Thursday, January 19, 2006
By Matt King
Morgan Hill - After 32 years as an outcast, Jim Berkland knows the scientific
community will never accept his theories.
Berkland has been laughed out of the U.S. Geological Survey. His public
prediction of the devastating 1989 Loma Prieta quake earned him a two-month
suspension from his job as Santa Clara County geologist. Now 76, Berkland passes
his retirement predicting quakes in his monthly newsletter for a devoted
audience of hundreds, ignored by geophysicists whose work is taken seriously.
"I don't care anymore," Berkland said from his Glen Ellen home. "They're
irrelevant. I know what happens to people who go out of the mainstream. I always
tell people, don't be afraid to challenge the authority because the authority
may be wrong."
And Berkland is definitely out of the mainstream, and after years of trying, he
has found a biographer to tell his story and explain just how the moon can tell
us when an earthquake is coming, and cats and dogs can tip us off to where it's
going to occur.
The author is Cal Orey, a northern California writer with a lifelong fascination
of earthquakes and an affinity for animals. Her "The Man Who Predicts
Earthquakes" is a defense of Berkland's maverick theories and an appreciation of
people and animals so in tune with the Earth they can predict its movements.
In fact, since she first met Berkland in 1982, Orey has come to believe that her
pets know when a temblor is coming, and that she herself can predict quakes as
far away as Japan.
"I've always been an earthquake enthusiast and had phobias and anxieties about
earthquakes," she said in a recent interview. "When I was 16, my woodshop
teacher tagged me Earthquake Annie. I thought the Pacific Ocean was going to
spill over the hills and drown us all."
So far, it hasn't, but even mainstream scientists still fear that "the big one"
could destroy the state's levee system and leave California under water, but the
business of predicting quakes is a lot more art than science.
"The Holy Grail of earthquake seismology is the ability to predict them," said
San Jose State University Geology Professor Jonathan Miller. "And certainly
anyone who has had any kind of success will get noticed. I wouldn't want to bank
on his predictions, but at the same time, there has been some work to see if
there are some less traditional ways we might go about predicting earthquakes."
Berkland's odds are helped by some 5,000 quakes that shake California each year.
People can feel about 200 of those.
Berkland claims to have called three out of every four quakes to hit California
since 1974. He says that full and new moons cause tidal patterns that in turn
cause most earthquakes, and that household pets have an uncanny sense of
impending disruptions in the Earth's crust. Simply counting ads for lost pets in
newspapers is a good way to know if a quake is imminent, he says.
That's how he knew the 7.1 Loma Prieta quake, which killed about 65 people and
caused the Cypress freeway to collapse in the East Bay and a conflagration in
San Francisco's Marina district, was coming sometime during the 1989 Bay Bridge
World Series between the Oakland Athletics and San Francisco Giants. On Oct. 12,
1989, Berkland called The Dispatch to warn people to be ready for it.
"I thought, I have to tell somebody, the [San Jose] Mercury News had gone deadly
silent on earthquakes," he said.
A short item ran in the Oct. 13 Dispatch, and four days later, the quake hit.
Berkland was in his county office at the time.
"For two seconds I was elated - 'I got my quake!' - but then I didn't want any
part of it," he recalled. "I thought the building was going to come down. It was
bouncing and shifting and quaking, all three at once."
In the days following the quake, Berkland was all over the news.
He thought his work was finally going to be accepted by other geologists, but
his public statements worked against him. He was suspended for two months for
scaring people and predicting quakes on county time.
"After 15 years of being laughed at and smeared, I thought this was finally
going to make them pay attention," he said. "I was blown away."
Berkland retired in 1994 and continues to be a voice in the wilderness. Andy
Michael, a geophysicist with the USGS in Menlo Park said his agency has "never
been able to find any support for his claims. "Michael said that Berkland
predicts so many quakes that he's bound to be right on occasion.
"Based on the moon, he makes a prediction of something to happen every month,"
Michael said. "There are studies of lunar tides that show you can find an
extremely small effect, but it's not large enough to be useful. The literature
goes back decades."
As for Berkland's correlation between missing pets and earthquakes, Michael said
it was disproved in a quasi-scientific experiment he conducted with his
"We picked 10 earthquakes in the Bay Area and counted lost animal ads," Michael
said. "They always looked exactly the same. The number of lost animal ads didn't
Orey called the USGS narrow-minded and unwilling to look at what she and
Berkland see as overwhelming anecdotal evidence.
