arctic ice death spiral

[enigma]

Arctic warms to highest level yet as researchers fear tipping points

Jeremy Hance
mongabay.com

February 13, 2012

http://news.mongabay.com/2012/0213-hance_arctic_tippingpoints.html

[I-Practically-Invented-The-Internet]

http://neven1.typepad.com/blog/2012/02/bering-the-load.html?cid=6a0133f03a1e37970b0167623d4067970b
Get real looser, the crab fishermen can't get out to crab because there is
too much ice.........................Do you ever wish that you could grow
up? or do you enjoy being a perpetual
child.........................................

"enigma" <enigm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b3a28084-2f8c-407e...@18g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...

[Tunderbar]

oops....

http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=02&fd=10&fy=1979&sm=02&sd=10&sy=2012

It's still there....

[Dean Dark]

On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:33:59 -0500, Jim "Closet Gay, Individual
Serving Size Corningware Expert, World Class Bullshit Artist, Lousy
Father, Cuckold, Paranoid and All-Round Asshole" Howarth, of Hazlet,
NJ <fisherm...@comcast.net> sat in the corner of his dirty, dark
bedroom in his smelly little home, whimpering and licking his wounds,
wishing hard that he'd stayed in school and paid more attention, but
he tugged on his diseased little pee-pee anyway, and this dribbled
out:

>Get real looser,

Get real looser *what*, Jim?

Looser bowels? A looser fitting pair of panties?

God, you're so fucking dumb and stupid that it's almost like you're
doing it on purpose. It must really suck to be you.

[I-Practically-Invented-The-Internet]

It must really suck to have no family, friends or nothing better to do with
ones time, than to follow me around the
internet................................

yippi

[Speedbump]

On Feb 13, 2:31 pm, Tunderbar <tdcom...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 13, 4:04 pm, enigma <enigma_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Arctic warms to highest level yet as researchers fear tipping points
>
> > Jeremy Hance
> > mongabay.com
>
> > February 13, 2012
>
> >http://news.mongabay.com/2012/0213-hance_arctic_tippingpoints.html
>
> oops....
>

> http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=02&fd=10&fy=1979...
>
> It's still there....

Hey fucker it is still winter you jackass. Try looking at this in
september moron

[Speedbump]

On Feb 13, 4:31 pm, "I-Practically-Invented-The-Internet"

Try this link you jerk

http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=09&fd=10&fy=1979&sm=09&sd=10&sy=2011

[Dean Dark]

On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:31:17 -0800, Jim "Closet Gay, Individual

Serving Size Corningware Expert, World Class Bullshit Artist, Lousy
Father, Cuckold, Paranoid and All-Round Asshole" Howarth, of Hazlet,
NJ <fisherm...@comcast.net> sat in the corner of his dirty, dark
bedroom in his smelly little home, whimpering and licking his wounds,
wishing hard that he'd stayed in school and paid more attention, but
he tugged on his diseased little pee-pee anyway, and this dribbled
out:

>It must really suck to have no family, friends or nothing better to do with

It must *really* suck to have not made it far enough through
elementary school to have learned that 'lose' is a verb and 'loose' is
an adjective with an entirely different meaning.

But, I guess that's par for the course for a bitter clinger like you.

[matt_sykes]

When there will be more ice than in previous years you mean? Want a
bet on it? 50 euros I say ice cover wont drop to the lowest level.
Want to take me up or are you scared?

[matt_sykes]

Thats right, after all the arctic has NEVER been as warm as today at
anoy point in the past has it. Surely if it WAS it would have gone
past a tipping point and not come back!

[Tunderbar]

Good point. Tipping points appear to only exist in the future. LOL.

[Tunderbar]

So it's only warming in september? Really? LOL.

[matt_sykes]

Yeah, after all, one month of data is all it takes to bring the world
to an end.

[Regnad Kcin]

"Speedbump" <travelin...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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____________________________________________________________

In AGW, there IS NO WINTER! [and dropping the F bomb does not aid in
supporting your fallacious BS argument.]


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[Regnad Kcin]

"Speedbump" <travelin...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:72efc29e-d3b1-467b...@k10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...

____________________________________________________________

Anecdotal evidence is not evidence.
Seasonal and long term variations have happened in the past and continue to
this day.
Deal with it. You can't make a valid case on the limited data they have.

