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Stanleyj

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Nov 1, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/1/98
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If you are, what are you using? What does the real world recommend?

Stan

Dave Hutchinson

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Stanleyj wrote:

> If you are, what are you using? What does the real world recommend?
>
> Stan

Stan,

I use a Garmin GPS II+. I have had it in the field for 2 seasons now,
going on a third this year. Configuration is as comes from factory. It
works very well in the flooded timber in Arkansas for duck hunting.
(November through January).

I did take it this year for the first time opening day of squirrel
season while the leaves were still very green and thick. At startup,
it did not like to lock on to sats while I was moving around. I
stopped under thick cover untill it locked. Signal strength was about
half scale on several sats. Once I locked on, I proceed into the
backcountry and all worked very well. I put the GPS in my top pocket
of my coveralls, and it tracked me all over the place. Lots of big
green oak trees and pecan trees, but no probs.

I checked several places I had marked with the GPS last year. One was
where my deer stand usually goes opening day. It "guided" me to about
50 feet from my tree. SA was very "kind" to me that day. I have seen
it however where SA will have you a couple of hundred feet from the
stand.

It is a handy tool to have on you in case you need some emergency
navigation to get out. (Flashlight goes out, you loose your compass,
get disoriented, ect...). I use it to mark all of my deer stands, my
buddies stands, scrapes, ect. I also use it to mark downed game in
backcountry that I am not familiar with, so I can get back to the same
area without loosing game.

I still rely heavily on compass readings while traveling slowly through
the woods. I have found that GPS works very well with moving targets
(ie me walking to the truck), but not well with stationary, or slow
(stalking) ones. Its still a very good tool to have though....just
dont throw that compass away

Dave
Almyra, Arkansas


rclement

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Hi Stan
Im using a Garmin 12XL4.02 Ver. & Eagle Map Guide PRO Ver.1.2.They both
work well for me and the type of hunting I do. With the 12XL I use Waypoint+
& OziExplore with scanned in topo maps that I did. The MGPro I use the
program that came with it and OziExplore in fact I just download my
wapoints & tracks from both to files of a deer hunt I went on this last week
just got home 3 hours ago. the Garmin III seems to be the big thing on this
news group I see some GM100s I tried to get one but couldn"t find anyone
that had them so I got the Eagle MG Pro it doesn"t have Ext. Ant the GM100
does used it in heavy pines and oaks never had a problem even got locks
inside camp house.

Roger
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marcel st laurent

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Stanleyj wrote:

> If you are, what are you using? What does the real world recommend?
>
> Stan

I'm using Garmin 40, it's old but more precise than the magellan 2000

David Rosin

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Garmin III It is great. Mark the truck, and head into the woods ... scout
until can walk anymore, marking White oaks, rubs, pawed out places. Then
GOTO truck and gives me a bearing ... I'm back at the truck, no extra
walking ... like I said, it is great.

SA (Selective Availability) sucks a big one ... mark a hard wood thicket,
clump shit, hit trees (note I said trees, not saplings) back to camp, and
then up at 5am next morning ...9/10 of a mile in the woods, 21 lb climbing
stand on my back and off for the 9/10 of a mile trek. I'm there, at least
the GPS says I'm there ... no hardwood thicket ... pines all around (it is
pitch black). ... GPS now says the waypoint is 550 ft east, off I trek ...
300 ft ... 100 ft ... I'm there ... no hardwood thicket .. more pines ...
now the GPS says the waypoint is 300 ft south ....I shut the thing off and
wait until day light ... walk 75 feet and put up my stand ... slung three
arrows that day ... one miss, two hits ... nothing with horns though :(


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David Rosin

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Also ... stick a doe and she runs off .. no blood trail to speak of ...
start the track log, start looking .. after a while, check the track log to
see places that I have missed in the pattened search ... like I said in the
first note ... it is great!

