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Enough Already

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May 9, 2008, 12:01:34 PM5/9/08
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Burma has close to 48 million people in an area slightly smaller than
Texas (USA). As the population grows (mindlessly, like everywhere),
more trees are lost. Mangroves used to form a coastal buffer against
extreme storm surges, but 3/4ths of them have been cleared for shrimp
and rice farming since the 1920s. See http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/05/09/asia/mangrove.php

This is similar to what happened with hurricane Katrina. Too many
barrier wetlands have been filled in for development (a.k.a.
population growth), making them unable to absorb storm surges as they
naturally would. Florida also suffers from this condition. Record
storms reveal the idiocy of destroying nature in the name of "economic
growth."

A parallel reason we're seeing larger death tolls is that more people
are living in disaster-prone areas. Population growth creates a
vicious cycle of less buffer protection and more people at the mercy
of the elements.

Until it becomes politically correct to promote birth control vs.
"meeting the needs of a growing population," mindless growth will
continue until the 11th hour. Actually, the 11th hour has long been
upon us, but growthism wipes out all reason.

E.A.

http://enough_already.tripod.com/

Indifference to nature can be fatal.

Chief...@hotmail.com

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May 9, 2008, 2:18:51 PM5/9/08
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On May 9, 12:01 pm, Enough Already <enough_alre...@lycos.com> wrote:
> Burma has close to 48 million people in an area slightly smaller than
> Texas (USA). As the population grows (mindlessly, like everywhere),
> more trees are lost. Mangroves used to form a coastal buffer against
> extreme storm surges, but 3/4ths of them have been cleared for shrimp
> and rice farming since the 1920s. Seehttp://www.iht.com/articles/2008/05/09/asia/mangrove.php

>
> This is similar to what happened with hurricane Katrina. Too many
> barrier wetlands have been filled in for development (a.k.a.
> population growth), making them unable to absorb storm surges as they
> naturally would. Florida also suffers from this condition. Record
> storms reveal the idiocy of destroying nature in the name of "economic
> growth."


This is not the case in Myanmar (Burma) at all. These areas have been
habitated by people
since before Christ, and are not filled-in wetlands. Displacing these
people for safety reasons
would be like making Ethiopeans leave their country because of
possible famine, or the Swiss
leave the Alps because of possible avalanches.

James

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May 9, 2008, 3:15:47 PM5/9/08
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<Chief...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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What is upsetting to me, and probably not many others, is the anger
shown by other governments and people that we be allowed in to help.
They are an isolationist country and it's no ones business but theirs.
And that's the way they want it. Now, I'm hearing some bad mouth from us
and the U.N. on their leaders. It seems it doesn't matter what they
want, we know what is best for them.

It shouldn't matter how their country is run but to most it seems, we
would be justified going in there by force. For humanity reasons
naturally. How arrogant and demanding we have become.


Ouroboros_Rex

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May 9, 2008, 3:32:39 PM5/9/08
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No, that's the way their ruling generals want it. They, themselves, are
dying. Not normally a preferred condition.


Now, I'm hearing some bad mouth from
> us and the U.N. on their leaders. It seems it doesn't matter what they
> want, we know what is best for them.

See above.

>
> It shouldn't matter how their country is run but to most it seems, we
> would be justified going in there by force. For humanity reasons
> naturally. How arrogant and demanding we have become.

Feel free to perish along with them, since that is the solution you are
backing.


James

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May 9, 2008, 4:31:47 PM5/9/08
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"Ouroboros_Rex" <i...@casual.com> wrote in message
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It doesn't matter who rules it. People like you assign a negative and
think it justifies whatever you decide. Pathetic.

Peter Franks

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May 9, 2008, 5:46:49 PM5/9/08
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It is better to have lived and died than to never have lived at all.

