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Sep 8, 2011, 9:19:54 PM9/8/11
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Horngate
African droughts are a well known and historical problem. The Sahel
(left map), the vast territory south of the Sahara, for instance, has
a long record of past droughts. So, every time you hear Al Gore
talking about droughts, you should suspect some inconvenient truths
are being omitted.

And that is the case with the Sahel droughts mentioned in the Climate
Reality site above. It talks about the great Sahel drought, best known
because of the "Do They Know It's Christmas" song. What it does not
mention is that since then, the Sahel has been getting greener! The
Global Warming Policy Foundation did an excellent briefing paper on
this. But this is no news today, and National Geographic was already
trying to explain the unexplainable two years ago!

Al Gore should know about it, so he will probably be switching his
focus to the Horn of Africa, where a severe drought is underway. As
can be seen by the map on the left (detail here), several areas of
Somalia, Kenya and Ethiopia are experiencing famine or severe food
shortage. The UNHCR has a special site on the issue.

While these droughts have caused some tens of thousands of deaths, and
some 750 000 could die in the next four months, one would imagine that
the IPCC would have predicted it. Think again! If you go to the IPCC
page regarding the fractional change in precipitation changes over
Africa in this century, you might find something shocking:


Now, if you're not familiar with Africa's geography, check it out
again: the IPCC, in the Fourth Assessment Report, which gave them the
Nobel Prize, is predicting a major rainfall increase, in the exact
same region where the drought is underway! And I just can't get it,
because these are predictions for a warming world. So, something must
be wrong, very wrong, inside the IPCC and their 21 models...

It gets worse. FEWS (Famine Early Warning Systems Network), which also
has some very interesting data, was concluding last year:

The observed drying tendency is the opposite predicted by the 4th
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC ) assessment.

Further down the document, more detail is provided:

The observed rainfall tendencies are substantially different from the
results presented in the most recent (4th) Intergovernmental Panel on
Climate Change (IPCC) assessment (Christensen and others, 2007).
Chapter 11 (Regional Climate Projections, Christensen and others,
2007) of the IPCC Working Group I report indicates that eastern Africa
will likely experience a modest (5�10 percent) increase in June-July-
August precipitation, a result our work, although not looking at the
same months, suggests is unlikely.

Chris Funk, who works with FEWS, saw it coming, along with La Ni�a
last year. In an article in Nature (registry needed) last month,
intitled We thought trouble was coming, Chris gives an idea why this
was mishandled:

The global climate models used by the Intergovernmental Panel on
Climate Change were never intended to provide rainfall trend
projections for every region. These models say that East Africa will
become wetter, yet observations show substantial declines in spring
rainfall in recent years. Despite this, several agencies are building
long-term plans on the basis of the forecast of wetter conditions.
This could lead to agricultural development and expansion in areas
that will become drier. More climate science based on regional
observations could be helpful in addressing these challenges.

This is the most important part. Not only has IPCC been useless in the
last decade, but has been committing severe errors. But now, Horngate
clearly shows us that IPCC has been contributing to several tens of
thousands of deaths, because of inferior climate investigation, and
misleading guidance. It is the time to shutdown an UN agency, that is
doing more harm than good! And maybe, Al Gore will talk about all this
inconvenience in a week...


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Sep 8, 2011, 9:21:06 PM9/8/11
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"AGWFacts" <AGWF...@ipcc.org> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 13:24:38 -0700 (PDT), Tunderbar
> <tdco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Horngate
>
> Your cult's "climategate" hoax feel apart; your cult's "polar
> beargate" hoax fell apart. Now your cult has trotted out another
> hoax, "horngate." Let us know how that turns out, eh? LOL!
>
>
> --
> TRUTH NEEDS ALLIES!
> http://epa.gov/climatechange/

ON TRUTH

"One of the world's greatest problems is the impossibility of any person
searching for the truth on any subject when they believe they already have
it." Author Dave Wilbur

Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it.

Andre Gide, Nobel Prize winning novelist

"Skepticism is the first step toward truth"

Denis Diderot philosopher

Warmest Regards

B0nz0

"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists
worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
from natural variation."

Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville

"A major problem has been the co-option of climate science by politics,
ambition, greed, and what seems to be a hereditary human need for a
righteous cause."

"What better cause than "saving" the planet, especially if one can get
ample, secure funding at the same time?"

William Happer, Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics, Princeton
University.