[Tunderbar]

On Feb 14, 12:17 pm, "Regnad Kcin" <nau...@again.net> wrote:
> "Speedbump" <travelingman95...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>
> news:ac399450-7966-4ce6...@h3g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 13, 2:31 pm, Tunderbar <tdcom...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 13, 4:04 pm, enigma <enigma_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Arctic warms to highest level yet as researchers fear tipping points
>
> > > Jeremy Hance
> > > mongabay.com
>
> > > February 13, 2012
>
> > >http://news.mongabay.com/2012/0213-hance_arctic_tippingpoints.html
>
> > oops....
>
> >http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=02&fd=10&fy=1979...
>
> > It's still there....
>
> Hey fucker it is still winter you jackass.  Try looking at this in
> september moron

Ok idiot. Just as soon as you explain why that makes a difference and
why a snap shot thirty years apart in February shows little or no ice
loss.

[Dawlish]

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> - Show quoted text -

How many times do you have to make an idiot of yourself over this? A
snapshot of February ice in 2100 will not show an immense amount of
difference to 1979, never mind February 2012. February in the Arctic
is bloody cold. It was in 1979, it is now and it will be at the end of
this century. The sea will be frozen in February 2100, as it is frozen
now. It always been frozen in human history in February and it very
probably probably always will be. The fact that you don't understand
why that happens is a problem of yours; no-one else's.

September, however, is a very different time of year and there is
*highly likely* to be no ice in the Arctic in September 2100 and there
won't have been for at least 50 years. The reason will have been
global warming and the cause of that will, very probably, have been
anthropomorphic CO2.

[Regnad Kcin]

"Dawlish" <pjg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

[There is a logical fallacy to your statements then. If, as you say, "It

always been frozen in human history in February and it very probably

probably always will be", then there is absolutely NO possibility of a
runaway greenhouse effect which is exactly what the start of this AGW BS is
ALL about. Now you are changing that assertion!
The only thing reasonable people can derive from such a bogus argument is
that you are wrong. Plain and simple. Using Occams razor, plain & simple is
the most likely. Like it or not you have less proof and data on your side.
You are trying to predict something that has never happened on Earth
throughout its history and you are supposed to be the demi-god superior
beings that say it is and then say to all of us "You damn well WILL OBEY us
or we will KILL YOU".
Well piss off! Punk!]

September, however, is a very different time of year and there is
*highly likely* to be no ice in the Arctic in September 2100 and there
won't have been for at least 50 years. The reason will have been
global warming and the cause of that will, very probably, have been
anthropomorphic CO2.

[Your "probably" is a surmise that has no basis in fact. The reasons for any
global warming are not yet known other than it is believe to be Solar Cycle
derived. Proof? Simple. Look at the planetary probe data and you see the
same effect on other planets. You can't blame CO2 for that. You are NO KIND
of Scientist.]

[AGWFacts]

On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:31:19 -0800 (PST), Tunderbar
<tdco...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 13, 4:04 pm, enigma <enigma_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Arctic warms to highest level yet as researchers fear tipping points
> >
> > Jeremy Hance
> > mongabay.com
> >
> > February 13, 2012
> >
> > http://news.mongabay.com/2012/0213-hance_arctic_tippingpoints.html

"Last year the Arctic, which is warming faster than anywhere else
on Earth due to global climate change, experienced its warmest
twelve months yet."

> http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=02&fd=10&fy=1979&sm=02&sd=10&sy=2012
>
> It's still there....

Idiot.


--
"I am not ignorant simply because I choose to believe one
theory over another." -- Madison Murphy

[George152]

On 2/15/2012 10:11 AM, Regnad Kcin wrote:
>
> [Your "probably" is a surmise that has no basis in fact. The reasons
> for any global warming are not yet known other than it is believe to
> be Solar Cycle derived. Proof? Simple. Look at the planetary probe
> data and you see the same effect on other planets. You can't blame CO2
> for that. You are NO KIND of Scientist.]
>

Dawlish is a little old funny man in a cardigan and carpet slippers.
Retarded from teaching I'd guess

[Regnad Kcin]

"George152" <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote in message

hehe... OK. =]:o)

[Tunderbar]

cherry picking LOL

[Repubs Lost Unpaid Wars]

Better than being a rightwinger school aged dropout at the age of 12
like you.

