Any hunters in this group?
Stanleyj
Stan
Dave Hutchinson
Stanleyj wrote:
> If you are, what are you using? What does the real world recommend?
>
> Stan
Stan,
I use a Garmin GPS II+. I have had it in the field for 2 seasons now,
going on a third this year. Configuration is as comes from factory. It
works very well in the flooded timber in Arkansas for duck hunting.
(November through January).
I did take it this year for the first time opening day of squirrel
season while the leaves were still very green and thick. At startup,
it did not like to lock on to sats while I was moving around. I
stopped under thick cover untill it locked. Signal strength was about
half scale on several sats. Once I locked on, I proceed into the
backcountry and all worked very well. I put the GPS in my top pocket
of my coveralls, and it tracked me all over the place. Lots of big
green oak trees and pecan trees, but no probs.
I checked several places I had marked with the GPS last year. One was
where my deer stand usually goes opening day. It "guided" me to about
50 feet from my tree. SA was very "kind" to me that day. I have seen
it however where SA will have you a couple of hundred feet from the
stand.
It is a handy tool to have on you in case you need some emergency
navigation to get out. (Flashlight goes out, you loose your compass,
get disoriented, ect...). I use it to mark all of my deer stands, my
buddies stands, scrapes, ect. I also use it to mark downed game in
backcountry that I am not familiar with, so I can get back to the same
area without loosing game.
I still rely heavily on compass readings while traveling slowly through
the woods. I have found that GPS works very well with moving targets
(ie me walking to the truck), but not well with stationary, or slow
(stalking) ones. Its still a very good tool to have though....just
dont throw that compass away
Dave
Almyra, Arkansas
rclement
Im using a Garmin 12XL4.02 Ver. & Eagle Map Guide PRO Ver.1.2.They both
work well for me and the type of hunting I do. With the 12XL I use Waypoint+
& OziExplore with scanned in topo maps that I did. The MGPro I use the
program that came with it and OziExplore in fact I just download my
wapoints & tracks from both to files of a deer hunt I went on this last week
just got home 3 hours ago. the Garmin III seems to be the big thing on this
news group I see some GM100s I tried to get one but couldn"t find anyone
that had them so I got the Eagle MG Pro it doesn"t have Ext. Ant the GM100
does used it in heavy pines and oaks never had a problem even got locks
inside camp house.
Roger
Stanleyj wrote in message <363eeabf...@news.buffnet.net>...
marcel st laurent
Stanleyj wrote:
> If you are, what are you using? What does the real world recommend?
>
> Stan
I'm using Garmin 40, it's old but more precise than the magellan 2000
David Rosin
until can walk anymore, marking White oaks, rubs, pawed out places. Then
GOTO truck and gives me a bearing ... I'm back at the truck, no extra
walking ... like I said, it is great.
SA (Selective Availability) sucks a big one ... mark a hard wood thicket,
clump shit, hit trees (note I said trees, not saplings) back to camp, and
then up at 5am next morning ...9/10 of a mile in the woods, 21 lb climbing
stand on my back and off for the 9/10 of a mile trek. I'm there, at least
the GPS says I'm there ... no hardwood thicket ... pines all around (it is
pitch black). ... GPS now says the waypoint is 550 ft east, off I trek ...
300 ft ... 100 ft ... I'm there ... no hardwood thicket .. more pines ...
now the GPS says the waypoint is 300 ft south ....I shut the thing off and
wait until day light ... walk 75 feet and put up my stand ... slung three
arrows that day ... one miss, two hits ... nothing with horns though :(
Stanleyj wrote in message <363eeabf...@news.buffnet.net>...
David Rosin
start the track log, start looking .. after a while, check the track log to
see places that I have missed in the pattened search ... like I said in the
first note ... it is great!
Andrew Kalinowski
I'm (not he only) one of them.
I was using Eagle Expedition last year. This year I have Lowrance GM100.
Came back from moose hunt couple of weeks ago. Had my GM100 uploaded with
maps created with OziMC (alpha). Had all the tracks, logging roads, swamps,
rivers, lakes right on the screen! Didn't have to take the printed map out
of the pocket! GM100 didn't fail me once. I carry it in the upper pocked of
my hunting jacket. In there, it keeps the lock very well. Worst case
repeatability I found after analysing plots was in a deep, wooded ravine.
"In" and "out" tracks were briefly separated by about 150 meters. Not really
a surprise taking into the account terrain + foliage + SA + half of the
satellite in possible view covered by my body. Typically I find
repeatability to be within 50 meters. And well under that, if the reference
position was averaged for 15 minutes or more. Most of the features I
converted from last year tracks / Icons and waypoints collected with EEx.
