Quick Latin Translation

[M Storm]

Would someone be able to tell me the correct latin for the old saying "The
enemy of my enemy is my friend"

Thanks,

M. Storm

[schops]

How negative ... I prefer "les amis de mes amis sont mes amis" or "homo
hominis lupus" in a down moment

[Alejandro Pareja]

M Storm <mst...@bigpond.net.au> escribió en el mensaje de noticias
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Inimicus inimicis amicus est.

[I like to back up my Latin opinions with a classical example, but in this
case the closest I found was a line from Valerius Maximus, book VI:

ne quis rei publicae inimicis amicus esse uellet

which means (I think) "lest somebody should want to be a friend of the
enemies of the State".]

A.P.

[Alan Crozier]

Alejandro Pareja wrote in message <8hl9tp$2nn...@SGI3651ef0.iddeo.es>...

>
>M Storm <mst...@bigpond.net.au> escribió en el mensaje de noticias
>9zm%4.77$iJ6...@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> Would someone be able to tell me the correct latin for the old saying
"The
>> enemy of my enemy is my friend"
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> M. Storm
>
>Inimicus inimicis amicus est.

Shouldn't it be Inimicus inimici ...?

Alan Crozier
Lund, Sweden

[M Storm]

Thanks guys greatly appreciated :-)

"Alan Crozier" <alan.c...@telia.com> wrote in message
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[Alejandro Pareja]

Alan Crozier <alan.c...@telia.com> escribió en el mensaje de noticias

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> Alejandro Pareja wrote in message <8hl9tp$2nn...@SGI3651ef0.iddeo.es>...
> >
> >M Storm <mst...@bigpond.net.au> escribió en el mensaje de noticias
> >9zm%4.77$iJ6...@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >> Would someone be able to tell me the correct latin for the old saying
> "The
> >> enemy of my enemy is my friend"
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> M. Storm
> >
> >Inimicus inimicis amicus est.
>
>
> Shouldn't it be Inimicus inimici ...?
>
> Alan Crozier
> Lund, Sweden

Well, yes; I was thinking of "the enemy of my enemies". But "my enemy" in a
general way is much the same as "my enemies", is't it? I should also note I
introduced an intentional ambiguity in my original "Inimicus inimicis amicus
est": [I think] it can mean equally "my friend is the enemy of my enemies"
and "my enemy is the enemy of my friends.

A.P.

[Alejandro Pareja]

ç>

> Well, yes; I was thinking of "the enemy of my enemies". But "my enemy" in
a
> general way is much the same as "my enemies", is't it? I should also note
I
> introduced an intentional ambiguity in my original "Inimicus inimicis
amicus
> est": [I think] it can mean equally "my friend is the enemy of my enemies"
> and "my enemy is the enemy of my friends.

Sorry, let me get this straight

Inimicus inimicis amicus est can mean

The enemy of my enemies is my friend

and

The friend of my enemies is my enemy.

A.P.

[John Woodgate]

<9zm%4.77$iJ6...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, M Storm

<mst...@bigpond.net.au> inimitably wrote:
>Would someone be able to tell me the correct latin for the old saying "The
>enemy of my enemy is my friend"
>

Hostis hosti mei amicus meus [est]. 'Est' is optional.
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[Phil Dragoman]

M Storm wrote in message <9zm%4.77$iJ6...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...

>Would someone be able to tell me the correct latin for the old saying "The
>enemy of my enemy is my friend"
>

There are two words in Latin for enemy. "Hostis" designates a public
enemy, and "inimicus" a personal one.

If you mean yourself, you could say:
Inimicus mei inimici meus amicus est.

If you mean an enemy of your country:
hostis mei hostis meus amicus [socius] est.

I suppose that consistency suggests 'socius', 'ally', to be contrasted
with 'hostis', but this is not obligatory, as one says "amicus reipublicae",
a friend of the state.

Regards,
Phil

[schops]

just a general remark : I don't believe in Latin as a language for
translators ... as an ACTIVE language... very much like flogging a dead
horse. However, if there are any quotations to be made from the language as
it is documented, fine with me or even rather stimulating.

[John Woodgate]

<8hlqgq$2p0...@SGI3651ef0.iddeo.es>, Alejandro Pareja

<alejanr...@retemail.es> inimitably wrote:
>Well, yes; I was thinking of "the enemy of my enemies". But "my enemy" in a
>general way is much the same as "my enemies", is't it?

Except that the genitive plural of 'inimicus' is 'inimcorum'

[Alan Crozier]

Alejandro Pareja wrote in message <8hlqvm$2ng...@SGI3651ef0.iddeo.es>...
>
>
>ç>

>> Well, yes; I was thinking of "the enemy of my enemies".

>Inimicus inimicis amicus est can mean
>
>The enemy of my enemies is my friend
>

OK, so you want a plural form. Why not the genitive inimicorum then?

Alan
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Alan Crozier
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[Alejandro Pareja]

Alan Crozier <alan.c...@telia.com> escribió en el mensaje de noticias

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> Alejandro Pareja wrote in message <8hlqvm$2ng...@SGI3651ef0.iddeo.es>...
> >
> >
> >ç>
> >> Well, yes; I was thinking of "the enemy of my enemies".
> >Inimicus inimicis amicus est can mean
> >
> >The enemy of my enemies is my friend
> >
>
> OK, so you want a plural form. Why not the genitive inimicorum then?

Gens inimica mihi Thyrrenum navigat aequor

(Virgilius)

Clodius inimicus est nobis

(Cicero)

A.P.

[Alan Crozier]

Alejandro Pareja wrote in message <8hnd5b$2pi...@SGI3651ef0.iddeo.es>...