Andrew Kalinowski

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Nov 1, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/1/98
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Yep,
I'm (not he only) one of them.
I was using Eagle Expedition last year. This year I have Lowrance GM100.
Came back from moose hunt couple of weeks ago. Had my GM100 uploaded with
maps created with OziMC (alpha). Had all the tracks, logging roads, swamps,
rivers, lakes right on the screen! Didn't have to take the printed map out
of the pocket! GM100 didn't fail me once. I carry it in the upper pocked of
my hunting jacket. In there, it keeps the lock very well. Worst case
repeatability I found after analysing plots was in a deep, wooded ravine.
"In" and "out" tracks were briefly separated by about 150 meters. Not really
a surprise taking into the account terrain + foliage + SA + half of the
satellite in possible view covered by my body. Typically I find
repeatability to be within 50 meters. And well under that, if the reference
position was averaged for 15 minutes or more. Most of the features I
converted from last year tracks / Icons and waypoints collected with EEx.
They were smack on this year - I guess continental drift isn't that big
after all ;-))
If you are on the market for GPS, definitely get one with uploadable maps.
It's the greatest leap personal GPS took since 12 channel parallel receiver
came on the market. But, you might want to wait till next year when Garmin
releases theirs. It's a competitive market and I'm sure Garmin will want to
one up Lowrance. In fact, if you are willing to wait, wait till Lowrance
announces their response to upcoming GIII+ from Garmin. Lowrance has a head
start in map uploadable GPS's, so it shouldn't take them long to respond. My
guess - within a month of GIII+ hitting the market.
By the way: I didn't get my moose - must have spent to much time watching my
new toy instead looking out for the beast.


--
Andrew K.

Don't drink and internet!

JTJ

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I just got back from a week in eastern WA with my GPS-II+ and I was
thoroughly impressed!!! Used with a compass, I felt that I couldn't have
gotten separated from the truck if I had to.

I kept the track going from the time we set out in the morning until we
wrapped up at night and was able to ID all the roads we drove, and then
when in the brush, it was a real comfort to know that there is a road
'right over there!'

I also played around a bit with the cross track function. I could see
the truck off in the distance, used the compass to pick the direction,
entered the direction and a swag for mileage and figured that if I kept
my cross track to a minimum, I'd have to stumble across the rig
eventually. It worked.

Remember, carry spare batteries!

JT

dbar...@synapse.net

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Nov 2, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/2/98
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Yes to the first question, Stan. I'm currently using a Garmin 12XL after
having started with a Garmin 75 several years ago. My guide, found at
http://www.synapse.net/~dbartlett/gpsutm.htm was written on the basis of my
hunting and fishing experience.

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>
> Stan
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A20driver

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Nov 2, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/2/98
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Know several hunters(deer)...All happy with Garmin 12...

Bruce McWatters

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In article <363eeabf...@news.buffnet.net>,
stan...@buffnet.net (Stanleyj) wrote:

>If you are, what are you using? What does the real world recommend?
>
>Stan

I've been using the eagle explorer for well over a year in
New Mexico mostly down in the Gila National Forest and I
haven't had a single complaint whether in the thick ponderosa
woods or even down in deep canyons. Although once I didn't get
a fix until I moved it about 6 inches and then all the satelites
were there. It has saved me several long walks back to the truck
or camp. IMHO it works extremely well.
Bruce...

Jon Jone

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Nov 2, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/2/98
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There are two valid reasons to hunt and kill animals

1. If the animal is to be used for food.

2. If the animal is trying to eat you and you are defending yourself.

Other than this, how can any normal person with feelings and morals derive
pleasure from killing harmless defenceless animals for sport.

Surely there are better things to use a GPS for.

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Dwight Pugh

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Nov 2, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/2/98
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Yes, I'm a hunting that uses Fugawi software, USGS DRG TOPO maps, with a
Garmin 12XL. I used the topo maps to setup my general search areas. Things
like saddles, ridges, funneling areas. I then print out the topo map with
waypoints noted. I then download the waypoints into my 12. I then use the
topo printout and GPS (watch out for SA) to scout. As a search the areas, if
I found new areas, I save the waypoint and later add it to my FUGAWI
waypoint list for that area. The SA prevents you from finding a specific
tree. I use the compass to zero in on a specific area from a distance. I
will also use waypoints that our directly in line but beyond the area I'm
looking for. This keeps SA from causing me all kinds of problems as I get
close to the destination.

PS: I have an external antenna that I Velcro to the hat and I keep my GPS
on all the time.

I hope this helps.

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Randy Hartley

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Nov 2, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/2/98
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What has your opinion about hunting have to do with the question asked?


Jon Jone wrote in message <01be064f$35029fa0$d2a06ccb@default>...


