A pair of environmentalists, protesting what they said are attempts to
suppress evidence of global warming, were arrested October 23 after
spending several hours perched on a ledge at a National Oceanic and
Atmospheric Administration building in Silver Spring, Maryland.
See Details
http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/
Also see:
Fw: Climate protesters occupy federal building. We need your help now
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ClimateArchive/message/3782
All they needed was a push.
HR wrote:
> All they needed was a push.
You must be one of those has-been compassionate conservatives but won't
admit it.
10/23 3:45pm: Activists removed and arrested. 2 Climate activists were
occupying the roof of NOAA entrance w/ banner, (at 1305 East West
Highway, Silver Spring, MD) for release of govt report on global
warming.
Additional information and updates at:
http://dc.indymedia.org/index.php
> Global warming civil disobedience protest at NOAA headquarters
I guess nowadays to speak the truth and nothing but the truth is
considered "bigotry" or just being "antisemantic". Hard to imagine
what's coming next, besides WW-III.
Sorry to have to inform you folks, as obviously you simply didn't
realize that this anti-think-tank from hell is their all-out Democratic
plus Republican Jew's for Bush infomercial Usenet, of
disinformation-R-us and of their skewed infomercial-history as well as
infomercial-science to boot.
If you'd support their Third Reich agenda, in which case you're right at
home, as otherwise our notions of ever moderating the ongoing collateral
damage and carnage of the innocent is summarily screwed, blued and
tattooed.
Didn't you folks realize that Kissinger is still giving those necessary
oral blow jobs to our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) whenever
Condoleeza Rice isn't available.
GW doesn't stand much of a chance in hell of getting the attention it
needs, and that's only because of the ulterior motives and hidden
agendas that are still pushing all the right buttons, and folks all
around are remaining as so totally dumbfounded.
-
Brad Guth
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See how Jews are masters at/in creating Anti-Semitism all on their
on & like Sharon said they "do all they can to increase anti-Semitism",
... the "all" in it implies that they love every little addition to it that
YOU
can conjure up for them. So, carry on and spread it, Brad. They'll
love you for it!... Even that beautiful rabbi Hier from their Tolerance
Museum will bless you. Rabbi Hier who according to Sharon is a
Judeo-Nazi too, especially when you realize that if you insert the letters
"tl" into the middle of "Hier" you'll get "Hitler". Jews are sharp, Brad.
Give dues where dues are due, man, although I have never gotten
an answer to what to we get back from Isreal for our dues which
amount annually to $3-7 billion per year for the last 60 years, all of
which came from taxes that got extorted off the tables from poor
American families...
>
>
"Brad Guth" <brad...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9756e4f34c8e01a07ed...@mygate.mailgate.org...
> "Fast Pat" <np...@juno.com> wrote in message
> news:1161688938....@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com
>> A pair of environmentalists, were arrested October 23 >> See Details
>> http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/
>
[Brad]
> I guess nowadays to speak the truth and nothing but the truth is
> considered "bigotry" or just being "antisemantic". Hard to imagine
> what's coming next, besides WW-III.
>
> Sorry to have to inform you folks, as obviously you simply didn't
> realize that this anti-think-tank from hell is their all-out Democratic
> plus Republican Jew's for Bush infomercial Usenet, of
> disinformation-R-us and of their skewed infomercial-history as well as
> infomercial-science to boot.
>
> If you'd support their Third Reich agenda, in which case you're right at
> home, as otherwise our notions of ever moderating the ongoing collateral
> damage and carnage of the innocent is summarily screwed, blued and
> tattooed.
>
> Didn't you folks realize that Kissinger is still giving those necessary
> oral blow jobs to our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) whenever
> Condoleeza Rice isn't available.
>
> GW doesn't stand much of a chance in hell of getting the attention it
> needs, and that's only because of the ulterior motives and hidden
> agendas that are still pushing all the right buttons, and folks all
> around are remaining as so totally dumbfounded.
> -
> Brad Guth
>
[hanson]
that "GW not getting the attention it needs" maybe simply because
it is promulgated by the believers of the green bible that says:
= "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
= believe is true ... -- Paul Watson, Greenpeace, and ......