>
>Gens inimica mihi Thyrrenum navigat aequor
>
>(Virgilius)
>
> Clodius inimicus est nobis
>
>(Cicero)
>

Touché!

[Phil Dragoman]

schops wrote in message <8hmd0e$sh2$1...@spectra.a2000.nl>...

Cf. Plautus, Hippomastizontes,

Nec caballum flagellandum uti mortuum,
nefas trusandum et in naribus vivum

As a dead horse is not to be whipped,
nor a live one driven to exhaustion.

Regards,
Phil

[John Woodgate]

<DPR%4.835$ov1....@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Phil Dragoman

Dogging a fled horse can be pretty futile, too.(;-)

[schops]

Potjeslatijn, that's called in Dutch ... nothing to do with dykes, though.

[J. W. Love]

<<Except that the genitive plural of 'inimicus' is 'inimcorum'>>

Almost!

But the original 'enemy' is singular: <mei inimici inimicus meus amicus>.

Cheers. Jacob.

Non omni tempore sensus adest.

[James Lee]

Oh dear.

James Lee

schops wrote in message <8hp868$rku$1...@spectra.a2000.nl>...

[schops]

just trying to prevent a lot of "gay"-ety around the house

[Phil Dragoman]

schops wrote in message <8hp868$rku$1...@spectra.a2000.nl>...
>Potjeslatijn, that's called in Dutch ... nothing to do with dykes, though.
>

Potjeslatijn? Gans niet. Je kent niet een dactylus van een kretik van
een bacchius! Dat is zeer goed latijn, je kan me geloven. Maar je
hebt enigermate gelijk - het is ka-potjeslatijn! ;-)

Pardon voor mijn slecht Nederlands; ik schrijv wat beter op latijn. :-)

Met vriendelijke groet,
Phil

[Phil Dragoman]

schops wrote in message <8hp868$rku$1...@spectra.a2000.nl>...
>Potjeslatijn, that's called in Dutch ... nothing to do with dykes, though.

No, that would be a Latin translation of Sappho. :-)

Regards,
Phil

[schops]

Now that, Phil, is "steenkolennederlands" - as well as "visserslatijn" -
still enjoyable though ... please don't get self-conscious about it and
continue the good work !
and I quote (upon special request) :

"Potjeslatijn? Gans niet. Je kent niet een dactylus van een kretik van
een bacchius! Dat is zeer goed latijn, je kan me geloven. Maar je
hebt enigermate gelijk - het is ka-potjeslatijn! ;-)

Pardon voor mijn slecht Nederlands; ik schrijv wat beter op latijn. :-)

end of quote

[Phil Dragoman]

Thanks.

Phil

(quoting style ą la schops!)

[schops]

don't mention it, Phil ... you're perfectly welcome

[nantr...@gmail.com]

the enemy of my enemy is my friend

[nantr...@gmail.com]

Is history, is a philosophical and very important medieval phrase

[Evertjan.]

nantr...@gmail.com wrote on 12 Dec 2015 in sci.lang.translation:
> the enemy of my enemy is my friend

Seems you are responding on a posting of 15 Feb 2005,
and that without quoting the original.

Bit silly, ain't it?

--
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

[mr.miodragst...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, June 7, 2000 at 9:00:00 AM UTC+2, M Storm wrote:
> Would someone be able to tell me the correct latin for the old saying "The

> enemy of my enemy is my friend"
>

> Thanks,
>
> M. Storm

The correct answer would be; Inimicus inimici mei amicus meus est.

[Evertjan.]

mr.miodragst...@gmail.com wrote on 08 Feb 2017 in
sci.lang.translation:

> On Wednesday, June 7, 2000 at 9:00:00 AM UTC+2, M Storm wrote:
>> Would someone be able to tell me the correct latin for the old saying "The
>> enemy of my enemy is my friend"
>

> The correct answer would be; Inimicus inimici mei amicus meus est.

"A" correct answer, perhaps, there could be many.

Or there being no need for "est":

"Hostis hostis mei amicus meus."

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

On 2017-02-08 09:19:59 +0000, Evertjan. said:

> mr.miodragst...@gmail.com wrote on 08 Feb 2017 in
> sci.lang.translation:
>
>> On Wednesday, June 7, 2000 at 9:00:00 AM UTC+2, M Storm wrote:
>>> Would someone be able to tell me the correct latin for the old saying "The
>>> enemy of my enemy is my friend"
>>
>> The correct answer would be; Inimicus inimici mei amicus meus est.
>
> "A" correct answer, perhaps, there could be many.
>
> Or there being no need for "est":
>
> "Hostis hostis mei amicus meus."

Not all that quick, though. M. Storm has been waiting nearly 17 years
for this information.


--
athel

[Evertjan.]

Athel Cornish-Bowden <acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote on 10 Feb 2017 in

sci.lang.translation:

> On 2017-02-08 09:19:59 +0000, Evertjan. said:
>
>> mr.miodragst...@gmail.com wrote on 08 Feb 2017 in
>> sci.lang.translation:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 7, 2000 at 9:00:00 AM UTC+2, M Storm wrote:
>>>> Would someone be able to tell me the correct latin for the old saying
>>>> "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"
>>>
>>> The correct answer would be; Inimicus inimici mei amicus meus est.
>>
>> "A" correct answer, perhaps, there could be many.
>>
>> Or there being no need for "est":
>>
>> "Hostis hostis mei amicus meus."
>
> Not all that quick, though. M. Storm has been waiting nearly 17 years
> for this information.

Eleleu!
Amicus facticiosus alius?

[Ah, another quick-answer fetishist?]

Magister Tempestas, XVII annis patiens?