What is an engineer
Jonathan Barnes
Hello group
Please take me seriously.
In this group there have been a number of threads about the use of the
term engieer.
There is a group of people who are claiming that to be an engineer you
must have a university degree, but don't need to be able to draft or
sketch, ( let alone be able to use CAD ) require no detailed understanding
of manufacturing proceses, and certinaly do not need to get your hands
dirty.
Will one ( or more :-) ) of this group please explain to me what they do,
and why they consider it engineering.
I have become confused, I thought engineering was the aplication of
scientific principles to the process of production.
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Danny
It is not essential that they know how to draw etc., - draughsmen
specialise in this task.
( let alone be able to use CAD ) require no detailed understanding
>of manufacturing proceses,
They may need to know nothing about manufacturing depending on their job.
With regard to dirty hands, there are people paid to do this work.
and certinaly do not need to get your hands
>dirty.
>
>Will one ( or more :-) ) of this group please explain to me what they do,
>and why they consider it engineering.
It can be very varied from, design, management, supervisory,
research,lecturing, etc., etc., etc.
Peter Moore
In article <12...@farncombe.win-uk.net>, jona...@farncombe.win-uk.net says...
>I have become confused, I thought engineering was the aplication of
>scientific principles to the process of production.
That is a major part of it. In Canada, anyone can work on an engineering
project (provided they have a degree or qualifications). It is only a
Professional Engineer who can authorize a project and seal drawings for final
construction/implementation. A P.Eng must have a university degree and be
licensed with an association like the Professional Engineers of Ontario. That
is the difference between someone who does engineering work, and a professional
engineer.
Peter
Jonathan Barnes
>Jonathan Barnes <jona...@farncombe.win-uk.net> wrote:
>
>>There is a group of people who are claiming that to be an engineer you
>>must have a university degree, but don't need to be able to draft or
>>sketch, ( let alone be able to use CAD ) require no detailed understanding
>>of manufacturing proceses, and certinaly do not need to get your hands
>>dirty.
>
Austria
you have to know how to draw (and certainly sketch), you have to
>know how to actually manufacture the things you invent and you have to get
>your hands dirty (including welding for instance) to get a university
>degree in engineering.
>
>Are we entitled to call ourselves engineers?
>
Well you certinaly don't fall into the group I was addressing, and you
seem verey likley to fall into the group I would call engineers.
I would not presume to stop anyone calling themselves an engineer, though
I would strongly condem any abuse of a title ( such as PE ) which donates
a profesional status.
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Dave Beal
Jonathan Barnes wrote:
>
> Hello group
>
> Please take me seriously.
>
> In this group there have been a number of threads about the use of the
> term engieer.
>
> must have a university degree, but don't need to be able to draft or
> sketch, ( let alone be able to use CAD ) require no detailed understanding
> of manufacturing proceses, and certinaly do not need to get your hands
> dirty.
>
> and why they consider it engineering.
>
> scientific principles to the process of production.
No, an engineer doesn't need to have a college degree.
(And after spending six years getting an MSEE, it does
pain me somewhat to admit this.) No, an engineer doesn't
need to know drafting. As a software engineer, I can't remember
the last time I did any drafting. :-) I don't know much about
manufacturing, either, and it doesn't seem to be a liability,
although I assume it would be to a mechanical engineer.
My definition of an engineer:
A person skilled in finding practical solutions to real-world problems.
"Practical" has a very broad definition, including economical,
efficient, reliable, manufacturable, diagnosable, repairable,
easy-to-use
and understandable to others who will have to maintain it.
And while experience getting your hands dirty isn't strictly a
requirement,
it does provide a helpful background and perspective.
- Dave Beal
Pat March
Jonathan Barnes wrote:
>
> Hello group
>
> Please take me seriously.
>
> In this group there have been a number of threads about the use of the
> term engieer.
>
> There is a group of people who are claiming that to be an engineer you
> must have a university degree, but don't need to be able to draft or
> sketch, ( let alone be able to use CAD ) require no detailed understanding
> of manufacturing proceses, and certinaly do not need to get your hands
> dirty.
>
> Will one ( or more :-) ) of this group please explain to me what they do,
> and why they consider it engineering.
>
> I have become confused, I thought engineering was the aplication of
> scientific principles to the process of production.
>
> | there exists a fool greater than the proof |
Test, modify, write instruction sheets, procure tooling, nurse it through
its birth pangs. I also do all the purchasing, tax work, correspondence,
billing, floor sweeping and EVERYTHING ELSE.
I consider myself to be an engineer. Pat at SKONK WORKS
altavoz
An eng' is an analyist . They don't need degrees ,
because industry decides who an engineer is not a
college . Colleges aren't close enough to the job.
Eng' must have college math,calculus because of
their high level analytical job requirements .
They're not required to be super technicians .
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Dick Brewster
altavoz of alta...@mail.idt.net said...
> An eng' is an analyist . They don't need degrees ,
> because industry decides who an engineer is not a
> college . Colleges aren't close enough to the job.
> Eng' must have college math,calculus because of
> their high level analytical job requirements .
> They're not required to be super technicians .
Engineers are by necessity have analytical capability, but there
discriminating trait is that they are synthesis. Engineers create
(synthesize), analysts may or may not create.
--
Dick Brewster dbrewste@
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Dick Brewster
altavoz of alta...@mail.idt.net said...
> An eng' is an analyist . They don't need degrees ,
> because industry decides who an engineer is not a
> college . Colleges aren't close enough to the job.
> Eng' must have college math,calculus because of
> their high level analytical job requirements .
> They're not required to be super technicians .
Engineers by necessity have analytical capability, but their
discriminating characteristic is that they have synthesis
capability. Engineers create (synthesize), analysts may or may not
N.R.H. Black
I hope this is regarded as serious,
the word engineer has more than one meaning:
(1) There are academic Engineers, these need degrees and do research
and teaching.
(2) There are Professional Engineers, these need professional
registration, and they practice the profession. They do not need
degrees in all States, however it is typically harder and longer
to get registration without a degree than it is to get a degree
and then get registration. They do not do research.
(3) There are vocational Engineers, their employers are the sole
arbiters as to whether or not they need degrees and/or registration,
and they mostly design, develop or test products, though a fairly
small minority do research.
Clearer?