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Yusuf B Gursey
May 8, 2013, 1:51:28 PM5/8/13
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On May 8, 6:04 am, SolomonW <Solom...@citi.com> wrote:
for those with a subscription:
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/05/01/1218726110.full.pdf+html?sid=6c494dce-9df9-4571-aa14-44ead7281098
> Without reading the paper, I confess that I do not know what to make of
> these comments.
>
> I know some French and "I", "you", "we", "man" and "bark," seem quite
> different to me from French and English, but you decide.
>
> http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/common-words-foun...
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> OUR Ice Age ancestors in Europe, 15,000 years ago, may have used words we
> would recognise today, according to a new study in a US journal.
>
> Words that sound alike in related languages are generally assumed to have
> come from a common route, like "father" in English and "pater" in Latin.
>
> Lead author Mark Pagel, an evolutionary biologist at the University of
> Reading in Britain, and his team were able to take the analysis a step
> further, by showing that certain very commonly used words, like pronouns,
> are more likely to stay the same over the millennia.
>
> "We discovered numerals, pronouns and special adverbs are replaced far more
> slowly, with linguistic half-lives of once every 10,000 or even more
> years," Mr Pagel said.
>
> In other words, everyday words like "I", "you", "we", "man" and "bark,"
> have, in certain languages, the same meaning and nearly the same sound as
> they did thousands of years ago.
>
> Their analysis suggests that at least seven major language families in
> Eurasia all descended from a common ancestor language.
for those with a subscription:
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/05/01/1218726110.full.pdf+html?sid=6c494dce-9df9-4571-aa14-44ead7281098
> Without reading the paper, I confess that I do not know what to make of
> these comments.
>
> I know some French and "I", "you", "we", "man" and "bark," seem quite
> different to me from French and English, but you decide.
>
> http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/common-words-foun...
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> OUR Ice Age ancestors in Europe, 15,000 years ago, may have used words we
> would recognise today, according to a new study in a US journal.
>
> Words that sound alike in related languages are generally assumed to have
> come from a common route, like "father" in English and "pater" in Latin.
>
> Lead author Mark Pagel, an evolutionary biologist at the University of
> Reading in Britain, and his team were able to take the analysis a step
> further, by showing that certain very commonly used words, like pronouns,
> are more likely to stay the same over the millennia.
>
> "We discovered numerals, pronouns and special adverbs are replaced far more
> slowly, with linguistic half-lives of once every 10,000 or even more
> years," Mr Pagel said.
>
> In other words, everyday words like "I", "you", "we", "man" and "bark,"
> have, in certain languages, the same meaning and nearly the same sound as
> they did thousands of years ago.
>
> Their analysis suggests that at least seven major language families in
> Eurasia all descended from a common ancestor language.
Peter T. Daniels
May 8, 2013, 2:32:27 PM5/8/13
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On May 8, 1:51 pm, Yusuf B Gursey <ygur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 8, 6:04 am, SolomonW <Solom...@citi.com> wrote:
>
> for those with a subscription:
>
> http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/05/01/1218726110.full.pdf+html...
> On May 8, 6:04 am, SolomonW <Solom...@citi.com> wrote:
>
> for those with a subscription:
>
>
> > Without reading the paper, I confess that I do not know what to make of
> > these comments.
>
> > I know some French and "I", "you", "we", "man" and "bark," seem quite
> > different to me from French and English, but you decide.
>
> >http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/common-words-foun...
>
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > OUR Ice Age ancestors in Europe, 15,000 years ago, may have used words we
> > would recognise today, according to a new study in a US journal.
>
> > Words that sound alike in related languages are generally assumed to have
> > come from a common route, like "father" in English and "pater" in Latin.
>
> > Lead author Mark Pagel, an evolutionary biologist at the University of
> > Reading in Britain, and his team were able to take the analysis a step
> > further, by showing that certain very commonly used words, like pronouns,
> > are more likely to stay the same over the millennia.