They were smack on this year - I guess continental drift isn't that big
after all ;-))
If you are on the market for GPS, definitely get one with uploadable maps.
It's the greatest leap personal GPS took since 12 channel parallel receiver
came on the market. But, you might want to wait till next year when Garmin
releases theirs. It's a competitive market and I'm sure Garmin will want to
one up Lowrance. In fact, if you are willing to wait, wait till Lowrance
announces their response to upcoming GIII+ from Garmin. Lowrance has a head
start in map uploadable GPS's, so it shouldn't take them long to respond. My
guess - within a month of GIII+ hitting the market.
By the way: I didn't get my moose - must have spent to much time watching my
new toy instead looking out for the beast.
--
Andrew K.
Don't drink and internet!
JTJ
thoroughly impressed!!! Used with a compass, I felt that I couldn't have
gotten separated from the truck if I had to.
I kept the track going from the time we set out in the morning until we
wrapped up at night and was able to ID all the roads we drove, and then
when in the brush, it was a real comfort to know that there is a road
'right over there!'
I also played around a bit with the cross track function. I could see
the truck off in the distance, used the compass to pick the direction,
entered the direction and a swag for mileage and figured that if I kept
my cross track to a minimum, I'd have to stumble across the rig
eventually. It worked.
Remember, carry spare batteries!
JT
dbar...@synapse.net
having started with a Garmin 75 several years ago. My guide, found at
http://www.synapse.net/~dbartlett/gpsutm.htm was written on the basis of my
hunting and fishing experience.
In article <363eeabf...@news.buffnet.net>,
stan...@buffnet.net wrote:
> If you are, what are you using? What does the real world recommend?
>
> Stan
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stan...@buffnet.net (Stanleyj) wrote:
>If you are, what are you using? What does the real world recommend?
>
>Stan
I've been using the eagle explorer for well over a year in
New Mexico mostly down in the Gila National Forest and I
haven't had a single complaint whether in the thick ponderosa
woods or even down in deep canyons. Although once I didn't get
a fix until I moved it about 6 inches and then all the satelites
were there. It has saved me several long walks back to the truck
or camp. IMHO it works extremely well.
Bruce...
Jon Jone
1. If the animal is to be used for food.
2. If the animal is trying to eat you and you are defending yourself.
Other than this, how can any normal person with feelings and morals derive
pleasure from killing harmless defenceless animals for sport.
Surely there are better things to use a GPS for.
Stanleyj <stan...@buffnet.net> wrote in article
<363eeabf...@news.buffnet.net>...
Dwight Pugh
Garmin 12XL. I used the topo maps to setup my general search areas. Things
like saddles, ridges, funneling areas. I then print out the topo map with
waypoints noted. I then download the waypoints into my 12. I then use the
topo printout and GPS (watch out for SA) to scout. As a search the areas, if
I found new areas, I save the waypoint and later add it to my FUGAWI
waypoint list for that area. The SA prevents you from finding a specific
tree. I use the compass to zero in on a specific area from a distance. I
will also use waypoints that our directly in line but beyond the area I'm
looking for. This keeps SA from causing me all kinds of problems as I get
close to the destination.
PS: I have an external antenna that I Velcro to the hat and I keep my GPS
on all the time.
I hope this helps.
Stanleyj <stan...@buffnet.net> wrote in message
363eeabf...@news.buffnet.net...
Randy Hartley
Jon Jone wrote in message <01be064f$35029fa0$d2a06ccb@default>...
>There are two valid reasons to hunt and kill animals
>
>1. If the animal is to be used for food.
>
>2. If the animal is trying to eat you and you are defending yourself.
>
>Other than this, how can any normal person with feelings and morals derive
>pleasure from killing harmless defenceless animals for sport.
>
>Surely there are better things to use a GPS for.
>
>
>
>Stanleyj <stan...@buffnet.net> wrote in article
><363eeabf...@news.buffnet.net>...
Lawrence R Glickman
It's called population control.
Letting animals proliferate unchecked can and does result in their
overgrazing and destruction of their food supply. Then, if population is
not controlled, they starve and succumb to disease. Since we have
eliminated many *natural* predators, humans now have to take their place
e.g. coyote / white tail deer ).
If hunters don't cull the herds, then dept of conservation personnel have to
( no revenue from that !)
my 3 cents.
flames welcome. I don't care. These are the facts like it or not.