= "A lot of environmental [sci/soc/pol] messages are simply not
= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
= "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
The fact is that ~ 50% of humankind have recognozed and accepted
Global Warming long time ago and have joyfully adapted to it.
http://www.cigarintel.com/agency/wp-content/uploads/globalwarming.jpg
Enjoy, Brad!.... ahahahaha... ahahahanson
Ladders, Then and Now, and Abbie and Ellie
On Monday I was arrested after being perched with Paul Burman for four
hours on a foot and a half wide ledge about 25 feet up over the
main entrance to NOAA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric
Administration, in Silver Spring, Md. We had unfurled a banner which
said, "Bush: Let NOAA Tell the Truth." This was a reference to the
actions since 2001 of Bush-appointed NOAA Administrator Conrad
Lautenbacher and his political proteges. They have been consistently
towing the Bush/Cheney line of denying the seriousness of global
heating and suppressing NOAA scientists whose research shows otherwise.
As I said in a statement distributed on Monday, "we must act to
preserve our threatened environment, we must provide hope to our
children and grandchildren and we must do our duty as American
citizens. Those of us who understand the depth of the crisis we are
entering must face our fears and take action commensurate with that
understanding."
(More information on this action and the issues can be found at
http://www.climateemergency.org .)
It was hard,
the first time,
climbing 25 feet
up our
newly-bought
32-foot extension ladder,
practicing behind
the CCAN building
the Friday before
the Monday action.
Before this action
I had a fear of heights,
perhaps the result
of falling from a pear tree
as a kid,
hitting my head
on a ladder-
on a ladder-
knocked out unconscious,
coming to
on my couch at home
with my dear mother-
My late mother,
my mother who loved me,
who sacrificed for me,
who gave me an example
of what Micah meant
when he said,
"And what does God
require of you
but to do justice,
and to love kindness,
and to walk humbly with your God."
--With my dear mother
there to take me
to the hospital
for an overnight stay
for my one day's concussion.
I've been afraid
of high places
ever since.
So that first time,
practicing on the ladder,
I needed another emotion
to overcome,
or at least neutralize,
that fear.
And so,
as I climbed up
and climbed down
those 25 feet,
again and again and again,
I thought of Abbie,
my four year old niece,
and I thought of Ellie,
her 1 ½ year old sister,
whom I spent a weekend with
two months ago,
a wonderful time watching,
playing and laughing with,
thanks to my father
who organized
a weekend lakeside reunion
for his three children
and their families.
But their world is threatened.
It is an open question,
at best,
if they will have a future
worth living for,
worth living in.
I believe this deeply.
And so I climbed,
rung by rung, over and over,
until my fear
was lessened
so that,
on Monday morning,
as the skies lightened,
and the hour arrived,
I was ready to ascend
to the NOAA ledge.
And for four hours
I felt not scared
but liberated-
almost at home,
where I should be,
with brother Paul Burman,
as underneath us,
and with news helicopters flying overhead,
the drama unfolded.
Where I should be,
where others should be,
figuratively,
if we are to prevent
looming climate catastrophe,
If we are to create
a new and hopeful world.
I believe such a world is possible.
And we cannot let our fears
keep us from doing
what is necessary-
whatever is necessary-
to get to it.
Abbie and Ellie,
Children everywhere,
Future generations
Need us now.
--------
...
> > Brad Guth
> >
> [hanson]
> that "GW not getting the attention it needs" maybe simply because ...
"To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards out of men."
-Abraham Lincoln
Modern, attributal definitions of enviro classifications:
========= enviro Class (1) --- the Green shit(s):
...are the ones who advocate, promote, support, legalize,
institute and extort the permit charges, the user fees, the
enviro surtaxes and the CO2/Carbon tax, all reflected in
HIGHER PRICES of goods and services!, ...and being
responsible for much of the OUT-SOURCING!
========= enviro Class (2) -- the Green turd(s):
... are the ones who are recipients and beneficiaries from
the lootings of (1), directly or indirectly.
========= enviro Class (3) -- the Little green idiot(s):
.. are the unpaid, well-meaning ones who think they do
something for the "environment", when in fact they are only
the enablers and facilitators for (2) who are harvesting the
green $$$ that (1) has extorted.
ahahaha... AHAHAHA... ahahahahahanson
What do you suggest they do instead?
You wrote: ... enviro Class (2) -- the Green turd(s): ... are the ones
who are recipients and beneficiaries from the lootings of (1), directly
or indirectly.
Some of those listed below are recipients and beneficiaries of
lootings.
>From who? aha
National Integrated Drought Information System (NIDIS) Workshop
Longmont, Colorado
21-22 Sept. 2006
Presentations do not include climate change or global warming.
