Climate Change: Plants and Animals Race for Survival
Harry Hope
From The Guardian, 12/23/09:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/23/global-warming-spreading-quarter-mile-year
Plants and animals race for survival as climate change creeps across
the globe
Lowland tropics, mangroves and deserts at greater risk than
mountainous areas as global warming spreads, study finds
By David Adam
............................................................................................................
Species that can tolerate only a narrow range of temperatures will
need to move as quickly if they are to survive.
Wildlife in lowland tropics, mangroves and desert areas are at greater
risk than species in mountainous areas, the study suggests.
"These are the conditions that will set the stage, whether species
move or cope in place," said Chris Field, director of the department
of global ecology at the Carnegie Institution in the US, who worked on
the project. http://dge.stanford.edu/
"Expressed as velocities, climate change projections connect directly
to survival prospects for plants and animals."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/climate-change
The study, by scientists at the Carnegie Institution, Stanford
University, the California Academy of Sciences, and the University of
California, Berkeley, combined information on current and projected
future climate to calculate a "temperature velocity" for different
parts of the world.
They found that mountainous areas will have the lowest velocity of
temperature change, meaning that animals will not need to move very
far to stay in the temperature range of their natural habitat.
However, much larger geographic displacements are required in flatter
areas such as flooded grasslands, mangroves and deserts, in order for
animals to keep pace with their climate zone.
The researchers also found that most currently protected areas are not
big enough to accommodate the displacements required.
Healy Hamilton, director of the centre for applied biodiversity
informatics at the California Academy of Sciences, said:
"One of the most powerful aspects of this data is that it allows us to
evaluate how our current protected area network will perform as we
attempt to conserve biodiversity in the face of global climate
change."
He added:
"When we look at residence times for protected areas, which we define
as the amount of time it will take current climate conditions to move
across and out of a given protected area, only 8% of our current
protected areas have residence times of more than 100 years. If we
want to improve these numbers, we need to both reduce our carbon
emissions and work quickly towards expanding and connecting our global
network of protected areas."
....................................................................................................................
The study examines the movement of climate zones, not species, the
scientists stress, which means it is difficult to predict what the
impacts may be on individual trees, insects and animals.
Some are more tolerant to changing temperature than others, and the
movement of species can be difficult to track.
.......................................................................................................................
The scientists say that global warming will cause temperatures to
change so rapidly that almost a third of the globe could see climate
velocities higher than even the most optimistic estimates of plant
migration speeds.
Some plants and animals may have to be physically moved by humans to
help them cope, the scientists say, while protected areas must also be
enlarged and joined together.
____________________________________________________________
Harry
1-20-2013
> From The Guardian, 12/23/09:
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/23/global-warming-spreading-quarter-mile-year
>
> Plants and animals race for survival as climate change creeps across
> the globe
We had to bring all the plants and pets in last night because it was so
freekin' cold outside!!! ;^D
LOL!!!
______________________________________________
Man-made global warming/climate change is a massive, money-grabbing HOAX!
James
> From The Guardian, 12/23/09:
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/23/global-warming-spreading-quarter-mile-year
>
> Plants and animals race for survival as climate change creeps across
> the globe
So how many species did we lose this year and which ones?
Peter Franks
> From The Guardian, 12/23/09:
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/23/global-warming-spreading-quarter-mile-year
>
> Plants and animals race for survival as climate change creeps across
> the globe
That's what you guys call 'evolution', right?
I'd still like to know who or what decided that climate change is bad
and that we even need to do anything about it.
Agent Orange
> From The Guardian, 12/23/09:http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/23/global-warming-spre...
>
> Plants and animals race for survival as climate change creeps across
> the globe
Hey Harry, I don't know if you're aware of this, but Charles Darwin
wrote a book on the subject of species' struggle for survival.
Published in 1859. I know you weren't around then, but surely you've
heard of it, right?
CB
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AlGore's cooked up fraud laden data is to big to fail. The evidence is in
( the gears are in place for the risky scheme of Carbon Credit Swaps),
there's no more debate. Gubment WILL seize your assets to fill their greedy
over spending lockbox.
--
CB
"There are a whole lot of religious people in America, including the
majority of Democrats. When we abandon the field of religious discourse --
when we ignore the debate about what it means to be a good Christian or
Muslim or Jew; when we discuss religion only in the negative sense of where
or how it should not be practiced, rather than in the positive sense of what
it tells us about our obligations toward one another; when we shy away from
religious venues and religious broadcasts because we assume that we will be
unwelcome -- others will fill the vacuum. And those who do are likely to be
those with the most insular views of faith, or who cynically use religion to
justify partisan ends"
--Barack Obama
The stealing of wealth is the partisan ends to 'climate change' worship of
Giya
GOP Altered History
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So's Limbaugh.