Peter Franks

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May 9, 2008, 5:48:05 PM5/9/08
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That statement was not intended to convey a lack of responsibility or
resource management.

mrbawana2u

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May 9, 2008, 9:02:07 PM5/9/08
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On May 9, 12:01 pm, Enough Already <enough_alre...@lycos.com> wrote:
> Burma has close to 48 million people in an area slightly smaller than
> Texas (USA). As the population grows (mindlessly, like everywhere),
> more trees are lost. Mangroves used to form a coastal buffer against
> extreme storm surges, but 3/4ths of them have been cleared for shrimp
> and rice farming since the 1920s. Seehttp://www.iht.com/articles/2008/05/09/asia/mangrove.php

>
> This is similar to what happened with hurricane Katrina. Too many
> barrier wetlands have been filled in for development (a.k.a.
> population growth), making them unable to absorb storm surges as they
> naturally would.

The demonkrap parasites can move anytime.
The poor ignorant people of Burma can not move, you pathetic fucktard.
Tough shit.

> Florida also suffers from this condition. Record
> storms reveal the idiocy of destroying nature in the name of "economic
> growth."

Nature isn't being destroyed, lunatic.
"Record storms" are not caused by condos, lunatic.

> A parallel reason we're seeing larger death tolls is that more people
> are living in disaster-prone areas.

They live there because of poverty, retard.
Prosperity would give them options.

> Population growth creates a
> vicious cycle of less buffer protection and more people at the mercy
> of the elements.

Prosperity would give them options.
Hate it, don't ya?

> Until it becomes politically correct to promote birth control vs.
> "meeting the needs of a growing population," mindless growth will
> continue until the 11th hour. Actually, the 11th hour has long been
> upon us, but growthism wipes out all reason.

So, lunatic, you got nothing as usual.

John M.

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May 10, 2008, 2:53:04 AM5/10/08
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So what exactly did you intend with this statement?

V-for-Vendicar

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May 10, 2008, 4:05:25 AM5/10/08
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"mrbawana2u" <mrbaw...@gmail.com> wrote

> They live there because of poverty, retard.
> Prosperity would give them options.

It would. So why has AmeriKKKa conspired for so long to keep Birma poor?

V-for-Vendicar

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May 10, 2008, 4:06:20 AM5/10/08
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"Peter Franks" <no...@none.com> wrote

> It is better to have lived and died than to never have lived at all.

Both options sum to zero.

V-for-Vendicar

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"James" <king...@iglou.com> wrote

> It shouldn't matter how their country is run but to most it seems, we
> would be justified going in there by force. For humanity reasons
> naturally. How arrogant and demanding we have become.

Is this the same James who defended at length the illegal AmeriKKKan
invasion of Iraq?

The same James who criticized at length the AmeriKKKan Humanitarian effort
in Somalia?

KKKonservatives are like that. The KKKonservative Ideology.. .War of
agresssion good. War for resources better. Humanitarian efforts bad.

simple_...@yahoo.com

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Islam broke world records of genocide, slavery, religiously sanctioned
rape, abuse of human rights, and prohibition of scientific inquiry. It
forbids Muslim emigration to the lands of the infidels because a
Muslim minority cannot enslave the infidel majority. Despite this
prohibition Muslims emigrate to the West, not as migrants, but as
conquerors. They live in sharia mini-states and expand these mini-
states by terrorizing infidel neighbors and driving them out. Arabic
proverb says "first comes Saturday, then Sunday." It means that Arabs
are going to exterminate Jews before they exterminate Christians. It
also means that Israel is the first line of defense against Islam.