>
> > "We discovered numerals, pronouns and special adverbs are replaced far more
> > slowly, with linguistic half-lives of once every 10,000 or even more
> > years," Mr Pagel said.
>
> > In other words, everyday words like "I", "you", "we", "man" and "bark,"
> > have, in certain languages, the same meaning and nearly the same sound as
> > they did thousands of years ago.
>
> > Their analysis suggests that at least seven major language families in
> > Eurasia all descended from a common ancestor language.
See Ross's comment on analyst41's citation of essentially the same
> > Without reading the paper, I confess that I do not know what to make of
> > these comments.
>
> > I know some French and "I", "you", "we", "man" and "bark," seem quite
> > different to me from French and English, but you decide.
>
> >http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/common-words-foun...
>
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > OUR Ice Age ancestors in Europe, 15,000 years ago, may have used words we
> > would recognise today, according to a new study in a US journal.
>
> > Words that sound alike in related languages are generally assumed to have
> > come from a common route, like "father" in English and "pater" in Latin.
>
> > Lead author Mark Pagel, an evolutionary biologist at the University of
> > Reading in Britain, and his team were able to take the analysis a step
> > further, by showing that certain very commonly used words, like pronouns,
> > are more likely to stay the same over the millennia.
>
> > "We discovered numerals, pronouns and special adverbs are replaced far more
> > slowly, with linguistic half-lives of once every 10,000 or even more
> > years," Mr Pagel said.
>
> > In other words, everyday words like "I", "you", "we", "man" and "bark,"
> > have, in certain languages, the same meaning and nearly the same sound as
> > they did thousands of years ago.
>
> > Their analysis suggests that at least seven major language families in
> > Eurasia all descended from a common ancestor language.
story in a different newspaper. You're quoting a press release
concerning studies of highly dubious value.
Yusuf B Gursey
May 8, 2013, 4:56:33 PM5/8/13
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On May 8, 2:32 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On May 8, 1:51 pm, Yusuf B Gursey <ygur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
Peter, I agree with you.
> On May 8, 1:51 pm, Yusuf B Gursey <ygur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
benl...@ihug.co.nz
May 8, 2013, 6:18:02 PM5/8/13
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paper.
Yusuf B Gursey
May 8, 2013, 7:29:44 PM5/8/13
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basically its the Eurasiatic theory, as stated in the paper.
> http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/05/01/1218726110.full.pdf+html...
> http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/05/01/1218726110.full.pdf+html...
Peter T. Daniels
May 10, 2013, 7:33:42 AM5/10/13
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much like an American, despite being at Reading. Well, so was Larry
Trask.) He talked about things that "every linguist knows," such as
why the Kartvelian form of "thou" sounds totally different from all
the others in his list ("regular sound change"). He admitted that
"spit" is on his list because of onomatopoeia. (And was it there or in
the press release that he explained how important "(tree) bark" was to
the ancestral community?)
anal...@hotmail.com
May 11, 2013, 11:40:52 AM5/11/13
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On May 8, 1:51 pm, Yusuf B Gursey <ygur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/05/01/1218726110.full.pdf+html...
>
>
>
> > Without reading the paper, I confess that I do not know what to make of
> > these comments.
>
> > I know some French and "I", "you", "we", "man" and "bark," seem quite
> > different to me from French and English, but you decide.
>
> >http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/common-words-foun...
>
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > OUR Ice Age ancestors in Europe, 15,000 years ago, may have used words we
> > would recognise today, according to a new study in a US journal.
>
> > Words that sound alike in related languages are generally assumed to have
> > come from a common route, like "father" in English and "pater" in Latin.
>
> > Lead author Mark Pagel, an evolutionary biologist at the University of
> > Reading in Britain, and his team were able to take the analysis a step
> > further, by showing that certain very commonly used words, like pronouns,
> > are more likely to stay the same over the millennia.