--
Larry
lgli...@ameritech.net
A fracturing neutron star is a terrible thing to waste
Andrew Kalinowski
a hypocrite?
Don't bother unswerving. Lets quickly bring Hitler out of the closet and
kill this branch of the tread - it doesn't belong in this NG, unless you
want to share with us what GPS's animal right activists use.
Andrew K.
Bum1518908
>pleasure from killing harmless defenceless animals for sport.
how about to keep the population down so deer and other animals don't cause
death and destruction on the highways? I know a person that hit four deer in a
three month period driving to work, she eventually had to undergo therapy to
deal with the fear of driving a car.
dan
don't go anywhere your gaurdian angel is not allowed to go.
remove "none" to reply email
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Bob Fry
like to hunt, others don't...such wonderful Diversity! Let's
Celebrate it! That's the Liberal line, right?
--
Bob Fry r...@jps.net
Joe Mehaffey
Yes! And we are demonstrating that DIVERSITY (left unchecked) leads to
social unrest, discontent, and leads to a general unraveling of social
cohesiveness on which our "melting pot" country was based.
I am afraid we may become the BALKANS of the new world.
Diversity is only a good idea in the lunch menu.
Joe Mehaffey
--
For ANSWERS to a variety of your GPS RELATED QUESTIONS see:
http://joe.mehaffey.com
anon...@hotmail.com
embracing it. you can say or be anything you want in theory, and as
long as you don't hurt anybody else or damage their property, so be
it. doesn't mean you get things to be the way you want unless that's
how most of us feel.
for all it's problems, that basic concept of that freedom contained in
the constitution has kept us on top of the heap for quite a while.
i hope i never live to see the day when we throw it away because some
subset of us decides we know better.
doesn't mean i like "how" things are...
please forgive the off topic post.
On Tue, 03 Nov 1998 04:25:38 GMT, Joe Mehaffey <j...@mehaffey.com>
wrote:
Soren Svensson
> anon...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > the whole point of this country is not controlling DIVERSITY but
> > embracing it.
>
> ELIMINATE social diversity. Social diversity CREATES SOCIAL UNREST and
> unhappiness in "whoever" thinks "his group" is being screwed. Notice
I'm sure this is flame bait, but I have to ask. Are you insane?
/Soren
Stanleyj
hunt for food, and I only make a kill if I'm being attacked, I
promise!
Stan
Joe Mehaffey
>
> the whole point of this country is not controlling DIVERSITY but
> embracing it.
I don't think we should CONTROL or EMBRACE diversity, but rather
ELIMINATE social diversity. Social diversity CREATES SOCIAL UNREST and
unhappiness in "whoever" thinks "his group" is being screwed. Notice
how the French Canadians want to secede from the rest of Canada? If
they had been properly integrated into Canadian society, this would not
be happening! Same for the Balkans. Notice how great "diversity" has
been for them!
> You can say or be anything you want in theory, and as long as you
> don't hurt anybody else or damage their property, so be it.
Have you told any ethnic Jokes lately at the office? There was an
article about someone getting fired because he told a "Polack joke" and
someone was offended. We are now a society of thin skinned victims.
> doesn't mean you get things to be the way you want unless that's
> how most of us feel.
And THAT is FREEDOM???
>
> for all it's problems, that basic concept of that freedom contained in
> the constitution has kept us on top of the heap for quite a while.
Yes: It is too bad we are losing so many freedoms daily. I used to be
free to live a) without profanity on the TV/Radio, b) without fear of
getting fired for accidently insulting someone, c) without fear of
going to jail for disciplining my child, d) without fear that my
President could lie before a Federal Grand Jury without getting tossed
out, e) without fear of getting shot if I drove in downtown Atlanta at
night, f) without fear that I might be prevented from cultivating my
own land because somebody found it to be a "cricket habitat" or some
such silly notion. I could go on and on but I don't want to bore you.
> i hope i never live to see the day when we throw it away because some
> subset of us decides we know better.
I don't want to throw the US Constitution AWAY. I want us to go back to
its original intent!
Joe Mehaffey
(sorry for the off topic excursion, but you rang my bell that time!)
Joe Mehaffey
Joe
Soren Svensson wrote:
>
> In article <363FAE58...@mehaffey.com>, j...@mehaffey.com says...
> > anon...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > the whole point of this country is not controlling DIVERSITY but
> > > embracing it.