[Regnad Kcin]

"Repubs Lost Unpaid Wars" <walter_...@post.com> wrote in message

________________________________________________________________

Ha!
As yet another BS erroneous *assumption* by our own "Progreeeeesive" NG-FNT
poster: RLUW-Walter-WTF.

Oh, It's OK Walter, you can go play with Michelle now.
I'm sure she will only make you eat your vegetables...
[at the point of a gun!] LOL!
Don't mind the Federal Marshals there to Inspect your Lunch Pail!
Don't turn pale! They might Shoot you!
=]:o)

[Repubs Lost Unpaid Wars]

On Feb 13, 5:33 pm, "I-Practically-Invented-The-Internet"
<fishermans.c...@comcast.net> wrote:
> http://neven1.typepad.com/blog/2012/02/bering-the-load.html?cid=6a013...

> Get real looser, the crab fishermen can't get out to crab because there is
> too much ice.........................Do you ever wish that you could grow
> up? or do you enjoy being a perpetual
> child.........................................

So is the claim true or a lie? Which is it?

[Unum]

It must be tough to be a troll when everyone knows that he
is James F. Howarth, of 10 W. Susan St., Hazlet NJ 07730,
whose home phone number is (732) 264-7879.

[kym]

Straw man alert.

It seems to be a bit of a myth that a "tipping point" always involves
irreversibility or "unable to
return to given state by any circuitous route whatever".

It may. Or it may not.

The usual usages do not -- simply that one stable state is changed to
another stable state, usually
"suddenly".

Even "irreversibility" in the classic reductionist sense doesn't
dictate that a state becomes forever unreachable --
just that if A -> B is irreversible then we can't have B -> A.

Another thing to watch out for is 1d thinking. When it comes to the
"environment" it just doesn't do to imagine (loosest possible sense of
the technical term, given the context) a "state" consists of a single
variable -- e.g. temperature.

Finally, there is little that a mass extinction or other planet-
killing event can't reset the clock to zero.

Of course they are the things some of us are trying to avoid and
others deny are possible.

--
[Feel the meta-evidence, Luke:]
The great thing about science is that once you understand it you tend
to defend it, especially against pretenders to science like the agw
activists here and at various institutions like the CRU, GISS, Penn
State and against political activists at the IPCC and Greenpeace.
-- Tunderbar <tdco...@gmail.com>, 8 Jul 2011 11:05 -0700 (PDT)

[kym]

On Feb 15, 9:31 am, George152 <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:
...

> Dawlish is a little old funny man in a cardigan and carpet slippers.
> Retarded from teaching I'd guess

Guess?

Project much?

--
[Thanking backers of a $16 bn gas project for deciding to go ahead:]
The millions of dollars in state royalties this project will generate
will
help bolster the state's economic recovery after the devastating
floods. At
times like this we need to be able to look to the future with hope and
optimism and the LNG industry will play an important part in our
State's
recovery from this flood crisis.
-- Qld Prem Bligh, 13 Jan 2011

[matt_sykes]

> -- Tunderbar <tdcom...@gmail.com>, 8 Jul 2011 11:05 -0700 (PDT)

So you admit it has beenwarmer at the north pole before, that the ice
was much reduced or gone entirely and that as it got colder it
returned.


So whats the problem if it does the same thing now?

[AGWFacts]

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:54:11 -0700, AGWFacts <AGWF...@ipcc.org>
wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:31:19 -0800 (PST), Tunderbar
> <tdco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 13, 4:04 pm, enigma <enigma_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Arctic warms to highest level yet as researchers fear tipping points
> > >
> > > Jeremy Hance
> > > mongabay.com
> > >
> > > February 13, 2012
> > >
> > > http://news.mongabay.com/2012/0213-hance_arctic_tippingpoints.html
>
> "Last year the Arctic, which is warming faster than anywhere else
> on Earth due to global climate change, experienced its warmest
> twelve months yet."
>
> > http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=02&fd=10&fy=1979&sm=02&sd=10&sy=2012
> >
> > It's still there....
>
> Idiot.

See? Amazing.