*FisherKing*
news:3d4eb2ad-4291-455e...@26g2000yqo.googlegroups.com:
Humankind is just helping them out by pushing the extinction rate. And
humans are just as likely to go extinct as any other species. Considering
their contribution to the welfare of the planet one can only hope it comes
sooner rather than later.
--
"The better educated a person is, the less likely it is that person will be
a conservative."
"Reagan proved deficits don't matter"
Dick Cheney
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it
is true that most stupid people are conservative." - John Stuart Mill
Blue
> From The Guardian, 12/23/09:
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/23/global-warming-spreading-quarter-mile-year
>
> Plants and animals race for survival as climate change creeps across
> the globe
Yeah, in fear of man taking all the CO2 out of the air.
Killing, Inc.
> From The Guardian, 12/23/09:http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/23/global-warming-spre...
>
> Plants and animals race for survival as climate change creeps across
> the globe
>
> Lowland tropics, mangroves and deserts at greater risk than
> mountainous areas as global warming spreads, study finds
>
> By David Adam
>
>
> Species that can tolerate only a narrow range of temperatures will
> need to move as quickly if they are to survive.
>
> Wildlife in lowland tropics, mangroves and desert areas are at greater
> risk than species in mountainous areas, the study suggests.
>
> "These are the conditions that will set the stage, whether species
> move or cope in place," said Chris Field, director of the department
> of global ecology at the Carnegie Institution in the US, who worked on
>
> The study examines the movement of climate zones, not species, the
> scientists stress, which means it is difficult to predict what the
> impacts may be on individual trees, insects and animals.
>
> Some are more tolerant to changing temperature than others, and the
> movement of species can be difficult to track.
>
>
> The scientists say that global warming will cause temperatures to
> change so rapidly that almost a third of the globe could see climate
> velocities higher than even the most optimistic estimates of plant
> migration speeds.
>
> Some plants and animals may have to be physically moved by humans to
> help them cope, the scientists say, while protected areas must also be
> enlarged and joined together.
>
> ____________________________________________________________
>
> Harry
Yet another reason why leftist are SOOO incredibly stupid about
science.
Charles Darwin would be shocked to learn that plants can now "race."
How many MPH, leftards? How fast do they run the 40-yard dash?
<snicker>
Democrats and other leftwing nutters are still the stupidest animals
on the planet.
Blue
Where ?
http://healthforself.today.com/files/2009/06/lungs-3.jpg
http://www.harunyahya.com/books/science/blood_heart/images/heart_lungs.jpg
Man_of_Mind
>
> Harry Hope was quoting from:
>>
>> From The Guardian, 12/23/09:
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/23/global-warming-spreading-quarter-mile-year
I see that your comprehension is just as 'challenged'
as your honesty and integrity. Thanks for letting us
know about how you can't seem to read for context..
--And act out your pompous primate posturings like this..
Bret Cahill
> From The Guardian, 12/23/09:http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/23/global-warming-spre...
>
> Plants and animals race for survival as climate change creeps across
> the globe
>
> Lowland tropics, mangroves and deserts at greater risk than
> mountainous areas as global warming spreads, study finds
>
> By David Adam
>
>
> Species that can tolerate only a narrow range of temperatures will
> need to move as quickly if they are to survive.
>
> Wildlife in lowland tropics, mangroves and desert areas are at greater
> risk than species in mountainous areas, the study suggests.
>
> "These are the conditions that will set the stage, whether species
> move or cope in place," said Chris Field, director of the department
> of global ecology at the Carnegie Institution in the US, who worked on
>
> The study examines the movement of climate zones, not species, the
> scientists stress, which means it is difficult to predict what the
> impacts may be on individual trees, insects and animals.
>
> Some are more tolerant to changing temperature than others, and the
> movement of species can be difficult to track.
>
fost...@gmail.com
> So's Limbaugh.
I pissed on your Mom's head tonight.
She seemed to enjoy the "climate change".
pyjamarama
> From The Guardian, 12/23/09:http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/23/global-warming-spre...
>
> Plants and animals race for survival as climate change creeps across
> the globe
>
> Lowland tropics, mangroves and deserts at greater risk than
> mountainous areas as global warming spreads, study finds
>
> By David Adam
>
> ........................................................................... .................................
>
> Species that can tolerate only a narrow range of temperatures will
> need to move as quickly if they are to survive.
>
> Wildlife in lowland tropics, mangroves and desert areas are at greater
> risk than species in mountainous areas, the study suggests.