"Today's debate about global warming is essentially a debate about freedom.
The environmentalists would like to mastermind each and every possible (and
impossible) aspect of our lives."

Vaclav Klaus, Blue Planet in Green Shackles

"If climate has not "tipped" in over 4 billion years it's not going to tip
now due to mankind. The planet has a natural thermostat"

Richard S. Lindzen, Atmospheric Physicist, Professor of Meteorology MIT,
Former IPCC Lead Author

"It does not matter who you are, or how smart you are, or what title you
have, or how many of you there are, and certainly not how many papers your
side has published, if your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is
wrong. Period."

Professor Richard Feynman, Nobel Laureate in Physics

"A core problem is that science has given way to ideology. The scientific
method has been dispensed with, or abused, to serve the myth of man-made
global warming."

"The World Turned Upside Down", Melanie Phillips

"Computer models are built in an almost backwards fashion: The goal is to
show evidence of AGW, and the "scientists" go to work to produce such a
result. When even these models fail to show what advocates want, the data
and interpretations are "fudged" to bring about the desired result"

"The World Turned Upside Down", Melanie Phillips

"Ocean acidification looks suspiciously like a back-up plan by the
environmental pressure groups in case the climate fails to warm: another try
at condemning fossil fuels!"

http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/threat-ocean-acidification-greatly-exaggerated

Before attacking hypothetical problems, let us first solve the real problems
that threaten humanity. One single water pump at an equivalent cost of a
couple of solar panels can indeed spare hundreds of Sahel women the daily
journey to the spring and spare many infections and lives.

Martin De Vlieghere, philosopher

"The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that
it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of
mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible."

Bertrand Russell


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"gordo" <grme...@shaw.ca.remove> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 13:24:38 -0700 (PDT), Tunderbar
> <tdco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>will likely experience a modest (5-10 percent) increase in June-July-
>>August precipitation, a result our work, although not looking at the
>>same months, suggests is unlikely.
>>
>>Chris Funk, who works with FEWS, saw it coming, along with La Niña
>>last year. In an article in Nature (registry needed) last month,
>>intitled We thought trouble was coming, Chris gives an idea why this
>>was mishandled:
>>
>>The global climate models used by the Intergovernmental Panel on
>>Climate Change were never intended to provide rainfall trend
>>projections for every region. These models say that East Africa will
>>become wetter, yet observations show substantial declines in spring
>>rainfall in recent years. Despite this, several agencies are building
>>long-term plans on the basis of the forecast of wetter conditions.
>>This could lead to agricultural development and expansion in areas
>>that will become drier. More climate science based on regional
>>observations could be helpful in addressing these challenges.
>>
>>This is the most important part. Not only has IPCC been useless in the
>>last decade, but has been committing severe errors. But now, Horngate
>>clearly shows us that IPCC has been contributing to several tens of
>>thousands of deaths, because of inferior climate investigation, and
>>misleading guidance. It is the time to shutdown an UN agency, that is
>>doing more harm than good! And maybe, Al Gore will talk about all this
>>inconvenience in a week...
>
> I suggest Oxfam as a reliable organization to send donations to.
> Millions of people are in direct threat of starvation and the world is
> not responding. The UN is co-ordinating where they can in the war torn
> drought stricken area. Without the UN there would be nothing. Tundy
> does not care or maybe his conscience can be tweaked. The majority of
> the dying people are children under 5 and your dollars can actually
> help.


So you're for more carbon spewing kids then?

Does that mean your fear of ***EVIL*** CO2 is a sham then?

conAGWcon

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Sep 8, 2011, 11:09:06 PM9/8/11
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"gordo" <grme...@shaw.ca.remove> wrote in message
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I would never make any contribution to something the UN is
co-ordinating. They are corrupt and they will share corruption with
others. The starving would still be starving after everyone got their
cut of the pie.


conAGWcon

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"AGWFacts" <AGWF...@ipcc.org> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 14:06:37 -0700 (PDT), Tunderbar
> <tdco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 08 Sep 2011 15:03:44 -0600, AGWFacts <AGWF...@ipcc.org> wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 13:24:38 -0700 (PDT), Tunderbar
>> > <tdco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Horngate
>> >
>> > Your cult's "climategate" hoax feel apart; your cult's "polar
>> > beargate" hoax fell apart. Now your cult has trotted out another
>> > hoax, "horngate." Let us know how that turns out, eh? LOL!
>
>> While you blather and try to confuse, real people are suffering from
>> the WRONG PROJECTIONS based on FLAWED SCIENCE at the UNITED NATIONS
>> IPCC.
>
> If you see any error the IPCC made, write a paper on the subject
> and submit it to a peer reviewed science journal. IT'S YOUR DUTY!
>
>> So fuck you agwers and the horses you all rode in on.
>
> What are "agwers?"
>


Glad you asked ...




