Le mercredi 18 septembre 2019 02:14:03 UTC+2, skpf...@gmail.com
a écrit :
> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 4:27:49 PM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
> > I've written something on Academia and I dare think it might be of some interest:
> > as regards the kinship suffix -(H)ter, there's an interesting word in Hurrian, which -as you probably remember- I consider is an Indo-European language.
> > The word is pedari, pidari "bull". A possible proto-form is *p(e)H1-d(h)r- and further comparanda (like Arabic fih.l "stallion") suggests that the root has something to do with male procreation. Alternation between e /i is consistent with *eH1 / (zero-grade) *H1
> > My guess about all these kinship words, pater, mater, bhrater, etc is that several of them originally applied to animals: pater = the one who f*ks, mater = the one who breastfeeds, bhrater = one of the batch, etc.
> > Now, there's a little hitch because Hurrian is consistent with *H1 while pater, according to Greek, tends to bar this laryngeal, unless we admit that (1) either Greek <a> can stand for *H1 between stops or (2) some intense leveling occurred in that group of words. I don't know if we have other cases of zero-grade laryngeals between stops in Greek. (Help anyone?)
> > So it's possible Post-Anatolian created a whole set of words starting from a few existing words like *dhugHter and *peH1-d(h)r-.
> > Anyway, we already have truly PIE words:
> > *atta- "father"
> > *awo- "father's father, father's brother"
> > *nara "mother', also diminutive *nana
> > *sw(e)Hn- "son", "brother" in Hurrian sen(n)i.
> > According to Hurrian H is *H1.
> > The kinship -(H)ter words are clearly a specific creation of the Post-Anatolian branch.
> > Note that *dhug- has a comparandum in Hatti= tuh
> > And as a last word, I will repeat that we can't keep on having a fancy "Indo-European" word that does not have a clear perimeter and a fraudulent Improved-Proto-Sanskrit model, that is supposed to represent PIE but obviously does not.
> > Now, of course, we can also stick to a fancy ball-and-cups trick and a fraudulent model, that screws all attempts at external comparison... but it'll be "we" without me.
> nobody takes you seriously, since you have a horse in the race (Anatolian).
> Anatolian does not have IE words for the most basic kinship terms.
The issue is that these Hter kinship words are *not* Indo-European, as shown by their near complete absence in Anatolian.