>
> > "We discovered numerals, pronouns and special adverbs are replaced far more
> > slowly, with linguistic half-lives of once every 10,000 or even more
> > years," Mr Pagel said.
>
> > In other words, everyday words like "I", "you", "we", "man" and "bark,"
> > have, in certain languages, the same meaning and nearly the same sound as
> > they did thousands of years ago.
>
> > Their analysis suggests that at least seven major language families in
> > Eurasia all descended from a common ancestor language.- Hide quoted text -
>
>
> > Without reading the paper, I confess that I do not know what to make of
> > these comments.
>
> > I know some French and "I", "you", "we", "man" and "bark," seem quite
> > different to me from French and English, but you decide.
>
> >http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/common-words-foun...
>
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > OUR Ice Age ancestors in Europe, 15,000 years ago, may have used words we
> > would recognise today, according to a new study in a US journal.
>
> > Words that sound alike in related languages are generally assumed to have
> > come from a common route, like "father" in English and "pater" in Latin.
>
> > Lead author Mark Pagel, an evolutionary biologist at the University of
> > Reading in Britain, and his team were able to take the analysis a step
> > further, by showing that certain very commonly used words, like pronouns,
> > are more likely to stay the same over the millennia.
>
> > "We discovered numerals, pronouns and special adverbs are replaced far more
> > slowly, with linguistic half-lives of once every 10,000 or even more
> > years," Mr Pagel said.
>
> > In other words, everyday words like "I", "you", "we", "man" and "bark,"
> > have, in certain languages, the same meaning and nearly the same sound as
> > they did thousands of years ago.
>
> > Their analysis suggests that at least seven major language families in
>
> - Show quoted text -
This is basically sound research, a refreshing break from excruciating
sound algebra.
Do you have anything to say about the words that came out to be "ultra-
preserved"?
Thou
I
Not
That
We
To give
Who
This
What
Man/Male
Ye
Old
Mother
To hear
Hand
Fire
To pull
Black
To flow
Bark
Ashes
To spit
Worm
Arnaud Fournet
May 11, 2013, 12:24:36 PM5/11/13
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Le samedi 11 mai 2013 17:40:52 UTC+2, anal...@hotmail.com a écrit :
> On May 8, 1:51 pm, Yusuf B Gursey <ygur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Thou
> On May 8, 1:51 pm, Yusuf B Gursey <ygur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I
>
***
These two pronouns are often interfering with and suffixed to pronouns this, that.
Hence not stable.
Besides these pronouns often have several grammatical forms.
The fetishism linked with P1 and P2 is just stupid.
A.
***
> Not
***
Can't see the purpose of this morpheme
A.
***
>
> That
>
> We
>
> To give
>
> Who
>
> This
This and that are often linked with copula "to be".
A.
***
>
> What
>
> Man/Male
>
> Ye
>
> Old
>
> Mother
>
> To hear
>
> Hand
Often undistinguished from arm.
A.
***
>
> Fire
***
should be studied with verb "to burn"
A.
***
>
> To pull
>
> Black
>
> To flow
should be studied with word "water".
A.
***
>
> Bark
***
Should be studied with words "crust" and "skin".
A.
***
> Ashes
>
> To spit
>
> Worm
***
These last two words have little interest.
a.
Franz Gnaedinger
May 12, 2013, 5:11:52 AM5/12/13
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On May 11, 5:40 pm, "analys...@hotmail.com" <analys...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Thanks for the word list, I shall comment on it later,
just now being buzzy with my Venus formula in the
Magdalenian thread. The next series will be on these
words. I heard Pagel on the radio, he is very pleased,
even moved, that the 23 oldest words he distilled
indicate cooperation in early times, I you we ...
wrote:
just now being buzzy with my Venus formula in the
Magdalenian thread. The next series will be on these
words. I heard Pagel on the radio, he is very pleased,
even moved, that the 23 oldest words he distilled
indicate cooperation in early times, I you we ...
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