"With the tsunami, Berkland's theories finally came together," she said,
referring to the Dec. 26, 2004 quake that killed almost 300,000 people in
Southeast Asia. "The quake hit on a full moon. So many animals lived because
they headed for higher ground and so many people died."
Looking back, Orey remembers her own pets sensed the Loma Prieta temblor and she
now says that she's detected her own ability to predict quakes.
"I never knew earthquake sensitivities existed until I did the research," Orey
said. "I am earthquake sensitive. If you really practice, it works. I get left
ear tones and that tells me there will be an earthquake off shore of northern
California. If I have a faint ear tone, there will be an earthquake in Japan or
the underwater area. I had a migraine the day of Loma Prieta."
A Prediction in Writing
This item originally appeared in The Dispatch Oct. 13, 1989:
"While the Bay Area is rumbling with excitement over the first-ever Bay Bridge
World Series, the Earth may be putting on a show. A county geologist is
predicting an earthquake to hit the Bay Area anytime from tomorrow to the 21st
of October. It will be the "World Series Quake," according to Santa Clara County
geologist Jim Berkland. The temblor, he predicts, could be anywhere from
3.5-to-6.0 on the Richter Scale. Berkland is basing his prediction on the
unusual gravitational pull of the Moon and Earth."
Berkland's predicts week-long windows for quakes, based on phases of the moon,
with a given radius of his predicted epicenter. His next window is from Jan. 27
through Feb. 3, with a quake expected within 140 miles of Mt. Diablo, in the
Other quakes predicted by Berkland:
- Coyote Lake quake Aug. 6, 1979
- Livermore quake Jan. 24, 1980
- Morgan Hill quake April 24, 1984
- Hollister quake Feb. 20, 1988
- East Gilroy quake Jan. 15, 1993
- Napa quake Sept. 3, 2000
It looks like he has a better track record at predictions than Brian.
Please note that I take no responsibility for the content of this article.
I only predict that if things don't change, they will stay as they are.
You don't know very much about Jim Berklands prediction method, so I
don't think you are qualified to judge Brian's method against anyone
else. Besides, he's only been doing his work for about three months,
hardly comparable to a geologist who has been at it for more than
With the exception of site specific predictions, Jim uses something
close to "cast the net" and see "what comes in" sort of method. He
uses radius' of 140 miles around Seattle, SF and LA for 3.5 or greater
earthquakes. I know him personally and I also have followed his work
very closely. Since Loma Prieta in 1989 he is actually 1/3rd short of
where he was prior to. That's because after Loma Prieta the Bay Area
went totally dead for years and is now on the verge of coming to life
I like Jim very much and I support the work he does if for no other
reason it keeps earthquake prediction in the spotlight so no one
forgets it is still possible. He is a wonderful person, a great
friend, a good family man and so much more.
I don't know Brian that well; but I believe he is honest, hard working,
very interested in science and probably a real fun guy.
And he demonstrates no particular skill in predicting quakes of any kind. He
has a 1/4th chance of predicting basically any remotely noticeable quake in
California with his monthly week-long windows. His sets of monthly
predictions are set up to produce a 100% chance of a hit for at least one of
them somewhere in the world.
I could care less what kind of person he is. His forecasts are of no value
and he is misleading the public.
It's truly disturbing that the critical thinking skills of the public are so
poor this guy has an enormous, clueless, almost cult-like fan base.
A quote on would-be earthquake predictors: "A few such persons are
mentally unbalanced; but most of them are sane - at least in the
clinical or legal sense, since they are not dangerous, and are not
running around with bombs or guns. What ails them is exaggerated ego
plus imperfect or ineffective education, so that they have not absorbed
one of the fundamental rules of science - self-criticism. Their wish
for attention distorts their perception of facts, and sometimes leads
them on into actual lying."
This was Charles Richter, speaking 30 years ago in the wake of the
Palmdale Bulge debacle. (Everyone knows the "fools and charlatans"
quote, but this one, from a private memo, is my personal favorite.)
It is amazing--truly uncanny, not to mention depressing--how much his
words from 30+ years ago still rings true to the modern ear.
I would like to make a point from what I believe is a learned point of
view; one not biased by being a scientist. And when I say what I'm
about to say, it does not mean at all that I have any lack of respect
for scientists or the work they do.