“I have been made victorious with terror.” - Muhammad (according to
Sahih Bukhari)

Europe’s Muslim population is set to increase from around 13% today to
between 22% and 37% of the population by 2025. source:
http://news.scotsman.com/europeanunion/CIA-gives-grim-warning-on.2595505.jp

The average European couple now has fewer than 1.4 babies, compared to
3.6 babies born to the average Muslim immigrant couple in Europe.
Across Western Europe 16 to 20 percent of babies are being born into
Muslim families… By 2025, one-third of all European children will be
born to Muslims… In Italy, 95% of all rapists are Muslims. Eighty-five
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from rape (95% of rapists are Muslim), murder (85% of murderers are
Muslim), theft and looting of cars (58% committed by Muslims) and
street fighting to assault on teachers and civil servants… source:
http://www.masada2000.org/islam.html

"There does not exist an identifiable body of Muslims, substantive in
number or an outright majority, who could be described as "moderate"
by their repudiation of Muslim extremists. Violence has been an
integral part of Muslim history, irrespective of whether it is
sanctioned by Islam, and Muslims who unhesitatingly use violence to
advance their political ambitions have created a climate within their
faith culture that any Muslim who questions such practice is then
deemed apostate and subject to harm. Consequently, what might pass for
"moderate" Muslims, the large number of Muslims unaccounted for as to
what they think, in practical terms constitute a forest within which
extremists are incubated, nurtured, given ideological and material
support, and to which they return for sanctuary." - Salim Mansur

Peter Franks

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May 10, 2008, 9:27:31 AM5/10/08
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That arbitrary birth control is a poor choice.

James

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May 10, 2008, 10:31:58 AM5/10/08
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"V-for-Vendicar" <Jus...@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote in message
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>
> "James" <king...@iglou.com> wrote
>> It shouldn't matter how their country is run but to most it seems, we
>> would be justified going in there by force. For humanity reasons
>> naturally. How arrogant and demanding we have become.
>
> Is this the same James who defended at length the illegal AmeriKKKan
> invasion of Iraq?

Nope

>
> The same James who criticized at length the AmeriKKKan Humanitarian
> effort in Somalia?

Nope

>
> KKKonservatives are like that. The KKKonservative Ideology.. .War of
> agresssion good. War for resources better. Humanitarian efforts bad.

Such a liar. Tsk.


James

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May 10, 2008, 10:40:21 AM5/10/08
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<simple_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Islam is more an ideology disguised as a religion. That way you can make
it up as you go and perform all sorts of mayhem. While Europe sleeps
because of their generosity and goodness, they will discover their world
gone in another few years and become part of it for survival's sake. The
past was ignored once again.


Poetic Justice

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May 10, 2008, 10:52:35 AM5/10/08
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James wrote:
>

> Islam broke world records of genocide, slavery, religiously sanctioned
> rape, abuse of human rights, and prohibition of scientific inquiry. It
> forbids Muslim emigration to the lands of the infidels because a
> Muslim minority cannot enslave the infidel majority. Despite this
> prohibition Muslims emigrate to the West, not as migrants, but as
> conquerors. They live in sharia mini-states and expand these mini-
> states by terrorizing infidel neighbors and driving them out. Arabic
> proverb says "first comes Saturday, then Sunday." It means that Arabs
> are going to exterminate Jews before they exterminate Christians. It
> also means that Israel is the first line of defense against Islam.
>
> “I have been made victorious with terror.” - Muhammad (according to
> Sahih Bukhari)
>
> Europe’s Muslim population is set to increase from around 13% today to
> between 22% and 37% of the population by 2025. source:
> http://news.scotsman.com/europeanunion/CIA-gives-grim-warning-on.2595505.jp
>
> Islam is more an ideology disguised as a religion. That way you can make
> it up as you go and perform all sorts of mayhem. While Europe sleeps
> because of their generosity and goodness, they will discover their world
> gone in another few years and become part of it for survival's sake. The
> past was ignored once again.


Lord Chamberlain has set the stage for Europe, we saw it in the time
leading up to WWII the Europeans sat on their *collective socialist ass*
and preached Love and peace while Hitler made them the FOOLS and now the
Islamics are doing the same thing....


Europeans for all their lofty rhetoric aren't very smart if they learned
nothing that was taught to them by Hitler.