This looks like a government boondoggle to me (peak season color in
the mountains. It's a double whammy (public money spent and greenhouse
gas emissions from airline travel and rental cars for sightseeing -
better to give the money to the people suffering from the drought than
this.
Listed attendees from the National Weather Service are shown below.
The first one shown was responsible for my removal from government
service for being outspoken about the hydrologic implications of
climate change in the Upper Midwest. Other government employees with
NOAA and other agencies not shown.
Daniel Luna
Hydrologist in Charge
North Central River Forecast Center
NOAA National Weather Service
Chanhassen, MN
Douglas Kluck
Climate Services Program Leader
Central Region Headquarters
NOAA National Weather Service
Kansas City, MO
Geoffrey M. Bonnin
Chief, Hydrologic Science and Modeling Branch
Office of Hydrologic Development
NOAA National Weather
Silver Spring, MD
Seann Reed
Hydrologic Science and Modeling Branch
Office of Hydrologic Development
NOAA National Weather Service
Silver Spring, MD
Michael J. Brewer
Climate Services
NOAA National Weather Service
Silver Spring, MD
Douglas M. LeComte
Climate Prediction Center
NOAA National Weather Service NCEP
Camp Springs, MD
Fiona Horsfall
NOAA National Weather Service
Silver Spring, MD
Wendy L. Pearson
Central Region Headquarters
NOAA National Weather Service
Kansas City, MO
Thomas Gurss
Hydrologist in Charge
Missouri Basin River Forecast Center
NOAA National Weather Service
Pleasant Hill, MO
Bill Proenza
Director, Southern Region
NOAA National Weather Service
Fort Worth, TX
Ben Weiger
Chief, Hydrologic Services Branch
NOAA National Weather Service Southern Region
Fort Worth, TX
Victor Murphy
Climate Service Focal Point
NOAA National Weather Service
Southern Region Headquarters
Fort Worth, TX
David G. Brandon
Chief - Hydrology and Climate Services Division
Regional Forecast Office, Western Region
NOAA NWS / Colorado Basin River Forecast Center
Salt Lake City, UT
Andrea Bair
NOAA National Weather Service
S. State St.Salt Lake City, UT
Robert Glancy
Warning Coordination Meteorologist
NOAA National Weather Service
Boulder, CO
Treste Huse
Senior Service Hydrologist
NOAA National Weather Service
Boulder, CO
http://www.joss.ucar.edu/joss_psg/meetings/nidis/presentations.html
---
> Give dues where dues are due, man, although I have never gotten
> an answer to what to we get back from Isreal for our dues which
> amount annually to $3-7 billion per year for the last 60 years, all of
> which came from taxes that got extorted off the tables from poor
> American families...
You don't learn. I said you'd be in Zimbabwe now
(waiting to be naturalized) if it wasn't for the money
you spent for Israelis.
That's how it works. You _pay_ for what you are.
You're too tense Hassan :) Relax, or rather, learn to
relax. Here is a few clues:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpsAvfXjoWw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwLJhBzs-jo&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZegHk4qDaQ&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNWjC0dSDLo&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0UF5g8-I9E&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPqD14im4SA&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWFYbELbUVU&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPQ8wflik2A&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4DydQHilmM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab3brIk5wDU&mode=related&search=
--
"she'r cherA migi ke tuye ghAfiyash bemuni?"
[Fatty regurgitates]
>> [hanson]
>> ahahaha... who is protesting here?...
>
[hanson]
This is a continuation of your whining from Oct. 7th, 2006
ahahaha... OBVIOUSLY because YOU do protest again
against your firing which you acknowledge in your enemy
list below, saying: "....The first one shown was responsible
for my removal from government service". Judging by your
behavior here in these NG's it appears that they might
have good cause to do what they did.... ahahahahaha...
>
[Fatty]
> What do you suggest they do instead?
>
[hanson]
How should I know? I am not the head of a Bureaucracy and
here to advise & counsel on employee grievances... ahahaha....
>
[Fatty]
> You [hanson] wrote: ... enviro Class (2) -- the Green turd(s):
> ... are the ones who are recipients and beneficiaries from
> the lootings of (1), directly or indirectly.
> Some of those listed below are recipients and beneficiaries
> of lootings.
