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WHY I POST TO TALK.ORIGINS -- & Why 99.9 Percent of Others Do

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Ed Conrad

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Dec 11, 2002, 8:54:04 PM12/11/02

I post on talk.origins to defend truth, not to make a monkey
out of it.

On the other hand, approximately 99.9 percent of the
regular posters do so because they are nothing more
than vested-interest clones.

They have no concern about scientific integrity, even
though they know down deep that the theory of the evolution
of man is nothing more than pseudoscientific nonsense.

After all, they're not THAT stupid, so they must be aware
that there isn't a scintilla of physical evidence linking man
to ANY pre-human creature that has ever existed.

Meanwhile, these sleazeball asskissers totally ignore
and ridicule the results of state-of-the-art scientific testing
and dismiss, with sarcasm, the highly educated opinion
of world-renowned experts in anatomy and forensic medicine
who have confirmed that they ARE petrified remains of living
creatures and that some are human remains -- bones, teeth
and even soft organs.

That they were discovered BETWEEN anthracite veins
means they are as old as anthracite itself, and all of the
scientific textbooks agree that coal was formed a minimum
of 280 millions years ago during the Carboniferous.

It means, of course, that man indeed had existed on earth
eons before Darwin and the evolutionists have claimed their
factless theory had put us here.

It means, too, that their piddly nonsense -- the facetious theory
that man evolved from inhuman creatures multi-multi-millions
of years after coal was formed -- is a paradigm without foundation.

These vested-interest clones who post regularly to talk.origins
have the audacity to question experts like Wilton Krogman,
Raymond Dart, Yerkes bone expert Jeremy Dahl, the results of
SEM testing, the results of more than 16 CatSCANS and the
results of testing by American Medical Laboratories which determined
that dried blood exists in various specimens it had examined.

Yet, on the other hand, they have not dared question the pablum
they've been spoonfed in their classrooms, nor the deceit, dishonesty,
collusion, conspiracy and buffonery of their own scientific
establishment brethren.

For example: Raymond Rye and others of the Smithsonian Insitution;
Andrew MacRae; Alan Walker of Johns Hopkins University; Alan Mann
of the University of Pennsyvlania; Roger Cuffey, Robert Eckhart and
Charles Pitts of Penn State University; Paul Myers, then at Temple
University but now at the University of Minnesota; the scientists at
La Brea Tar Pits in Los Angeles, and the scumbags at the University of
California at Berkeley who were caught in a notarized lie.

They have all played a role in this woeful, deceitful pseudo game
intent on continuing to perpetrate a monumental fraud against mankind.

Meanwhile, I've been posting to talk.origins for quite a few years
in an attempt to shed light on the total sham that continues to
be perpetrated by the Scientific Establishment and its Pied Pipers
who lack the least bit of integrity.

IF John Q. Public only realized he is the victim of such a monumental
conspiracy...

IF John Q. Public only knew that the conspiracy against "Man
as Old as Coal" is much, much worse -- and more an insult
to truth -- than even the assassination of JFK and cover-up that
followed, and much, much worse than the cover-up of the UFO
crash near Roswell, N.M.

Ed Conrad
> http://www.edconrad.com

> Man as Old as Coal
and
> Proof of Life After Death

Ed Conrad

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Dec 11, 2002, 8:55:29 PM12/11/02

Oh, shit, I forgot to mention...

===================\/===========================

> WHY THE VERMIN' ARE SQUIRMIN'

================================================

HereSs but the tip of the iceberg of the petrified bones, teeth and
several soft organs -- some human -- that were discovered between
anthracite coal veins in Pennsylvania. A Golden Rule of Geology is
that coal is a minimum of 280 million years old and that anthracite
is the oldest, therefore even older.
----0----
> "Any profession that does not supply its own
> criticism and iconoclasm will discover that someone
> else will do the job, and usually in a way it does not like."
> -- Norman Macbeth, in his book "Darwin Retried"
=============
> "The right to search for truth implies also a duty;
> one must not conceal any part of what one has
> recognized to be true."
> -- Thomas Edison
==============
> "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our
> wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions,
> they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
> -- John Adams, defense attorney, Boston Massacre, 1770
==============
> "They have a skeleton in their closet, Ed, and they don't
> want to open the door."
> -- Clayton Lennon (1900-1996), philosopher

