "All languages are equally fit"
'exploded' when someone posted the 1002nd message,
sci.lang in the Google interface was flooded by a dozen or
more threads of the same name. So this can happen now
with the "open letter ... " thread. I tried to prevent it by starting
this thread, where you can complain about me and Magdalenian.
All of you apart from my stalker and killrater who punishes me
for his barren mind. And yes, I know that Windows has a table
of symbols, I use it frequently at home, but I can't use it when
I am working at a public webstation where many functions are
disabled, deliberately turned off in securing the computers
from IT morons of my caliber. How many times did I tell you?
How many times did I tell you? How many times did I tell you?
Harlan Messinger
> My thread "open letter to the Google company, on the value
> of the scientific groups" will soon reach thousand messages
> and then spawn off, generating dozens of new threads of
> the same name and flooding sci.lang, so if you have to bash
> me and Magdalenian you can go on here.
You will note that people don't usually *spontaneously* start bashing
what you write. It's generally done in response to something you've
written. So, whether you like it or not, it's going to happen in the
thread where you're writing, not in some special arena you imagine
yourself to have consecrated for the purpose.
António Marques
> And yes, I know that Windows has a table
> of symbols, I use it frequently at home,
If you don't know how to 'copy' and 'paste', just how do you use it?
> but I can't use it when
> I am working at a public webstation where many functions are
> disabled, deliberately turned off in securing the computers
> from IT morons of my caliber. How many times did I tell you?
> How many times did I tell you? How many times did I tell you?
In this particular case you're not the moron, rather whoever decided
that 'Character Map' belong in 'System Tools' or similar, and whoever
decided that anything with 'System' and/or 'Tools' in its name should be
unavailable for 'security reasons'. What security is there in disabling
access to 'Character Map'??
Though I keep suspecting that the issue is that your 'public webstation'
isn't running windows at all. (Then again, they *may* be thin clients
and that *might* explain alt codes not working.)
Franz Gnaedinger
>
> If you don't know how to 'copy' and 'paste', just how do you use it?
U N B E L I E V E A B L E ! ! ! How many times how many
times how many times how many times did I tell you did I tell
you did I tell you that I can copy-and-paste within Words at
home on my notebook, but not at a public webstation from
the Internet ???
> In this particular case you're not the moron, rather whoever decided
> that 'Character Map' belong in 'System Tools' or similar, and whoever
> decided that anything with 'System' and/or 'Tools' in its name should be
> unavailable for 'security reasons'. What security is there in disabling
> access to 'Character Map'??
> Though I keep suspecting that the issue is that your 'public webstation'
> isn't running windows at all. (Then again, they *may* be thin clients
> and that *might* explain alt codes not working.)
Go to an Internet café and try out your tricks there. None
of them worked on any of the many different webstations
I tried them out on. And stop plaguing me with any more
of that stuff.
Meanwhile happened what I predicted. Our own Peter
T. Daniels, Peter T(he one and only) Daniels achieved
what I warned him from: a thread 'explodes' when the
1002nd message is sent. Now we have already two
"open letter ..." threads in the Google interface to sci.lang.
Ruud Harmsen
<fr...@bluemail.ch>: in sci.lang:
>Meanwhile happened what I predicted. Our own Peter
>T. Daniels, Peter T(he one and only) Daniels achieved
>what I warned him from: a thread 'explodes' when the
>1002nd message is sent. Now we have already two
>"open letter ..." threads in the Google interface to sci.lang.
1) Google is not Usenet
2) Google's 1000th message behaviour is silly.
3) Start a fresh thread and the bug (which is probably what it is)
will go away.
Harlan Messinger
> On Nov 23, 2:17 pm, Ant�nio Marques <m...@sapo.pt> wrote:
>> If you don't know how to 'copy' and 'paste', just how do you use it?
>
> U N B E L I E V E A B L E ! ! ! How many times how many
> times how many times how many times did I tell you did I tell
> you did I tell you that I can copy-and-paste within Words
What's "Words"?
> at
> home on my notebook, but not at a public webstation from
> the Internet ???
>
>> In this particular case you're not the moron, rather whoever decided
>> that 'Character Map' belong in 'System Tools' or similar, and whoever
>> decided that anything with 'System' and/or 'Tools' in its name should be
>> unavailable for 'security reasons'. What security is there in disabling
>> access to 'Character Map'??
>> Though I keep suspecting that the issue is that your 'public webstation'
>> isn't running windows at all. (Then again, they *may* be thin clients
>> and that *might* explain alt codes not working.)
>
> Go to an Internet caf� and try out your tricks there. None
> of them worked on any of the many different webstations
> I tried them out on. And stop plaguing me with any more
> of that stuff.
>
> Meanwhile happened what I predicted. Our own Peter
> T. Daniels, Peter T(he one and only) Daniels achieved
> what I warned him from: a thread 'explodes' when the
> 1002nd message is sent. Now we have already two
> "open letter ..." threads in the Google interface to sci.lang.
So? Who cares?
António Marques
> On Nov 23, 2:17 pm, António Marques<m...@sapo.pt> wrote:
>>
>> If you don't know how to 'copy' and 'paste', just how do you use it?
>
> U N B E L I E V E A B L E ! ! ! How many times how many
> times how many times how many times did I tell you did I tell
> you did I tell you that I can copy-and-paste within Words at
> home on my notebook, but not at a public webstation from
> the Internet ???
Well, that's a bit like saying you can walk forwards when in your lawn
but not when in the middle of mall's atrium. *What* is the difference?
>> In this particular case you're not the moron, rather whoever decided
>> that 'Character Map' belong in 'System Tools' or similar, and whoever
>> decided that anything with 'System' and/or 'Tools' in its name should be
>> unavailable for 'security reasons'. What security is there in disabling
>> access to 'Character Map'??
>> Though I keep suspecting that the issue is that your 'public webstation'
>> isn't running windows at all. (Then again, they *may* be thin clients
>> and that *might* explain alt codes not working.)
>
> Go to an Internet café and try out your tricks there. None
> of them worked on any of the many different webstations
> I tried them out on. And stop plaguing me with any more
> of that stuff.
Next thing you know, you'll be telling me that public faucets don't
dispense water because the ones in your important Institute (just what
exactly is it again, and why are you allowed in?) don't, 'to secure'
things from morons like you.
For the umpteenth time, but now in explicit terms, just wtf is it that
you refer to as 'a webstation'?
> Meanwhile happened what I predicted. Our own Peter
> T. Daniels, Peter T(he one and only) Daniels achieved
> what I warned him from: a thread 'explodes' when the
> 1002nd message is sent. Now we have already two
> "open letter ..." threads in the Google interface to sci.lang.
Oh noes! Tha wrldzz abyt to end!
António Marques
I suspect (though I hadn't noticed the 1000 limit) that it's a (lame)
attempt to fix the problem that a too high number of messages becomes
unwieldy for the thread tree pane. Of course, simple ideas to mitigate
such problems (such as, pray tell, if there are '2 new' in 999
conversations, why does it *still* open the thread in its first page??)
are too much for the perpetual beta company.
Bart Mathias
Amiga originally used RightAmiga^C for copy, RightAmiga^P, rather than
RA^V, for paste, but switched to RA^V sometime in the '90s, I think.
I don't remember anything aside from dragging the mouse pointer or Shift
with cursor keys to select text or graphics, but I've been using Amigas
for almost 24 years, and might have forgotten some of the older methods.
Bart Mathias
Franz Gnaedinger
> Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:26:44 -0800 (PST): Franz Gnaedinger
>
> >Meanwhile happened what I predicted. Our own Peter
> >T. Daniels, Peter T(he one and only) Daniels achieved
> >what I warned him from: a thread 'explodes' when the
> >1002nd message is sent. Now we have already two
> >"open letter ..." threads in the Google interface to sci.lang.
>
> 1) Google is not Usenet
> 2) Google's 1000th message behaviour is silly.
> 3) Start a fresh thread and the bug (which is probably what it is)
> will go away.
1) Google maintain the Usenet archive, and in that sense
they have become the Usenet
2) Google may find that there is way too much chatting
going on, also in the scientific groups, people should
think more before typing another nul and naught post,
shorter threads but more content, please
3) Did I not start a new thread with my new thread
"here you can bash Magdalenian" just because I saw
that my old thread will soon 'explode'? and did you not
call my anticipation paranoia?
Ruud Harmsen
<fr...@bluemail.ch>: in sci.lang:
>On Nov 23, 2:50 pm, Ruud Harmsen <r...@rudhar.eu> wrote:
>> Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:26:44 -0800 (PST): Franz Gnaedinger
>> <f...@bluemail.ch>: in sci.lang:
>>
>> >Meanwhile happened what I predicted. Our own Peter
>> >T. Daniels, Peter T(he one and only) Daniels achieved
>> >what I warned him from: a thread 'explodes' when the
>> >1002nd message is sent. Now we have already two
>> >"open letter ..." threads in the Google interface to sci.lang.
>>
>> 1) Google is not Usenet
>> 2) Google's 1000th message behaviour is silly.
>> 3) Start a fresh thread and the bug (which is probably what it is)
>> will go away.
>
>1) Google maintain the Usenet archive, and in that sense
>they have become the Usenet
It is possible to read and write on Usenet without ever coming even
near Google, even without having a webbrowser on your computer.
Usenet is much older than Google, what's more, older than the
internet.
>2) Google may find that there is way too much chatting
>going on, also in the scientific groups, people should
>think more before typing another nul and naught post,
>shorter threads but more content, please
Paranoid nonsense. Google doesn't look at the content.
>3) Did I not start a new thread with my new thread
>"here you can bash Magdalenian" just because I saw
>that my old thread will soon 'explode'? and did you not
>call my anticipation paranoia?
You used unclear wording.
Franz Gnaedinger
>
> Well, that's a bit like saying you can walk forwards when in your lawn
> but not when in the middle of mall's atrium. *What* is the difference?