Quotes from notable AGW'ers ....







First we had the IPCC report "The Science of Climate Change 1995", where
lead author Benjamin D. Santer removed the following conclusions made by
genuine scientists, and without the scientists being made aware of these
changes.



"None of the studies cited above has shown clear evidence that we can
attribute the observed climate changes to the specific cause of increases in
greenhouse gases."



"No study to date has positively attributed all or part [of the climate
change observed to date] to anthropogenic [man-made] causes."



"Any claims of positive detection of significant climate change are likely
to remain controversial until uncertainties in the total natural variability
of the climate system are reduced."





Then we have some choice quotes from so-called "consensus scientists".



"Next time I see Pat Michaels at a scientific meeting, I'll be tempted to
beat the crap out of him."

Ben Santer, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

[Referring to global warming skeptic Pat Michaels]



"I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each
series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for
Keith's to hide the decline."

Phil Jones email, 16 Nov 1999



"The two MMs [Canadian skeptics Steve McIntyre and Ross McKitrick] have been
after the CRU station data for years. If they ever hear there is a Freedom
of Information Act now in the UK, I think I'll delete the file rather than
send to anyone."

Phil Jones email, Feb 2 2005



"I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report, Kevin and
I will keep them out somehow, even if we have to redefine what the
peer-review literature is!"

Phil Jones Director, The CRU

[cutting skeptical scientists out of an official UN report]



"The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment,
and it is a travesty that we can't .there should be even more warming... the
data are surely wrong".

Kevin Trenberth, Climatologist, US Centre for Atmospheric Research



"...If anything, I would like to see the climate change happen, so the
science could be proved right, regardless of the consequences. This isn't
being political, it is being selfish. "

Phil Jones Director, The CRU



"The "scientific" community would come down on me in no uncertain terms if I
said the world had cooled from 1998. OK IT HAS but it is only 7 years of
data and it isn't statistically significant."

Phil Jones Email To John Christy, Jul 5 2005

http://eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=544&filename=1120593115.txt



"We have to get rid of the Mediæval Warm Period" Confided to geophysicist
David Deming by the IPCC, 1995

[Many believe that man to be Jonathan Overpeck who mistakenly thought he was
talking to a fellow warmist, which Prof Deming didn't deny in an email
response, who would later also serve as an IPCC lead author.]



"We have 25 years or so invested in the work. Why should I make the data
available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it?"
Phil Jones Director, The CRU



"I tried the same run [Fourier Transform] on the CRU global temperature set.
Even though CRU must be highly smoothed by the time all the averages are
worked out, the 11-year pulse is still there, albeit about half the size of
Sydney's."

[E-mail from Dr Daly 9 August 1996. Dr Daly uncovered an eleven-year signal
in the temperature data set from the island of Tasmania. It is clear from
the tone of his e-mail that he considers this obvious solar influence on
climate as unwelcome news.]



"I was at the table with three Europeans, and we were having lunch. And they
were talking about their role as lead authors for the IPCC. And they were
talking about how they were trying to make the report so dramatic that the
US would just have to sign that Kyoto Protocol."

Dr John Christy, University of Alabama, Huntsville on CNN May 2 2007.



"We have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements,
and make little mention of any doubts we might have." Professor Stephen
Schneider



"Humans need a common motivation ... either a real one or else one invented
for the purpose. ... In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages,
famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by
human intervention so the real enemy then, is humanity itself." Club of Rome
declaration



"It doesn't matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is
true.... You are what the media define you to be. Greenpeace became a myth
and fund generating machine." Paul Watson, Co-Founder Greenpeace, Forbes,
Nov. 1991



Now what conclusion would a rational and sceptical person come to?



Frederick Seitz, president emeritus of Rockefeller University and chairman
of the George C. Marshall Institute, summed it up nicely after seeing the
changes made to the IPCC report.



"In my more than 60 years as a member of the American scientific community,
including service as president of both the National Academy of Sciences and
the American Physical Society, I have never witnessed a more disturbing
corruption of the peer-review process than the events that led to this IPCC
report."
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