>
> "These are the conditions that will set the stage, whether species
> move or cope in place," said Chris Field, director of the department
> of global ecology at the Carnegie Institution in the US, who worked on
Yawn....
Jerry
Killing, Inc.
> On 12/24/2009 6:04 PM, Shilling, Inc. writhed in denials:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Harry Hope was quoting from:
>
> >> From The Guardian, 12/23/09:
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ho hum! Another knuckle-dragging Troglodyte leftwinger opens his pie
hole and makes a fool of himself. Nothing new here.
Man_of_Mind
> On Dec 24, 6:44 pm, Man_of_Mind<baron.von.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 12/24/2009 6:04 PM, Shilling, Inc. writhed in denials:
>> On 12/24/2009 6:04 PM, Shilling, Inc. writhed in denials:
>>>
>>> Harry Hope was quoting from:
>>>>
>>>> From The Guardian, 12/23/09:
>>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/23/global-warming-spreading-quarter-mile-year
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Plants and animals race for survival as climate change creeps across
>>>> the globe
>>>>
>>>> Lowland tropics, mangroves and deserts at greater risk than
>>>> mountainous areas as global warming spreads, study finds
>>>>
>>>> By David Adam
>>>>
>>>> Species that can tolerate only a narrow range of temperatures will
>>>> need to move as quickly if they are to survive.
----
>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>
>>> Yet another reason why leftist are SOOO incredibly stupid
>>
>> I see that your comprehension is just as 'challenged'
>> as your honesty and integrity. Thanks for letting us
>> know about how you can't seem to read for context..
>>
>> --And act out your pompous primate posturings like this..
>
> Ho hum! Another knuckle-dragging Trog
Ahh, the whiny condescending remarks of the
scientifically illiterate pompously posturing
primate species, rightwingus dumbfuckupius..
See him defend his imagined intellectual superiority?
--And when confronted physically, he bravely runs his mouth..
Killing, Inc.
> On 12/24/2009 9:41 PM, Killing, Inc. wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 24, 6:44 pm, Man_of_Mind<baron.von.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 12/24/2009 6:04 PM, Shilling, Inc. writhed in denials:
> >> On 12/24/2009 6:04 PM, Shilling, Inc. writhed in denials:
>
> >>> Harry Hope was quoting from:
>
> >>>> From The Guardian, 12/23/09:
>
> >>>> Plants and animals race for survival as climate change creeps across
> >>>> the globe
>
> >>>> Lowland tropics, mangroves and deserts at greater risk than
> >>>> mountainous areas as global warming spreads, study finds
>
> >>>> By David Adam
>
> >>>> Species that can tolerate only a narrow range of temperatures will
> >>>> need to move as quickly if they are to survive.
> ----
> >>>> ____________________________________________________________
>
> >>> Yet another reason why leftist are SOOO incredibly stupid
>
> >> I see that your comprehension is just as 'challenged'
> >> as your honesty and integrity. Thanks for letting us
> >> know about how you can't seem to read for context..
>
> >> --And act out your pompous primate posturings like this..
>
> > Ho hum! Another knuckle-dragging Trog
>
> Ahh, the whiny condescending remarks of the
> scientifically illiterate pompously posturing
> primate species, rightwingus dumbfuckupius..
>
> See him defend his imagined intellectual superiority?
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Someone who believes natural climate events that have been occuring
for eon after eon are suddenly man-made in the past century (or Mann-
made actually) is the real scientific illiterate. In a decade's time
or so, the cultist Church of Climate Change will be a running joke
against far leftist wingnuts.
Actually, it already is. <snicker>
Blue
>
>> My China Blue Heaven wrote:
>>> In article <7pi98r...@mid.individual.net>, Blue <bl...@there.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Harry Hope wrote:
>>>>> From The Guardian, 12/23/09:
>>>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/23/global-warming-spreading
>>>>> -q
>>>>> uarter-mile-year
>>>>>
>>>>> Plants and animals race for survival as climate change creeps across
>>>>> the globe
>>>> Yeah, in fear of man taking all the CO2 out of the air.
>>> So can I take that as you are willing to pay for any new irrigation
>>> systems?
>>
>>
>> Where ?
>
> irrrigation systems become too dry.
Gordon Brown hates white folk.