==============================================

> ALL SPECIMENS FOUND BETWEEN
> PENNSYLVANIA'S ANTHRACITE VEINS

> (Strata geologically dated at a minimum of 280 million years)

This specimen was identified as a petrified human cranium,
a skull with the eyesockets broken off, by the late Dr. Wilton
Krogman, one of the world's leading human anatomists and author
of "The Human Skeleton in Forensic Medicine." He is shown
examining it in the second photo. Moments after the photo was taken,
a medical doctor walked into the room at the Cooper Clinic in
Lancaster, Pa., and Krogman invited him over to see "the oldest human
skull ever found."

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/z11calv.jpg
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/krogwskull.jpg
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/MVC-006S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/MVC-007S.JPG

A CATscan of the above specimen revealed a second protrusion
that isn't visible to the naked eye. It showed it is located precisely
where it would be expected to be found in a human cranium.
That report follows:

> http://www.edconrad.com/images/catcalv.jpg

This specimen also had tested positive for the presence of Haversian
canals under microscopic scrutiny. Additionally, American Medical
Laboratories in Chantilly, Va., performed testing of calculus analysis
by crystallography and revealed that it contains "a composition of
dried blood intermingled with a few small crystals resembling calcium
oxalate dihydrate."
That report follows:

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/AML/MVC-012S.JPG

=============================================

Another petrified human skull -- this one embedded in a boulder
that weights some 3,000 pounds. It was found within 100 feet of the
previous skull and a year later, also having come from between
anthracite veins in Schuylkill County, Pa

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/skulla.jpg
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/skullb.jpg
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith1/other1.jpg
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/z2_2.jpg

A microcopic photo of granules removed from the specimen
reveal the presence of Haversian canals. This is the same
specimen that was emphatically denied as being bone by
the Smithsonian Institution. It earlier had stated that
microscopic examination of the cell structure is required,
then ignored that test completely and responded by saying
it had performed "x-ray analysis" which, it deceitfully claimed,
confirmed that the specimen is not bone. The fact is, "x-ray analysis"
is not an appropriate test to determine whether an object is bone.

> http://www.edconrad.com/oldascoal/images/proof1.jpg

====================================================

A petrified human femur still in shale, a near-cousin to coal, which
also had been removed from between anthracite veins. Portions of
the bulb ends have broken off.

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/z8femur.jpg
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/z6femur.jpg
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith1/z7femur.jpg

=====================================================

This specimen was identified as a portion of a tibia by Wilton
Krogman. It contains Haversian canals, the telltale sign of bone,
embarrassing Andrew Macrae, then of Calgary University, who had
performed fraudulent testing for cellular structure. For his test
results, he had used a meticulously prepared ground section that had
been prepared from a rock or concretion.

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/newtibia.jpg

A scanning electronic microscope (SEM) was used to examine
the inner surface features of this specimen to compare it with
cadaver bone at the same power magnification. Here are the
SEM photos at 2,000X.

> http://www.edconrad.com/oldascoal/images/bones.jpg

This is the same specimen that Andrew Macrae played fraudulent games
with. He then posted photos of ground sections on his web page,
claiming they were views of the cellular structure of the specimen and
insisting it wasn't bone because no circles (Haversian canals) could
be found. However, the photo beneath it taken later shows it DOES
contain circles -- Haversian canals --- and, therefore, IS petrified
bone. It was just one of several fraudulent scientific and/or
deceiving tests conducted on some of these specimens by members
of the Scientifiic Establishment. The photo on the left in the
following URL is what Macrae posted. The next two show what
a ground section really looks like.
> http://www.edconrad.com/canals/ts_compare1.jpg
> http://edconrad.com/canals/slide1.jpg
> http://www.edconrad.com/canals/0505160x.jpg

Additionally, American Medical Laboratories had performed calculus
analysis by crystallography on this particular specimen and reported
that it "consisted predominately of dried blood and protein."
That report follows:

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/AML/MVC-006S.JPG

==============================================

An assorment of miscellaneous specimens, primarily portions of
petrified mandibles (jaw bones), found between the same coal veins:

==============================================

A human lung, petrified:

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-015S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-016S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-017S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-018S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-019S.JPG

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A pair of petrified fetuses. The large one, which has been transformed
to a coal-like substance, measures 6 1/2 inches in length.

