NASA study: U.S. lakes warming quickly
Harry Hope
From UPI, 12/27/09:
http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2009/12/27/NASA-study-Lakes-warming-quickly/UPI-92241261944714/
NASA study: Lakes warming quickly
PASADENA, Calif., Dec. 27 (UPI) --
New U.S. scientific findings suggest that climate change may be
affecting aquatic environments faster and sooner than the atmosphere.
Researchers from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif.,
came to conclusions after noticing that Lake Tahoe, Clear Lake and
four other big lakes in Northern California and Nevada are heating up
faster than the surrounding atmosphere, The Sacramento Bee reported
Sunday.
The newspaper said the researchers tapped satellite sensor temperature
data compiled over 18 years in what is believed to be the first time
that long-range lake surface temperatures have been dissected.
What the data reportedly showed is that the lakes' water temperature
rose two times faster, on average, than the regional air temperatures.
"It was a big surprise to see that," Philipp Schneider, the study's
lead author and a post-doctoral research scientist at the NASA lab,
told the Bee.
"If it turns out they're actually changing faster than the air
temperature, then there's a whole new phenomenon going on here. The
lake ecosystems are going to be very much affected, especially because
the trend we observed seems to be quite rapid."
_____________________________________________________
Harry
Peter Franks
> From UPI, 12/27/09:
> http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2009/12/27/NASA-study-Lakes-warming-quickly/UPI-92241261944714/
>
> NASA study: Lakes warming quickly
>
> PASADENA, Calif., Dec. 27 (UPI) --
>
> New U.S. scientific findings suggest that climate change may be
> affecting aquatic environments faster and sooner than the atmosphere.
>
> Researchers from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif.,
> came to conclusions after noticing that Lake Tahoe, Clear Lake and
> four other big lakes in Northern California and Nevada are heating up
> faster than the surrounding atmosphere, The Sacramento Bee reported
What does NASA have to do with lake temperatures?
This sounds like a total breach of their charter.
richp
<spamtrap...@AT.frankenexpress.de> wrote:> >http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2009/12/27/NASA-study-Lakes-warming-q...
>
> > NASA study: Lakes warming quickly
>
> > PASADENA, Calif., Dec. 27 (UPI) --
>
> > New U.S. scientific findings suggest that climate change may be
> > affecting aquatic environments faster and sooner than the atmosphere.
>
> > Researchers from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif.,
> > came to conclusions after noticing that Lake Tahoe, Clear Lake and
> > four other big lakes in Northern California and Nevada are heating up
> > faster than the surrounding atmosphere
>
> Put yout cup of tea water into your refrigerator to get boiling water!- Hide quoted text -
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Hey Asshole Hitler lover the waters of Yellowstone have warmed 5
degrees in the last few decades and it is not due to volcanic activity
BoreRocky the Squirrel
they got them cold volcanoes there?
Flaps_50!
Hey stupid, if T goes up and its not volcanic and its not air then it
must be ... the sun???
When will you AGW cretins open your minds LOL?
Monkey Clumps
> From UPI, 12/27/09:http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2009/12/27/NASA-study-Lakes-warming-q...
>
Interesting that they don't actually mention how big the increase is
anywhere in the article.
columbiaaccidentinvestigation
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> - Show quoted text -
see below
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/lake20091217.html
Last Post
On Dec 28, 10:41 am, Harry Hope <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> From UPI, 12/27/09:http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2009/12/27/NASA-study-Lakes-warming-q...
>
> NASA study: Lakes warming quickly
>
> PASADENA, Calif., Dec. 27 (UPI) --
>
> New U.S. scientific findings suggest that climate change may be
> affecting aquatic environments faster and sooner than the atmosphere.
>
> Researchers from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif.,
> came to conclusions after noticing that Lake Tahoe, Clear Lake and
> four other big lakes in Northern California and Nevada are heating up
> faster than the surrounding atmosphere, The Sacramento Bee reported
> Sunday.
>
> The newspaper said the researchers tapped satellite sensor temperature
> data compiled over 18 years in what is believed to be the first time
> that long-range lake surface temperatures have been dissected.
>
> What the data reportedly showed is that the lakes' water temperature
> rose two times faster, on average, than the regional air temperatures.
>
> "It was a big surprise to see that," Philipp Schneider, the study's
> lead author and a post-doctoral research scientist at the NASA lab,
> told the Bee.
>
> "If it turns out they're actually changing faster than the air
> temperature, then there's a whole new phenomenon going on here. The
> lake ecosystems are going to be very much affected, especially because
> the trend we observed seems to be quite rapid."
• This stupid data is designed to reinforce the AGW scam.
• First we were given "Arctic ice" melting in November
Now we are given "Lake Tahoe, Clear Lake and four
other big lakes in Northern California and Nevada"
warming "faster than the air temperature".
• ROTFLMAO: That is like the early 30's song about
the boy wading in the water in Poughkeepsie, "Hey,
Ma! They's hot spots and cold spots in the water."