Man_of_Mind
>
> Man_of_Mind noted the fallacy arguments expressed by:
>>
>> On 12/24/2009 9:41 PM, Shilling, Inc. was sniveling impatiently:
>>>
>>> Man_of_Mind pointed out the obvious, as it escaped, laughing at:
>>>>
>>>> On 12/24/2009 6:04 PM, Shilling, Inc. writhed in denials:
>>>>>
>>>>> Harry Hope was quoting from:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From The Guardian, 12/23/09:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Plants and animals race for survival as climate change creeps across
>>>>>> the globe
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lowland tropics, mangroves and deserts at greater risk than
>>>>>> mountainous areas as global warming spreads, study finds
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By David Adam
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Species that can tolerate only a narrow range of temperatures will
>>>>>> need to move as quickly if they are to survive.
>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet another reason why leftist are SOOO incredibly stupid
>>>>
>>>> I see that your comprehension is just as 'challenged'
>>>> as your honesty and integrity. Thanks for letting us
>>>> know about how you can't seem to read for context..
>>>>
>>>> --And act out your pompous primate posturings like this..
>>>
>>> Ho hum! Another knuckle-dragging Trog
>>
>> Ahh, the whiny condescending remarks of the
>> scientifically illiterate pompously posturing
>> primate species, rightwingus dumbfuckupius..
>>
>> See him defend his imagined intellectual superiority?
>>
>> --And when confronted physically, he bravely runs his mouth..
>
It's not a 'belief', as you're dishonestly attempting to say..
And, for your next false comparison..
> natural climate events that have been occuring for eon after
> eon are suddenly man-made in the past century
Oh, so these "climate events", that usually take "eon after eon"
to occur, when suddenly take hundred years to happen, it's just
another 'climate event' and not man-made? Interesting,
and you'll be publishing a paper in a peer-reviewed science
journal real soon regarding this important finding of yours?
Pardon me while I express my doubts as to the veracity of this,
because your sentence, parsed thusly..
> Someone who believes [..] is the real scientific illiterate.
That would be a negative claim on your behalf, and since I'm
the one who has the education in science, I think that your
next fallacy argument is just so much nay-saying..
> In a decade's time or so, the cultist Church of Climate Change
> will be a running joke against far leftist wingnuts.
Okay, you just keep on believing that. shilling..
--Your beliefs do not refute scientific facts..
Peter Franks
> In article <7pi98r...@mid.individual.net>, Blue <bl...@there.com> wrote:
>
Absolutely. Clean (potable and non-potable) water is a necessity of
life, and regardless of GW, water systems are requisite.
Gen IV nuclear powering desal/pumps should take care of the problems for
a LONG time.
leona...@gmail.com
> My China Blue Heaven wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article <7piftsF5t...@mid.individual.net>, Blue <b...@there.com> wrote:
>
> >> My China Blue Heaven wrote:
>
> >>>> Harry Hope wrote:
> >>>>> From The Guardian, 12/23/09:
> >>>>> -q
> >>>>> uarter-mile-year
>
> >>>>> Plants and animals race for survival as climate change creeps across
> >>>>> the globe
> >>>> Yeah, in fear of man taking all the CO2 out of the air.
> >>> So can I take that as you are willing to pay for any new irrigation
> >>> systems?
>
> >> Where ?
>
> > US, Britain, France, or anywhere else the rainfall changes and the old
> > irrrigation systems become too dry.
>
> Gordon Brown hates white folk.
# Naaaahh! He hates everyone but himself
The biggest error his predecessor made was not
kicking him out of the cabinet.
leona...@gmail.com
>
> >> Harry Hope wrote:
> >>> From The Guardian, 12/23/09:
> >>> uarter-mile-year
>
> >>> Plants and animals race for survival as climate change creeps across
> >>> the globe
>
> >> Yeah, in fear of man taking all the CO2 out of the air.
>
> > So can I take that as you are willing to pay for any new irrigation systems?
>
> Absolutely. Clean (potable and non-potable) water is a necessity of
> life, and regardless of GW, water systems are requisite.
>
> Gen IV nuclear powering desal/pumps should take care of the problems for
> a LONG time.
ROTFLMAO: Why should they need de-sal pumps???
— —
| In real science the burden of proof is always
| on the proposer, never on the sceptics. So far
| neither IPCC nor anyone else has provided one
| iota of valid data for global warming nor have
| they provided data that climate change is being
| effected by commerce and industry, and not by
| natural phenomena
leona...@gmail.com
leona...@gmail.com
> > From The Guardian, 12/23/09:http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/23/global-warming-spre...
# Juvenile Idiot Bretsy Cahill thinks that "global
warming" is already happening, when it just
might happen in 90,000 years. Those folks at the
Carnegie Institute were hired to project how flora
and fauna would react to a warming climate with
polar ice caps melting.