>There are two valid reasons to hunt and kill animals
>
>1. If the animal is to be used for food.
>
>2. If the animal is trying to eat you and you are defending yourself.
>
>Other than this, how can any normal person with feelings and morals derive
>pleasure from killing harmless defenceless animals for sport.
>
>Surely there are better things to use a GPS for.
>
>
>
>Stanleyj <stan...@buffnet.net> wrote in article
><363eeabf...@news.buffnet.net>...

Lawrence R Glickman

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Nov 2, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/2/98
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Actually, there is a _third_ valid reason.
It's called population control.
Letting animals proliferate unchecked can and does result in their
overgrazing and destruction of their food supply. Then, if population is
not controlled, they starve and succumb to disease. Since we have
eliminated many *natural* predators, humans now have to take their place
e.g. coyote / white tail deer ).
If hunters don't cull the herds, then dept of conservation personnel have to
( no revenue from that !)
my 3 cents.

flames welcome. I don't care. These are the facts like it or not.

--
Larry
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A fracturing neutron star is a terrible thing to waste

Andrew Kalinowski

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Nov 2, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/2/98
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Just to keep things in a proper perspective; Are you a vegetarian or are you
a hypocrite?
Don't bother unswerving. Lets quickly bring Hitler out of the closet and
kill this branch of the tread - it doesn't belong in this NG, unless you
want to share with us what GPS's animal right activists use.

Andrew K.

Bum1518908

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>ther than this, how can any normal person with feelings and morals derive
>pleasure from killing harmless defenceless animals for sport.

how about to keep the population down so deer and other animals don't cause
death and destruction on the highways? I know a person that hit four deer in a
three month period driving to work, she eventually had to undergo therapy to
deal with the fear of driving a car.

dan

don't go anywhere your gaurdian angel is not allowed to go.

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Bob Fry

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Another reason: to Celebrate Diversity. Isn't it wonderful that some
like to hunt, others don't...such wonderful Diversity! Let's
Celebrate it! That's the Liberal line, right?
--
Bob Fry r...@jps.net

Joe Mehaffey

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Nov 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/3/98
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Hi Bob,
Yes! And we are demonstrating that DIVERSITY (left unchecked) leads to
social unrest, discontent, and leads to a general unraveling of social
cohesiveness on which our "melting pot" country was based.

I am afraid we may become the BALKANS of the new world.

Diversity is only a good idea in the lunch menu.

Joe Mehaffey

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anon...@hotmail.com

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Nov 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/3/98
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the whole point of this country is not controlling DIVERSITY but
embracing it. you can say or be anything you want in theory, and as
long as you don't hurt anybody else or damage their property, so be
it. doesn't mean you get things to be the way you want unless that's
how most of us feel.

for all it's problems, that basic concept of that freedom contained in
the constitution has kept us on top of the heap for quite a while.
i hope i never live to see the day when we throw it away because some
subset of us decides we know better.
doesn't mean i like "how" things are...

please forgive the off topic post.

On Tue, 03 Nov 1998 04:25:38 GMT, Joe Mehaffey <j...@mehaffey.com>
wrote:

Soren Svensson

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In article <363FAE58...@mehaffey.com>, j...@mehaffey.com says...

> anon...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > the whole point of this country is not controlling DIVERSITY but
> > embracing it.
>
> I don't think we should CONTROL or EMBRACE diversity, but rather
> ELIMINATE social diversity. Social diversity CREATES SOCIAL UNREST and
> unhappiness in "whoever" thinks "his group" is being screwed. Notice

I'm sure this is flame bait, but I have to ask. Are you insane?

/Soren

Stanleyj

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Nov 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/4/98
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Thanks to all of you for your inputs. Based on your inputs,I will only
hunt for food, and I only make a kill if I'm being attacked, I
promise!

Stan

Joe Mehaffey

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anon...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> the whole point of this country is not controlling DIVERSITY but
> embracing it.

I don't think we should CONTROL or EMBRACE diversity, but rather
ELIMINATE social diversity. Social diversity CREATES SOCIAL UNREST and
unhappiness in "whoever" thinks "his group" is being screwed. Notice

how the French Canadians want to secede from the rest of Canada? If
they had been properly integrated into Canadian society, this would not
be happening! Same for the Balkans. Notice how great "diversity" has
been for them!

> You can say or be anything you want in theory, and as long as you

> don't hurt anybody else or damage their property, so be it.

Have you told any ethnic Jokes lately at the office? There was an
article about someone getting fired because he told a "Polack joke" and
someone was offended. We are now a society of thin skinned victims.