In Word I click on the symbol of scissors, and then the
symbol of inserting. A browser offers me no such option,
I must learn complicated combinations of letters and
numbers and other signs on the keyboard. Lacking
visualization is the problem. Took engineers a long time
to learn that. Video programming is a horror, because
you don't see what you do, and every device has an own
logic or unlogic. I know very bright people who can't even
handle a cassette recorder. They have my full sympathy.
Very slowly the engineers are learning now. I bought
an English DAB+ radio, it has a big LCD field where
all necessary information is _visible_, and that device
I can use, and I enjoy it very much. I told the seller
that I only buy devices that work and are simple. I tell
them everytime. Years of buggering finally pay out in
reasonable devices. As for a computer, I bought mine
when Windows XP came out, the first system that used
pictograms and allowed intuitive working guided by visual
language. If you want me to type the capital ç on a public
webstation ask the developers of browsers to include
a visible table of signs and symbols you can click on
and make _visible_ and pick up the one you need.
Make things v i s i b l e , don't expect people to poke
around in the dark forever.
Ruud Harmsen
<fr...@bluemail.ch>: in sci.lang:
>On Nov 23, 6:10 pm, Ant�nio Marques <m...@sapo.pt> wrote:
>>
>> Well, that's a bit like saying you can walk forwards when in your lawn
>> but not when in the middle of mall's atrium. *What* is the difference?
>
>In Word I click on the symbol of scissors, and then the
>symbol of inserting. A browser offers me no such option,
Incorrect. I just checked browsers Google Chrome, Firefox, Explorer,
Opera. All four of them have such functions in their menu (except that
in Explorer, they hid the menu so you must first press ALT to see it;
one of the utterly studidest changes I ever witnessed).
>I must learn complicated combinations of letters and
>numbers and other signs on the keyboard.
You must not. You can.
>Lacking visualization is the problem.
Not for me, I use these functions so often that they are fully
automatic.
>Took engineers a long time to learn that.
For me icons are only harder to understand and remember, a text based
interface is much easier.
Panu
>
>
>
> > If you are unwilling to learn about a simple and very useful feature
> > like copy-paste, what does this tell us about your willingness to
> > learn about topics like Indo-European and Semitic etymology?
>
> I don't need it, so it isn't really useful to me. I have
> my own way of learning:
That we know. Your own way of learning means, not learning at all, and
ridiculing those people who do learn and accomplish things.
Franz Gnaedinger
>
> Incorrect. I just checked browsers Google Chrome, Firefox, Explorer,
> Opera. All four of them have such functions in their menu (except that
> in Explorer, they hid the menu so you must first press ALT to see it;
> one of the utterly studidest changes I ever witnessed).
Simply wrong for the public webstations I use, just now Mozilla
Firefox, no possibility of klicking on a table of special signs
and symbols. If there were such a possibility I would use it,
but there is none. Can we end this silly discussion now?
I have more important things to do, just now writing a message
in honor of Asko Parpola and his approach to the Indus seals
as records of a royal cosmology, see my message from a few
minutes ago that I shall repeat in my serious Magdalenian thread.
The gray Pasupati tablet has become the tablet of Muruku as
Lord of the Universe, in a combination of Asko Parpola's approach
and my reading of visual language.and reconstructions of lunisolar
calendars. The Muruku as Lord of the Universe tablet may be the
fisrt completely or almost completely deciphered Indus tablet.
Richard Herring
<76a5f1d5-1c38-4497...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com>,
Franz Gnaedinger <fr...@bluemail.ch> writes
>On Nov 24, 12:47 pm, Ruud Harmsen <r...@rudhar.eu> wrote:
>>
>> Incorrect. I just checked browsers Google Chrome, Firefox, Explorer,
>> Opera. All four of them have such functions in their menu (except that
>> in Explorer, they hid the menu so you must first press ALT to see it;
>> one of the utterly studidest changes I ever witnessed).
>
>Simply wrong for the public webstations I use, just now Mozilla
>Firefox, no possibility of klicking on a table of special signs
>and symbols.
<sigh>
Firefox is a *web browser*. You can look at any web page on the entire
internet with it, and the probability that not one of those pages
contains a "table of special signs and symbols" is approximately nil.
>If there were such a possibility I would use it,
>but there is none.
Here's the first one I found in about ten seconds of searching:
http://www.utf8-chartable.de/unicode-utf8-table.pl
>Can we end this silly discussion now?
!
--
Richard Herring
Ruud Harmsen
>> Incorrect. I just checked browsers Google Chrome, Firefox, Explorer,
>> Opera. All four of them have such functions in their menu (except that
>> in Explorer, they hid the menu so you must first press ALT to see it;
>> one of the utterly studidest changes I ever witnessed).
Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:47:50 -0800 (PST): Franz Gnaedinger
<fr...@bluemail.ch>: in sci.lang:
>Simply wrong for the public webstations I use, just now Mozilla
>Firefox, no possibility of klicking on a table of special signs
>and symbols. If there were such a possibility I would use it,
>but there is none.
I wasn't talking about a tool bar but about a menu. The second menu
from the left is "Edit". That's more or less the standard in any
Windows program. (Except that Microsoft violates its own standards in
Word 2007; they call that innovation; I call it obstruction.)
>Can we end this silly discussion now?
Why, it's just started and getting useful!
Franz Gnaedinger
>
> I wasn't talking about a tool bar but about a menu. The second menu
> from the left is "Edit". That's more or less the standard in any
> Windows program. (Except that Microsoft violates its own standards in
> Word 2007; they call that innovation; I call it obstruction.)
A N D A L L T H E S E F U N C T I O N S A R E
D E A C T I V A T E D ! ! !
In case you don't understand:
A L L
T H E S E
F U N C T I O N S
A R E
D E A C T I V A T E D,
G R A Y
I N S T E A D
O F
B L A C K,
N O T
W O R K I N G
O N
A
P U B L I C
W E B S T A T I O N
Ruud Harmsen
<fr...@bluemail.ch>: in sci.lang:
>On Nov 25, 11:41 am, Ruud Harmsen <r...@rudhar.eu> wrote:
>>
>> I wasn't talking about a tool bar but about a menu. The second menu
>> from the left is "Edit". That's more or less the standard in any
>> Windows program. (Except that Microsoft violates its own standards in
>> Word 2007; they call that innovation; I call it obstruction.)
>
>A N D A L L T H E S E F U N C T I O N S A R E
>D E A C T I V A T E D ! ! !
I don't understand/don't believe you. It is inconceivable that a Swiss
cybercaf� would go into the trouble of creating some sort of a patched
Firefox version in order to make something perfectly harmless like the
usual Windows editing functions inaccessible.
That they block the Opions function (perhaps by making the file that
stores the options read-only), I _can_ imagine. You don't want clients
fiddling with options. But standard Windows editing (i.e. Cut, Copy,
Paste) doesn't involve special options.
>In case you don't understand:
>
>A L L
>
>T H E S E
Shouting doesn't make me find what you say any likelier.
Ruud Harmsen
<fr...@bluemail.ch>: in sci.lang:
>In case you don't understand:
>
>A L L T H E S E F U N C T I O N S A R E D E A C T I V A T E D,
>G R A Y I N S T E A D O F B L A C K,
Now I see what you mean. But that has nothing to do with a specific
computer, it's the same everyway, and it works by contextual
activation.
If you look at a webpage (without any forms), pasting is disabled
because there is no place where you could paste anyhing.
(I'm testing this now, in Firefox 3.5.4.)
As long as you selected no text in the web page, cutting or copying
makes no sense either, so these functions are greyed out too. As soon
as you select (with the mouse, for example), this changes. (Now see if
it's true: yes, Copy becomes black, but Cut doesn't, makes sense,
because cutting text from somebody else's website isn't possible.)
>O N A P U B L I C W E B S T A T I O N
Nothing to do with that, see above. Just normal and sensible
application behaviour.
Franz Gnaedinger
>
> Now I see what you mean. But that has nothing to do with a specific
> computer, it's the same everyway, and it works by contextual
> activation.
>
> If you look at a webpage (without any forms), pasting is disabled
> because there is no place where you could paste anyhing.
>
> makes no sense either, so these functions are greyed out too. As soon
> as you select (with the mouse, for example), this changes. (Now see if
> it's true: yes, Copy becomes black, but Cut doesn't, makes sense,
> because cutting text from somebody else's website isn't possible.)
Shouting helped, you finally got my problem,
and I understand what you are telling me in reply.
I tried with the cedille, googled for cedille and looked
up the Wikipedia page, copied a cedille from there
and pasted it into an e-mail I wrote, it worked, only
that it was a lower case cedille, so I would have to go
back to the Wikpedia page and pick up another one
and hope it will be an upper case cedille I can use in
writing my e-mail, or a sci.lang message. I won't
do this when I write a message, for when I take too
long in composing a message, time expires and
what I wrote is lost, happened several times.
But I next time I will copy my own lines and look
whether I can paste them into a new writing field.
What I wish and need is a direct access to a table
of signs and symbols. In an Internet corner at the
main train station the browser has a correcting
program built in. When I write a message or an
e-mail it automatically underlines mistakes in red.
It's a great help, but not always reliable. Now I hope
for a better correcting program plus a table of special
signs and symbols one can directly access, without
having to leave the e-mail form or the writing field
of a message in the Google interface of sci.lang.
As long as I don't have direct access to such a table
I will go on writing Catal Höyük, as I find it also
in the English translation of a Greek book on the
Minoans. And half the times façade is given as
facade, and nobody cares. One just has to know
that C is either be K or S or J, celt is Kelt or Selt,
facade is faSade, cello is Jello, and Catal Höyük
is Jatal Höyük.
Peter T. Daniels
> I will go on writing Catal Höyük, as I find it also
> in the English translation of a Greek book on the
> Minoans. And half the times façade is given as
> facade, and nobody cares. One just has to know
> that C is either be K or S or J, celt is Kelt or Selt,
> facade is faSade, cello is Jello, and Catal Höyük
> is Jatal Höyük.
Cello is not Jello, it's chello just like in Italian.