As long as there has been water on earth still water
has always been warmer except when it is frozen.
Go by a lake or a puddle in an early October morning
in Maine or Wisconsin and you will see wispy vapour
trails rising from the surface.
The Sun warms the surface.
— —
| In real science the burden of proof is always
| on the proposer, never on the sceptics. So far
| neither IPCC nor anyone else has provided one
| iota of valid data for global warming nor have
| they provided data that climate change is being
| effected by commerce and industry, and not by
| natural phenomena
Last Post
> Hey Asshole Hitler lover the waters of Yellowstone have warmed 5
> degrees in the last few decades and it is not due to volcanic activity
•• Sorry, Fool, Yellowstone was once the largest
volcano in the world a few million years ago.
Although largely degraded, it 'still IS' a volcano.
John Q Public
Gee, are they anywhere near a volcanic fault line? HMMMMMM?
Or did Al Gore just make a speech near there!
Peter Franks
I don't see anything that supports the conclusion that "climate change
may be affecting aquatic environments faster and sooner than the
atmosphere".
These lakes are in a potentially geothermally active region. Has that
been ruled out as a potential cause?
Just a comment in general: I fear that we are becoming so indoctrinated
with so-called anthropogenic climate change that any time there is
virtually any observation (change isn't even relevant) that we blame it
on global warming.
Just look at the story above: "...the researchers tapped satellite
sensor temperature data compiled over 18 years in what is believed to be
the first time that long-range lake surface temperatures have been
dissected." So, here we have a first-time analysis, no control, no
comparison, and we are jumping to the conclusion that it is due to
"climate change".
This is no longer science; it is zealotry.
bw
"Last Post" <last...@primus.ca> wrote in message
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Yellowstone is active.
Last eruption about 70k years ago. Last major eruption 640k years ago.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowstone_Caldera
richp
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> - Show quoted text -
It ain't the sun either you fucking asshole fruitcake
richp
>
> > NASA study: Lakes warming quickly
>
> > PASADENA, Calif., Dec. 27 (UPI) --
>
> > New U.S. scientific findings suggest that climate change may be
> > affecting aquatic environments faster and sooner than the atmosphere.
>
> > Researchers from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif.,
> > came to conclusions after noticing that Lake Tahoe, Clear Lake and
> > four other big lakes in Northern California and Nevada are heating up
> > faster than the surrounding atmosphere, The Sacramento Bee reported
> > Sunday. ...
>
> What does NASA have to do with lake temperatures?
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
1) The expansion of human knowledge of the Earth and of phenomena in
the atmosphere and space;
leona...@gmail.com
> I don't see anything that supports the conclusion that "climate change
> may be affecting aquatic environments faster and sooner than the
> atmosphere".
>
> These lakes are in a potentially geothermally active region. Has that
> been ruled out as a potential cause?
>
• This stupid data is designed to reinforce the AGW scam.
• First we were given "Arctic ice" melting in November
Now we are given "Lake Tahoe, Clear Lake and four
other big lakes in Northern California and Nevada"
leona...@gmail.com
> In article <hhb9bd$k2...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Peter Franks <n...@none.com> wrote:
>
> > These lakes are in a potentially geothermally active region. Has that
> > been ruled out as a potential cause?
>
• That was not the question.
The answer is:
• This stupid data is designed to reinforce the AGW scam.
• First we were given "Arctic ice" melting in November
Now we are given "Lake Tahoe, Clear Lake and four
other big lakes in Northern California and Nevada"
warming "faster than the air temperature".
• ROTFLMAO: That is like the early 30's song about
the boy wading in the water in Poughkeepsie, "Hey,
Ma! They's hot spots and cold spots in the water."
As long as there has been water on earth still water
has always been warmer except when it is frozen.
Go by a lake or a puddle in an early October morning
in Maine or Wisconsin and you will see wispy vapour
trails rising from the surface.
The Sun warms the surface and
warm water rises to the surface.
Flaps_50!
Does your mommy know you swear like that when you are asked to think?
Bwhahhahhahaha
Blue
> From UPI, 12/27/09:
> http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2009/12/27/NASA-study-Lakes-warming-quickly/UPI-92241261944714/
>
> NASA study: Lakes warming quickly
>
> PASADENA, Calif., Dec. 27 (UPI) --
>
> New U.S. scientific findings suggest that climate change may be
> affecting aquatic environments faster and sooner than the atmosphere.
>
> Researchers from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif.,
> came to conclusions after noticing that Lake Tahoe, Clear Lake and
> four other big lakes in Northern California and Nevada are heating up
> faster than the surrounding atmosphere, The Sacramento Bee reported
> Sunday.
>
> The newspaper said the researchers tapped satellite sensor temperature
> data compiled over 18 years in what is believed to be the first time
> that long-range lake surface temperatures have been dissected.
Could be some heat bubble rising from the earth's core.