> doesn't mean you get things to be the way you want unless that's
> how most of us feel.

And THAT is FREEDOM???

>
> for all it's problems, that basic concept of that freedom contained in
> the constitution has kept us on top of the heap for quite a while.

Yes: It is too bad we are losing so many freedoms daily. I used to be
free to live a) without profanity on the TV/Radio, b) without fear of
getting fired for accidently insulting someone, c) without fear of
going to jail for disciplining my child, d) without fear that my
President could lie before a Federal Grand Jury without getting tossed
out, e) without fear of getting shot if I drove in downtown Atlanta at
night, f) without fear that I might be prevented from cultivating my
own land because somebody found it to be a "cricket habitat" or some
such silly notion. I could go on and on but I don't want to bore you.


> i hope i never live to see the day when we throw it away because some
> subset of us decides we know better.

I don't want to throw the US Constitution AWAY. I want us to go back to
its original intent!

Joe Mehaffey
(sorry for the off topic excursion, but you rang my bell that time!)

Joe Mehaffey

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Probably. But I am happy at it.
Joe

Soren Svensson wrote:
>
> In article <363FAE58...@mehaffey.com>, j...@mehaffey.com says...

> > anon...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > the whole point of this country is not controlling DIVERSITY but
> > > embracing it.
> >
> > I don't think we should CONTROL or EMBRACE diversity, but rather
> > ELIMINATE social diversity. Social diversity CREATES SOCIAL UNREST and
> > unhappiness in "whoever" thinks "his group" is being screwed. Notice
>

Joe Mehaffey

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Hi Soren,
You are exactly right. I must be Insane. I don't want people to think
of themselves as Black, White, Indian, Poor, Rich, Moslem,
Protestant, Jew, Sexually Harassed, Gay, etc. I think identifying
and amplifying our differences like these is divisive and hurtful to the
country.

I have the Insane Idea that we would ALL be better off if we thought of
ourselves as AMERICANS! I think having "social and political
diversity" in the above sense is INSANE, so I must be also.

Joe

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anon...@hotmail.com

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On Wed, 04 Nov 1998 01:31:22 GMT, Joe Mehaffey <j...@mehaffey.com>
wrote:

>anon...@hotmail.com wrote:


>>
>> the whole point of this country is not controlling DIVERSITY but
>> embracing it.
>
>I don't think we should CONTROL or EMBRACE diversity, but rather
>ELIMINATE social diversity. Social diversity CREATES SOCIAL UNREST and
>unhappiness in "whoever" thinks "his group" is being screwed. Notice

>how the French Canadians want to secede from the rest of Canada? If
>they had been properly integrated into Canadian society, this would not
>be happening! Same for the Balkans. Notice how great "diversity" has
>been for them!
>

Can you define "diversity" as you use it? I'd like to understand how
you intend the term.
I can readily think of several examples of a group feeling they were
"being screwed" when in fact they were. And IMHO, they had a right to
complain and do something about it within the social
fabric...demonstartions, court cases, strikes, ok...terrorist type
activities such as bombings etc, definitely not ok. The civiil rights
movement of the 60s is one example.


>> You can say or be anything you want in theory, and as long as you
>> don't hurt anybody else or damage their property, so be it.
>
>Have you told any ethnic Jokes lately at the office? There was an
>article about someone getting fired because he told a "Polack joke" and
>someone was offended. We are now a society of thin skinned victims.
>

I only tell ethnic jokes to people I know well, and who know me well.
Without knowing the full circumstances, I can't judge the firing. If
it was the "final straw" in a recurring pattern of racial insults, in
which the employee had been informed that some of his/her peers found
it offensive, then it was probably justified. If it was an isolated
incident or the result of the first complaint against the employee,
then IMO, it was wrong to fire the employee.


>> doesn't mean you get things to be the way you want unless that's
>> how most of us feel.
>And THAT is FREEDOM???

no that is democracy. The majority decide. Freedom means that we don't
make rules infringing an individual's personal rights to do what they
want in areas where the behavior doesn't affect other individuals
rights. Doesn't always work so well, but what we have is the closest
to that ideal I've seen.