How do you manage to type the umlauts in Hoyuk but not the cedilla in
Catal?
Franz Gnaedinger
>
> Cello is not Jello, it's chello just like in Italian.
So C is either K or S or CH.
> How do you manage to type the umlauts in Hoyuk but not the cedilla in
> Catal?
I have the umlauts on the keybord, k l ö ä $, but no cedille,
a small cedille above the number 4 ç ° but I can't produce
a capital cedille. However, I copied a capital cedille from
Wikipedia beforehand, and will see if I can paste it now:
ÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇ
Hurray, it works. I will then have to get my special sign
before I begin writing a message. Still a bit complicated.
But what are you doing in the Usenet today, Peter?
Mark from San Francisco is here and told me today is
Thanksgiving. Don't you have to celebrate instead of
hanging around in sci.lang?
Peter T. Daniels
> On Nov 26, 3:58 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Cello is not Jello, it's chello just like in Italian.
>
> So C is either K or S or CH.
Largely predictable, too.
> > How do you manage to type the umlauts in Hoyuk but not the cedilla in
> > Catal?
>
> I have the umlauts on the keybord, k l ö ä $, but no cedille,
> a small cedille above the number 4 ç ° but I can't produce
> a capital cedille. However, I copied a capital cedille from
> Wikipedia beforehand, and will see if I can paste it now:
>
> ÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇÇ
>
> Hurray, it works. I will then have to get my special sign
> before I begin writing a message. Still a bit complicated.
> But what are you doing in the Usenet today, Peter?
> Mark from San Francisco is here and told me today is
> Thanksgiving. Don't you have to celebrate instead of
> hanging around in sci.lang?
What do you mean by "have to celebrate"?
If you're "celebrating" something, does the "celebrating" occupy your
entire day, from dawn to dusk? As it happens, because today is a major
holiday, I didn't have to move the car for street-cleaning, as I
normally must do every Monday and Thursday by 8:15 am. And in fact I
slept until 9 instead of 7 -- which is why this message is so much
later than my usual morning messages.
Did you need to know any of that?
Richard Herring
<609ab5d1-6e25-4b42...@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
Franz Gnaedinger <fr...@bluemail.ch> writes
>
>What I wish and need is a direct access to a table
>of signs and symbols.
Didn't you look at the URL I posted?
http://www.utf8-chartable.de/unicode-utf8-table.pl
--
Richard Herring
Franz Gnaedinger
> In message
> <609ab5d1-6e25-4b42-8958-d7a8a42a8...@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
> Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch> writes
>
>
>
> >What I wish and need is a direct access to a table
> >of signs and symbols.
>
> Didn't you look at the URL I posted?
>
> http://www.utf8-chartable.de/unicode-utf8-table.pl
What do I do with such a table? if I a drove a car
(I don't drive a car) and wished to brake must
I climb on a hind seat and get a manual out of
of a case and study it and desperate over
the advice I don't understand and cell phone
a friend who explains me the manual and then
climb back to the front seat and type in a
complicated combination on a keybord and
hope the car slows down instead of crashing
into the next tree? No, I would simply put my foot
on the brake, because a reasonable car offers me
a quick way of stopping. And so in writing I wish for
a quick way of getting the signs and special symbols
I need, otherwise I simply write Catal Höyük without
an attached fishing hook.
Ruud Harmsen
<fr...@bluemail.ch>: in sci.lang:
>Hurray, it works. I will then have to get my special sign
>before I begin writing a message. Still a bit complicated.
Which is why I use the US Internatinal keyboard layout, which makes it
all easy.
Richard Herring
<025d3f88-61af-4126...@v30g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Franz Gnaedinger <fr...@bluemail.ch> writes
>On Nov 26, 4:29 pm, Richard Herring <junk@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
>> In message
>> <609ab5d1-6e25-4b42-8958-d7a8a42a8...@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
>> Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch> writes
>>
>>
>>
>> >What I wish and need is a direct access to a table
>> >of signs and symbols.
>>
>> Didn't you look at the URL I posted?
>>
>> http://www.utf8-chartable.de/unicode-utf8-table.pl
>
>What do I do with such a table?
COPY AND PASTE FROM IT, idiot.
> if I a drove a car
>(I don't drive a car)
for which I'm sure we're all thankful.
> and wished to brake must
>I climb on a hind seat and get a manual out of
>of a case and study it and desperate over
>the advice I don't understand and cell phone
>a friend who explains me the manual and then
>climb back to the front seat and type in a
>complicated combination on a keybord and
>hope the car slows down instead of crashing
>into the next tree? No, I would simply put my foot
>on the brake, because a reasonable car offers me
>a quick way of stopping. And so in writing I wish for
>a quick way of getting the signs and special symbols
>I need, otherwise I simply write Catal H�y�k without
>an attached fishing hook.
>
--
Richard Herring
Ruud Harmsen
>>>What I wish and need is a direct access to a table
>>>of signs and symbols.
>Richard Herring:
>> Didn't you look at the URL I posted?
>>
>> http://www.utf8-chartable.de/unicode-utf8-table.pl
Franz Gnaedinger:
>What do I do with such a table?
Copy from and paste elsewhere.
Ruud Harmsen
<fr...@bluemail.ch>: in sci.lang:
>What do I do with such a table? if I a drove a car
>(I don't drive a car) and wished to brake must
>I climb on a hind seat and get a manual out of
>of a case and study it and desperate over
>the advice I don't understand and cell phone
>a friend who explains me the manual and then
>climb back to the front seat and type in a
>complicated combination on a keybord and
>hope the car slows down instead of crashing
>into the next tree?
That's why I have normal brakes fitted in all MY cars/computers: The
US International keyboard layout.
>No, I would simply put my foot
>on the brake, because a reasonable car offers me
>a quick way of stopping. And so in writing I wish for
>a quick way of getting the signs and special symbols
>I need, otherwise I simply write Catal H�y�k without
>an attached fishing hook.
I gave you one repeatedly, but you don't want it. �atal H�y�k.
Franz Gnaedinger
>
> COPY AND PASTE FROM IT, idiot.
This idiot just exchanges e-mails with Dr. Steve Farmer,
here the one I wrote minutes ago, answering his reply
(let us see whether my newly learned copy-and-paste
method works):
* Good evening, Dr. Farmer,
* thank you for the reply. I should have said that you
* should not care about my paleolinguistic reconstructions
* but look at my reconstruction of the _lunisolar calendar_
* of the god Parpola identified with muruku or Murukan,
* 'crab in fig tree' - his description of this god in his
* September 2009 paper fits exactly my reconstruction
* of the lunisolar calendar inherited from the Göbekli Tepe
* and modified by the people in the Indus Valley, part 19
* of my message from this morning, and it allows me to
* add the missing parts. This proves that Parpola is right
* and may now be considered the decipherer of the Indus
* script. I hope that my support will boost his work, and at
* the same time I say that your intervention was required
* in order to move things and accelerate them and gain
* more respect for the understanding of visual language.
* (And my paleolinguistic work that comes second shows
* that also the Dravidian speaking people came from
* the north, from Eurasia and the Göbekli Tepe.)
* Regards, Franz Gnaedinger
Yes, it does, and so I make it official: Professor
Asko Parpola is the decipherer of the Indus script.
He has the right approach, and he came very far
considering the puns he has to tackle in a poorly
documented language.
Thank you Ruud Harmsen, for having instructed me
about the copy-and-paste technique, I see now that
I can use it, saves me a lot of work. On the other
hand it is not bad to write a message again, often
gives me new ideas, and makes me see how I can
make things simpler. - I would also like to work with
an US keyboard, but you can't change the settings
of a public webstation. Next time I write a message
requiring an extra-sign I pick it up beforehand,
as I still don't dare leave the writing field, go surfing,
and then return. And I insist that writing fields, whether
for e-mails or messages to a group or a forum,
should have direct access to a good thesaurus
and a table of signs and symbols.
Ruud Harmsen
<fr...@bluemail.ch>: in sci.lang:
>Thank you Ruud Harmsen, for having instructed me
>about the copy-and-paste technique, I see now that
>I can use it, saves me a lot of work.
OK, my pleasure.
Ruud Harmsen
<fr...@bluemail.ch>: in sci.lang:
>I would also like to work with
>an US keyboard, but you can't change the settings
>of a public webstation.
I can imagine that, yes, it seems likely that system managers block
that somehow.
>Next time I write a message
>requiring an extra-sign I pick it up beforehand,
>as I still don't dare leave the writing field, go surfing,
>and then return.
Why not? It works! Windows has been multi-tasking since W3.10 in or
around 1993.
>And I insist that writing fields, whether
>for e-mails or messages to a group or a forum,
>should have direct access to a good thesaurus
>and a table of signs and symbols.
--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.eu
John Atkinson
> Fri, 27 Nov 2009 07:42:23 -0800 (PST): Franz Gnaedinger
> <fr...@bluemail.ch>: in sci.lang:
>
>> I would also like to work with
>> an US keyboard, but you can't change the settings
>> of a public webstation.
>
> I can imagine that, yes, it seems likely that system managers block
> that somehow.
>
>> Next time I write a message
>> requiring an extra-sign I pick it up beforehand,
>> as I still don't dare leave the writing field, go surfing,
>> and then return.
>
> Why not? It works! Windows has been multi-tasking since W3.10 in or
> around 1993.
>
first place.
An alternative solution is to do all your writing in Word (or Open
Office, or whatever word processing package is on that computer). Inset
your characters using the Insert/Special Characters on the menu (yes, a
hassle I know, compared with using the US Int keyboard), then copy your
completed text to wherever you need it.
>
>> And I insist that writing fields, whether
>> for e-mails or messages to a group or a forum,
>> should have direct access to a good thesaurus
>> and a table of signs and symbols.
>
By "a table of signs and symbols" do you mean something like the table
of special characters in Word? you seem to be contradicting yourself here!
J.
Franz Gnaedinger
>
> I can imagine that, yes, it seems likely that system managers block
> that somehow.