--
Surprisingly Rapid Changes In Earth�s Core Discovered
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080619102553.htm
I M @ good guy
<spamt...@AT.frankenexpress.de> wrote:
>Blue <bl...@there.com> wrote:
>
>> Harry Hope wrote:
>> > From UPI, 12/27/09:
>> > http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2009/12/27/NASA-study-Lakes-warming-quickly/UPI-92241261944714/
>> >
>> > NASA study: Lakes warming quickly
>> >
>> > PASADENA, Calif., Dec. 27 (UPI) --
>> >
>> > New U.S. scientific findings suggest that climate change may be
>> > affecting aquatic environments faster and sooner than the atmosphere.
>> >
>> > Researchers from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif.,
>> > came to conclusions after noticing that Lake Tahoe, Clear Lake and
>> > four other big lakes in Northern California and Nevada are heating up
>> > faster than the surrounding atmosphere, The Sacramento Bee reported
>> > Sunday.
>> >
>> > The newspaper said the researchers tapped satellite sensor temperature
>> > data compiled over 18 years in what is believed to be the first time
>> > that long-range lake surface temperatures have been dissected.
>>
>> Could be some heat bubble rising from the earth's core.
>
>Or some heat bubble from NASA fudgers sick brains, due to big money
>
>|> as congress has funded earth observations for many reasons, see
>|> below.
>|> http://science.gsfc.nasa.gov/sed/index.cfm?fuseAction=home.main&&navOrgCode=610
>
>LOL
Please don't laugh at things that seem dumb,
maybe the people can't help it. :-)
But seriously, I don't understand the reasoning
of some of these glacier sob stories, like;
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/carbon-pole.html
While the usenet enigma claims glaciers are
melting due to global warming, even Hansen in
the above url says it is about half due to black
soot and the rest due to warming.
But the frustrating thing is, the author(s)
of the article claim, or quote somebody, saying
that if the glaciers melt completely rain and snow
would still supply some water for the one Billion
people, but it would not be enough.
What bugs me is that if there was no melting
at all, that would mean there would be no run off
from the glacier area, and that would seem to
mean even less water, possibly none at all.
So again, there seems to be a perverted
idea of climate conditions and climate change
consequences, colder would obviously be
worse than warming.
Chances are modern plumbing and sewage
systems are not widespread there, so perhaps
the amount of water per person is not anyways
near the amount being wasted in the west by
flushing a couple of gallons for a little urine,
I am allowed 2500 gallons a month for the
base charge, but I only use about 1200 gallons
even though I don't make any real effort to
conserve.
A local TV weather man put up the 14 day
forecast today and it looks bad, 2010 will start
here with almost every day being 15 or 20
degrees F below normal, with highs in the
20s F, with normal being about 40 F.
Blue
> Blue <bl...@there.com> wrote:
>
>> Harry Hope wrote:
>>> From UPI, 12/27/09:
>>> http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2009/12/27/NASA-study-Lakes-warming-quickly/UPI-92241261944714/
>>>
>>> NASA study: Lakes warming quickly
>>>
>>> PASADENA, Calif., Dec. 27 (UPI) --
>>>
>>> New U.S. scientific findings suggest that climate change may be
>>> affecting aquatic environments faster and sooner than the atmosphere.
>>>
>>> data compiled over 18 years in what is believed to be the first time
>>> that long-range lake surface temperatures have been dissected.
>>
>> Could be some heat bubble rising from the earth's core.
>
>
> |> as congress has funded earth observations for many reasons, see
> |> below.
> |> http://science.gsfc.nasa.gov/sed/index.cfm?fuseAction=home.main&&navOrgCode=610
>
> LOL
Well I think it needs further investigation.
If ice ages are due to the cooling of the earth's core then the
interglacials would be related to the earth's core.
----
It seems likely that ice ages on earth are caused by a nuclear hot spot
in the core rotating toward the surface and heating the Pacific Ocean.
The primary evidence for this is that the past ten ice ages have been
cycling at 100 thousand year intervals. Environmental changes are not
apt to be so cyclic, but a convectional oscillation in the earth's
core could be.
It's quite significant that a large number of coral reefs are dying
from over-heating. Humans are not causing the oceans to over-heat;
it appears to be caused by heat from the earth's core.
There is new evidence that the entire core of the earth heats in a
cyclic manner. The earth's magnetic field shows variations which
correlate with global temperatures, and there is about a six year
lag correlating with the amount of time required for the heat to
conduct through the mantle. A summary article is here:
http://www.nov55.com/heat.html
OldBoy
news:u3khj5ti4skhjd9vu...@4ax.com...
>
> From UPI, 12/27/09:
> http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2009/12/27/NASA-study-Lakes-warming-quickly/UPI-92241261944714/
>
> NASA study: Lakes warming quickly
>
> PASADENA, Calif., Dec. 27 (UPI) --
>
> New U.S. scientific findings suggest that climate change may be
> affecting aquatic environments faster and sooner than the atmosphere.