>>
>> for all it's problems, that basic concept of that freedom contained in
>> the constitution has kept us on top of the heap for quite a while.
>Yes: It is too bad we are losing so many freedoms daily. I used to be
>free to live a) without profanity on the TV/Radio, b) without fear of
>getting fired for accidently insulting someone, c) without fear of
>going to jail for disciplining my child, d) without fear that my
>President could lie before a Federal Grand Jury without getting tossed
>out, e) without fear of getting shot if I drove in downtown Atlanta at
>night, f) without fear that I might be prevented from cultivating my
>own land because somebody found it to be a "cricket habitat" or some
>such silly notion. I could go on and on but I don't want to bore you.
>> i hope i never live to see the day when we throw it away because some
>> subset of us decides we know better.
>I don't want to throw the US Constitution AWAY. I want us to go back to
>its original intent!
>
>Joe Mehaffey
>(sorry for the off topic excursion, but you rang my bell that time!)

My first post was because you rang mine although a large part of this
may be because I am "hearing" things you don't intend.
"Diversity" by my definition is a good thing. I'd use individualism as
a synonym for diversity and I like being able to be who I want to be,
think how I want to think and express those opinions in a lawful
manner. I like choices and accept that means giving the same freedom
to others who will make choices I don't like.
I'd like to take any other dialog on this to e mail to avoid abusing
the intent of the newsgroup. If anyone would like to join such a
discussion, send me an e mail and I'll include the addresses in
anything I send on this.
A reply to this via the newgroup by Joe, would IMHO, be only fair as
I have no right to post "publically" and ask that rebuttals/replies
not be "public".


Jon Jone

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Yes, this would be a valid reason, if the hunters true motivation is to
preserve human life, I can't argue with it.

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Bob Bruneau

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Nov 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/4/98
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Joe Mehaffey wrote:

> [snip]

> I don't want to throw the US Constitution AWAY. I want us to go back to
> its original intent!
>
> Joe Mehaffey
> (sorry for the off topic excursion, but you rang my bell that time!)

Bless you, Joe. That makes two of us. And much of the damage has been done
by activist judges who seem to think, somehow, that they're part of the
legislative branch.

Bob


John Davis

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I use the Magellan 2000XL. It has worked very well for me, even in heavy
cover. I think you would be OK with just about anything that is 12 parallel
channel.

John

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Jim Springer

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Nov 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/4/98
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What is your motivation when you step on a cock roach? I really dont think
it is any ones business but yours as long as it wasnt my cock roach.

>Yes, this would be a valid reason, if the hunters true motivation is to
>preserve human life, I can't argue with it.

>> >ther than this, how can any normal person with feelings and morals


derive
>> >pleasure from killing harmless defenceless animals for sport.
>>
>> how about to keep the population down so deer and other animals don't
cause
>> death and destruction on the highways? I know a person that hit four deer
in a
>> three month period driving to work, she eventually had to undergo therapy
to
>> deal with the fear of driving a car

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Chuck Followers

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Nov 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/4/98
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I am definitely not to be described as any sort of activist, but surely
no one really believes that the "average" hunter stalks his prey for
either food or "concern" for over-population. This is really stretching
the bounds of honesty, in my opinion. The concern for overpopulation is
real, but the citing of it as a major reason that the "average" guy
enjoys hunting is absurd. I am a southerner, and hunting is in the air
down here. Heck, I just ate wild deer a few days ago. I was given my
first rifle at the age of nine. We hunt because it is available for us
to do so, it is exhilarating, sometimes challenging, sometimes just
target practice, but always fun to relive our primitive past by
"bringing down" the great beast, and feeding the tribe. The only thing
is that there aren't very many true beasts left, and our family is much
better provided for at the local grocer. I see no problem whatsoever
with humanely killing game in, otherwise, over-populated areas. But
let's not kid each other, fellows; we don't do it for the sake of the
animal, that's just an after-thought....or maybe just a rationalization.
Of course these are just my own opinions (goes without saying). I just
think that hunting is done in the pursuit of pleasure, rather than for
some noble cause, or to save some poor lady from thousands of dollars
worth of therapy bills. :-)

C.T.


Soren Svensson

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In article <363FC13D...@mehaffey.com>, j...@mehaffey.com says...

> Hi Soren,
> You are exactly right. I must be Insane. I don't want people to think
> of themselves as Black, White, Indian, Poor, Rich, Moslem,
> Protestant, Jew, Sexually Harassed, Gay, etc. I think identifying
> and amplifying our differences like these is divisive and hurtful to the
> country.
>
> I have the Insane Idea that we would ALL be better off if we thought of
> ourselves as AMERICANS! I think having "social and political
> diversity" in the above sense is INSANE, so I must be also.