>>From who? aha
>
[hanson]
The names in your list below are virtually all ecologists and not
environmentalists much less of the class 2 type, a fact which you
yourself do acknowledge in your next paragraph. So what is
the purpose of your lengthy enemy list below, besides you
expressing your anger that they were the agents that contributed
to your professional demise?... I expressed my condolences to
you about your misfortune in the Oct. 6 post sets...
Do you need to hear it again?....
ahahaha.... ahahahanson
>
>
[Fatty's enemy list]
-
> [hanson]
> The names in your list below are virtually all ecologists
Wrong.
>So what is the purpose of your lengthy enemy list
It' snot an enemy list. NWS was the only agency or group that could
have educated and energized the public into doing something about GHG
driven GW, at least as far back as 1993. Dean Braatz NWS NCRFC told
national news media he would not answer any question dealing with
global warming during his interviews with national media in the summer
Midwest floods of 1993. NWS was already censoring their scientists to
not talk about global warming in the early Clinton-Gore years, probably
as a result of Gore's comments then about GW. Because Gore isn't a
meteorologist and said what he thought about GW, the arrogant NWS and
other meteorologists (mostly republicans?) voted down the democrats and
are still to stubborn to admit they failed the world by their skeptic
off the record comments to other meteorologists, other govs (local
state fed) TV radio newspaper.. 120 offices staffed round the clock in
every state.
> besides you expressing your anger
I'm not angry. This is my idea of fun. aha aha
> that they were the agents that contributed
> to your professional demise?
aha
> ... I expressed my condolences
aha aha
(snip)> >
> So, Mehram thanks for the demonstration of your music taste. But such
> Rue Pigalle/Existentialist/Williams doped music above is almost as
> bad as is Klezmer in Tel Aviv --- but by far not as bad as were your
> Irani-Bandari tunes that you were proselitzising with, on Oct 21, 06, in
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/89ad044a5cdf1572
> which are nothing more than a mix of Bob Marly Plagiarisms & Havanna
> Teqila/Havana Degila whinings acomp'ed by Belly dancers who couldn't
> even do a simple Pole dance right... ahahaha... ahahaha... Horrible!
That Bandari music is about a few thousand years old.
Where was "Bob Marley" then? It was created when humans
started to go places using boats.
Just because your history limits you to the miserable
300 year old buildings (on which we used to urinate on
at 1am in Tehran, after drinking a few beers) that you
preserve so desparately in Reading, Massachusetts, it
shouldn't give you the scientist the idea that any
Iranian stuff falls into same category.
Ok, if you can't relax by Jobim's works then I'll give
you one to burn! You know, like how Ritalin works.
Watch this Iranian singer (Omid, in Persian meaning
"hope") singing an Iranian song for the ... you got it,
ISRAELIS! Hassan, try to get some clue where your 3-7
B/yr has been going :-))) Hey, he even speaks Hebrew
for you too :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B0o1Tbv5dU&mode=related&search=
Oh well, Hassan, you may want to learn from this
innocent clip not to mess with Iranians after all. We
even gave you your religion. We _chose_ it for you :)
We fine-tuned them for your Westernly limited brains.
You and your CIA are chicken shit when we decide to put
some time aside to deal with you. Chicken shit. If
Stalin, hovering on us at the height of his
power/popularity didn't scare OR divert us from kicking
his ass out of Iranians' affairs, you won't honey. 60
times 3-7 B/yr. Hmm. I'd say you'r just about paying
off your dead dads' 1953 half-day jingobatics in
Tehran. Then comes a few other issues, each requiring
hard earned dollars. Money slaved for in USA, earned in
USA, and then _religiously_ spent for the benefit of
Iran in a hellhole we've kept for you, called Israel.
But lets not forget why I had you listen to that song.
As you noticed, that song is also Bandari. Starting
with pure Iranian part of it, then adding the
African-Indian touch to it. Relaxing yet? I bet.
--
"harke nAmokht az gozashteh ruzgAr
niz nAmuzad ze hich AmuzgAr"
- Rudaki
BTW, did Muha perhaps order you to wash yourself with
sand 5x times a day because these strange pissing habits
were already common in your culture even back then, and
it struck him then as being a revolting habit and as a public
heath threat?.... ahahaha... BTW, Mehram, are you guys
still carrying that stone in your pocket with which you wipe
the last drop of piss from your dicklets, before zipping up?
.... ahahahaha...
>
[Mehram]
> Ok, if you can't relax by Jobim's works then I'll give
> you one to burn! You know, like how Ritalin works.
