1.What does everyone consider the most important short-term hazard
2.What is the problem that gets TOO mUCH media attention?
3.What is the major prolbem long-term?
I think Environmentalists should answer these Qs so as to come up with a
more clear plan with which to lobby the Congress.
OK, going back to reg.games.frp.dnd soon and returning to lurking here,
so feel free to flame away.
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Clean water for drinking and irrigation.
>2.What is the problem that gets TOO mUCH media attention?
>3.What is the major prolbem long-term?
Major climatic change.
Habitat loss and degradation
> >2.What is the problem that gets TOO mUCH media attention?
Everything gets so little attention, Its hard to say.
> >3.What is the major prolbem long-term?
Population, Global Climate Change, Global Habitat Loss
Envrionmentalists who get caught up in illusions and promote propaganda
to convince the public of these illusions both of which wastes time and
gets in the way of solving real problems.
: > >2.What is the problem that gets TOO mUCH media attention?
: Everything gets so little attention, Its hard to say.
Reference above. The illusions tend to get too much media attention
because they give people something to believe in and are excellent ways
to sell publications, increase fundraising, generate membership in
organizations and expand political power.
: > >3.What is the major prolbem long-term?
: Population, Global Climate Change, Global Habitat Loss
The major long term problem facing the world is economic and
technological development so that all people have a comfortable
lifestyle equal to that now enjoyed by the developed world. This,
along with increased education will lead to population balance,
increased food production and increased manufacturing to provide
all people with a high standard of living. As free enterprise
expands world-wide, this will lead to more scientific, techonolgical
and industrial breakthroughs that will bring to the marketplace
environmental solutions. All of the above combined with intelligent
resource management and protection are the most important problems
we are now faced with.
> 1.What does everyone consider the most important short-term hazard
Biodiversity/Habitat Loss/Habitat Fragmentation
> 2.What is the problem that gets TOO mUCH media attention?
I don't think there is one which get too much media attention. The
media really don't pay much attention to environmental problems,
except to parrot the conservative "property rights" line these days.
> 3.What is the major prolbem long-term?
Overpopulaton, Global Warming, Biodiversity/Habitat Loss/Habitat
> I think Environmentalists should answer these Qs so as to come up
> with a more clear plan with which to lobby the Congress.
No problem, I think most groups have answered these questions and have
come up with answers similar to these. Basically, though it comes
down to one thing: there are too many people on the earth right now
making too many demands of it's resources. *All* of these problems
stem from the same root.
>: Habitat loss and degradation
> Envrionmentalists who get caught up in illusions...
Do you have evidence that habitat loss is an illusion?
Forrest M. Mims III
Kind of intresting everybody seems to think it's information. or more
appropiately misinformation. I am going to be starting a non-profit
organization to support, and teach about the environment
internationally. If anybody has any suggestions, ideas, or comments I
would appreciate this. Spread the word around I'd like to here from as
many people as possible.
Stuff my in-box please.
The Ground Water Institute at The University of Memphis
is developing a similar program that will deal with
ground water flow and contaminant transport to educate
the general public. I would be interested in hearing
more specific information on your educational program.
ALso, we would be happy to provide some information to
James Outlaw, Research Associate Phone: (901) 678-4315
Ground Water Institute Fax: (901) 678-3078
The University of Memphis
Memphis, Tennessee 38152
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My position is close to this. The biggest environmental problem
is the difficulty that the public has in a democracy in identifying
and implementing rational policy. The problem is not that misinformation
goes unchallenged or unrefuted. It is that it is very difficult for the
general public to identify which is the information and which the
I am not convinced the world is overpopulated yet given current
science and technology, but it appears to have already exceeded
the supportable population given its social and political maturity.
Though technically feasible solutions exist, they cannot be identified
by the political process and implemented. The problem traces not
only to the existence of misinformation but also to its persistence.
Democracy under the technologies of mass communication has become
almost purely adversarial. The central environmental
problem in my opinion is that society at large is hypnotized by
a vindictive and secretive model of discourse peddled by journalists,
lawyers, and many politicians. This situation makes the identification
of genuine expertise, an intrinsically difficult endeavor, spectacularly
more difficult. So the public is left utterly confused even as to which
environmental issues are real and which are fabrications. A measured
and appropriate response, though it may exist, is rarely found.
Science presents a model for progress that, while containing an adversarial
component, is ultimately based on a shared search for rational truth.
If there is a solution to our situation avoiding both catastrophe and
totalitarianism it must lie in the advance of the scientific model
(a cooperative search for truth) over the judicial (a competitive
clash of models). This means more than intellectual honesty and a
willingness to question our own beliefs. It also includes a modicum of
respect for our rivals, an understanding that however misguided they may
be they surely are thinking and acting as they see fit. Regardless of
your point of view, however alarmist or skeptical, if you allow it to
become contempt, disrespect, and hostility towards your rival you are
making matters worse and not better.
To summarize, I think the greatest environmental problem is the shabby
and irresponsible state of what passes for discourse nowadays. I really
think that if there were more of a tendency to treat one another with
respect and open-mindedness, reasonable solutions to all our problems
would emerge and the sense of genuine progress (rather than mere chaotic
and pointless acceleration) would reappear. On the other hand if we
continue to behave like Serbs and Croats, we will proudly reduce the
world to rubble, each side righteously sure the fault belongs with the
Ultimately our biggest problem is war, whether literal or figurative.
To summarize, I think the greatest environmental problem is
the shabby and irresponsible state of what passes for
I can't agree. It would be quite dismal if Stanford were so
politically correct as to fire me on the basis of the opinions in my
Web page, but it is hard to say that it would have much effect on
infant mortality in Bangladesh.
As long as the world remains ununified, the effects of localized
stupidity will be overcome. If I am right about nuclear energy, the
experience of the countries going ahead with it will eventually affect
the U.S. Humanity has survived enormous quantities of shabby and
irresponsible discourse. No-one today remembers the shabby and
irresponsible religious discourse which caused persecutions, wars and
massacres. Think what had to be said in justification of the
extermination of the Albigensians.
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
: : SQUAWK mindless SQUAWK
: Yes this is exactly what I meant. Thanks for the fine example of
: the biggest environmental problem.
You have no hope of understanding the problem unless you know from
where it is originating.
Ah! I join Mike in thanking you for illustrating it so beautifully.
I've had the misfortune to exchange several notes with Scott.
I know where the problem originates. Perhaps we can get
Scott talking with Archimedes Plutonium. Wouldn't that be a
sight? Those two would flame on each other so long that we
would never hear from either of them again. One can only
Kiss me you fool!