I agree with that part, but it's a very small slice of social diversity.
Do you also think everyone should drive the same car, wear the same
clothes, listen to the same music, etc, etc?

/Soren

Mike Gay

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Great! Could you kindly fuck off to a more appropriate group!

Joe Mehaffey

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Nov 5, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/5/98
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See below.

No. And I never heard anyone suggest before that having the law STOP
RECOGNIZING "special classes of people" would ultimately result in us
all having to have the same cars, listen to the same music, etc. Now
who is dropping neurons? The big problem is: If we think of ourselves
as BLACK/WHITE, ASIAN, HISPANICS, etc., then we are not going to ever
become AMERICANS! We need to end the idea that amplifying and
glorifying our differences is the way to go. Just the opposite is true
if we want an integrated cohesive society with less strife. We all know
that if kids fail to learn good English (in the USA) then they *in all
liklihood will end up second class citizens. Therefore I have this
crazy idea that educating immigrant children in their "native" tongue is
contrary to their and the country's best interests.

This is *thankfully* my last comment on this topic.
Joe

Joe Mehaffey

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Hi Mike,
You are quite welcome on this group, but there is no need for you to
use foul language here. All of us are quite able to understand your
comments if you use normal English.
Thanks
Joe Mehaffey

Tom Werry

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Nov 5, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/5/98
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Joe Mehaffey <j...@mehaffey.com> wrote:
>You are quite welcome on this group, but there is no need for you to
>use foul language here. All of us are quite able to understand your
>comments if you use normal English.
>>Mike Gay wrote:
>> Could you kindly fuck off to a more appropriate group!
-----------------------------------------
Heh heh ! Kinda funny the way you repeated his use of foul language
in your post, Joe. Kinda evens the score.

Reminds me of the old school-marm railing at the students - "Now boys
- just because HE said it, you don't have to repeat it!".

I know you post a lot of stuff here as it seems to be your business,
Joe, but do you mind terribly please not to use "I" & "WE" & "ALL OF
US" as if you were the spokesperson for this newsgroup?

As an alternative, you could try to get this NG changed to a moderated
group, and get yourself appointed moderator.

I think enough here would agree that the occasional fuck would be
found not totally unappreciated.

(BTW, I agree with Mike - the guy can fuck off to a more appropriate
group!)

Regards,Tom Werry gpsnav at pacific dot net dot sg
Programmer's Logic: Press ENTER to exit. (laugh now, here)


Andrew Kalinowski

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Nov 5, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/5/98
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Fellows,

Positions discussed under this branch of the topic are greatly of the
course. We have gone into uncharted territory. If you kindly set your GPSs
to sci.geo.satellite-nav waypoint, you can still steer your way to calm
waters.
It may cool you down to know that Chicago Mapping announced joint venture
with 3COM. They are about to release a handheld "GPS Colour Pilot" with
portable CD-ROM interface and uploadable detailed, down to topographical and
street level maps of US and Canada and Europe and Australia / NZ in
international versions. Now, that's something to look forward to. Die
Garmin. Die Lowrance.

Andrew

MIKEOFWA

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Nov 5, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/5/98
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Tom Werry wrote:
snip...

>I think enough here would agree that the occasional fuck would be
>found not totally unappreciated.
...snip

I agree. It has been awhile.

Seriously. The guy that was told to fuck off, hereafter referred to as the
fuckoffee, was the third or fourth off topic post. I appreciated that off topic
post. So Mike Gay, hereafter referred to as the fuckoffor, was overreacting.
IMO. Who knows? Maybe Mike's dog died that morning and in fact he was
underreacting.

As far as Joe goes, well, consider this. Out of all the newsgroups I have ever
subscribed to this one is the most well mannered. Posts are well thought out
and polite. ususally. Occasionally a thread goes off topic. But hey, when that
happens I get a little insight into the another person who I already know a
little by our GPS association. I like that.

Take that Glickman guy for instance. I thought he was a raving lunatic at
first. Then, gradually, his posts revealed that under that gruff exterior was a
caring, considerate raving lunatic. HaHa. That was a joke Larry.

So be careful what you wish for. I think there is good balance on this ng and I
suspect Joe is a big part of that balance.