Chief...@hotmail.com

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May 10, 2008, 1:25:47 PM5/10/08
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On May 9, 3:15 pm, "James" <kingko...@iglou.com> wrote:
> <Chief_Bi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> This is not the case in Myanmar (Burma) at all. These areas have been
> habitated by people
> since before Christ, and are not filled-in wetlands. Displacing these
> people for safety reasons
> would be like making Ethiopeans leave their country because of
> possible famine, or the Swiss
>
> >leave the Alps because of possible avalanches.
>
> What is upsetting to me, and probably not many others, is the anger
> shown by other governments and people that we be allowed in to help.
> They are an isolationist country and it's no ones business but theirs.
> And that's the way they want it. Now, I'm hearing some bad mouth from us
> and the U.N. on their leaders. It seems it doesn't matter what they
> want, we know what is best for them.
>
> It shouldn't matter how their country is run but to most it seems, we
> would be justified going in there by force. For humanity reasons
> naturally. How arrogant and demanding we have become.

So you justify a totalitarian military government treating a large
portion of their population, who are injured,
starving, and dying, inhumanely simply because 'it's their own
business' ? You have no compulsion to
provide aid to prevent widespread death by malnutrition and disease.
You would not have a problem
with Louisiana not providing relief to hurricane Katrina victims simpy
because it is a State issue, which in fact it was and not a Federal
one.

mrbawana2u

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May 10, 2008, 4:20:51 PM5/10/08
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On May 10, 4:05 am, "V-for-Vendicar"
<Just...@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote:
> "mrbawana2u" <mrbawan...@gmail.com> wrote

>
> > They live there because of poverty, retard.
> > Prosperity would give them options.
>
> It would. [should have stopped there, fucktard]

Yes.

John M.

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May 10, 2008, 4:22:31 PM5/10/08
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I'm not sure I understand your qualifying adjective. Birth control is
a necessary adjunct to death control. Having got the latter working
fairly well, it would be a shame to swamp all our efforts by trying to
have more people on the planet than its resources can handle. Not to
mention the fact that child mortality is greatest in countries with
little or no family planning service available.

What would you personally prefer if you had to start over. To live to
one- or two- years old, then die from a combination of malnutrition
and preventable childhood medical conditions, or to not be conceived
in the first place?

mrbawana2u

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May 10, 2008, 4:47:09 PM5/10/08
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On May 10, 4:22 pm, "John M." <john_howard_mor...@hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:

Nothing you have to worry about, cornholer.

> Having got the latter working
> fairly well, it would be a shame to swamp all our efforts by trying to
> have more people on the planet than its resources can handle.

Who decides that, retard?
Socialist cornholers?

> Not to
> mention the fact that child mortality is greatest in countries with
> little or no family planning service available.

Poor countries, retard?

> What would you personally prefer if you had to start over. To live to
> one- or two- years old, then die from a combination of malnutrition
> and preventable childhood medical conditions, or to not be conceived
> in the first place?

Retarded question, j moron.

Peter Franks

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May 10, 2008, 5:36:01 PM5/10/08
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Far and away, the better choice is to live any amount of time in any
condition than to never have been conceived in the first place.

Irrespective of that, we need to better manage and control our resources
in a cooperative way.

James

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May 10, 2008, 9:49:27 PM5/10/08
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<Chief...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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What I am saying is that we should not force our wants on others. The
aid is there if they want it. The help is there if they want it. But
that doesn't seem to be enough for pricks who love forcing others to see
it their way. When they don't, they will bad mouth them to the rest of
the world. The government structure there is irrelevant.

New Orleans victims had much they could have done themselves but chose
to sit there and let the nannies provide for them. The liberal way is to
provide everything and those people said ok which proves that government
is your enemy in these sorts of situations. Louisiana and other states
get benefit of federal moneys no matter who provides the relief.

Your analogy of Louisiana to another country is stupid.

V-for-Vendicar

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May 10, 2008, 10:18:43 PM5/10/08
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"Peter Franks" <no...@none.com> wrote

> That arbitrary birth control is a poor choice.

One wonders what "arbitrary birth control" means.