>
> around 1993.
So I will try it once, but there is always the problem
of expiring time, then your message is lost. I rather
use my time for composing and correcting a post.
And as for the link to a table Richard Herring
posted: I found no signs on this table, just codes,
U+1111 and such. Why should I copy and paste
such codes? I want the sign, not a code I don't know
how to use, and the Alt 0119 thing Antonio Marques
told me about doesn't work on the public webstations
either. Now also John Atkinson showed up, telling me
that I have to use the sign and symbol list of Word,
and so I am back to field 1 and must explain him
that a public webstation has Word blocked, you can't
access the program. I have better things to do than
ever repeating myself. Today I will post a message
wherein I propose that the Indus tablets are 'stills'
of the Murukan epic, and will outline that epic, would
make a great movie, hope Asko Parpola will go for
the script ...
Ruud Harmsen
<fr...@bluemail.ch>: in sci.lang:
>> Why not? It works! Windows has been multi-tasking
>> since W3.10 in or around 1993.
>
>So I will try it once, but there is always the problem
>of expiring time, then your message is lost. I rather
>use my time for composing and correcting a post.
[...]
>either. Now also John Atkinson showed up, telling me
>that I have to use the sign and symbol list of Word,
>and so I am back to field 1 and must explain him
>that a public webstation has Word blocked, you can't
>access the program.
More likely, it has been installed, because doing that legally costs
money. Word is a commercial program, not part of a standard Windows
installation.
You can however always use Notepad, prepare a message that you same as
a temporary file (so there is no time pressure), and then paste it
into a Google message field when done editing.
An extra advantage of using Notepad as a text buffer, is that you copy
and paste from multiple sources.
I have better things to do than
>ever repeating myself. Today I will post a message
>wherein I propose that the Indus tablets are 'stills'
>of the Murukan epic, and will outline that epic, would
>make a great movie, hope Asko Parpola will go for
>the script ...
>
--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.eu
Franz Gnaedinger
>
> More likely, it has been installed, because doing that legally costs
> money. Word is a commercial program, not part of a standard Windows
> installation.
>
> You can however always use Notepad, prepare a message that you same as
> a temporary file (so there is no time pressure), and then paste it
> into a Google message field when done editing.
>
> An extra advantage of using Notepad as a text buffer, is that you copy
> and paste from multiple sources.
On our public webstations we have access to a browser
and nothing else, no Word, not even Notepad. One library
installed four writing stations where we can use Word,
nothing else, no browser. However, I could compose
a long message in my e-mail account:
- go to e-mail account
- log in e-mail
- write message
- safe it as draft
- log out e-mail
- go for Google
- get me a hook from the cedille page of Wikipedia
- go to e-mail account
- log in e-mail
- look up draft
- paste cedille
- go on writing message
- copy message
- log out e-mail
- go for Google
- go for sci.lang
- log in sci.lang
- call up thread
- go for reply
- paste message
- send it
- log out sci.lang
Rather a long chain. I sure hope one day a table
of signs and symbols will be included in writing fields,
plus a direct access to a thesaurus.
Ruud Harmsen
<fr...@bluemail.ch>: in sci.lang:
>On our public webstations we have access to a browser
>and nothing else, no Word, not even Notepad.
Very unlikely. Perhaps they run Linux instead of Windows? Then too,
there is a text editor somewhere.
And maybe, if public workstations are so limited, ADSL or Cable
Internet is the thing for you, even if it scares you.
>Rather a long chain.
Yes. Life is at least as hard as you make it.
>I sure hope one day a table
>of signs and symbols will be included in writing fields,
>plus a direct access to a thesaurus.
I sure hope you get direct access one day.
Yusuf B Gursey
> Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:04:19 -0800 (PST): Franz Gnaedinger
>
>
>
> >> Why not? It works! Windows has been multi-tasking
> >> since W3.10 in or around 1993.
>
> >So I will try it once, but there is always the problem
> >of expiring time, then your message is lost. I rather
> >use my time for composing and correcting a post.
> [...]
> >either. Now also John Atkinson showed up, telling me
> >that I have to use the sign and symbol list of Word,
> >and so I am back to field 1 and must explain him
> >that a public webstation has Word blocked, you can't
> >access the program.
>
> More likely, it has been installed, because doing that legally costs
> money. Word is a commercial program, not part of a standard Windows
> installation.
Windows comes with WordPad, also called "write", that reads Word
documents, but saves them in .rtf (Rich Text Format) form.
>
> You can however always use Notepad, prepare a message that you same as
> a temporary file (so there is no time pressure), and then paste it
> into a Google message field when done editing.
>
> An extra advantage of using Notepad as a text buffer, is that you copy
> and paste from multiple sources.
I do that frequently. BTW Notepad has the option of Unicode format
saving.
PaulJK
> Sun, 29 Nov 2009 00:11:09 -0800 (PST): Franz Gnaedinger
> <fr...@bluemail.ch>: in sci.lang:
>
>> On our public webstations we have access to a browser
>> and nothing else, no Word, not even Notepad.
What happens when you hold Ctrl and press Esc?
Do you get Windows' program quick launch menu?
pjk
Ruud Harmsen
<ybgu...@yahoo.com>: in sci.lang:
>Windows comes with WordPad, /
Right. It's much more powerful than Notepad.
>/ also called "write",
Write is a much older program, from the Windows 3.10 and 3.11 era.
>that reads Word
>documents, but saves them in .rtf (Rich Text Format) form.
It does. But it handles only simple Word files, e.g. tables in Word
are not supported.
(Or maybe that was only in WinMe? Did I test that in Vista too? Can;t
remember.)
Yusuf B Gursey
> Sun, 29 Nov 2009 01:38:58 -0800 (PST): Yusuf B Gursey
>
> >Windows comes with WordPad, /
>
> Right. It's much more powerful than Notepad.
but still I usually use "Notepad" for preparing for posting, as
newsreaders (or at least the web posting for "Google") don't support
other formats, and they will be transformed into .txt format when I
post.
>
> >/ also called "write",
>
> Write is a much older program, from the Windows 3.10 and 3.11 era.
>
somehow my shortcut for WordPad in my Windows 200 machine (I have
other more powerful ones) was labeled "write" that's why. but what you
say is true.
Panu
>I have better things to do than
> ever repeating myself.
So why don't you leave this place to get on with those better things?
I am hardly the only one wondering at this.
DKleinecke
> On Nov 29, 2:29 pm, Ruud Harmsen <r...@rudhar.eu> wrote:
>
> > Sun, 29 Nov 2009 01:38:58 -0800 (PST): Yusuf B Gursey
> > <ybgur...@yahoo.com>: in sci.lang:
>
> > >Windows comes with WordPad, /
>
> > Right. It's much more powerful than Notepad.
>
> but still I usually use "Notepad" for preparing for posting, as
> newsreaders (or at least the web posting for "Google") don't support
> other formats, and they will be transformed into .txt format when I
> post.
>
>
>
> > >/ also called "write",
>
> > Write is a much older program, from the Windows 3.10 and 3.11 era.
>
> somehow my shortcut for WordPad in my Windows 200 machine (I have
> other more powerful ones) was labeled "write" that's why. but what you
> say is true.
>
MicroSoft considered Wordpad an upgrade of write and some of the
material didn't get upgraded when they changed the name.
The glory of Notepad is that it strips everything out of a file except
the basic text. Great for reducing web pages to their essence.
I'm running Ubuntu Linux these days and their dumb word processor -
gedit - is even dumber than Notepad. I miss Wordpad - there is no
equivalent available apparently. I wasn't using Microsoft's Notepad or
Wordpad but rather clones by, I think, Cetus. Notepad was just a mode
of Wordpad in Cetus' version.
Yusuf B Gursey
it seems my computer had both and I put in "write". thanks. I will now
use "WordPad" until Iget around toinstalling Microsoft Word
Franz Gnaedinger
>
> What happens when you hold Ctrl and press Esc?
> Do you get Windows' program quick launch menu?
A frenzy of blinking lights in quick succession,
Firefox - programs autostart empty - goodbye.
Empty, no programs, not one program, void
of programs, you can't use any program,
all programs are deactivated, deliberately
deactivated, as I am trying to tell you all since
weeks. And programs empty includes Word
and Notepad and WordPad, also they are
n o t available, all of them are deactivated,
for the libraries offer the webstations for
research in the catalogues, and some online
research, but want nobody around who writes
books on a library computer, and blocks the
webstations for hours and days and weeks
and months. The main purposes is to use
the catalogues of the libraries, file banks (?),
e-collections, and e-journals. You can look up
the catalogues and electronical journals and
collections, and you can do some research
online, but you can't use any other program,
not even Notepad: programs autostart empty,
no program.
John Atkinson
> On Nov 29, 7:50 pm, DKleinecke <dkleine...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 29, 11:57 am, Yusuf B Gursey <y...@theworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Nov 29, 2:29 pm, Ruud Harmsen <r...@rudhar.eu> wrote:
>>>> Sun, 29 Nov 2009 01:38:58 -0800 (PST): Yusuf B Gursey
>>>> <ybgur...@yahoo.com>: in sci.lang:
>>>>> Windows comes with WordPad,
>>>> Right. It's much more powerful than Notepad.
>>> but still I usually use "Notepad" for preparing for posting, as
>>> newsreaders (or at least the web posting for "Google") don't support
>>> other formats, and they will be transformed into .txt format when I
>>> post.
>>>>> / also called "write",
>>>> Write is a much older program, from the Windows 3.10 and 3.11 era.
>>> somehow my shortcut for WordPad in my Windows 200 machine (I have
>>> other more powerful ones) was labeled "write" that's why. but what you
>>> say is true.
>> MicroSoft considered Wordpad an upgrade of write and some of the
>> material didn't get upgraded when they changed the name.
>>
>> The glory of Notepad is that it strips everything out of a file except
>> the basic text. Great for reducing web pages to their essence.