Just my two sense.
Mike Baum

Charles Gallo

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Nov 6, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/6/98
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Anon,
And did you every realize that we DON'T live in a Democracy
(We live in a Republic), and so many of the horrid things we do in
this country are in the name of "Democracy" - Have you ever heard the
phrase "The Tyranny of the Majority"?

Charlie

On Wed, 04 Nov 1998 07:31:54 GMT, anon...@hotmail.com wrote:

<snip>


>no that is democracy. The majority decide. Freedom means that we don't
>make rules infringing an individual's personal rights to do what they
>want in areas where the behavior doesn't affect other individuals
>rights. Doesn't always work so well, but what we have is the closest
>to that ideal I've seen.
>>>

<snip>

Chuck Followers

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Nov 6, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/6/98
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Gee, and I counted more than twenty seven posts on the topic, all prior
to mine. Yet it was mine alone that seemed to be singled out for your
obviously well-thought-out analysis. Pehaps the United Nations could use
your services. lol Perhaps my "particular" comment hurt your "wittle
feewings?"

I think the problem is that Mr. Gay's, rhetorical skills are probably so
lacking that he, like yourself, of necessity, resorts to such language.
I mean, when the argument isn't there to be made, just shout
profanities. lol No one asked you to read the posts. You clicked on them
of your own free will, the same way they were posted. I think you and
your buddy, Mr. Gay, would like to be the " moderators." Afterall, you
are the ones attempting to dictate what is "appropriate," and where. I
think you two can take your own suggestion....and....why not do it
together. BTW....Mr. Mehaffey can clearly handle himself, but just for
the record, he, most definitely, speaks for a great many of us here on
many topics. I doubt your support is nearly as strong.

C.T.


Sam Wormley

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"Lawrence R Glickman" <lgli...@ameritech.net> wrote:

>This photo was taken just after one of my high-frequency rf experiments, so
>I normally look a "little" better than this.
>

Obviously the face of an alien from leonid. 8~}


Mike Gay

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Nov 7, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/7/98
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Thank you for correcting me so gently. My posting was inappropriate in
its language and I apologize for it.

What I meant to say was that this group does not exist, as I understand
it, for the discussion of hunting stories. These are not only totally
irrelevant but are also very offensive to some portion of the GPS-user
community, including me.

Joe Mehaffey wrote:

> Hi Mike,


> You are quite welcome on this group, but there is no need for you to
> use foul language here. All of us are quite able to understand your
> comments if you use normal English.

> Thanks
> Joe Mehaffey
>
> Mike Gay wrote:
> >

> > Great! Could you kindly fuck off to a more appropriate group!
> >


phrea...@my-dejanews.com

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Good news indeed! But is this vapor, or has a ship date been announced? I
agree, it's about time somebody slapped garmin, et al around a bit...

In article <71s52l$oe3$1...@whisper.globalserve.net>,

-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
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Mike Gay

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No, the dog's OK. But life hasn't been easy for a boy named Gay, I'll tell you.

My posting was inappropriate and I regret it.

Andrew Kalinowski

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The key words were "It may cool you down" Other than that , let's say I
forgot to include "I wish"

--
Andrew K.

Don't drink and internet!
phrea...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
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Andrew Kalinowski

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Nov 7, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/7/98
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I, for one, think that it's a perfect group for discussing GPS use for
something else than finding the way to a corner store. If you go to the
beginning of the topic, it's exactly what was discussed here until an
untihunter decided to post off topic.
Now, where were we... ah Yep, I'm a hunter and I'm using GM100. One of the
good side of this unit is that it doesn't have any "sticking-out" parts. I
can see say a G12XL being handy in the same fashion, but with G3 I'd be
concerned that a lanyard from my duck call or moose call could catch on the
antenna and rip it off. Mind you, I don't have G3, so I'm only guessing
here.
Any comments (but please stick to the general topic which should be
discussed here)

Also, I would be very interested to here how GPS made your hunt more
interesting? enjoyable? successful?
Haw you found or didn't find your way to camp / scrape / kill / stand


--
Andrew K.

Don't drink and internet and don't piss in my beer!
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John Davis

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Nov 9, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/9/98
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Used my Magellan once to get me back to the truck after I was hopelessly
lost. Brought me within 15 yards. Have also used it to guide me to my
stand in darkness. One time I forgot my flashlight. I got to the area the
GPS said my stand was supposed to be, and couldn't see it. So, I waited for
the first hints of daylight, and behold, I was less than 30 feet from my
stand.