>
> came to conclusions after noticing that Lake Tahoe, Clear Lake and
> four other big lakes in Northern California and Nevada are heating up
> faster than the surrounding atmosphere, The Sacramento Bee reported
> Sunday.
>
> data compiled over 18 years in what is believed to be the first time
> that long-range lake surface temperatures have been dissected.
>
> rose two times faster, on average, than the regional air temperatures.
>
> "It was a big surprise to see that," Philipp Schneider, the study's
> lead author and a post-doctoral research scientist at the NASA lab,
> told the Bee.
>
> "If it turns out they're actually changing faster than the air
> temperature, then there's a whole new phenomenon going on here. The
> lake ecosystems are going to be very much affected, especially because
> the trend we observed seems to be quite rapid."
Did they measure the amount of water?
Did it change over time?
Blue
I wonder if a change in the strenght and movement of the magnetic
north pole might not also affect the climate of glaciers.
Though the common answer to glaciers is of course that
they're just not supposed to survive an interglaical period.
Blue
> From UPI, 12/27/09:
> http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2009/12/27/NASA-study-Lakes-warming-quickly/UPI-92241261944714/
>
> NASA study: Lakes warming quickly
>
> PASADENA, Calif., Dec. 27 (UPI) --
>
> New U.S. scientific findings suggest that climate change may be
> affecting aquatic environments faster and sooner than the atmosphere.
Madness. They haven't even tried to qualfiy it by saying there's
some sort of lag or something. They just come out and say the
slow thing is making the faster thing faster?
I mean that's not the climate change model is it. Atmos first,
then warm oceans, then water vapour and then maybe land.
They've just gone BOOM land, see, climate change, who are they kidding.
oh yeah, green students and believers.
I mean is scream warm surface first doesn't it. Surface, subsurface.
Experiment.
You got two plastic bottle of air, they are connected at that spout.
One has a flame under it. Result, one heats faster than the other,
guess which one it is.
Climate change is supposed to be an affect, after, not before.
It's cart and horse. Or doesn't that bother believers.
Lamont Cranston
>
> � First we were given "Arctic ice" melting in November
> Now we are given "Lake Tahoe, Clear Lake and four
> other big lakes in Northern California and Nevada"
> warming "faster than the air temperature".
>
> the boy wading in the water in Poughkeepsie, "Hey,
> Ma! They's hot spots and cold spots in the water."
>
> As long as there has been water on earth still water
> has always been warmer except when it is frozen.
> Go by a lake or a puddle in an early October morning
> in Maine or Wisconsin and you will see wispy vapour
> trails rising from the surface.
>
> The Sun warms the surface.
TRANSLATION: I'm a stupid, ignorant, science-illiterate fool with my
head up my ass.
Transition Zone
> EXCESS NEWSGROUP TRIMMED (G5)
>
> • First we were given "Arctic ice" melting in November
> Now we are given "Lake Tahoe, Clear Lake and four
> other big lakes in Northern California and Nevada"
> warming "faster than the air temperature".
Baffin Island Ice Caps Shrink by Half in 50 Years
Jan 28, 2008 ...
Baffin Island Ice Caps Shrink by Half in 50 Years. BOULDER, Colorado,
January 28, 2008 (ENS) - Icy Baffin Island in the Canadian Arctic
is ...
Bret Cahill
>
> NASA study: Lakes warming quickly
>
> PASADENA, Calif., Dec. 27 (UPI) --
>
> New U.S. scientific findings suggest that climate change may be
> affecting aquatic environments faster and sooner than the atmosphere.
>
> Researchers from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif.,
> came to conclusions after noticing that Lake Tahoe, Clear Lake and
> four other big lakes in Northern California and Nevada are heating up
> faster than the surrounding atmosphere, The Sacramento Bee reported
> Sunday.
>
> The newspaper said the researchers tapped satellite sensor temperature
> data compiled over 18 years in what is believed to be the first time
> that long-range lake surface temperatures have been dissected.
>
> What the data reportedly showed is that the lakes' water temperature
> rose two times faster, on average, than the regional air temperatures.
>
> "It was a big surprise to see that," Philipp Schneider, the study's
> lead author and a post-doctoral research scientist at the NASA lab,
> told the Bee.
>
> "If it turns out they're actually changing faster than the air
> temperature, then there's a whole new phenomenon going on here. The
> lake ecosystems are going to be very much affected, especially because
> the trend we observed seems to be quite rapid."
>
>
> Harry
Last Post
• ROTFLMAO
Another stupid computer model
BSI—BSO
• ens only carries AGW bullshit
OFF-TOPIC too
Ouroboros Rex
> "Harry Hope" <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:u3khj5ti4skhjd9vu...@4ax.com...