# Unfortunately for them, their extensive computer
modeling goes for naught because it does not deal
with reality. All flora and fauna will do as they have
done for a few eons. Some brown bears have become
polar bears and do not hibernate. Dinosaurs of all
sorts survived for many eons, and while most died
precipitously, who is to say that alligators and
crocodiles are not their descendents?
> > Plants and animals race for survival as climate change creeps across
> > the globe
# ROTFLMAO: A real race going backwards
just like the snail darter
> > Lowland tropics, mangroves and deserts at greater risk than
> > mountainous areas as global warming spreads, study finds
> > Species that can tolerate only a narrow range of temperatures will
> > need to move as quickly if they are to survive.
# In climate time, they can move in whatever time they
like
>
> > Wildlife in lowland tropics, mangroves and desert areas are at greater
> > risk than species in mountainous areas, the study suggests.
# By 'study' they mean computerand BSI = BSO
> > "These are the conditions that will set the stage, whether species
> > move or cope in place," said Chris Field, director of the department
> > of global ecology at the Carnegie Institution in the US, who worked on
> > the project.http://dge.stanford.edu/
>
> > "Expressed as velocities, climate change projections connect directly
> > to survival prospects for plants and animals
# BSI = BSO
> > The study, by scientists at the Carnegie Institution, Stanford
> > University, the California Academy of Sciences, and the University of
> > California, Berkeley, combined information on current and projected
> > future climate to calculate a "temperature velocity" for different
> > parts of the world.
# Their "information on current and projected future
climate" is based on fantasy not realism. Even their
current data in not in anyway accurate.
> > However, much larger geographic displacements are required in flatter
> > areas such as flooded grasslands, mangroves and deserts, in order for
> > animals to keep pace with their climate zone.
# More nonsense!
> > The researchers also found that most currently protected areas are not
> > big enough to accommodate the displacements required.
>
> > Healy Hamilton, director of the centre for applied biodiversity
> > informatics at the California Academy of Sciences, said:
>
> > "One of the most powerful aspects of this data is that it allows us to
> > evaluate how our current protected area network will perform as we
> > attempt to conserve biodiversity in the face of global climate
> > change."
# Global warming is a myth and does not exist. On the
other hand "Climate Change" is functioning as it has
for 5 million years or more.
# That means that those surviving species will have time
to migrate to where they are comfortable. Certainly
none of the human environmentalists have a clue. An
example Western pine forests with mostly 150 to 300
years old are being killed by pine bark beetles when
they should have been culled 100 years ago and turned
into furniture leaving the young seedlings light to grow
which by now would be mature, and beetle free.
Environmentalists have no clue and neither do the
Interior department bureaucrats.
# Environmentalists depend on "dues" and or donations
for their living and anything like "Save the (whatever)"
is what brings it in. 30 years ago, I got the annual
reports of the three major groups to which I had paid
dues. When I saw how little was Actually spent on
environmental protection. I quickly sent them a nasty
letter canceling my membership and offered to sue
them for false pretenses ...
Michael Gordge
The hot air ewe anti-human idiots generate from your mouth is not
stopping the Globe getting colder, all-time record snow falls are
lashing the US and killing Americans by the score and yet you want man
to make the globe colder, how dare you. Its time to get serious and
contribute more than hot air to warming the globe up, if only man
producing Co2 would be enough to warm the globe, obviously its not.
MG
Michael Gordge
> Global warming is bunk. See ClimateGate.
Cahill and his ilk are all in denial of that fact and the all-time
record snow falls and bitterly cold storms lashing the US they use as
their evidence.
MG
Bret Cahill
> stopping the Globe getting colder, all-time record snow falls are
> lashing the US and killing Americans by the score and yet you want man
> to make the globe colder, how dare you. Its time to get serious and
> contribute more than hot air to warming the globe up, if only man
> producing Co2 would be enough to warm the globe, obviously its not.
You'll fall off the bottom of the earth in a couple more months so
what does it matter?
Bret Cahill
Michael Gordge
Ewe will freeze to death if you dont start doing something to make the
globe colder, what will be your contribution, your fellow Americans
are dying by the score because the earth is cooling down from global
warming.
MG
leona...@gmail.com
• ROTFLMAO
If you jacked the CO2 up to 1500 ppm all it would
do is help the cooling. We are realists. Nothing the
AGW cabal can do would ever have any effect
whatsoever on the climate.
Nature aces AGW alarmism.
The world's oceans are being heated by
underwater tectonic activity - underwater
volcanic eruptions and blisteringly hot magma
seeping up from cracks in the sea floor.
The heated ocean water creates high levels of
CO2 that it sends aloft along with huge amounts
of moisture. That moisture becomes precipitation
— rain in the spring, summer, and fall, and snow
in the winter. Increased amounts of moisture in
the upper atmosphere equals increased amounts
of precipitation.