> >
> > I don't think we should CONTROL or EMBRACE diversity, but rather
> > ELIMINATE social diversity. Social diversity CREATES SOCIAL UNREST and
> > unhappiness in "whoever" thinks "his group" is being screwed. Notice
>
Joe Mehaffey
You are exactly right. I must be Insane. I don't want people to think
of themselves as Black, White, Indian, Poor, Rich, Moslem,
Protestant, Jew, Sexually Harassed, Gay, etc. I think identifying
and amplifying our differences like these is divisive and hurtful to the
country.
I have the Insane Idea that we would ALL be better off if we thought of
ourselves as AMERICANS! I think having "social and political
diversity" in the above sense is INSANE, so I must be also.
Joe
--
anon...@hotmail.com
wrote:
>anon...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>> the whole point of this country is not controlling DIVERSITY but
>> embracing it.
>
>I don't think we should CONTROL or EMBRACE diversity, but rather
>ELIMINATE social diversity. Social diversity CREATES SOCIAL UNREST and
>unhappiness in "whoever" thinks "his group" is being screwed. Notice
>how the French Canadians want to secede from the rest of Canada? If
>they had been properly integrated into Canadian society, this would not
>be happening! Same for the Balkans. Notice how great "diversity" has
>been for them!
>
Can you define "diversity" as you use it? I'd like to understand how
you intend the term.
I can readily think of several examples of a group feeling they were
"being screwed" when in fact they were. And IMHO, they had a right to
complain and do something about it within the social
fabric...demonstartions, court cases, strikes, ok...terrorist type
activities such as bombings etc, definitely not ok. The civiil rights
movement of the 60s is one example.
>> You can say or be anything you want in theory, and as long as you
>> don't hurt anybody else or damage their property, so be it.
>
>Have you told any ethnic Jokes lately at the office? There was an
>article about someone getting fired because he told a "Polack joke" and
>someone was offended. We are now a society of thin skinned victims.
>
I only tell ethnic jokes to people I know well, and who know me well.
Without knowing the full circumstances, I can't judge the firing. If
it was the "final straw" in a recurring pattern of racial insults, in
which the employee had been informed that some of his/her peers found
it offensive, then it was probably justified. If it was an isolated
incident or the result of the first complaint against the employee,
then IMO, it was wrong to fire the employee.
>> doesn't mean you get things to be the way you want unless that's
>> how most of us feel.
>And THAT is FREEDOM???
no that is democracy. The majority decide. Freedom means that we don't
make rules infringing an individual's personal rights to do what they
want in areas where the behavior doesn't affect other individuals
rights. Doesn't always work so well, but what we have is the closest
to that ideal I've seen.
>>
>> for all it's problems, that basic concept of that freedom contained in
>> the constitution has kept us on top of the heap for quite a while.
>Yes: It is too bad we are losing so many freedoms daily. I used to be
>free to live a) without profanity on the TV/Radio, b) without fear of
>getting fired for accidently insulting someone, c) without fear of
>going to jail for disciplining my child, d) without fear that my
>President could lie before a Federal Grand Jury without getting tossed
>out, e) without fear of getting shot if I drove in downtown Atlanta at
>night, f) without fear that I might be prevented from cultivating my
>own land because somebody found it to be a "cricket habitat" or some
>such silly notion. I could go on and on but I don't want to bore you.
>> i hope i never live to see the day when we throw it away because some
>> subset of us decides we know better.
>I don't want to throw the US Constitution AWAY. I want us to go back to
>its original intent!
>
>Joe Mehaffey
>(sorry for the off topic excursion, but you rang my bell that time!)
My first post was because you rang mine although a large part of this
may be because I am "hearing" things you don't intend.
"Diversity" by my definition is a good thing. I'd use individualism as
a synonym for diversity and I like being able to be who I want to be,
think how I want to think and express those opinions in a lawful
manner. I like choices and accept that means giving the same freedom
to others who will make choices I don't like.
I'd like to take any other dialog on this to e mail to avoid abusing
the intent of the newsgroup. If anyone would like to join such a
discussion, send me an e mail and I'll include the addresses in
anything I send on this.
A reply to this via the newgroup by Joe, would IMHO, be only fair as
I have no right to post "publically" and ask that rebuttals/replies
not be "public".
Jon Jone
preserve human life, I can't argue with it.
Bum1518908 <bum15...@aol.comnone> wrote in article
<19981102113557...@ng10.aol.com>...
Bob Bruneau
Joe Mehaffey wrote:
> [snip]
> I don't want to throw the US Constitution AWAY. I want us to go back to
> its original intent!
>
> Joe Mehaffey
> (sorry for the off topic excursion, but you rang my bell that time!)
Bless you, Joe. That makes two of us. And much of the damage has been done
by activist judges who seem to think, somehow, that they're part of the
legislative branch.
