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Chris Kern

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Aug 13, 2004, 6:13:38 AM8/13/04
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Some sources I have looked at attempt to draw a distinction between
だらけ and まみれ, but when you look in the Daijirin (and the
Koujien), you get this:

だらけ
(2)そのものが一面に付いているさまを表す。まみれ。
「どろ―の服」「血―になる」

まみれ
他の語の下に付いて、そのものがべったりついてよごれる意を表す。
「ほこり―」「血―の男」

(The Koujien also gives 泥まみれ as an example).

So it seems there's some overlap there. But do others see a palpable
difference between the two? Also, can だらけ be used in a positive
context? The Koujien gives an example (from the 日葡) of 学文だらけ,
and I wonder if that's supposed to be a マイナスイメージ type of thing
or not.

-Chris

muchan

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Aug 13, 2004, 7:33:52 AM8/13/04
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For me they are not so similar...

-darake is used when something (negative) is "everywhere".
At least, quantatively the speaker feels too much.

-mamire, is about the status, mamireru is close to magireru,
that something (negative) are "mixed", "surrounded with", "covered with"...

In other word, -darake is used in wider situation, like mojibake-darake,
romaji-darake, anime-otaku-darake, "nihonjin"-darake :o

To be romaji-mamire, you would need a cloth printed with romaji. :)

If they are used with マイナスイメージ type of thing or not, I think
yes, but the word itself doesn't exclude the usage without マイナスイメージ,
for example, (maybe a bad example), but, for someone who's trying diet,
もう、おいしいものだらけで困っちゃうね。

muchan

muchan


Paul Blay

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Aug 13, 2004, 7:47:07 AM8/13/04
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"muchan" wrote ...

> In other word, -darake is used in wider situation, like mojibake-darake,
> romaji-darake, anime-otaku-darake, "nihonjin"-darake :o

slj はローマ字だらけになってしまった。
slj は日本人に恵まれた。

;-)

Kevin Gowen

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Aug 13, 2004, 10:04:32 AM8/13/04
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Chris Kern wrote:

Aren't you the soap opera guy? I recently found out that a girl I went
to college with is now a regular on "General Hospital".

- Kevin

Chris Kern

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Aug 13, 2004, 10:18:21 AM8/13/04
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On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:04:32 -0400, Kevin Gowen
<kgowen...@myfastmail.com> posted the following:

>Aren't you the soap opera guy?

I suppose so...I watched General Hospital for some years, although I
no longer do since I don't live in the US anymore (and I think that
I'm unlikely to start again when I go back; the show had sunk pretty
low when I left.)

> I recently found out that a girl I went
>to college with is now a regular on "General Hospital".

What's her name? If she joined in the last year I probably don't know
who she is.

-Chris

Kevin Gowen

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Aug 13, 2004, 10:51:49 AM8/13/04
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Chris Kern wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:04:32 -0400, Kevin Gowen
> <kgowen...@myfastmail.com> posted the following:
>

>>I recently found out that a girl I went
>>to college with is now a regular on "General Hospital".
>
>
> What's her name? If she joined in the last year I probably don't know
> who she is.

Natalia Livingston, who plays the role of Emily Quartermaine. According
to a web search, she joined the cast in April 2003.

> -Chris

- Kevin

Michael Cash

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Aug 13, 2004, 11:52:13 AM8/13/04
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On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:13:38 +0900, Chris Kern <chris...@yahoo.com>
brought down from the Mount tablets inscribed:

Thanks, butthole. I thought I knew the difference until I read your
danged post.

--

Michael Cash

"I am sorry, Mr. Cash, but we are unable to accept your rap sheet in lieu of
a high school transcript."

Dr. Howard Sprague
Dean of Admissions
Mount Pilot College

Chris Kern

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Aug 13, 2004, 7:06:06 PM8/13/04
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On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:51:49 -0400, Kevin Gowen
<kgowen...@myfastmail.com> posted the following:

>Natalia Livingston, who plays the role of Emily Quartermaine. According

>to a web search, she joined the cast in April 2003.

Ah, OK. She had tough shoes to fill; the role of Emily had been
played by one actor from the time she was 12 to 18 or so (Amber
Tamblyn, who's now on "Joan of Arcadia").

-Chris

Kevin Gowen

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Aug 13, 2004, 7:38:17 PM8/13/04
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Chris Kern wrote:

I had such a crush on her in college. I found out about her being on the
show when I was watching a bank of TVs at the gym. It took me a moment
to recognize her since she had short hair in school. Now I set TiVo to
record it because chances are pretty good of seeing her in her underwear
at least once a week.

- Kevin

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