For six years I have studied the behavioral patterns of scientists and
yes, they do have some. One is quick to understand that it is truly
rare for anyone to write a paper on an original idea. I don't think
I've seen one that does not include borrowing from many others in the
process. So somewhere in there amidst the borrowing is one more
persons point of view. There's plenty more about which I don't care
to elaborate on at this point in time.
If you create a stigma regarding something such is the case of
earthquake prediction it ends up going underground or squelchs the
desire for one to undertake such endeavor for they will be chastised by
their colleagues, labeled and eventually unemployed. I had thoughts
many years ago that this could not be undertaken by anyone who wasn't
retired and pretty much Keilis-Borok is exactly the profile of the
individual I imagined.
Science may seem to be for a changing world, except the part that jumps
up every now and then and kills people who just so happen to live in
buildings near fault lines. My favorite topic in regard to "we don't
predict earthquakes" is when I look at the Parkfield Earthquake
Predicton Experiment. This was supposed to be a place where one
practiced prediction, but that was the least of what happened. It did
not ever live up to what it was designed to do and at one heafty price
as well. It was around $100 Million dollars and where's the results?
An A alert only had a 37% chance of occurring. What's that all about?
If I recall correctly there was only one A alert issued and that was in
I hate to say this, but the system which governs what we the public
receive may well be responsible for not keeping us alive. That which
does not foster growth and development kills the creativity which could
result in productive end product. This is just not good enough. Not
today or any day.
The only person who seems to have an interest in taking another look is
Tom Jordan of SCEC in his Earthquake Prediction Collaborary and yet I
am not at all certain he wants to see anything truly new. That
remains to be seen.
If cancer researchers were told a hundred thousand times over that they
would never find the cure and their colleagues treated them the way
geoscientists treat each other, millions of people would be dead today
for the lack of a sustained effort. So if survivial in earthquake
country is dependant upon those who should work on earthquake
prediction exclusively, then they should get on with it. We need
results, not excuses and for those who go, they can leave their egos at
One cold heartless scientist everyone knows and loves went on TV after
the San Simeon quake and said they should have known it was going to
happen because it happens about every 50 years. Two people just died,
no one went there and told them this was going to happen and how many
people were there 50 years ago? This behavior is undeniable unsuitable
for the public and I reminded him of that after I personally saw it on
TV. If I were a family member of one of those ladies who died, he
wouldn't be employed today. There is something seriously wrong with a
person like that. Uncaring is at the top of the list.
We are no further along in predicting earthquakes than primordial man
throwing rocks at the Moon and there are no good excuses.
There was an excellent program on Discovery Channel, last Thursday
(01-19-06)entitled 'A Sense of Disaster'... definetly science for a changing
> You don't know very much about Jim Berklands prediction method, so I
> don't think you are qualified to judge Brian's method against anyone
> else. Besides, he's only been doing his work for about three months,
> hardly comparable to a geologist who has been at it for more than
> thirty years.
> With the exception of site specific predictions, Jim uses something
> close to "cast the net" and see "what comes in" sort of method. He
> uses radius' of 140 miles around Seattle, SF and LA for 3.5 or greater
> earthquakes. I know him personally and I also have followed his work
> very closely. Since Loma Prieta in 1989 he is actually 1/3rd short of
> where he was prior to. That's because after Loma Prieta the Bay Area
> went totally dead for years and is now on the verge of coming to life
> I like Jim very much and I support the work he does if for no other
> reason it keeps earthquake prediction in the spotlight so no one
> forgets it is still possible. He is a wonderful person, a great
> friend, a good family man and so much more.
I wasn't knocking him. All I said was that he appears to have a much better
track record than Brian. If you want more prediction sites, the Edinburgh
University seem to do them too:
I have had them linked in for ages, but the prediction page doesn't seem to work
for me, so maybe it requires Internet Explorer.
> I don't know Brian that well; but I believe he is honest, hard working,
> very interested in science and probably a real fun guy.
Yes, but not as much fun as the guys you spent his birthday with, eh? <wg>
What? Are you calling Petra a "cult-member"? I'm going to enjoy watching her
tell you to "get stuffed" although I am sure that she will do it much more
politely than I do.
You may, from now on, address me as Lord Cerne Abbas, or I am going to put you
in my kill-file.
Lord Cerne Abbas
Humpty Dumpty Bush fell off the Iraq wall.
Humpty Dumpty Bush had a big fall.
All his spin doctors and all the President's men
couldn't put Humpty Dumpty Bush together again.