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-010S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-011S.JPG

=============================================

A petrified gall bladder, with a CATscan later revealling the
presence of a gall stone inside.

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/z5gall.jpg

This is one of the specimens that was tested by American
Medical Laboratories via calculus analysis by crystallography.
It revealed the specimen "consists of a few small pieces of dried
blood," adding that "none of the constituents normally found
in urinary calculi are present." (which comes as no surprise since
the specimen it tested is petrified).
That report follows:

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/AML/MVC-010S.JPG

=============================================

Portion of dinosaur foot embedded in anthracite-bearing shale:

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-012S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-013S.JPG

============================================

This was the very first discovery of petrified bone in coal-bearing
Carboniferous strata in June 1981. It resembled a giant skull and
the Smithsonian expressd an interest in examining
it personally. However, its experts dismissed it as a rock or
concretion without any testing whatsoever, not even revealing that
a microscopic study of cell structure would accurately identify
whether it is bone. Later, a pair of petrified teeth -- a premolar and
a canine -- were found inside the jaw area. One was subjected to an
infrared scan which revealed its origin is that of a bone or a tooth.

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith1/first.jpg

The premolar that was found inside the jaw area:

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-014S.JPG

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A petrified handcrafted wooden handle, which has been transformed
to anthracite, found between coal veins.

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-001S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-002S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-004S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-003S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-005S.JPG

============================================

A portion of petrified bone still in slate (or shale), near cousin of
coa, that confirms the bone is older than the material in which
it is embedded:

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith1/MVC-014S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith1/MVC-015S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith1/MVC-016S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith1/MVC-017S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith1/MVC-018S.JPG

============================================

A giant canine tooth, found between the same coal veins:

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Vel1/MVC-009S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Vel1/MVC-007S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Vel1/MVC-008S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Vel1/MVC-006S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Vel1/MVC-010S.JPG

These specimens and the honest testing results prove, beyond
the shadow of a doubt, that man and large land animals existed
while coal was being formed.
This is NOT theory and rhetoric, which is what the pseudoscientists
have used to brainwash the common man. It is physical evidence,
which is what science is supposed to be all about.

====================@@==========================
=====================\/===========================

Oh, no! You mean there's MORE?

> PORTION OF A GIANT PREHISTORIC SCORPION
> Petrified
> Discovered Between Anthracite Veins

This is a portion of a giant prehistoric scorpion that was
identified as such by none other than the late Wilton M.
Krogman, one of the world's foremost authorities on anatomy
-- human and non-human -- and author of "The Human
Skeleton in Forensic Medicine."

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-022S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-021S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-016S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-017S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-019S.JPG

Krogman explained that he was able to identify it because he
had done extensive research disecting insects, especially scorpions,
during his career, therefore was *absolutely certain* what it is.

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-001S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-002S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-003S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-004S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-005S.JPG

This specimen originiated from between anthracite veins
in Pennsylvania's hard coal region -- in Schuylkill County --
and was found more than 20 years ago in two separate pieces
which fit together perfectly.

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-006S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-007S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-008S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-009S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-010S.JPG

It must be emphasized that this particular specimen was the
subject of another cover-up by members of the Scientific
Establishment -- at one of America's most prestigious universities
-- but we'll save this latest horror story of deceit, deception,
collusion and conspiracy for another day.

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-011S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-012S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-013S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-014S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-015S.JPG

The discovery of the physical evidence of giant scorpions inhabiting
the earth during the time that anthracite was being formed -- along
with discoveries of petrified bones, teeth and even soft organs, some
human -- as well as a dinosaur foot embedded in shale in the same
strata means that men, giant scorpions and dinosaurs undoubtedly
existed together at one point eons ago.

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-018S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-020S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-023S.JPG

Ed Conrad
> http://www.edconrad.com

MAN AS OLD AS COAL
and
PROOF OF LIFE AFTER DEATH

Seamus Ma' Cleriec

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Dec 13, 2002, 10:12:21 AM12/13/02

In the event that anyone has any idea of believing this nonsense ...

http://www.skeptictank.org/flist072.htm
http://homepage.mac.com/myers/misc/bone.html

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