>>
>> http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2009/12/27/NASA-study-Lakes-warming-quickly/UPI-92241261944714/
>>
>>
>> PASADENA, Calif., Dec. 27 (UPI) --
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> No Statistically Significant Warming Since 1995, A Quick Mathematical
> Proof
> Lubos Motl
...insane denialist liar.
Ouroboros Rex
> "Last Post" <last...@primus.ca> wrote in message
> news:c4eb3fc2-21b0-496e...@g12g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 28, 3:31 pm, richp <travelingman95...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey Asshole Hitler lover the waters of Yellowstone have warmed 5
>> degrees in the last few decades and it is not due to volcanic
>> activity
>
> volcano in the world a few million years ago.
> Although largely degraded, it 'still IS' a volcano.
So now, address his claim. Where is your proof he is wrong?
Peter Franks
> In article <hhb9bd$k2s$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Peter Franks <no...@none.com> wrote:
>
>> These lakes are in a potentially geothermally active region. Has that
>> been ruled out as a potential cause?
>
> That would acidify the lakes with sulfur and carbon dioxide.
Not necessarily.
Regardless, has either been ruled out?
Peter Franks
> John Q Public <my2c...@me.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2009-12-28 12:53:16 -0500, Peter Franks <no...@none.com> said:
>>
>>> Harry Hope wrote:
>>>> From UPI, 12/27/09:
>>>> /UPI-92241261944714/
>> NASA
>>>> study: Lakes warming quickly
>>>>
>>>> PASADENA, Calif., Dec. 27 (UPI) --
>>>> affecting aquatic environments faster and sooner than the atmosphere.
>>>>
>>>> Researchers from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif.,
>>>> came to conclusions after noticing that Lake Tahoe, Clear Lake and
>>>> four other big lakes in Northern California and Nevada are heating up
>>>> faster than the surrounding atmosphere, The Sacramento Bee reported
>>> What does NASA have to do with lake temperatures?
>>>
>>> This sounds like a total breach of their charter.
>
> Uh, no. The Sierra Nevada is uplifted block of granite, compressed between the
> Pacific Ocean basin and continental America. The Cascades sit atop a subduction
> zone but the fault is out in continental shelf. The geothermal water has
> dissolved magma gas making them acidic. Any new magma would be detected by
> microtremors. You're full of crap. You're welcome.
Has it been ruled out scientifically, or just through hot air?
I M @ good guy
Check the temperature of the deep ocean,
it is close to freezing.
Peter Franks
> it's up to you go and find it; your failure to do so will show your hypotheses
> are just crap.
So, it hasn't been ruled out scientifically.
Thanks.
I M @ good guy
I doubt it, any unusual warm surface areas
would be noted.
>Though the common answer to glaciers is of course that
>they're just not supposed to survive an interglaical period.
It depends on the elevation, the surprising
thing is how many still exist so near the equator
because it was warmer 8000 years ago and has
not cooled very much.
Blue
>
>> I M @ good guy wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/carbon-pole.html
>>>
>>>
>>> systems are not widespread there, so perhaps
>>> the amount of water per person is not anyways
>>> near the amount being wasted in the west by
>>> flushing a couple of gallons for a little urine,
>>> I am allowed 2500 gallons a month for the
>>> base charge, but I only use about 1200 gallons
>>> even though I don't make any real effort to
>>> conserve.
>>
>> I wonder if a change in the strenght and movement of the magnetic
>> north pole might not also affect the climate of glaciers.
>
> Correlate past pole flips to glacier melts. Also compute the energy in the
> magenetic field and compare it the total latent heat of glaciers and ice.
>
> Do your homework, idiot, and show there's actually something more than your
> intrepid denial of reality.
I give my time freely as a creative thinker, to ponder on such matters.
It is for others to then do the paper work, and get paid for such.
richp
<spamtrap...@AT.frankenexpress.de> wrote:
> richp <travelingman95...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 28, 8:20 am, Peter Muehlbauer
> > <spamtrap...@AT.frankenexpress.de> wrote:
>
> > > > NASA study: Lakes warming quickly
>
> > > > PASADENA, Calif., Dec. 27 (UPI) --
>
> > > > New U.S. scientific findings suggest that climate change may be
> > > > affecting aquatic environments faster and sooner than the atmosphere.
>
> > > > Researchers from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif.,
> > > > came to conclusions after noticing that Lake Tahoe, Clear Lake and
> > > > four other big lakes in Northern California and Nevada are heating up
>
> > > Year, cooling is warming, and warming is cooling.
> > > Put yout cup of tea water into your refrigerator to get boiling water!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > degrees in the last few decades and it is not due to volcanic activity
>
> If you can't communicate like normal humans, there will be no base for any
> discussion with you.
> Oh, btw, you'd better stop your insults with me, otherwise I'll drop a few
> lines to your employer. It was so easy to find out where you're working.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Employer I don't have and don't need
Bert Hyman
<riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> NASA study: Lakes warming quickly
You didn't actually read the article, did you "Harry Hope" collective?