>>
>> I'm running Ubuntu Linux these days and their dumb word processor -
>> gedit - is even dumber than Notepad. I miss Wordpad - there is no
>> equivalent available apparently. I wasn't using Microsoft's Notepad or
>> Wordpad but rather clones by, I think, Cetus. Notepad was just a mode
>> of Wordpad in Cetus' version.
>
> it seems my computer had both and I put in "write". thanks. I will now
> use "WordPad" until I get around to installing Microsoft Word
>
Save yourself a little money and download Open Office instead. It's
very similar to Microsoft Office (including Word of course), better in
many respects, and it's free. You can save your documents in *.doc
format to send off so other people can read them.
I didn't bother to get Word installed on this computer at all, I just
use O.O., which I run on both Vista and Ubuntu. Actually, I don't think
Word is available for Linux systems anyway.
I use gedit for writing HTML source code -- it's excellent for that.
John.
Yusuf B Gursey
I already have Microsoft Office, it's just that my computer got
reformated due to a virus. but thanks fo rthe suggestion anyway.
johnk
So they don't have any internet cafés in Switzerland? Why don't you
try finding a decent computer instead of using a library card catalog
computer? Our public library also has a room with computers that
patrons can use. There are several coffe shops here that have
computers for people to use (and free wireless access if you have your
own). Surely there is someplace you can find a half-way decent
computer.
PaulJK
> On Nov 30, 3:12 am, Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch> wrote:
>> On Nov 29, 11:20 am, "PaulJK" <paul.kr...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>
>>> What happens when you hold Ctrl and press Esc?
>>> Do you get Windows' program quick launch menu?
>>
>> A frenzy of blinking lights in quick succession,
What lights???
>> Firefox - programs autostart empty - goodbye.
>> Empty, no programs, not one program, void
>> of programs, you can't use any program,
>> all programs are deactivated, deliberately
>> deactivated,
What are you talking about?
>> as I am trying to tell you all since weeks.
If you can't write English, respond in German.
However, I already know since years :-) that you
cannot be helped.
>> And programs empty includes Word
>> and Notepad and WordPad, also they are
>> n o t available, all of them are deactivated,
>> for the libraries offer the webstations for
>> research in the catalogues, and some online
>> research, but want nobody around who writes
>> books on a library computer, and blocks the
>> webstations for hours and days and weeks
>> and months. The main purposes is to use
>> the catalogues of the libraries, file banks (?),
>> e-collections, and e-journals. You can look up
>> the catalogues and electronical journals and
>> collections, and you can do some research
>> online, but you can't use any other program,
>> not even Notepad: programs autostart empty,
>> no program.
>
> So they don't have any internet caf�s in Switzerland? Why don't you
> try finding a decent computer instead of using a library card catalog
> computer? Our public library also has a room with computers that
> patrons can use. There are several coffe shops here that have
> computers for people to use (and free wireless access if you have your
> own). Surely there is someplace you can find a half-way decent
> computer.
Over here a second hand machine discarded by the local
businesses, only 3-5 years old, with all necessary s/w installed,
perfectly good for emails and web surfing can be bought for
$100 or less, which is about 75 CHF or USD).
Local phone calls of unlimited duration are free.
pjk
Franz Gnaedinger
> j
> What are you talking about?
I am talking about the restrictions of public webstations,
especially the ones in libraries. They give only access
to a browser, no other program,. When I click on Start
I get Firefox and Programs - Autostart - empty, and
Sign out. No program. Saying it five times or more
in my previous message was not enough, apparently.
That son of a professor is very good at simulating
bahnhof. So I say it again: we can only look up the
catalogs and Firefox, everything else is blocked.
Even direct e-mails are blocked. When I find an
e-mail address online, for example the ones of
Prof. Asko Parpola and Dr. Steve Farmer, to quote
recent examples, and when I click on the e-mail
the system shuts down, and the screen says sorry,
you must observe the restricting rules of using the
public webstations. I note the e-mail address
and go to my e-mail account and write my mail
there, which works. No problem, as long as the
e-mail addresses are not hidden, say, behind the
word contact.
> Over here a second hand machine discarded by the local
> businesses, only 3-5 years old, with all necessary s/w installed,
> perfectly good for emails and web surfing can be bought for
> $100 or less, which is about 75 CHF or USD).
> Local phone calls of unlimited duration are free.
What are you telling me? I got a perfect hp Windows XP
notebook at home, no problem in eight years, and I have
no problem because I don't go online with my notebook
but use public webstations for discussing and publishing
in Web fora.
Ruud Harmsen
<fr...@bluemail.ch>: in sci.lang:
>> Over here a second hand machine discarded by the local
>> businesses, only 3-5 years old, with all necessary s/w installed,
>> perfectly good for emails and web surfing can be bought for
>> $100 or less, which is about 75 CHF or USD).
>> Local phone calls of unlimited duration are free.
>
>What are you telling me? I got a perfect hp Windows XP
>notebook at home, no problem in eight years, and I have
>no problem because I don't go online with my notebook
>but use public webstations for discussing and publishing
>in Web fora.
As I said earlier:
Life is at least as hard as you make it.
--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com
Franz Gnaedinger
> Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:58:58 -0800 (PST): Franz Gnaedinger
>
> >> Over here a second hand machine discarded by the local
> >> businesses, only 3-5 years old, with all necessary s/w installed,
> >> perfectly good for emails and web surfing can be bought for
> >> $100 or less, which is about 75 CHF or USD).
> >> Local phone calls of unlimited duration are free.
>
> >What are you telling me? I got a perfect hp Windows XP
> >notebook at home, no problem in eight years, and I have
> >no problem because I don't go online with my notebook
> >but use public webstations for discussing and publishing
> >in Web fora.
>
> As I said earlier:
> Life is at least as hard as you make it.
I have no real problem, never a problem with my notebook,
and no problem inventing simplified notations, I will go on
writing Catal Höyük, as the Americans go on writing
facade, and anyway, nobody can render the PIE pseudo-
algebraic formulas I find in literature, I most always have
to render them in simplified versions. It is a principle
problem, you can't render all those many notations,
and I use my brainpower for solving real tasks, not for
playing around on the keybord and wasting my time
with typologcial pseudo-problems. These will be solved
with a new generation of PCs and browsers. Yes, I make
life hard for myself because I listen too much to what you
all are telling me.
Yusuf B Gursey
> On Dec 1, 11:11 am, Ruud Harmsen <r...@rudhar.eu> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:58:58 -0800 (PST): Franz Gnaedinger
> > <f...@bluemail.ch>: in sci.lang:
>
> > >> Over here a second hand machine discarded by the local
> > >> businesses, only 3-5 years old, with all necessary s/w installed,
> > >> perfectly good for emails and web surfing can be bought for
> > >> $100 or less, which is about 75 CHF or USD).
> > >> Local phone calls of unlimited duration are free.
>
> > >What are you telling me? I got a perfect hp Windows XP
> > >notebook at home, no problem in eight years, and I have
> > >no problem because I don't go online with my notebook
> > >but use public webstations for discussing and publishing
> > >in Web fora.
>
> > As I said earlier:
> > Life is at least as hard as you make it.
>
> I have no real problem, never a problem with my notebook,
> and no problem inventing simplified notations, I will go on
> writing Catal Höyük, as the Americans go on writing
that's OK with me. I just wondered why you used the extended
characters elsewhere and not for Ç . now I got my answer.
PaulJK
> On Dec 1, 7:02 am, "PaulJK" <paul.kr...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>> j
>> What are you talking about?
>
> I am talking about the restrictions of public webstations,
> especially the ones in libraries.
I asked you what happens when you press Ctrl Esc.
If you responded with what actually happens it would
provide me with some insight into your "webstation"[sic]
environment. But all you said was something completely
incomprehensible to me about some lights frantically flashing.
The following tripe is no use to me, as you have said
you have already said it many time before. Well,
as I also said before and again repeat myself, what's
the point of saying it, plus, you can't be helped.
What I am telling you should be clear to a twelve year old
child. Get the least expensive machine you can find with
a dial up modem. Do not network it with your secure
home computer. If you use dial-up modem and never click
on suspect links you may not need to run any virus checking
programs at all. (I've never caught a single virus since I build
my first PCs in 1977). If you need to transfer a file to you
notebook, do it via a floppy, cd, usb ram, or some other
method which quarantees that only what you want to take
across actually gets across and nothing more.
If you are real unlucky and catch a virus, it infects only
your email/usenet cheepie. You can always srap the
contents of the hard disc and reload backups of you
OS and application s/w.
You can never be worse off then you are sponging off
the libraries while at the same time you get rid of the
problems caused by not being in control of the system
and application software.
pjk
Franz Gnaedinger
>
> I asked you what happens when you press Ctrl Esc.
> If you responded with what actually happens it would
> provide me with some insight into your "webstation"[sic]
> environment. But all you said was something completely
> incomprehensible to me about some lights frantically flashing.
I told you what happened, damn it, but you did not read
my reply, you read my maimed reply within in the reply
posted by the junk alias of my stalker. I told you what
happened when I press the Ctrl and Esc at the same
time: the Start field shows three lines, each one lighting
up for a fraction of a fraction of a second, alternating,
Firexfox - Programs (autostart - empty) - Goodbye.
A frenzy of blinking lights, I told you. Only Firefox can
be used, all other programs are deactivated. How many
times must I tell you the same? Do you have nothing
better to do than leading such a silly and fruitless
discussion?
> The following tripe is no use to me, as you have said
> you have already said it many time before. Well,
> as I also said before and again repeat myself, what's
> the point of saying it, plus, you can't be helped.
>
> What I am telling you should be clear to a twelve year old
> child. Get the least expensive machine you can find with
> a dial up modem. Do not network it with your secure
> home computer. If you use dial-up modem and never click
> on suspect links you may not need to run any virus checking
> programs at all. (I've never caught a single virus since I build
> my first PCs in 1977). If you need to transfer a file to you
> notebook, do it via a floppy, cd, usb ram, or some other
> method which quarantees that only what you want to take
> across actually gets across and nothing more.