May I say that I do like the way you think. I am in total agreement with you.
Never trust anybody who is too sophisticated to own a rubber chicken.
The other factor, that you have to consider was pointed out to me by the woman
whose ambition is also to remain 19, and she is the very best paralegal in the
world. If you make a prediction wrongly and cause a panic, and somebody gets
hurt, then somebody can *sue* your ass for compensation in America.
I do think any Americans making predictions should consider this fact. Of course
Sir J-P lives in the free-world, so he can.
Hmmmmm. I must say that "The Most Evil Women in History: Countess Dracula"
sounds interesting. I sometimes think I may have missed out.
> I wasn't knocking him. All I said was that he appears to have a much better
> track record than Brian. If you want more prediction sites, the Edinburgh
> University seem to do them too:
> I have had them linked in for ages, but the prediction page doesn't seem to work
> for me, so maybe it requires Internet Explorer.
> > I don't know Brian that well; but I believe he is honest, hard working,
> > very interested in science and probably a real fun guy.
> > Petra
> Yes, but not as much fun as the guys you spent his birthday with, eh? <wg>
Listen Sir Alan Irkingmesir,
Enough is enough! I've had it with you. You're annoying as hell, you
don't contribute but seem to think you can just pop in and decide to
become the irritating monitor, we don't need it. Honestly, we can do
just fine without it. Brian hasn't done a thing to do you and you
just cannot go one single day without bashing him. Frankly, I'm sick
of it. Just knock it off.
Remember that post you made which said TAKE TIME OUT, you need to do
that. And do I expect that by dawns early light you'll be bashing me,
I sure do. Go ahead if it makes you feel more like a man.
> Listen Sir Alan Irkingmesir,
> Enough is enough! I've had it with you. You're annoying as hell, you
> don't contribute but seem to think you can just pop in and decide to
> become the irritating monitor, we don't need it. Honestly, we can do
> just fine without it. Brian hasn't done a thing to do you and you
> just cannot go one single day without bashing him. Frankly, I'm sick
> of it. Just knock it off.
> Remember that post you made which said TAKE TIME OUT, you need to do
> that. And do I expect that by dawns early light you'll be bashing me,
> I sure do. Go ahead if it makes you feel more like a man.
Aw Petra, you just need a song.
I come from down in the valley
where mister when you're young
They bring you up to do like your daddy done
Me and Mary we met in high school
when she was just seventeen
We'd ride out of that valley down to where the fields were green
We'd go down to the river
And into the river we'd dive
Oh down to the river we'd ride
Then I got Mary pregnant
and man that was all she wrote
And for my nineteenth birthday I got a union card and a wedding coat
We went down to the courthouse
and the judge put it all to rest
No wedding day smiles no walk down the aisle
No flowers no wedding dress
That night we went down to the river
And into the river we'd dive
Oh down to the river we did ride
I got a job working construction for the Johnstown Company
But lately there ain't been much work on account of the economy
Now all them things that seemed so important
Well mister they vanished right into the air
Now I just act like I don't remember
Mary acts like she don't care
But I remember us riding in my brother's car
Her body tan and wet down at the reservoir
At night on them banks I'd lie awake
And pull her close just to feel each breath she'd take
Now those memories come back to haunt me
they haunt me like a curse
Is a dream a lie if it don't come true
Or is it something worse
that sends me down to the river
though I know the river is dry
That sends me down to the river tonight
Down to the river
my baby and I
Bruce Springsteen - The River
> Bruce Springsteen - The River
Those Jersy girls drop it fast
I am currently supporting a Jersey Girl:
Janeane Garofalo is the best! I first saw her in "The Truth About Cats and
Dogs". I am in support of her. ABC suck for cancelling her program. I highly
recommend that nobody watches ABC ever again. Boycott all their stations; make
your voices heard. Picket all their offices and send them emails telling them
how unjust they are for taking away Janeane's freedom of speech.
Janeane Garofalo for President!
> Stuff it up your music box....
Oh dear, I can see that somebody is feeling very moody today.
Perhaps the proper word is "cross"?
> The post below belongs to you.....the music box one..... you can sing
> song until hell freezes over.
It's funny you should say that. Yesterday I was reading the Moscow Times. It is
apparently so cold there that the hot water pipes are freezing and bursting.