V-for-Vendicar

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May 10, 2008, 10:19:57 PM5/10/08
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>> Not to
>> mention the fact that child mortality is greatest in countries with
>> little or no family planning service available.


"mrbawana2u" <mrbaw...@gmail.com> wrote
> Poor countries, retard?

AmeriKKKan infant mortality is higher than some third world nations.

MMMMMMMMMOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNN


V-for-Vendicar

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May 10, 2008, 10:21:21 PM5/10/08
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<Chief...@hotmail.com> wrote

> So you justify a totalitarian military government treating a large
> portion of their population, who are injured,
> starving, and dying, inhumanely simply because 'it's their own
> business' ?

Well they have no oil or other assets to steal. So his motivation is
clear.

John M.

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May 11, 2008, 2:29:43 AM5/11/08
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So you prefer the "morning after " pill that causes spontaneous
abortion shortly after conception, rather than sexual abstinence by
the parties concerned, do you?

> Irrespective of that, we need to better manage and control our resources
> in a cooperative way.

When the number of people on the planet rises to a point where every
inhabitant has just a square foot each (around 2350 C.E. at current
rates of increase) management and control could just become a little
compromised, couldn't they?

John M.

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May 11, 2008, 2:31:23 AM5/11/08
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On May 11, 4:19 am, "V-for-Vendicar"

<Just...@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote:
> >> Not to
> >> mention the fact that child mortality is greatest in countries with
> >> little or no family planning service available.
>
> "mrbawana2u" <mrbawan...@gmail.com> wrote

>
> > Poor countries, retard?
>
> AmeriKKKan infant mortality is higher than some third world nations.
>
> MMMMMMMMMOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNN

Automatic response bots cannot have human conditions such as "moron"
applied to them.

Poetic Justice

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May 11, 2008, 11:05:02 AM5/11/08
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The people of burma should have used the confusion of the aftermath to
attack and kill all the government officials. Then start over by
forming a new constitutional government.

Peter Franks

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May 11, 2008, 12:01:14 PM5/11/08
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No, not any more than I prefer any other form of infanticide.

>> Irrespective of that, we need to better manage and control our resources
>> in a cooperative way.
>
> When the number of people on the planet rises to a point where every
> inhabitant has just a square foot each (around 2350 C.E. at current
> rates of increase) management and control could just become a little
> compromised, couldn't they?

Yes, more than likely. So what? I'm not advocating uncontrolled growth.

John M.

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May 11, 2008, 3:46:45 PM5/11/08
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On May 11, 5:05 pm, Poetic Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
Dog.com> wrote:

They live in a flooded river delta with no food and weapons. The
government lives in a purpose built, isolated city far from the
effects of the cyclone and aftermath. It has close on 500 000 well-
armed troops spread around the important centres and hubs.

John M.

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May 11, 2008, 3:54:33 PM5/11/08
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According to your idea about any life is better than no life, a
fertile woman who fails to make any and every possible attempt to
become pregnant when ovulating is willfully acting against this
stricture. Setting the age of consent at a point two to four years
after a normal female begins to menstruate is also a willful act -
this time by legislators.

Poetic Justice

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May 11, 2008, 6:22:31 PM5/11/08
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I guess they're pretty well fucked.

Peter Franks

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May 11, 2008, 8:31:07 PM5/11/08
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These are all of your inferences based on your ideas -- not mine.

If you would like further clarification of my viewpoint, please ask. If
you are going to assume, have a nice day.

Peter Franks

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May 11, 2008, 8:33:59 PM5/11/08
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So, how well is that working out for the people*?

(*There is absolutely NO intent in making light of their current
situation. What has happened in that area is very tragic and
unfortunate. I hope the best for all of those affected, and likewise
hope that my humanitarian contributions help in this situation, even if
just a little.)

John M.

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May 12, 2008, 2:37:40 AM5/12/08
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Peter Franks wrote and subsequently defended the following:


"It is better to have lived and died than to never have lived at all."

My inference is that it is better for an ovulating woman to conceive
and subsequently abort, than to prevent conception in some way or
another.

