60 watt yellow floods?
Angela Marsh
Thomas Paterson
Angela Marsh wrote:
> Anyone know where to get some inexpensive 60 watt yellow floodlights?
Where are you in the world? Do you want the lamp or the whole fitting?
What beam angle? If you already have the fitting, what lamp base do
you want? I am guessing that a PAR38 with colored lens would do the
job, but we need more info.
T.
Clive Mitchell
Marsh <Ang...@Southpark.Dis> writes
>Just a regular screw-in base for an outdoor spotlight fixture. Why are
>you making this so complicated?
Because this is a forum full of skilled lighting engineers and when you
ask something vague like "Where can I get some yellow floods." There
are a million different answers.
For instance I was going to suggest SOX low pressure sodium floodlights.
--
Clive Mitchell
http://www.bigclive.com
Thomas Paterson
> > Where are you in the world?
>
Ok, so now my colleagues and I know that you need the lamp to be a 120V
lamp. We also know that you can buy these lamps through lampsplus,
because they are a US retail and internet company. Look up the one
nearest you and call ahead to make sure that they have what you want.
If you can't find what you need, try Google Local with a search for
electrical wholesalers or lighting distributors in your area.
> > Do you want the lamp or the whole fitting?
> Bulbs.
Great, in that case, there are a few catalogs we can look in for US
lamps (the technical name for what are often known as bulbs). I'm
looking in the GE USA catalog, but could also use Sylvania, Philips and
a few others.
> > What beam angle?
> Floodlights would be a wide beam angle? For flooding an area with light?
A floodlight is a piece of equipment, the distribution of light out of
it is a separate issue if it has a reflector lamp. In this case, you
want a flood (wide beam) distribution if you're lighting area.
> > If you already have the fitting, what lamp base do you want?
> Just a regular screw-in base for an outdoor spotlight fixture.
Ok, so that's a Medium Screw Base (also known as an E26 base). In
which case, we can specify PAR38 or BR30 lamps.
The GE PAR38 lamp is product code 13473 which is 85W and comes in packs
of six.
The GE BR30 lamp is product code 26645 which is 65W but is not suitable
for exteriors.
Both lamps last 2000 hours.
GE doesn't do a 60W version. Maybe lampsplus can find another
manufacturer who does.
> Why are you making this so complicated?
Was this intended to be rude to someone who was helping you, or did it
just come out badly. I can think of twenty ways of making yellow light
out of a flood fixture, I have over six hundred suppliers on file world
wide, and have worked on at least six different specs of power
supplies. Our catalog library includes some hundreds of thousands of
products and tens of thousands of lamps. Just like many of the
professionals who provide our time free of charge to this group, I ask
questions that I need answers to to be able to be helpful.
I wish you all the best with the relamping.
Thomas.
redbelly
Thomas Paterson wrote:
> The GE PAR38 lamp is product code 13473 which is 85W and comes in packs
> of six.
You can order single bulbs here:
http://www.doityourself.com/invt/u252775
> > Why are you making this so complicated?
>
> Was this intended to be rude to someone who was helping you, or did it
> just come out badly.
I didn't think Angela sounded rude at all. Most people just aren't
aware or don't think about the wide variety of lamp specs that are out
there, and are surprised when asked questions like "what type of base
do you need", etc.
Mark
David Lee
>> > Why are you making this so complicated?
>>
>> Was this intended to be rude to someone who was helping you, or did it
>> just come out badly.
>
> I didn't think Angela sounded rude at all. Most people just aren't
> aware or don't think about the wide variety of lamp specs that are out
> there, and are surprised when asked questions like "what type of base
> do you need", etc.
>
> Mark
Now come on Mark - the woman is an ungrateful idiot!
>> Where are you in the world?
> <sigh> Colorado.
She can't even understand that we have to know at least which continent she
inhabits and makes it clear that she is annoyed even to be asked!
>> What beam angle?
> Floodlights would be a wide beam angle? For flooding an area with light?
Read the implied rising inflexion in her comments! This is pure sarcasm -
implying that Thomas must be stupid not to understand that this is what
floodlights do.
It wasn't even obvious from her original post whether she wanted yellow
luminaires or yellow illumination!
Thomas' very patient and restrained reply must have made it obvious to her
why her question was so ambiguous and she hasn't the common courtesy to post
a note thanking him for taking the time and trouble to sort out some
information for her.
Ungrateful bitch!