There was also a story of people dying in the USA. I must say that it is a
beaughtiful day here; the sun is shining, the sky is blue and I have the windows
Yes, Brian was stood up, well sort of, but then I was also stood, well
sort of. Petra and I have been a team for about 6 years now and one
thing we have learned is that when you are giving a chance to meet some
high-powered people you had better take the offer, as it may not be
My plane was down for maintenance as I was getting it ready for a trip
on the 18th when the invite came. I couldn't go, as I was already
committed for the other trip so she had to go it alone. Then she
thought of Brian since she was going to be in the area so she offered
the invite to him. He accepted and that was settled. Then things
started going to Hell in a handbasket. Plans were being changed as
fast as they were making them. It seems that other people also had
committed for other meetings so things had to be changed to make it
She asked me what I thought we should do. I told her to cancel the
meeting with Brian, as there will be other times when she may get the
chance to meet him. She might not ever get the chance to meet with
those people again. Don
Yeah... And I have some theories too:
bin laden tape ..." As for similar operations taking place in America, it's
a matter of time. You will see them in the heart of your land as soon as
the planning is complete...."
To me and maybe only me the 'heart of your land' is not f....ing Kansas,
but each and everyone's houshold, and the only time that most everyone is
there...would be the Super-Bowl. Countless millions watching (halftime) not
Denver-Carolina. Detroit....port city, automobile empire, lake border
Hey Brian was the one who called me a troll, and I am fully capable of living up
to my reputation, but I really am here because I am interested in earthquakes.
I'd better leave him alone before I upset everybody, but somehow, I just don't
see him admitting he is wrong. Even when I kinda offer him an out; George
continues whining in "Geology" and he doesn't have the sense to shut up, but
I'll back off now because I am upsetting Petra.
Do you expect sympathy from me? In 1973, my first wife walked out of the
underground at Euston Station and a burly copper picked her up, ran to the
station entrance and threw her outside. Two minutes later an IRA bomb went off
inside. The IRA had a nasty habit of packing their bombs with nails yaknow. For
30 years we had IRA bombs and bomb scares.
Ireland's OWN: History
—by DM Gould
n 1993, the IRA successfully threw air services over London into chaos with
repeated mortar attacks and bomb threats. Heathrow and Gatwick airports were
frequently closed after coded telephoned bomb threats were received.
In 1996, at least 120 people were injured when a truck bomb exploded in central
Manchester. This bomb successfully closed down the commercial district of
Manchester for three days.
he IRA’s most memorable bombing, however, was Canary Wharf. On 9 February 1996,
the IRA bombed London's Canary Wharf office block. Only two people died in that
blast, in which a bomb had been left in an underground garage near the 52-story
Canary Wharf Tower, but the explosion severely damaged an entire block in
London’s financial district.
And do you know the funny thing? Like most other of my fellow countrymen, I can
honestly put my hand on my heart and say that I don't hate the Irish; in fact, I
grew up with, and have many Irish friends, and on Christmas Eve it was always
the thing to do for us all to go down the Catholic Church for midnight mass.
But there are plenty here who hate the people who paid for those bombs, but
since 911, and since Bush stopped people sending money to "terrorist
organisations", this has become such a peaceful country, and that really was a
feeble effort those "terrorists" made in the summer. The IRA would never have
blown themselves up by mistake. How stupid is that?
But do you know the funniest thing of all? Where were those people sending their
Ireland's OWN: History
Memories of Che, A Revolutionary son of Ireland
For the daughter of Che Guevara, the visit to Galway on the west coast of
Ireland was something of a homecoming.
If she had chosen to walk on to the footpath outside the front door of the Great
Southern Hotel, where she was holding media interviews and hosting a series of
meetings, Dr Aleida Guevara would almost certainly have met a distant relative.
Can you imagine that? All that time those people were giving their money to the
relatives of Che Guevara, whose real name was Ernesto Guevara Lynch? Did they
not know that Che was of Irish descent? I learned that when I was 16. That
tickles me pink.
They do tell me that what goes around, comes around yaknow. That's why I believe
in Nemesis, the Goddess of Divine Retribution.
"Can't you see we're still here,
Can't you see we're still here,
Singing loud; Singing clear,
We shall not go under,
We're still here."
Nemesis Peace Centre
Abuse of Women and Children
> Stuff it up your music box....
Yaknow, I think this is a much better song:
Fiery prophet of the dawn,
Down winding secret paths.,
To free the green land that you love.
To avenge many wrongs,
Our foreheads full of rebel stars,
Swearing to win or die.