> If you would like further clarification of my viewpoint, please ask. If
> you are going to assume, have a nice day.

Give further clarification , please. In particular do you consider a
single-celled zygote formed by the merger of a human ovum with a human
spermatazooid to be a life. If not, how do you stand on the life or
otherwise of a 2-cell, 4-cell, 8-cell embryo?

John M.

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May 12, 2008, 2:40:48 AM5/12/08
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Your humanitarian contributions will, like those that went to Iraq
under SH, end up in the coffers of the ruling junta. I'm sure they
feel that every little helps in the drive to subjugate their people,
just as do political parties in our so-called democracies.

Peter Franks

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May 12, 2008, 12:18:07 PM5/12/08
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I'm fairly confident that my humanitarian aid will NOT end as you
outline, although I presume that, generally speaking, a lot of it will.

So, hopefully we can agree here, the problem isn't due to climate
change/warming but rather to those in power.

I propose that we will solve a lot more of the worlds ills by through
'power control' than 'climate control'. Perhaps we should primarily
focus our energies on that problem...

Peter Franks

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May 12, 2008, 12:23:43 PM5/12/08
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The line of reasoning, at the time of my statement, was along the lines
of natural (non-deliberate) causes of death.

Infanticide is virtually never appropriate.

>> If you would like further clarification of my viewpoint, please ask. If
>> you are going to assume, have a nice day.
>
> Give further clarification , please. In particular do you consider a
> single-celled zygote formed by the merger of a human ovum with a human
> spermatazooid to be a life. If not, how do you stand on the life or
> otherwise of a 2-cell, 4-cell, 8-cell embryo?

Strictly speaking, I don't know when life actually starts. I don't
think that there is consensus in the medical community either. So, in
light of that, I'd err on the side of conservatism -- presume that an
embryo is life.

Poetic Justice

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May 12, 2008, 1:13:41 PM5/12/08
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we will solve a lot more of the worlds ills through
*TAX CONTROL* than we will paying for a *WEATHER MACHINE*.


John M.

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May 12, 2008, 1:25:32 PM5/12/08
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In as much as ordinary people being rendered powerless to tackle the
world's ills, such as rampant autocracy, plutocracy, theocracy (with
their attendant nepotism) - hence being powerless in the face of
climate change, population growth, pandemics - yes, I agree with you.
The political system that just might deliver has been so vilified by
the establishment, that here in France the name has had to be changed.
We no longer speak of "Anarchism" but have it re-branded as
"participative democracy.

John M.

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May 12, 2008, 1:32:45 PM5/12/08
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With only a handful of cells, how can you identify such life as
'human'? It is indistinguishable from the embryo of every other
vertebrate until stem cells form and get weaving. The lack of
consensus in the medical community originates in the disparate
cultural backgrounds of its members.

Poetic Justice

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May 12, 2008, 1:50:32 PM5/12/08
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DNA

John M.

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May 12, 2008, 6:12:16 PM5/12/08
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On May 12, 7:50 pm, Poetic Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-

Such testing is destructive for at least one cell. At such an early
stage of development, loss of one cell would be disastrous - perhaps
lethal.

Peter Franks

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May 12, 2008, 10:33:33 PM5/12/08
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By the way, I found out that my contribution is to be used for basic
food, medical equipment, blankets, tarps, and drinking water. I'm
presuming that it will end up in the right hands.

Peter Franks

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May 12, 2008, 10:35:03 PM5/12/08
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Sure. So, given that, do you choose to err on the side conservatism? I do.

John M.

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May 13, 2008, 1:18:41 AM5/13/08
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The conservative viewpoint would say that if there are no differences
discernible, there are no differences. Therefore treat human embryos
like any other animal embryo.

Peter Franks

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May 13, 2008, 1:56:13 PM5/13/08
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If they are indiscernible, the conservative viewpoint would be to treat
all embryos as human.

John M.

