Jan 29, 2009 ...
"Here's a talking point in the green jobs debate: The wind industry
now employs
more people than coal mining in the United States."
To produce one twentieth of the power.
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Yeah, at one fiftieth of the cost.
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Wind power is far more expensive than coal powered electricity generation.
It costs something like 10 times as much, depending on how you measure it.
You can't prove that. Especially with worker insurance.
Wind is distributed across the landscape with thousands of entrepreneurs
in a free market competing- which we know will drive the price down.
People used farm windmills for many years to pump water and generate
electricity. But you know why they gave it up? Because there are many
times the wind does not blow, and whole areas of the country with low
average wind speeds too.
Peaking and pumped-storage plants are normally sufficient for handling
unreliable generation, whether it be wind or solar.
However, what isn't well-known is that the wind can simply _stop_
blowing over vast areas in a matter of minutes. A year or two ago,
Texas had a grid emergency for that reason--and wind is only about 2% of
our energy supply so far. Pumped-storage could have solved that, but
the NIMBYs won't allow more to be built, and peaking plants can't come
online fast enough.
> and whole areas of the country with low average wind speeds too.
Modern wind turbines can handle low wind speeds; it's just less profitable.
NIMBYs are a much bigger problem, preventing units from being installed
near consumers as well as preventing new transmission lines from far-off
generating plants (of any type) to consumers.
S
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Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
> People used farm windmills for many years to pump water and generate
> electricity. But you know why they gave it up? Because there are many
> times the wind does not blow, and whole areas of the country with low
> average wind speeds too.
Our current problem here in the northwest is that the Bonneville Power
Administration doesn't like the idea of integrating the new wind power
with its hydro plants. There is a surplus of both this year, but BPA
would rather refuse the wind power and use its own hydro to fill its
contracts, rather than dump the water into the spillways and help the
fish population during the spring run.
Or, use both and reduce the power coming from the coal plant in Boardman
and "Centralia".
Apparently this all has to do with the plan hatched some years back to
operate the BPA like a private industry.
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umm, there are some issues. I don't know if you are willing to accept
them
first wild bird numbers and song bird numbers are dropping apparently
because they are flying into them
another thing is the glint of the sun as the windmills turn
A bit of matte paint ... :]
-miles
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Consult, v.i. To seek another's disapproval of a course already decided on.
I looked into water generation from a small stream I have. It has a
drop of about 100 feet on my property, and about 6-10 gallons per minute.
There is no way to build a good dam or a lake to even out the flow. I do
have an old-fashioned water wheel. I figured only about 25 watts based on
published formulas. Not enough to do anything with. The old Sears catalog
lists average wind speed at 3 mph for most of NC. That is why you don't
have farms around here with windmills, as you do in PA.
You probably didn't consult with the top business leaders or physics
departments at elite colleges or universities in your area about your
land's potential, so instead you're left with the dogmatic viewpoint.
The good liberals in Nantucket and Cape Cod are actively blocking off
shore wind turbines there. Even if it still goes through, it needs
massive subsidies in the name of sweetheart high priced contracts with
National Grid et al.
And migrating birds just LOVE 300 foot tall bird cuisinarts !!
Each windmill can provide power for about 300 homes. The towers can't be placed
closer than a half km apart . These numbers come from various internet and TV
sources. How many square km of wind farms do you need to power a city of a
million homes?
It works out to over 3300 sq km or 1200 square miles!
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How much land would be needed for solar panels? Just wondering.....
But that is no answer. Most of the time, we do get sunny days. And even
on cloudy ones there is some generation.
Strangely the sun stops shining. The wind stops blowing. Hmmm. Does
the sky fall, too?
Cheap arguments
And thats your answer?? That's the logic I'd expect from my 4 year
grandson not some blithering useful idiot thats old enough to vote.
Have you gotten completely off the grid? Have you bought 25+ acres and
covered it in solar panels,put up 300 foot tall wind powered
generators,drilled deep enough to tap into geo thermal energy? No?
THEN WHYDAFUKK DO YOU EXPECT EVERY OTHER TOM,DICK &HARRY TO DO IT YOU
LAME BRAINED FUCKING IDIOT??!!
The answer is wind beat coal.
"The tide goes in, the tide goes out. You can't explain that."
Beat coal?? HUH ??