The hotter the oceans, the more water vapor sent
heavenward and the heavier the precipitation. This
explains the large number of record-breaking
rainfalls we've been seeing in the past couple of
years — with as noted above, areas of the United
States getting 20 inches of rain in a day or so.
As for that dreaded greenhouse gas, CO2,
atmospheric levels of which now exceed 400
parts per million (ppm), it is important to note that
paleological records show that every time CO2
levels have exceeded 300 ppm there has been
an ice age. Every time — without exception.
The same records show that there have been a
series of ice ages over the past 5 million years,
naturally occurring every 100,000 years, with
about 90,000 years of glaciation followed by
about 12,000 years of interglacial climate.
The last ice age ended about 12,000 years
ago. Clearly we are in line for the next period of
glaciation.
In 1979, Genevieve Woillard, a climate
paleologist in France, concluded from detailed
studies that the shift from a warm, interglacial
climate to ice age conditions at the beginning of
the last ice age, some 100,000 years ago, took
"less than 20 years". Her observations led her
to conclude we may be in a similar period of
rapid climatic change.
Research has shown that this 20-year period is
one in which Mother Nature wreaks havoc on
humanity.
If the unchallenged results of the work of Woillard
and others who studied past ice ages are any
indication of the pace of glaciation, once it starts,
the transition period is a mere 20 years or so. And
we may be well into that 20-year period now
Woillard estimated that the period before that final
20 years — when the earth began gearing up for
an end to the interglacial period — could be as
long as 150 years and as short as 75 years."
According to Woillard's studies and those of other
paleological climate researchers, the transition
between interglacial and glacial periods is one of
increasing violence — more volcanic eruptions,
storms, earthquakes, and other natural disasters.
If your refrigerator is running low on freon it will not
keep its contents cold. If the arctic is our refrigerator,
and the refrigerator is rapidly running out of coolant,
how can it create colder and colder weather fronts?
leona...@gmail.com
• Every AGW article we see, tries to project what
will happen in global warming and they have been
give a set of computer models, that are spurious at
best. So the authors never consider that they
might have been deceived because that is what
they were asked to do by the funder .
If they were not given those directions, the process
would have been more difficult but the result could
pass the smell test.
The CRU cabal does not care a whit about climate,
they only care about the million$ they have reaped
and hope for more. Mann was low man on the pole
($5 mill) while Wigley got a muliple of that. Their
object has nothing to do with science, rather is has
to do with money and power.
• "the talking power of money" — Erasmus
Killing, Inc.
> On 12/24/2009 9:41 PM, Shilling, Inc. was appealing to beliefs:
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> > Man_of_Mind noted the fallacy arguments expressed by:
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> >> On 12/24/2009 9:41 PM, Shilling, Inc. was sniveling impatiently:
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> >>> Man_of_Mind pointed out the obvious, as it escaped, laughing at:
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> >>>> On 12/24/2009 6:04 PM, Shilling, Inc. writhed in denials:
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> >>>>> Harry Hope was quoting from:
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> >>>>>> From The Guardian, 12/23/09:
Oh looky, dickweed can play games with someone's name. How juvenile of
you.
> --Your beliefs do not refute scientific facts..- Hide quoted text -
You have no "scientific facts," so that's the end of that argument.
> - Show quoted text -
Whatever diploma mill gave you an 'edjukashun' in science, they
screwed you over badly when they failed to tell you your ends don't
justify the means.
Your quest for leftist political domination through faked ACC is NOT
science, fascist.
Have a nice day.
Man_of_Mind
>
>>
>> On 12/24/2009 9:41 PM, Shilling, Inc. was appealing to beliefs:
>>>
>>> Man_of_Mind noted the fallacy arguments expressed by:
>>>>
>>>> On 12/24/2009 9:41 PM, Shilling, Inc. was sniveling impatiently:
>>>>>
>>>>> Man_of_Mind pointed out the obvious, as it escaped, laughing at:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/24/2009 6:04 PM, Shilling, Inc. writhed in denials:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Harry Hope was quoting from:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From The Guardian, 12/23/09:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Plants and animals race for survival as climate change creeps across
>>>>>>>> the globe
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lowland tropics, mangroves and deserts at greater risk than
>>>>>>>> mountainous areas as global warming spreads, study finds
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> By David Adam
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Species that can tolerate only a narrow range of temperatures will
>>>>>>>> need to move as quickly if they are to survive.