>
> If you are real unlucky and catch a virus, it infects only
> your email/usenet cheepie. You can always srap the
> contents of the hard disc and reload backups of you
> OS and application s/w.
> You can never be worse off then you are sponging off
> the libraries while at the same time you get rid of the
> problems caused by not being in control of the system
> and application software.
I don't fill my room with junk devices. What I do with my
space and my money is none of your concerns. My way
of working bears fruit. Where is the fruit of your work?
Nothing visible in sci.lang.
Ruud Harmsen
<fr...@bluemail.ch>: in sci.lang:
>I have no real problem, never a problem with my notebook,
>and no problem inventing simplified notations, I will go on
>writing Catal H�y�k, as the Americans go on writing
>facade, and anyway, nobody can render the PIE pseudo-
>algebraic formulas I find in literature, I most always have
>to render them in simplified versions.
I can quite easily render �atal, and I have been able to for many
years already.
>It is a principle
>problem, you can't render all those many notations,
It's not a problem and yes, you can too.
>and I use my brainpower for solving real tasks, not for
>playing around on the keybord and wasting my time
>with typologcial pseudo-problems. These will be solved
>with a new generation of PCs and browsers.
This generation and the previous and the one before that were already
quite sufficient for rendering � and �.
>Yes, I make life hard for myself because I listen
>too much to what you all are telling me.
You make life hard by stubbourning rejecting all the simple solutions
offered.
Ruud Harmsen
<y...@theworld.com>: in sci.lang:
>> I have no real problem, never a problem with my notebook,
>> and no problem inventing simplified notations, I will go on
>> writing Catal H�y�k, as the Americans go on writing
>
>that's OK with me. I just wondered why you used the extended
>characters elsewhere and not for � . now I got my answer.
Because � is, but � isn't needed for languages spoken in Switzerland.
Fa�ade, re�u, FACADE, RECU (would French writers be able to type
FA�ADE and RE�U?)
Panu
> My way
> of working bears fruit. Where is the fruit of your work?
> Nothing visible in sci.lang.
Franz, what is your address? I'd love to send you a copy of this:
Yusuf B Gursey
> Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:51:09 -0800 (PST): Yusuf B Gursey
> <y...@theworld.com>: in sci.lang:
>
> >> I have no real problem, never a problem with my notebook,
> >> and no problem inventing simplified notations, I will go on
>
> >that's OK with me. I just wondered why you used the extended
>
> Because ç is, but Ç isn't needed for languages spoken in Switzerland.
> Façade, reçu, FACADE, RECU (would French writers be able to type
> FAÇADE and REÇU?)
OK.
>
> --
> Ruud Harmsen,http://rudhar.com
António Marques
> On Dec 2, 3:18 am, "PaulJK"<paul.kr...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>
>> I asked you what happens when you press Ctrl Esc. If you responded with
>> what actually happens it would provide me with some insight into your
>> "webstation"[sic] environment. But all you said was something
>> completely incomprehensible to me about some lights frantically
>> flashing.
>
> I told you what happened, damn it, but you did not read my reply, you
> read my maimed reply within in the reply posted by the junk alias of my
> stalker. I told you what happened when I press the Ctrl and Esc at the
> same time: the Start field shows three lines, each one lighting up for a
> fraction of a fraction of a second, alternating, Firexfox - Programs
> (autostart - empty) - Goodbye. A frenzy of blinking lights, I told you.
He did read your reply, he just didn't understand it, as no one else did.
I *think* the problem is he asked you what happened when you press Ctrl
(don't release it) and tapped Esc once (release it) while still holding
Ctrl. Instead you seem to be telling what happens when you press Ctrl and
then Esc but don't realease Esc - it repeatedly shows and hides the Start
Menu as fast as it can manage and that's the incomprehensible blinking you
mention. A hint: when somebody tells you to press Something + Whatnot, that
means:
1. Hold down Something
2. Tap Whatnot once only, while still holding Something
3. Release Something after you're finisshed with inputting Whatnot
I don't think we'll be able to determine just what OS is it that your
'webstations' use. If it's not windows, the better for them, but one would
have to know exactly what they are in order to suggest you other options
(e.g. in Gnome or something you can use Ctrl+Shift+number instead of the Alt
codes).
Franz Gnaedinger
>
> He did read your reply, he just didn't understand it, as no one else did.
> I *think* the problem is he asked you what happened when you press Ctrl
> (don't release it) and tapped Esc once (release it) while still holding
> Ctrl. Instead you seem to be telling what happens when you press Ctrl and
> then Esc but don't realease Esc - it repeatedly shows and hides the Start
> Menu as fast as it can manage and that's the incomprehensible blinking you
> mention. A hint: when somebody tells you to press Something + Whatnot, that
> means:
>
> 1. Hold down Something
> 2. Tap Whatnot once only, while still holding Something
> 3. Release Something after you're finisshed with inputting Whatnot
>
> I don't think we'll be able to determine just what OS is it that your
> 'webstations' use. If it's not windows, the better for them, but one would
> have to know exactly what they are in order to suggest you other options
> (e.g. in Gnome or something you can use Ctrl+Shift+number instead of the Alt
> codes).
Presently I am at the Internet corner of the main
station. When I do as you tell me, nothing happens.
And there is no shift button on the keyboard. None
of your previous advices worked, why should any
other advice work? The only help I ever got in
this long and absurd discussion was by Ruud
Harmsen who finally understood my problem and
told me how I can copy and paste, which is now
quite useful to me; thought I don't need it before,
but now it works fine and saves me a lot of work.
Yusuf, how do you call the ç in Turkish? French
cedille is an s or ss, façade pronounced fassade,
whereas the Turkish ç is pronounced ch, so it
is the same sign but denoting a different sound
and probably has a different name. And as long
as I can't type the upper case ç on my keyboards
here (I can at home, but not on public webstation),
what simplified version do you prefer:
Catal Höyük or Catal Hüyük
Chatal Höyük or Chatal Hüyük
çatal Höyük or çatal Höyük ???
Ruud Harmsen: show me how you type PIE
*kerdheha 'herd, series' correctly, with a tiny 'a'
instead of the regular 'a'. Then show me how you
type Isis in the phonetic version used for ancient
Egyptian, double tiny arc before st, above each
other, pronounced something like Ast.
António Marques
> On Dec 2, 6:12 pm, António Marques<antonio...@sapo.pt> wrote:
>>
>> He did read your reply, he just didn't understand it, as no one else
>> did. I *think* the problem is he asked you what happened when you press
>> Ctrl (don't release it) and tapped Esc once (release it) while still
>> holding Ctrl. Instead you seem to be telling what happens when you
>> press Ctrl and then Esc but don't realease Esc - it repeatedly shows
>> and hides the Start Menu as fast as it can manage and that's the
>> incomprehensible blinking you mention. A hint: when somebody tells you
>> to press Something + Whatnot, that means:
>>
>> 1. Hold down Something
>> 2. Tap Whatnot once only, while still holding Something
>> 3. Release Something after you're finisshed with inputting Whatnot
>>
>> I don't think we'll be able to determine just what OS is it that your
>> 'webstations' use. If it's not windows, the better for them, but one
>> would have to know exactly what they are in order to suggest you other
>> options (e.g. in Gnome or something you can use Ctrl+Shift+number
>> instead of the Alt codes).
>
> Presently I am at the Internet corner of the main station.
The 'internet corner of the main station'? What does that even mean? You
sound like someone out of some deservedly forgetten '50s movie.
> When I do as you tell me, nothing happens.
As I tell you? I haven't told you to do anything!
> And there is no shift button on the keyboard.
The keyboard has no shift key?? (Anyway, what did you want 'shift' for?)
> None of your previous advices worked, why should any other advice work?
What do you mean by 'advice'?
> The only help I ever got in this long and absurd discussion (...)
That you lash out at people who are just trying to help you is nothing
unexpected, as isn't that you're apparently unable to follow even the most
thorough of explanations. That's because you're a selfish pig. You're one of
those people who always press both the 'going up' and 'going down' buttons
to call elevators.
Ruud Harmsen
<fr...@bluemail.ch>: in sci.lang:
>Ruud Harmsen: show me how you type PIE
>*kerdheha 'herd, series' correctly, with a tiny 'a'
>instead of the regular 'a'. Then show me how you
>type Isis in the phonetic version used for ancient
>Egyptian, double tiny arc before st, above each
>other, pronounced something like Ast.
Use a website and Unicode. Anything can be done.
http://rudhar.com/sfreview/unigglen.htm
Athel Cornish-Bowden
I have a French keyboard (French French, not Swiss) and I have no
problem typing FA�ADE.
I can type �atal H�y�k just as easily.
--
athel
PaulJK
> Franz Gnaedinger wrote, on 02-12-2009 19:33:
>> On Dec 2, 6:12 pm, António Marques<antonio...@sapo.pt> wrote:
>>>
>>> He did read your reply, he just didn't understand it, as no one else
>>> did. I *think* the problem is he asked you what happened when you press
>>> Ctrl (don't release it) and tapped Esc once (release it) while still
>>> holding Ctrl. Instead you seem to be telling what happens when you
>>> press Ctrl and then Esc but don't realease Esc - it repeatedly shows
>>> and hides the Start Menu as fast as it can manage and that's the
>>> incomprehensible blinking you mention.
Oh, jeezwayne! Thanks António, it wouldn't even occur to me
that this is what he was probably doing.
>>> A hint: when somebody tells you
>>> to press Something + Whatnot, that means:
>>>
>>> 1. Hold down Something
>>> 2. Tap Whatnot once only, while still holding Something
>>> 3. Release Something after you're finisshed with inputting Whatnot
I remember the last time I had to explain this to somebody
(a young teenager who just bought her first computer) was in
the early/mid nineties.
>>> I don't think we'll be able to determine just what OS is it that your
>>> 'webstations' use. If it's not windows, the better for them, but one
>>> would have to know exactly what they are in order to suggest you other
>>> options (e.g. in Gnome or something you can use Ctrl+Shift+number
>>> instead of the Alt codes).