"If it turns out they're actually changing faster than the air
temperature, then there's a whole new phenomenon going on here."
If? And even if, they have no idea why.
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN be...@iphouse.com
Blue
>
>> Could be some heat bubble rising from the earth's core.
>
> magma. Magma motion is detected and monitored because it can blow mountains
> apart.
>
> So where are you seismograms of magma motion?
>
> And you're still an idiot.
I take my audience to be newsgroup.
I'm not writing a free paper for the IPCC.
Blue
They probably always are.
leona...@gmail.com
>
> "If it turns out they're actually changing faster than the air
> temperature, then there's a whole new phenomenon going on here."
>
> If? And even if, they have no idea why.
• Bert: You should be ashamed, the surface is always
the warmest. In addition the sun warms the surface
layer and the earth. However as the sun goes down
the air cools and water vapour rises.
• In northern california the lakes should be a number
of degrees warmer than the land.
• The alarmist bunch are alway speaking of the oceans
as a heat sink ... and they are. So are the lakes.
Blue
>>>> I wonder if a change in the strenght and movement of the magnetic
>>>> north pole might not also affect the climate of glaciers.
>>> Has it every before? The poles tend to flip every few hundred thousand
>>> years.
>>> Correlate past pole flips to glacier melts. Also compute the energy in the
>>> magenetic field and compare it the total latent heat of glaciers and ice.
>>>
>>> Do your homework, idiot, and show there's actually something more than your
>>> intrepid denial of reality.
>>
>>
>> I give my time freely as a creative thinker, to ponder on such matters.
>
> The Scarecrow is still your intellectual superior.
Who told you that one, your mum.
Blue
>
>> My China Blue Heaven wrote:
>>> In article <7pu45c...@mid.individual.net>, Blue <bl...@there.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Could be some heat bubble rising from the earth's core.
>>> Heat doesn't radiate from the core; it convects. It rides to the surface as
>>> magma. Magma motion is detected and monitored because it can blow mountains
>>> apart.
>>>
>>> So where are you seismograms of magma motion?
>>>
>>> And you're still an idiot.
>>
>>
>>
>> I take my audience to be newsgroup.
>>
>> I'm not writing a free paper for the IPCC.
>
I'm giving your posts all the due care and attention they deserve.
Rich
>
> From UPI, 12/27/09:
> http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2009/12/27/NASA-study-Lakes-warming-qui
> ckly/UPI-92241261944714/
>
> NASA study: Lakes warming quickly
>
> PASADENA, Calif., Dec. 27 (UPI) --
Whatever happened to NASA's mandate to look up and not down?
Padding their resumes?
*us*
wrote:
>...Oh, btw, you'd better stop your insults with me, otherwise I'll drop a few
>lines to your employer. It was so easy to find out where you're working.
You're a total scum.
You're also wrong about climate change.
Dave Heil
He went to Oz and got a brain. Try it and perhaps you can engage in
thinkology too.
richp
<spamtrap...@AT.frankenexpress.de> wrote:
> richp <travelingman95...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 28, 8:20 am, Peter Muehlbauer
> > <spamtrap...@AT.frankenexpress.de> wrote:
> > > Harry Hope <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > > > From UPI, 12/27/09:
> > > >http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2009/12/27/NASA-study-Lakes-warming-q...
>
>
> > > > PASADENA, Calif., Dec. 27 (UPI) --
>
> > > > affecting aquatic environments faster and sooner than the atmosphere.
>
> > > > Researchers from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif.,
> > > > came to conclusions after noticing that Lake Tahoe, Clear Lake and
> > > > four other big lakes in Northern California and Nevada are heating up
> > > > faster than the surrounding atmosphere
>
> > > Year, cooling is warming, and warming is cooling.
> > > Put yout cup of tea water into your refrigerator to get boiling water!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Hey Asshole Hitler lover the waters of Yellowstone have warmed 5
> > degrees in the last few decades and it is not due to volcanic activity
>
> You won't hopefully expect any answer on insults?
> If you can't communicate like normal humans, there will be no base for any
> discussion with you.
>
> - Show quoted text -
Go ahead asshole
richp
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:43:38 +0100, Peter Muehlbauer <spamtrap...@AT.frankenexpress.de>
> wrote:
>
> >...Oh, btw, you'd better stop your insults with me, otherwise I'll drop a few
> >lines to your employer. It was so easy to find out where you're working.
>
> You're a total scum.
>
> You're also wrong about climate change.
He's attacking the wrong person if that's his plan
*us*
He's a pawn for fascists, now trying to intimidate and
threaten Americans for their freedom of expression.
That makes him, essentially, an enemy of the USA.
Pavor Nocturnus
> On Dec 29, 9:31 am, richp <travelingman95...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 28, 8:20 am, Peter Muehlbauer
>
> > <spamtrap...@AT.frankenexpress.de> wrote:
> > > Harry Hope <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > > > From UPI, 12/27/09:
> > > >http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2009/12/27/NASA-study-Lakes-warming-q...