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Meanwhile, as you grow unhappy with how your failed ideology
that you've been taught to parrot has not convinced anyone,
rightwingus dumbfuckupius, tell us what the highest level of
science and/or math educations you've attained would be..
You can do that, can't you? Or, were you just trying to
tattle on your one-dimensional thinking here?
>> --Your beliefs do not refute scientific facts..
>
> You have no "scientific facts,"
Prove that all all the published data exists and has been
being published regarding this for the past 20 years? Why
do I have to do that? I know that a Montgomery, Alabama
red-neck isn't likely to have much "'edjukashun' in science"
so tell some convenient lies about yourself, about what a
big swinging dick you are in the climate sciences..
Otherwise, STFU and quit with your right-wing shill agenda
of trying to shout down the facts you cannot disprove..
> Whatever diploma mill gave you an 'edjukashun' in science,
> they screwed you over badly when they failed to tell you
> your ends don't justify the means.
Ahhh, the predictable right-wing personal attack, right after
being confronted with the obvious that you have *NOTHING!*
to actually refute the scientific hypothesis' called 'climate
change" and "anthropogenic global warming" and the topic
tonight..
Species migration of plants and animals to cooler climates..
--I accept your surrender, Montgomery monkey-boy..
Killing, Inc.
> On 12/24/2009 9:41 PM, Shilling, Inc. was appealing to beliefs:
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> > Man_of_Mind was again amused by the delusions of adequacy exhibited by:
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> >> On 12/24/2009 9:41 PM, Shilling, Inc. was appealing to beliefs:
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> >>> Man_of_Mind noted the fallacy arguments expressed by:
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> >>>> On 12/24/2009 9:41 PM, Shilling, Inc. was sniveling impatiently:
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> >>>>> Man_of_Mind pointed out the obvious, as it escaped, laughing at:
>
> >>>>>> On 12/24/2009 6:04 PM, Shilling, Inc. writhed in denials:
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> >>>>>>> Harry Hope was quoting from:
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> >>>>>>>> From The Guardian, 12/23/09:
I see you're desperately using the same argument skeptics use
*correctly* against warmist believers like yourself. That old rubber-
and-glue tactic will really do wonders to convince people your diploma
mill 'degree' is real. <snicker>
> rightwingus dumbfuckupius, tell us what the highest level of
> science and/or math educations you've attained would be..
>
> You can do that, can't you? Or, were you just trying to
> tattle on your one-dimensional thinking here?
Yawn! I went to a real college, little vocational schoolboy. You don't
want to get into an intelligence pissing match with me.
> >> --Your beliefs do not refute scientific facts..
>
> > You have no "scientific facts,"
>
> Prove that all all the published data exists and has been
> being published regarding this for the past 20 years? Why
> do I have to do that? I know that a Montgomery, Alabama
> red-neck isn't likely to have much "'edjukashun' in science"
> so tell some convenient lies about yourself, about what a
> big swinging dick you are in the climate sciences..
Oh that's good. You failed to defeat me in argument so you show your
ignorance with prejudice toward the region where I live. That's
brilliant. If it weren't for irrelevancies and ad hominem, you'd have
nothing to say at all.
BTW, the federal government requires the same general standards for
all public education systems in the US, so your comments reflect no
facts at all about the intelligence of Southerners and succeeds
instead in showing your blind hatred and complete ignorance of an
entire US region. Way to go, genius! <snicker>
> Otherwise, STFU and quit with your right-wing shill agenda
> of trying to shout down the facts you cannot disprove..
>
> > Whatever diploma mill gave you an 'edjukashun' in science,
> > they screwed you over badly when they failed to tell you
> > your ends don't justify the means.
>
> Ahhh, the predictable right-wing personal attack, right after
> being confronted with the obvious that you have *NOTHING!*
Again with the rubber-and-glue argument! Are you even capable of an
independent thought?
Admit it. The smart money says you flunked 10th grade chemistry and
dropped out of school, got your GED on the fourth attempt, then
attended some 'school' with a name like Central Southwestern Colorado
State Institute of Technology, Floral Arrangements, and Basket
Weaving. I'm pretty close, aren't I?
ROTFLMFAO at you!!!
Have a nice day.
Man_of_Mind
>
> Man_of_Mind was again amused by the delusions of adequacy exhibited by:
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>>>
>>> Man_of_Mind was again amused by the delusions of adequacy exhibited by:
>>>>
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>>>>> natural climate events that have been occuring for eon after
>>>>> eon are suddenly man-made in the past century
>>>>
>>>> Oh, so these "climate events", that usually take "eon after eon"
>>>> to occur, when suddenly take hundred years to happen, it's just
>>>> another 'climate event' and not man-made? Interesting,
>>>> and you'll be publishing a paper in a peer-reviewed science
>>>> journal real soon regarding this important finding of yours?