>
[hanson]
Mehram.... no, I don't know how Ritalin works on me and
don't give me anything else to relax especially if it burns....
ahahahaha... Bad scene, Mehram. A curdandero you ain't
much less an MD... ahahaha...
>
[Mehram]
> Watch this Iranian singer (Omid, in Persian meaning
> "hope") singing an Iranian song for the ISRAELIS!
'
[hanson]
it's nothing but Yiddishe wailing that turns into castrati type
monastery wincing, then converts into muezzin type howling
from the minaret and ends up in a fucking havana tequila
dance beat. Horrible, horrible... I hated this type of "music"
during all my years in that region from Casablanca to Tehran
to Madras, as bad as I detest the fucking "rap" crap today.
...No wonder that kind of "moosak" makes you piss at house
walls, you poor guy... The only good thing in your clip is that
apparently Jewish and Muslim youngsters got together and
proved that they can tolerated each others shit instead of
killing each other... Hope is still alive... Great!
>
[Mehram]
> Oh well, Hassan, you may want to learn from this
> innocent clip not to mess with Iranians after all. We
> even gave you your religion. We _chose_ it for you :)
> We fine-tuned them for your Westernly limited brains.
>
[hanson]
Yeah right, Mehram, but I don't know why you are bringing
up your idol, role model and fetish of Hassan here again.
After all he messed with the Jews recently... ahahaha...
But, Mehram, besides your confusion here, you are
right on that "religion-giving", fine tuned or not, because it
was Abe, the Arab who some 6KY ago gave birth to
the criminal base for the sociopathy of Monotheism which
has infected the world's population with the cursed trinity
of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Detailed stats here:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/9b171ad71f5177e4
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/bb4bc67c17fc21d9
>
[Mehram]
> You and your CIA are chicken shit when we decide to
> put some time aside to deal with you. Chicken shit. If
> Stalin, hovering on us at the height of his
> power/popularity didn't scare OR divert us from kicking
> his ass out of Iranians' affairs, you won't honey. 60
> times 3-7 B/yr. Hmm. I'd say you'r just about paying
> off your dead dads' 1953 half-day jingobatics in
> Tehran. Then comes a few other issues, each requiring
> hard earned dollars. Money slaved for in USA, earned in
> USA, and then _religiously_ spent for the benefit of
> Iran in a hellhole we've kept for you, called Israel.
>
[hanson]
If your full-political tirade above... (events which dragged you
guys into the 20 thecentury, for which you should be profoundly
grateful to our dads, as it delivered you from your custom of
sitting in the sand and roasting your dates over camel shit) ...
... is any indication of how your music is supposed to relax
you/me, then my analysis about it is far more factual than yours,
Mehram.... ahahahaha
>
[Mehram]
> But lets not forget why I had you listen to that song.
> As you noticed, that song is also Bandari. Starting
> with pure Iranian part of it, then adding the
> African-Indian touch to it.
>
[hanson]
From the tone and content of your post above it sounds
that Bandari whining made YOU anything BUT relaxed.
>
[Mehram]
Relaxing yet? I bet.
>
[hanson]
No, try again. ... and do NOT bet!... It's against the Qran!
You are a sinner, Mehram!.... ahahaha...
But, thanks for the laughs!..... ahahaha.... ahahanson
>>> [hanson]
>>>So what is the purpose of your lengthy enemy list
>>[Fast Pat]
>> ... Midwest floods of 1993. NWS was already censoring their scientists to
not talk about global warming in the early Clinton-Gore years, probably
as a result of Gore's comments then about GW. Because Gore isn't a
meteorologist and said what he thought about GW, the arrogant NWS and
other meteorologists (mostly republicans?) voted down the democrats and
are still to stubborn to admit they failed the world by their skeptic
off the record comments to other meteorologists, other govs (local
state fed) TV radio newspaper.. 120 offices staffed round the clock in
every state.
>>> [hanson]
>>> besides you expressing your anger
>>[Fast Pat]
>>I'm not angry. This is my idea of fun. aha aha
> [hanson]
> OK, so the enemy list & your posts are "snot"...
> Well, that is green too.
> Have fun!...ahahaha... ahahanson
Thanks, I will continue to have fun, now here is a question. Who is
most at fault for the 12+ year delay in taking global warming
seriously? ... arrogant NWS and other meteorologists or Al Gore who
wrote and said what he thought about global warming?