>>
>> Presently I am at the Internet corner of the main station.
>
> The 'internet corner of the main station'? What does that even mean? You
> sound like someone out of some deservedly forgetten '50s movie.
:-)
Hard Rock Cafe at the Internet Corner by the Grand Central
Station.
>> When I do as you tell me, nothing happens.
>
> As I tell you? I haven't told you to do anything!
>
>> And there is no shift button on the keyboard.
>
> The keyboard has no shift key?? (Anyway, what did you want 'shift' for?)
>
>> None of your previous advices worked, why should any other advice work?
>
> What do you mean by 'advice'?
>
>> The only help I ever got in this long and absurd discussion (...)
>
> That you lash out at people who are just trying to help you is nothing
> unexpected, as isn't that you're apparently unable to follow even the most
> thorough of explanations. That's because you're a selfish pig. You're one of
> those people who always press both the 'going up' and 'going down' buttons
> to call elevators.
Aaaah, yes, one of those people who for a while keep
pushing both buttons several times a second before taking
the stairs. They repeat this at several floors while complaining
bitterly about the lifts taking extra long time to come to
their floor. Eventually, when they get inside a lift they
get really upset when it takes them up for a long slow
trip instead to the ground floor where they wanted to go
in the first place.
pjk
PaulJK
> On Dec 2, 3:18 am, "PaulJK" <paul.kr...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>
>> I asked you what happens when you press Ctrl Esc.
>> If you responded with what actually happens it would
>> provide me with some insight into your "webstation"[sic]
>> environment. But all you said was something completely
>> incomprehensible to me about some lights frantically flashing.
>
> I told you what happened, damn it, but you did not read
Stop cursing or you'll go to bed with no dinner tonight!
So, it's just as well that you are so happy with the service
you get from your "internet corner webstations"[sic].
> My way of working bears fruit. Where is the fruit of your work?
> Nothing visible in sci.lang.
Well, that is not surprising at all, is it!
Should I accuse you of not reading my messages and
forcing me to repeat myself yet again that I am only
a diletante amateur linguist with some specific interest
in old indoeuropean languages with my tertiary education,
scientific and teaching work having been done in completely
unrelated fields of fine electronics engineering, theory of
information, applied mathematics, numerical methods,
cryptology, analogue modelling, and technical cybernetics.
pjk
PaulJK
> On 2009-12-02 12:16:45 +0100, Ruud Harmsen <r...@rudhar.eu> said:
>
>> Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:51:09 -0800 (PST): Yusuf B Gursey
>> <y...@theworld.com>: in sci.lang:
>>
>>>> I have no real problem, never a problem with my notebook,
>>>> and no problem inventing simplified notations, I will go on
>>>
>>> that's OK with me. I just wondered why you used the extended
>>
>> Because ç is, but Ç isn't needed for languages spoken in Switzerland.
>> Façade, reçu, FACADE, RECU (would French writers be able to type
>> FAÇADE and REÇU?)
>
> I have a French keyboard (French French, not Swiss) and I have no
>
> I can type Çatal Höyük just as easily.
I have a US Compaq keyboard and I have no problem
to type Ç and ç either. :-)
Of course, I cheat a little bit, I get a little help from
a piece of software called AllChars.
It's a downloadable freeware which installs itself between
the keyboard and rest of the programs.
To type ç and Ç I have to type Ctrl , c and Ctrl , C
(Ctrl is typed and released, not held)
pjk
Ruud Harmsen
in sci.lang:
>> Presently I am at the Internet corner of the main station.
>
>The 'internet corner of the main station'? What does that even mean? You
>sound like someone out of some deservedly forgetten '50s movie.
Makes perfect sense to me. Some corner of the station hall, where
there are internet facilities.
>> None of your previous advices worked, why should any other advice work?
>
>What do you mean by 'advice'?
Recommendations? Not a good English word? I think it is.
Franz Gnaedinger
>
> That you lash out at people who are just trying to help you is nothing
> unexpected, as isn't that you're apparently unable to follow even the most
> thorough of explanations. That's because you're a selfish pig. You're one of
> those people who always press both the 'going up' and 'going down' buttons
> to call elevators.
You are covering me in ad hominems while your
advice is plain worthless. None of your combinations
works on the public webstations I use, neither in the
libraries, nor in the Internet corner (not café) of the main
train station. Are we here playing a new version of the
kabbala game, instead of combining letters until we
find the w o r d God used in creating the world
combining buttons on the PC keybord until God's
w o r d appears on the screen?
Ruud Harmsen: you don't have to tell me how to do it,
first I want to see you doing it, rendering *kerdheha and
tiny-double-arc st for Isis in the correct forms and letting
me see the result online, here, in a message of this thread.
To the others: I can't install the French keybord on the
public webstations, I can't unblock the blocked programs
and deactivated possibilities, and I certainly won't hack
the webstations of the Federal Technical Institute for
getting at a blocked program.
Richard Herring
<r...@rudhar.eu> writes
>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 01:38:58 -0800 (PST): Yusuf B Gursey
><ybgu...@yahoo.com>: in sci.lang:
>
>>Windows comes with WordPad, /
>
>Right. It's much more powerful than Notepad.
>
>
>Write is a much older program, from the Windows 3.10 and 3.11 era.
>
>>documents, but saves them in .rtf (Rich Text Format) form.
>
>It does. But it handles only simple Word files, e.g. tables in Word
>are not supported.
>(Or maybe that was only in WinMe? Did I test that in Vista too? Can;t
>remember.)
A more dangerous omission is that Wordpad (at least some versions)
silently ignores footnotes, so you don't get any indication that they
were ever there.
--
Richard Herring
Richard Herring
<aa10dd29-2027-4ad2...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
Franz Gnaedinger <fr...@bluemail.ch> writes
>On Nov 27, 7:07�pm, Ruud Harmsen <r...@rudhar.eu> wrote:
>>
>> I can imagine that, yes, it seems likely that system managers block
>> that somehow.
>>
>> Why not? It works! Windows has been multi-tasking since W3.10 in or
>> around 1993.
>
>So I will try it once, but there is always the problem
>of expiring time, then your message is lost. I rather
>use my time for composing and correcting a post.
>And as for the link to a table Richard Herring
>posted: I found no signs on this table, just codes,
>U+1111 and such.
You didn't take the trouble to move your eyes right to the next column
of the table, confusingly headed "character", which shows the ACTUAL
CHARACTERS?
> Why should I copy and paste
>such codes?
Don't. Copy and paste the actual characters from the column headed
"character".
And before you ask, if you can't find the characters you want, there's a
selector near the top of the page labelled "go to other block", where
you can choose from some more tables. Your Turkish letters are probably
in Latin Extended-A.
--
Richard Herring
Ruud Harmsen
<fr...@bluemail.ch>: in sci.lang:
>On Dec 2, 8:57 pm, Ant�nio Marques <antonio...@sapo.pt> wrote:
>>
>> That you lash out at people who are just trying to help you is nothing
>> unexpected, as isn't that you're apparently unable to follow even the most
>> thorough of explanations. That's because you're a selfish pig. You're one of
>> those people who always press both the 'going up' and 'going down' buttons
>> to call elevators.
>
>You are covering me in ad hominems while your
>advice is plain worthless. None of your combinations
>works on the public webstations I use, neither in the
>libraries, nor in the Internet corner (not caf�) of the main
>train station. Are we here playing a new version of the
>kabbala game, instead of combining letters until we
>find the w o r d God used in creating the world
>combining buttons on the PC keybord until God's
> w o r d appears on the screen?
>
>Ruud Harmsen: you don't have to tell me how to do it,
>first I want to see you doing it, rendering *kerdheha and
If I am to go by http://tinyurl.com/yko2tzu it has a subscript a at
the end, which in HTML be rendered by <sub>a</ub>
>tiny-double-arc st for Isis in the correct forms
I'd have to see what you mean first. Nothing here:
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis_(godin)
>nd letting
>me see the result online, here, in a message of this thread.
I can't, Agent 0.93 is too old for that and I don't like the user
interface of other programs.
Franz Gnaedinger
> I can't, Agent 0.93 is too old for that and I don't like the user
> interface of other programs.
Aha, you can do anything, but when you are asked
to actually do it you can't. Here is the capital cedille
I finally got from far down on the table Richard Herring posted: Ç
When I write I wish my signs handy, I don't
like to have to remember a website with a more or less
complicated URL and then search for the sign and
copy and paste it, I wish for a direct access to a sign
I need. New versions of browsers should inculde a table
of signs you can download if needed, and this table
should be accomplished by several companies
working together.
johnk
That's not the job of a web browser and it's was only necessary for
YOU to download a table because you are too ignorant to figure a
computer out or to let people even know what kind of computer you were
using so they could help you.
Ruud Harmsen
<fr...@bluemail.ch>: in sci.lang:
>On Dec 3, 3:51 pm, Ruud Harmsen <r...@rudhar.eu> wrote:
>
>> I can't, Agent 0.93 is too old for that and I don't like the user
>> interface of other programs.
>
>Aha, you can do anything, but when you are asked
>to actually do it you can't.
I said I could it in HTML. Moreover, it can also be done in a modern
enough Usenet interface program, including Google's.
>ere is the capital cedille
>I finally got from far down on the table Richard Herring posted: �
>When I write I wish my signs handy, I don't
>like to have to remember a website with a more or less
>complicated URL and then search for the sign and
>copy and paste it, I wish for a direct access to a sign
>I need.
Typing ' followed by C on a computer under your full control and
posting text using a cheap ADSL or cable internet connexion, isn't
complicated and doesn't require remembering URL.
That you don't want to use such a connexion because of unwarranted
fear of non-existent danger, isn't my problem.
New versions of browsers should inculde a table
>of signs you can download if needed, and this table
>should be accomplished by several companies
>working together.
--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com
Christopher Culver
> Typing ' followed by C on a computer under your full control and
> posting text using a cheap ADSL or cable internet connexion, isn't
> complicated and doesn't require remembering URL.