Bob
John Davis
cover. I think you would be OK with just about anything that is 12 parallel
channel.
John
Stanleyj wrote in message <363eeabf...@news.buffnet.net>...
Jim Springer
it is any ones business but yours as long as it wasnt my cock roach.
>Yes, this would be a valid reason, if the hunters true motivation is to
>preserve human life, I can't argue with it.
>> >ther than this, how can any normal person with feelings and morals
derive
>> >pleasure from killing harmless defenceless animals for sport.
>>
>> how about to keep the population down so deer and other animals don't
cause
>> death and destruction on the highways? I know a person that hit four deer
in a
>> three month period driving to work, she eventually had to undergo therapy
to
>> deal with the fear of driving a car
x-no-archive: yes
Chuck Followers
no one really believes that the "average" hunter stalks his prey for
either food or "concern" for over-population. This is really stretching
the bounds of honesty, in my opinion. The concern for overpopulation is
real, but the citing of it as a major reason that the "average" guy
enjoys hunting is absurd. I am a southerner, and hunting is in the air
down here. Heck, I just ate wild deer a few days ago. I was given my
first rifle at the age of nine. We hunt because it is available for us
to do so, it is exhilarating, sometimes challenging, sometimes just
target practice, but always fun to relive our primitive past by
"bringing down" the great beast, and feeding the tribe. The only thing
is that there aren't very many true beasts left, and our family is much
better provided for at the local grocer. I see no problem whatsoever
with humanely killing game in, otherwise, over-populated areas. But
let's not kid each other, fellows; we don't do it for the sake of the
animal, that's just an after-thought....or maybe just a rationalization.
Of course these are just my own opinions (goes without saying). I just
think that hunting is done in the pursuit of pleasure, rather than for
some noble cause, or to save some poor lady from thousands of dollars
worth of therapy bills. :-)
C.T.
Soren Svensson
> Hi Soren,
> You are exactly right. I must be Insane. I don't want people to think
> of themselves as Black, White, Indian, Poor, Rich, Moslem,
> Protestant, Jew, Sexually Harassed, Gay, etc. I think identifying
> and amplifying our differences like these is divisive and hurtful to the
> country.
>
> I have the Insane Idea that we would ALL be better off if we thought of
> ourselves as AMERICANS! I think having "social and political
> diversity" in the above sense is INSANE, so I must be also.
I agree with that part, but it's a very small slice of social diversity.
Do you also think everyone should drive the same car, wear the same
clothes, listen to the same music, etc, etc?
/Soren
Mike Gay
Joe Mehaffey
No. And I never heard anyone suggest before that having the law STOP
RECOGNIZING "special classes of people" would ultimately result in us
all having to have the same cars, listen to the same music, etc. Now
who is dropping neurons? The big problem is: If we think of ourselves
as BLACK/WHITE, ASIAN, HISPANICS, etc., then we are not going to ever
become AMERICANS! We need to end the idea that amplifying and
glorifying our differences is the way to go. Just the opposite is true
if we want an integrated cohesive society with less strife. We all know
that if kids fail to learn good English (in the USA) then they *in all
liklihood will end up second class citizens. Therefore I have this
crazy idea that educating immigrant children in their "native" tongue is
contrary to their and the country's best interests.
This is *thankfully* my last comment on this topic.
Joe
Joe Mehaffey
You are quite welcome on this group, but there is no need for you to
use foul language here. All of us are quite able to understand your
comments if you use normal English.
Thanks
Joe Mehaffey
Tom Werry
>You are quite welcome on this group, but there is no need for you to
>use foul language here. All of us are quite able to understand your
>comments if you use normal English.
>> Could you kindly fuck off to a more appropriate group!
Heh heh ! Kinda funny the way you repeated his use of foul language
in your post, Joe. Kinda evens the score.
Reminds me of the old school-marm railing at the students - "Now boys
- just because HE said it, you don't have to repeat it!".
I know you post a lot of stuff here as it seems to be your business,
Joe, but do you mind terribly please not to use "I" & "WE" & "ALL OF
US" as if you were the spokesperson for this newsgroup?
As an alternative, you could try to get this NG changed to a moderated
group, and get yourself appointed moderator.
I think enough here would agree that the occasional fuck would be
found not totally unappreciated.
(BTW, I agree with Mike - the guy can fuck off to a more appropriate
group!)
Regards,Tom Werry gpsnav at pacific dot net dot sg
Programmer's Logic: Press ENTER to exit. (laugh now, here)