>>Al Gore? Al Gore isn't credible on anything.
>
>And Bush is?
Gosh Lloyd, I didn't realise that George Bush had made a movie,
promoting his political agenda...
Retief
Sure he did: APOCALYPSE NOW.
-
Morton Davis wrote... Al Gore? Al Gore isn't credible on anything.
Morton,
I believe that partly because of what Al Gore said about global warming
during the 1990s - censorship and suppression of federal research into
global warming was already going on in US government agencies before
Bush took office in 2001.
National Weather Service (NWS) directors, regional directors, staff at
river forecast centers and staff at Weather Service Forecast Offices in
the US were intimidated by Al Gore during the 1990s when Al Gore, a
non-meteorologist, was already quite outspoken about global warming.
Thus, ... inspector generals for the Commerce Department and NASA, who
have begun "co- ordinated, sweeping investigations of the Bush
administration's censorship and suppression" on federal research into
global warming, SHOULD NOT limit their investigation to just the Bush
administration but to the Clinton / Gore administration as well.
There is plenty of evidence that censorship and suppression of federal
research into global warming was going on before 2001 - at NWS
headquarter, NWS Central Region and the NWS North Central River
Forecast Center in Chanhassen, MN.
"Investigations begin into whether Bush administration muzzled climate
research", Nov 01 7:50 PM US/Eastern
http://www.breitbart.com/news/na/cp_g110104A.xml.html
>>
> [Mehram]
>> Just because your history limits you to the miserable
>> 300 year old buildings (on which we used to urinate on
>> at 1am in Tehran, after drinking a few beers)
>>
> [hanson]
> ... wow, Mehram, I am impressed that you reveal your own
> Persian-Islamic Culture so proudly that way:... **Pissing at
> house walls in public**.... ahahahaha... and I thought all the
> while that your prophet was forbidding the intake of EtOH.
>
What! Forbidding? Ohhohhoho :) No I'm not
laughing at what you said :) But at what you
are. Boy, I can even analyze your most
innocent inadvertent utterings and childish
mischief all the way into the heart of what
you are and/or represent. God how many times
I have said this in this forum... . I'm
telling you, you're stupid.
Forbidding! You don't know Islam. Let me set
this thing straight before I go. I mean if
this is possible at all with a Westerner. And
I'm running out of time and patience for this
kind of crap. Mohammad didn't say "You must
not drink alcohol!". He really never said
anything, in any other contexts and issues as
well, in this manner. Islam is not about
obedience to what _he_ says. He said
something like, "Drinking alcohol for
pleasure is obviously associated with results
that include illness and carelessness and
therefore, ultimately, sin towards the
innocent (one's kids, wife, etc.) so let's
together promise not to drink it for pleasure
after all." And his adherents' sensitivity
toward this issue, today, is out of respect
for him. Those who practice Islam respect his
words very much, they really love the guy.
This whole "Islam" thing grew out of respect
for that man, a heck of an individual to have
and be around. And if you knew just what
degree of loyalty Arabs of the Arabian
Penninsula are capable of (towards those they
have respect for that is) then you'd know why
Islam is powerful and intact today as it was
in those years. Islam would not have been
successful had it appeared first inside Iran
proper. We _owe_ the development as well as
safekeeping of this wonderful thing to Arabs
of the Arabian Penninsula. Now and forever.
When a practicing Moslem watches you the
jackass drinking alcohol in his/her presence,
you are being disrespectful towards Mohammad.
You are exhibiting "infidelity" towards him.
It's all a matter of respect for Mohammad. That's
what offends the practicer.
Needless to say, I have never been
disrespectful towards Mohammad. I value him
so much. If it happened that I drank, it was
out of again respect towards a more "local"
situation, some arrangement limited to the
locality of the time and place, and never
extending beyond it into what lays
everywhere inside me in the background. How
on earth can anyone be disrespectful towards
someone like Mohammad anyway? I mean one has to
either be ignorant of who he was or stupid as
sin. Pick your choice you infidel :-)
I have to go, but once more:
Listen to me you newcomer piece of shit.
Nobody is born Moslem! Adherents of
sensibility and logic, of love and grattitude
towards valuable things in life, are
_automatically_ Moslems. We came FIRST,
before our practices and modes of life was at
last named "Islam". You? You Westerner have
Dark Age to find in yourself.
--
"tofe sarbAlA barmigardeh be rishe sAhAbesh."