>
> > > > NASA study: Lakes warming quickly
>
> > > > PASADENA, Calif., Dec. 27 (UPI) --
>
> > > > New U.S. scientific findings suggest that climate change may be
> > > > affecting aquatic environments faster and sooner than the atmosphere.
>
> > > > Researchers from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif.,
> > > > came to conclusions after noticing that Lake Tahoe, Clear Lake and
> > > > four other big lakes in Northern California and Nevada are heating up
> > > > faster than the surrounding atmosphere
>
> > > Year, cooling is warming, and warming is cooling.
> > > Put yout cup of tea water into your refrigerator to get boiling water!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Hey Asshole Hitler lover the waters of Yellowstone have warmed 5
> > degrees in the last few decades and it is not due to volcanic activity
>
> must be ... the sun???
>
> When will you AGW cretins open your minds LOL?
Only that you're living in 1999, and that hypothesis was completely
destroyed in the mid 2000's.
But, you're probably some jerk-off who thinks that when it snows, it's
means that it's colder than when it doesn't snow and it's cold.
Or that the fact that there have been devastating and extremely rare
snow storms in places in the USA lately means that global warming is a
fake, because if it was true, there should be banana plantations in
Nome Alaska.
Stick with what you know about. You're out of your league here sonny.
*us*
He can't deny that fact.
richp
You have the right to be wrong and I have the right to call you on
that fact
*us*
Okay, but I'm not wrong about Peter Muehlbauer.
richp
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ooops I think my statement was meant for him
*us*
Thanks for the clarification.
You know you have mopped the floor with him
when he's so desperate he has to try to stalk you
and attempt to cause you problems in real life.
richp
>
> - Show quoted text -
Thank you for your support
*us*
>> >Ooops I think my statement was meant for him
>>
>> Thanks for the clarification.
>>
>> You know you have mopped the floor with him
>> when he's so desperate he has to try to stalk you
>> and attempt to cause you problems in real life.
>
>Thank you for your support
You're welcome, and thank you for assisting with
the exposure of the denier as anti-American.
*us*
wrote:
>... at it's [sic] best.
You seem to be totally uneducated.
*us*
wrote:
>I never wrote this.
Are you claiming someone forged your name to:
Message-ID: <2ot0k558prohd7rl4...@nntp.frankenexpress.de> ?
>Where did you learn
The more salient question is: "why have you not learned?"
>Is your science
The more salient question is: "why have you no science?"
glird
>
> • ROTFLMAO
> | In real science the burden of proof is always
> | on the proposer, never on the sceptics. So far
> | neither IPCC nor anyone else has provided one
> | iota of valid data for global warming nor have
> | they provided data that climate change is being
> | effected by commerce and industry, and not by
> | natural phenomena
Get off the floor, assless. You are 50% wrong and half right.
(In science, the burden of proof is always on the skeptics,
almost never on the proposer.)
leona...@gmail.com
> On Dec 28, 8:20 am, Peter Muehlbauer
> <spamtrap...@AT.frankenexpress.de> wrote:
> > Harry Hope <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > > From UPI, 12/27/09:
> > >http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2009/12/27/NASA-study-Lakes-warming-q...
>
> > > NASA study: Lakes warming quickly
>
> > > PASADENA, Calif., Dec. 27 (UPI) --
>
> > > New U.S. scientific findings suggest that climate change may be
> > > affecting aquatic environments faster and sooner than the atmosphere.
>
> > > Researchers from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif.,
> > > came to conclusions after noticing that Lake Tahoe, Clear Lake and
> > > four other big lakes in Northern California and Nevada are heating up
> > > faster than the surrounding atmosphere
>
> > Year, cooling is warming, and warming is cooling.
> > Put yout cup of tea water into your refrigerator to get boiling water!
>
>
> Hey Asshole Hitler lover the waters of Yellowstone have warmed 5
> degrees in the last few decades and it is not due to volcanic activity
ø Poor Pissypants is so stupid that he does not
know that Yellowstone IS a volcano — the
remains of what once was the largest volcano
in America if not the World.
leona...@gmail.com
ø The idiot glird would defy logic.
— —
David Hartung
> On Dec 29 2009, 3:03 pm, Last Post wrote:
As I understand the scientific method, those who are attempting to make
the case that the world is warming, and that mankind is the cause, bear
the burden of proof.
In my layman's opinion, that burden has not been met.
leona...@gmail.com
ø Too true !!!
Tater Gumfries
> On Dec 29, 9:31 am, richp <travelingman95...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 28, 8:20 am, Peter Muehlbauer
>
> > <spamtrap...@AT.frankenexpress.de> wrote:
> > > Harry Hope <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > > > From UPI, 12/27/09:
> > > >http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2009/12/27/NASA-study-Lakes-warming-q...