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May 13, 2008, 2:21:20 PM5/13/08
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So an embryo removed from the uterus of a laboratory rat might be
human in the mind of a conservative?

Peter Franks

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May 13, 2008, 8:20:48 PM5/13/08
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No: "treat" and "might be" are two entirely different things.

I said "treat", I meant "treat". The viewpoint you proffered as
conservative is liberal. I've outlined the conservative viewpoint, and
stand behind it. Will you admit that your viewpoint is liberal, and
stand behind it, or play word games?

V-for-Vendicar

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May 14, 2008, 6:24:31 AM5/14/08
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"mrbawana2u" <mrbaw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6c0a6e87-b318-457a...@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On May 10, 4:05 am, "V-for-Vendicar"
> <Just...@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote:
>> "mrbawana2u" <mrbawan...@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>> > They live there because of poverty, retard.
>> > Prosperity would give them options.
>>
It would. So why has AmeriKKKa conspired for so long to keep Birma poor?>


V-for-Vendicar

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"Poetic Justice" <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> wrote

> The people of burma should have used the confusion of the aftermath to
> attack and kill all the government officials. Then start over by forming
> a new constitutional government.

Odd. that is exactly what the AmeriKKKan people should have done after
911.

hanson

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May 14, 2008, 12:48:01 PM5/14/08
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Gauche & loud communist, US-expatriate & pauper Scott Nudds
with his red pants on fire... ahahahaha... HAHAHAHA... ahahaha...
aka "VD-for-Vendicar" <Jus...@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> aka
VD Scotty who bragged that he **never** drove and much less
owned an automobile cranked himself grievously and then he
Scuttled his Nutts and as usual fantasized in
news:W6zWj.81125$612....@read1.cgocable.net...

>
"Poetic Justice" <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> wrote
The people of burma should have used the confusion of the
aftermath to attack and kill all the government officials.
Then start over by forming a new constitutional government.
>
VD-Scotty wrote:
Odd. that is exactly what the AmeriKKKan people should
have done after 911.
>
hanson wrote:
ahahahaha... Odder, much odder!...Why weren't you heard
of then, VD-Scotty ? After all, back then you were still a US
citizen... ahahaha... Were you busy Scuttling your Nutts like
you did here:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.global-warming/msg/9f9f07a3121db38d
wherein Naomi Goldstein-Goldman about you:
>
Dear Vendi,
I only had one single party of 5 as far as I can remember.
It's always by the dozen, normally. I am sorry that I couldn't
remember you. So, I read some more in your archive and I can
see that you are also Scott Nudds. I now do vaguely recall your
presence at that lousy party of 5 where you must have been the
one who creamed in his pants when I took my bra off and then
the other guys laughed at you and called you "Scuttle Nutts".
So, that was you Vendi, the old Scott Nudds? Isn't that something.
Either way, Vendi, I think I've made a wrong call on you. See, dear,
Short-dick/Quick-cumers like you are not best sellers in the adult
movie biz. I hope you'll understand that. Biz is biz. I'm sorry, dear.
With love,
Naomi Goldstein-Goldman
>
PS: Of course, my mom did teach me the art. The question is also
mutual: Your mom must have been teaching you the art too, huh?
<http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/44eac74649636806>
--------------------------
>
>
hanson wrote:
More fun with ped-odiuos VD Scotty, the LibratArian here
<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/msg/d6461b8201270e1d>
and here, VD-Scotty blowing dogs:
<http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/c279ff07079e8f16>
Wherein Scott Nudds aka VD-for-Vendicar scuttled his Nutts.... ahahaha..
<http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.libertarian/msg/b767cbbb...>
Pauper VD Scotty and his lack of money... ahahaha...
<http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.libertarian/msg/af3f9cc5...>
VD Scotty on governance... AHAHAHAHA....
<http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/cde0da4d1f38222d>
>
Google/groups --[ author:han...@quick.net Nudds ]--
ENJOY! ... Great fun!... ahahaha.... ahahahanson

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