>>>>
>>>> Pardon me while I express my doubts as to the veracity of this,
>>>> because your sentence, parsed thusly..
>>>>
>>>>> Someone who believes [..] is the real scientific illiterate.
>>>>
>>>> That would be a negative claim on your behalf, and since I'm
>>>> the one who has the education in science, I think that your
>>>> next fallacy argument is just so much nay-saying..
>>>>
>>>>> In a decade's time or so, the cultist Church of Climate Change
>>>>> will be a running joke against far leftist wingnuts.
>>>>
>>>> Okay, you just keep on believing that. shilling..
>>>
>>> Oh looky, dickweed can play games with
>>> with someone's name.
>>
>> Meanwhile, as you grow unhappy with how your failed ideology
>> that you've been taught to parrot has not convinced anyone,
>
> I see you're desperately using the same argument skeptics use
Nice straw man you've got there. Need a light?
>> Meanwhile, as you grow unhappy with how your failed ideology
>> that you've been taught to parrot has not convinced anyone,
>> rightwingus dumbfuckupius, tell us what the highest level of
>> science and/or math educations you've attained would be..
>>
>> You can do that, can't you? Or, were you just trying to
>> tattle on your one-dimensional thinking here?
>
> Yawn! I went to a real college
I went to a real university, graduated, did graduate studies
and research, still working a couple of projects outside of
the classroom and campus..
But, this next claim was actually funny..
> You don't want to get into an intelligence pissing match with me.
True, you'd lose, and it'd be a waste of my time, shilling..
Example follows..
>>>> --Your beliefs do not refute scientific facts..
>>>
>>> You have no "scientific facts,"
>>
>> Prove that all all the published data exists and has been
>> being published regarding this for the past 20 years? Why
>> do I have to do that? I know that a Montgomery, Alabama
>> red-neck isn't likely to have much "'edjukashun' in science"
>> so tell some convenient lies about yourself, about what a
>> big swinging dick you are in the climate sciences..
>>
>> Otherwise, STFU and quit with your right-wing shill agenda
>> of trying to shout down the facts you cannot disprove..
>
> Oh that's good. You failed to defeat me in argument
Your "argument" was but the twaddle a zealot parrots in
response to having facts presented that contradict your
one-dimensional beliefs.. In short, you defeated yourself..
Example follows..
> so you show your ignorance with prejudice toward the region
> where I live. That's brilliant.
They don't grow them for critical reasoning skills in Alabama?
Let's see how that works for you..
> BTW, the federal government requires the same general standards
> for all public education systems in the US, so your comments
> reflect no facts at all about the intelligence of Southerners
Well, you do seem to have trouble staying on-task. Or maybe
you were just trying to change this part of the discussion
into a personal attack, since you couldn't address the prior
text/context that I presented for you to answer..
Here it is again, since you were dissembling tangentially..
"Oh, so these "climate events", that usually take "eon after eon"
to occur, when [the climate events] suddenly take [a] hundred years
to happen, it's just another 'climate event' and not man-made?
Interesting, and you'll be publishing a paper in a peer-reviewed
science journal real soon regarding this important finding of yours?"
>>> Whatever diploma mill gave you an 'edjukashun' in science,
>>> they screwed you over badly when they failed to tell you
>>> your ends don't justify the means.
>>
>> Ahhh, the predictable right-wing personal attack, right after
>> being confronted with the obvious that you have *NOTHING!*
>> to actually refute the scientific hypothesis' called 'climate
>> change" and "anthropogenic global warming" and the topic
>> tonight..
>
> Again with the rubber-and-glue argument!
Typical right-wing sociopathic projection, on your behalf..
Example follows..
> Are you even capable of an independent thought?
*>LOL!<* Yes, and quite a bit more so than yourself, shrilling..
> Admit it. The smart money says you flunked 10th grade chemistry
Nope, graduated high school with a 3.75 GPA, went to a real
university for a degree in EET. Worked a while with x86
hardware, went back to a university for a degree in physics,
worked in satellite telecommunications and studied for a
masters in physics..
But, instead of displaying 'independent thought', you knee-jerked
the usual 'frightie-rightie' false accusations and character smears..
Example follows..
> then attended some 'school' with a name like Central Southwestern
> Colorado State Institute of Technology, Floral Arrangements, and
> Basket Weaving. I'm pretty close, aren't I?
Nope, but thanks for telling on yourself again..
mrbawana2u
<baron.von.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>[who cares?]
1600 posts in dec, loadturd.
You're a pathetic retard.