>
> That you don't want to use such a connexion because of unwarranted
> fear of non-existent danger, isn't my problem.
I've always suspected that Franz is writing from some kind of mental
institution, not the simple public library he claims, and therefore
buying his own computer might not be possible.
Franz Gnaedinger
wrote:
>
> I've always suspected that Franz is writing from some kind of mental
> institution, not the simple public library he claims, and therefore
> buying his own computer might not be possible.
Desolation row, home of Einstein, "famous long
ago for playing the electric violin" ? No, ETH Zürich,
where Einstein was teaching as a young ordinarius.
First he submitted his doctoral thesis to the university
of Zurich, but they rejected it for being too short.
Einstein added 1 (one) sentence, submitted it again,
and it was accepted without any further objection.
Then he taught for a while at the ETH. He had only
a few pupils, though, hardly anybody could follow
that crazy guy.
Ruud Harmsen: they are developing new computers
that work without stored programs. You need a program?
Download it from the Web. So this new computer is
basically a browser. Why can't they begin with a modest
version, a browser that allows me to download a table
of signs? And too many signs can't be used anyway,
otherwise the messages in sci.math were peppered
with mathematical symbols, but they are not, people
are creative inventing simplified notations. Yusuf didn't
answer my question regarding the simplified version
of Xxxxx Höyük, so I concluded by myself to write it as
Chatal Höyük from now on, while I have no problem
writing the correct version on my hp at home. And
herewith I declare this long and silly discussion
being over.
Brian M. Scott
<john...@bigpond.com> wrote in
<news:nPMQm.58944$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au> in
sci.lang:
> Yusuf B Gursey wrote:
[...]
>> it seems my computer had both and I put in "write".
>> thanks. I will now use "WordPad" until I get around to
>> installing Microsoft Word
> Save yourself a little money and download Open Office
> instead. It's very similar to Microsoft Office
> (including Word of course), better in many respects, and
> it's free. You can save your documents in *.doc format
> to send off so other people can read them.
I heartily agree. In particular, for those who need to
write mathematics but don't need the resources of (La)TeX,
the OO.o math editor is much handier than MS Word's.
[...]
> I use gedit for writing HTML source code -- it's excellent
> for that.
I just started using Linux (Ubuntu 9.10) on one of my
notebooks, and so far I quite like gedit as a general
purpose text editor.
Brian
DKleinecke
> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:07:15 GMT, John Atkinson
I use gedit constantly for general text editing and it works quite
well. Most of what I do involves removing superfluous material from
other people's presentations and rearranging the text.
It is a feature of gedit (not a bug) that it only uses one font. You
can change the font for a document, but not within the document. That
includes decorations too - you cannot change colors, underline, strike-
through, use bold or italic nor change size. The program knows all
about colors and will do syntax coloring in numerous programming
languages - but the user cannot get at the colors. Gedit clearly was
designed as a programmer's editor rather than a text editor.
The end result is nice and neat and rather monotonous. I like to
emphasize passages and indicate structure overtly and I have very few
tools to work with. I am getting quite good at using paragraph breaks
and indentations to make things stand out. I even use some of the
standard ASCII letters - @, & and such like - as dingbats.
There seems to be nothing in the Unix tradition comparable to Wordpad.
I have thought about writing the tool I want but I haven't had enough
spare time recently.
John Atkinson
Windows that I know of.
When I updated to 9.10 a month ago, my Ubuntu stopped playing sound. So
far I haven't worked out why this happened and how to fix it. A bit of
a hassle, since it means I have to switch to Windows whenever I want to
listen to a podcast or video.
BTW Brian, is there an easy way (like the US International keyboard in
Windows) for typing the non-English characters in European languages in
Ubuntu?
John.
Brian M. Scott
<john...@bigpond.com> wrote in
<news:tplSm.60315$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au> in
sci.lang:
[...]
> BTW Brian, is there an easy way (like the US International
> keyboard in Windows) for typing the non-English
> characters in European languages in Ubuntu?
I just use the Compose key, which I've set to be the Menu
key, since I'm used to using the left Ctrl key with the
Windows AllChars program.
<https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ComposeKey>
And I just discovered
<http://torgo-x.livejournal.com/929822.html>, which may also
be useful.
Brian
Ruud Harmsen
<fr...@bluemail.ch>: in sci.lang:
>Ruud Harmsen: they are developing new computers
>that work without stored programs. You need a program?
Yes, I know. It's sometimes called (what was it again?) ... SaaS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_as_a_service , or SOA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_Oriented_Architecture , or
something else I forgot about.
>Download it from the Web.
Download and install a program is exactly the opposite of that model.
The idea is that the programs run on central servers and also store
data there. Kind of a big Open Office on Linux, that you access
through a laptop or netbook, which itself does not need to have
storage facilities.
Gmail is an example of this for e-mail.
>So this new computer is basically a browser. Why
>can't they begin with a modest version, a browser
>that allows me to download a table of signs? And
Because such a table is clumsy. Keyboard layouts are easier.
Oh, by the way, I never thought of mentioning it although I have been
offering it for years already: my Unicode font tester can also be used
for copy & paste, so in a way can server as the table you want:
http://rudhar.com/cgi-bin/shunicod.cgi
With the default settings, it displays � at ..., no it doesn't, you
need to enter a starting point of 0080 for that. � is at 00c7 and � at
00e7, ready to copy and then paste elsewhere. Testing: �, yes it
works.
It's flexible, it can also be used for Chinese etc. by entering the
appropriate starting value, that can be found here:
http://rudhar.com/lingtics/uniclnks.htm
Ruud Harmsen
<fr...@bluemail.ch>: in sci.lang:
>Ruud Harmsen: they are developing new computers
>that work without stored programs. You need a program?
>Download it from the Web. So this new computer is
>basically a browser. Why can't they begin with a modest
>version, a browser that allows me to download a table
>of signs?
In addition to the flexible table I just mentioned, others already
pointed to tables as avaible on the web. You can copy and paste from
them. With tabs, a facility that all modern browser programs offer,
you can copy from one tab and paste into an input of another tab.
>are creative inventing simplified notations. Yusuf didn't
>answer my question regarding the simplified version
>of Xxxxx H�y�k, so I concluded by myself to write it as
>Chatal H�y�k from now on,
I can't remember ever having seen that convention used in Turkish
texts. (But I don't often look at Turkish texts because I can't read
the language.)
Wikipedia, BTW, is also a rich source for copy&paste:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/�atalh�y�k
(strange, the Dutch Wikipedia calls it H�y�k instead. Why?
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/�atal_H�y�k
>while I have no problem
>writing the correct version on my hp at home.
Take ADSL and all your problems are over.
>And
>herewith I declare this long and silly discussion
>being over.
I don't, it's just beginning and it's not up to you.
Franz Gnaedinger
>
> Yes, I know. It's sometimes called (what was it again?) ... >SaaShttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_as_a_service, or >SOAhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_Oriented_Architecture, or
> something else I forgot about.
>
> The idea is that the programs run on central servers and also store
> data there. Kind of a big Open Office on Linux, that you access
> through a laptop or netbook, which itself does not need to have
> storage facilities.
>
> Gmail is an example of this for e-mail.
>
>
> Oh, by the way, I never thought of mentioning it although I have been
> offering it for years already: my Unicode font tester can also be used
> for copy & paste, so in a way can server as the table you want:
>
> http://rudhar.com/cgi-bin/shunicod.cgi
>
> need to enter a starting point of 0080 for that. Ç is at 00c7 and ç at
> 00e7, ready to copy and then paste elsewhere. Testing: Ç, yes it
> works.
>
> It's flexible, it can also be used for Chinese etc. by entering the
> appropriate starting value, that can be found here:
>
> http://rudhar.com/lingtics/uniclnks.htm
Let me see if it works. I don't understand default
and all those things. I don't have to be an engineer
in order to drive a car, and I don't have to be a pilot
in order to go on a plane, and I don't have to be an
informatician to write a message. I wish to have the
things I need ready and handy. I copied a part of
your table, now comes the pasting:
Š 0170 Ű
0101 ā 0111 đ 0121 ġ 0131 ı 0141 Ł 0151 ő 0161 š
For a friend of mine I need information on the Babylonian
and Akkadian sun god Shamash. Now I can write it correctly.
I paste again and pick out the capital S and the lower s with
a bird on each letter and give the name in correct form:
Š 0170 Ű
0101 ā 0111 đ 0121 ġ 0131 ı 0141 Ł 0151 ő 0161 š
Š š
Šamaš
It works, but is rather complicated. When I write I wish
to focus my brainpower on the ideas I convey, and not
on typographical problems. And when I have to copy
and paste I don't go to a Unicode table but google for
catal hoyuk or catal huyuk or samas or shamash
or any other word and pick up the correct version
form a page on the topic. Chatal Höyük is a frequent
spelling in German books, and in English books I find
also Catal Höyük, so I can use both variants. As for
Gmail: how is the writing field? does it allow to pick
up special signs from an intern table, such as the one
in Word? or do you have to do the rather clumsy copy
and paste thing via a Web page also in Gmail?
Ruud Harmsen
<fr...@bluemail.ch>: in sci.lang:
>As for
>Gmail: how is the writing field? does it allow to pick
>up special signs from an intern table, such as the one
>in Word?
Of course. Gmail is accessed via any browser, a browser is a Windows
program, so is Word, and copy-paste works within any Windows program,
between tabs or MDI-windows within any Windows program, but also
between different Windows programs.
>or do you have to do the rather clumsy copy
>and paste thing via a Web page also in Gmail?
As I said, you can copy in one tab of a browser (say one that has a
table of characters in it) and paste it in another tab, that may have
Gmail open.
Switching between tabs in a browser can be done by ctrl-PageUp and
ctrl-PageDown. I find those rather strange combinations, ctrl-F6 and
ctrl-shift-F6 would have been more logical. Opera is the only one that
does support that.