>
> > > > NASA study: Lakes warming quickly
>
> > > > PASADENA, Calif., Dec. 27 (UPI) --
>
> > > > New U.S. scientific findings suggest that climate change may be
> > > > affecting aquatic environments faster and sooner than the atmosphere.
>
> > > > Researchers from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif.,
> > > > came to conclusions after noticing that Lake Tahoe, Clear Lake and
> > > > four other big lakes in Northern California and Nevada are heating up
> > > > faster than the surrounding atmosphere
>
> > > Year, cooling is warming, and warming is cooling.
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > degrees in the last few decades and it is not due to volcanic activity
>
> must be ... the sun???
You didn't read the article, did you?
"If it turns out they're actually changing faster than the air
temperature, then there's a whole new phenomenon going on here. The
lake ecosystems are going to be very much affected, especially because
the trend we observed seems to be quite rapid."
Are you actually claiming that the scientists might not know about the
sun heating things?
Tater
leona...@gmail.com
Flaps, too!!
Essentially no heat source is relevant, warm water
always rises to the surface. Some of it evaporates
and creates the clouds that form the 'greenhouse'.
ø The issue is really irrelevant.
Nobody can control the wind
Nobody can control the rain or snow
Nobody (collectively) can control climate.
Global temps are within natural variations
Oceans heating are a prelude to glaciation
Get used to it!!
— —
Tater Gumfries
wrote:
> Essentially no heat source is relevant,
Ridiculous. All heat sources are relevant.
Learn some science.
Tater
leona...@gmail.com
ø All you AGW alarmist jackasses deride any one
who disagrees with their lies. It is you, potato
head, who needs to learn some science.
Evidently your English language cognition is
in your shitter.
ø The issue is really irrelevant.
Nobody can control the wind
Nobody can control the rain or snow
Nobody (collectively) can control climate.
Global temps are within natural variations
Oceans heating are a prelude to glaciation
Get used to it!!
— —
| In real science the burden of proof is always
| on the proposer, never on the sceptics. So far
| neither IPCC nor anyone else has provided one
| iota of valid data for global warming nor have
| they provided data that climate change is being
| effected by commerce and industry, and not by
| natural causes
Tater Gumfries
wrote:
> On Feb 23, 10:34 am, Tater Gumfries <ta...@kernsholler.net> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 22, 11:08 am, "leonard7...@gmail.com" <leonard7...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Essentially no heat source is relevant,
>
> > Ridiculous. All heat sources are relevant.
>
> > Learn some science.
> > Tater
>
> ø All you AGW alarmist jackasses deride any one
> who disagrees with their lies. It is you, potato
> head, who needs to learn some science.
Tater knows his science, you don't.
Tater
Tater Gumfries
>
> > On Feb 22, 11:08 am, "leonard7...@gmail.com" <leonard7...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Essentially no heat source is relevant,
>
> > Ridiculous. All heat sources are relevant.
>
> > Learn some science.
> > Tater
>
> ø All you AGW alarmist jackasses deride any one
> who disagrees with their lies. It is you, potato
> head, who needs to learn some science.
Tater knows his science, you don't.
Tater
Last Post
ø ROTFLMAO — you are some silly fool, Fried Potato.
Patriot Games
<ta...@kernsholler.net> wrote:
>On Feb 23, 10:47�am, "leonard7...@gmail.com" <leonard7...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>> On Feb 23, 10:34�am, Tater Gumfries <ta...@kernsholler.net> wrote:
>> > On Feb 22, 11:08�am, "leonard7...@gmail.com" <leonard7...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > � �Essentially no heat source is relevant,
>> > Ridiculous. All heat sources are relevant.
>> > Learn some science.
>> > Tater
>> � � who disagrees with their lies. It is you, potato
>> � � head, who needs to learn some science.
>Tater knows his science, you don't.
Maybe Leonard doesn't know you're a Proven Liar?
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:20:34 -0800 (PST), Tartarus <tart...@rome.com>
wrote:
>On Jan 26, 3:40�pm, AnAmericanCitizen <NoAmne...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> President Bush, has admitted he made some mistakes.
>No, he hasn't.
"Clearly, putting `Mission Accomplished' on an aircraft carrier was a
mistake," he [Bush] said Monday.
http://www.thestar.com/article/569450
Its not a coincidence that most Liars are Frauds and most Frauds are
also Liars:
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Last Post
ø The 'fried potato' hjas no science but jumps in with
irrelevant idiocies at will.
ø The issue is really irrelevant.
Nobody can control the wind
Nobody can control the rain or snow
Nobody (collectively) can control climate.
Global temps are within natural variations
Oceans heating are a prelude to glaciation
Get used to it!!
— —
| In real science the burden of proof is always
| on the proposer, never on the sceptics. So far
| neither IPCC nor anyone else has provided one
| iota of valid data for global warming nor have
| they provided data that climate change is being
| effected by commerce and industry, and not by
| natural causes