When the first shot is heard and the land wakes up,
Like a girl startled out of sleep,
We'll be there by your side, calm warriors,
We'll be there.
When your voice proclaims to the four winds
Land reform, justice, bread and freedom,
We'll be there to echo your words,
We'll be there.
The day the wild beast is wounded in its side
by our liberating aim,
We'll be with you, hears full of pride,
We'll be there.
Don't think that they can make us tremble,
Armed with gifts and decorations,
We want a rifle, bullets, a stick,
And if their rifles mow us down,
We only ask for Cuban tears
As winding sheets for fighters
Washed away by the flow of history,
Fiery Prophet of the Dawn
A Song Written by Che Guevara, for Fidel Castro.
Hell no . I grew up in the Nixon era and Ford (rest his soul) was there too.
"... giving a chance to meet some
high-powered people you had better take the offer, as it may not be
high-powered people?? Isn't that an oxymoron?
>For six years I have studied the behavioral patterns of scientists and
>yes, they do have some. One is quick to understand that it is truly
>rare for anyone to write a paper on an original idea. I don't think
Couldn't agree more.
>If you create a stigma regarding something such is the case of
>earthquake prediction it ends up going underground or squelchs the
>desire for one to undertake such endeavor for they will be chastised by
>their colleagues, labeled and eventually unemployed. I had thoughts
>Predicton Experiment. This was supposed to be a place where one
>practiced prediction, but that was the least of what happened. It did
>not ever live up to what it was designed to do and at one heafty price
>as well. It was around $100 Million dollars and where's the results?
Scientists have learned a lot at Parkfield: maybe the biggest lesson is
that we know quite a bit about where earthquakes will occur over the
long run ("gap theory," essentially) but not very much about where they
will strike in the short term.
>The only person who seems to have an interest in taking another look is
>Tom Jordan of SCEC in his Earthquake Prediction Collaborary and yet I
>am not at all certain he wants to see anything truly new. That
Jordan is trying to establish a framework from which prediction
research can move forward--and this means with support--on a firm
>If cancer researchers were told a hundred thousand times over that they
>would never find the cure and their colleagues treated them the way
>geoscientists treat each other,
If you think biomedical researchers are a fundamentally different breed
from geoscientists, you need to talk to my husband.
But that's beside the point. The point is that you misconstrue the
implications of the Richter quote. I think you will, as I have, come
to like Charlie once you get to know him. He was one of the most
ardent critics of prediction efforts that he saw as misguided; he was
also an incredibly insightful and open-minded scientist, even late in
life. Late in his life an interviewer asked him if prediction would
ever be possible: he said that he didn't know...that nothing is as
unpredictable as the development of an active field of research. This
is a very far cry from statements that other "chaos-afficiandos" have
made more recently, that earthquakes will never be predictable.
Richter's scorn wasn't aimed at earthquake prediction, it was aimed at
fools and charlatans.
>We are no further along in predicting earthquakes than primordial man
>throwing rocks at the Moon and there are no good excuses.
Maybe 5-10 years ago I read that, for all the advances in breast cancer
treatment, death rates had not changed at all, which suggests that
early detection and aggressive treatment only serve to prolong the time
period that women are cancer patients. The situation might have
changed by now, I sure hope so, but what does one conclude about all of
the cancer research done prior to 1995?
Thank you for your thoughtful responses.
In 2005 I lost a friend of 25 years to cancer because her doctor told
her for years she was fat instead of doing medical tests. Her
existence during the past five years was anything but a picnic. The
other Golden Girl refused to accept the opinion of two doctors
regarding a lump on her breast as being nothing to worry about and has
had treatment which no doubt will prolong her life.
It is hard to believe after so much emphasis on early detection that
today we are still faced with medical doctors who can't seem to make a
proper medical diagnosis. Friend #2 had the most deadly form of
I think we have some problems with medical doctors who misdiagnose and
patients who accept "it's nothing to worry about" and don't go the
additional mileage to confirm that is the case.
And in the end we have to ask, "Who do you trust?" I don't know.
Hi Alan. Please accept my apologies for calling you a jerk. I was out
of line. Don
Hey, that's O.K.
They now have Aiden with them in "geology" complaining cos I slipped out of his
kill-file, so I amused myself with a slight change to my email address. LOL The
only time I ever kill-filed anybody, I made sure that I didn't let them know,
which is why I think they are daft. Anybody knows how to defeat a kill-file.