One thing that helps a lot in the woods is to read the bearing off the GPS
and FOLLOW that bearing off a compass as opposed to try to follow the GPS'
bearing. In the thick woods where I hunt, you are moving so slow, that
tracking a GPS bearing is very difficult.

John

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Bob Anderson

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Mike Gay wrote:

> Great! Could you kindly fuck off to a more appropriate group!
>

Would you, Fuck, kindly fuck off to a more appropriate group!


Richard Blackburn

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Nov 9, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/9/98
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Roger,
Put me down as a hunter who is just beginning to use a GPS.
Two weeks ago on an elk hunt in Colorado Rockies, my Garmin 12XL
was critical to finding my way back to camp. I had gotten two
mtns away from camp, and was sitting in a valley late in the
afternoon waiting for the elk to wander down to water. I spotted
movement on a rocky spire and got out the binoculars to find out
that it was a bighorn sheep climbing right up the side of the
rock! Got so entraced that I sat there too long and the sun
began to set. I had marked the camp, so I took bearing and
distance readings from the GPS and started off. Periodically, I
would turn on the GPS and hold my compass over the lighted
display to check my bearing. Made me wonder why the GPS does not
have lighted compass built in? Once I got into the right valley,
the GPS was critical to navigating around streams & bogs and
getting into camp in a timely manner. Yes, I could have done
without it, but I know that it would have taken many more hours,
with lots of false headings into high rock, or bogs.
Now, I am beginning to wonder if 12XL was the best unit for my
needs. Any feedback would be appreciated.

Richard Blackburn
r...@ibm.net-home
NRA Life Member

P.S. "Thank you" to Joe, Jack, Karen N, & all of you on this
group for the great info and ideas which have helped me in the
selection of & use of my Garmin!


rclement wrote:
>
> Hi Stan
> Im using a Garmin 12XL4.02 Ver. & Eagle Map Guide PRO Ver.1.2.They both
> work well for me and the type of hunting I do. With the 12XL I use Waypoint+
> & OziExplore with scanned in topo maps that I did. The MGPro I use the
> program that came with it and OziExplore in fact I just download my
> wapoints & tracks from both to files of a deer hunt I went on this last week
> just got home 3 hours ago. the Garmin III seems to be the big thing on this
> news group I see some GM100s I tried to get one but couldn"t find anyone
> that had them so I got the Eagle MG Pro it doesn"t have Ext. Ant the GM100
> does used it in heavy pines and oaks never had a problem even got locks
> inside camp house.
>
> Roger


> Stanleyj wrote in message <363eeabf...@news.buffnet.net>...
> >If you are, what are you using? What does the real world recommend?
> >
> >Stan

--
Richard T. Blackburn, Sr. Prog. Analyst

John J. Miller

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Nov 9, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/9/98
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In article <364744C7...@carey.cosd.fedex.com>, rtbl...@fedex.com wrote:
>Roger,
> Put me down as a hunter who is just beginning to use a GPS.
>Two weeks ago on an elk hunt in Colorado Rockies, my Garmin 12XL
>was critical to finding my way back to camp. I had gotten two
>mtns away from camp, and was sitting in a valley late in the
>afternoon waiting for the elk to wander down to water. I spotted
>movement on a rocky spire and got out the binoculars to find out
>that it was a bighorn sheep climbing right up the side of the
>rock! Got so entraced that I sat there too long and the sun
>began to set. I had marked the camp, so I took bearing and
>distance readings from the GPS and started off. Periodically, I
>would turn on the GPS and hold my compass over the lighted
>display to check my bearing. Made me wonder why the GPS does not
>have lighted compass built in? Once I got into the right valley,
>the GPS was critical to navigating around streams & bogs and
>getting into camp in a timely manner. Yes, I could have done
>without it, but I know that it would have taken many more hours,
>with lots of false headings into high rock, or bogs.
> Now, I am beginning to wonder if 12XL was the best unit for my
>needs. Any feedback would be appreciated.
>
Why wonder? It sounds like it worked perfectly. I take a 12XL, compass AND
an electronic altimeter with me in the field. Any of them (combined with a
topo) get me back to camp. The compass weighs little and doesn't require
batteries to operate. It sounds like you actually needed a lighter, glowstick
or flashlight.

John J. Miller
jo...@mcdata.com