David
Thomas Paterson
David Lee wrote:
> redbelly wrote...
> >> > Why are you making this so complicated?
> >>
> >> Was this intended to be rude to someone who was helping you, or did it
> >> just come out badly.
> >
> > I didn't think Angela sounded rude at all. Most people just aren't
> > aware or don't think about the wide variety of lamp specs that are out
> > there, and are surprised when asked questions like "what type of base
> > do you need", etc.
> >
> > Mark
> why her question was so ambiguous and she hasn't the common courtesy to post
> a note thanking him for taking the time and trouble to sort out some
> information for her.
>
> Ungrateful bitch!
>
> David
Hi David,
Thanks for the backup, but to be honest, I couldn't work out whether
she was being rude or just melodramatic (witness the "Colorado
(sigh)"), hence why I actually answered the question and asked straight
out whether she meant to be rude. It was an opening for her to
clarify. I also tried to clarify why we would need to ask the
questions rather than just say "nothing dear, you're not qualified" in
Monty Python style.
We'll find out which it was in the coming days if she has the courtesy
to post a thank you note and ideally a clarification. I'm considering
running a sweepstake! Anyone in? I'm offering an evening of
Micheladas to anyone who correctly picks the outcome on the two
questions (thanks and clarification, with bonus tequila shooter on an
apology). You have to drop by my town to collect.
T.
redbelly
> Now come on Mark -
(snip)
Hey, I'm just saying what I think, and I'll stand by what I said.
I suspect none of us is gonna change their mind, so I'll just bow out
of the argument right now.
Regards,
Mark
Victor Roberts
<Ang...@Southpark.Dis> wrote:
>Anyone know where to get some inexpensive 60 watt yellow floodlights?
Ms. Marsh - while I agree with others that we need more
information to answer your question, I do hope you
understand that David Lee does not represent the majority of
the people who post questions and answers in this group.
Most of us believe that the crude and insulting language he
used is inappropriate for this group or for any technical
discussion group.
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David Lee
> On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:22:46 -0500, Angela Marsh
> <Ang...@Southpark.Dis> wrote:
>
>>Anyone know where to get some inexpensive 60 watt yellow floodlights?
>
> Ms. Marsh - while I agree with others that we need more
> information to answer your question, I do hope you
> understand that David Lee does not represent the majority of
> the people who post questions and answers in this group.
> Most of us believe that the crude and insulting language he
> used is inappropriate for this group or for any technical
> discussion group.
Now Victor, that attack is well over the top. I freely admit that the final
word of my post was excessive, and for that one word I apologise, but
otherwise I stand by everything else that I said. Ungrateful she most
certainly was. Her tone was indeed sarcastic in the extreme and I certainly
believe that anyone who cannot understand, when posting an enquiry on the
WORLDWIDE web, why it is necessary to state which tiny bit of the entire
wide world you inhabit in order to be given advice about where you can
purchase small items locally is displaying either a great degree of
stupidity or the most incredible arrogance. Her tone to Thomas was very
insulting but even so he patiently explained to her what it was that she
needed, for which any person with an ounce of decency would have posted a
couple of words of thanks - but of course she did not. So I will
reiterate - with suitably modified language - Ungrateful Person!
David
Jeff Engel
stumbled out, probably into the backyard where
her yellow spotlights are attracting bugs, damn it!
David Lee
> Victor Roberts wrote :
>> Ms. Marsh - while I agree with others that we need more
>> information to answer your question, I do hope you
>> understand that David Lee does not represent the majority of
>> the people who post questions and answers in this group.
>> Most of us believe that the crude and insulting language he
>> used is inappropriate for this group or for any technical
>> discussion group.
> Thanks Victor.
Ms Marsh
So you ARE still reading this newsgroup. I am very surprised that you see
fit immediately to thank Victor for flaming me but still don't have the
decency, after almost a week, to say a word or two of thanks to Thomas
Paterson, for actually trying to answer your extremely vague and badly
worded enquiry, and a word of apology or clarification for appearing to be
extremely rude in the way you responded to a polite and simple request for
further details, without which it would have been totally impossible to help
you at all. I have already apologised to the group for the inappropriate
name-calling at the end of my post but, as I said to Victor, I stand by
everything else that I said.
Just re-read your response and ask yourself honestly whether you wouldn't
have found the tone rude and insulting?
>> Where are you in the world?
> <sigh> Colorado.
"<sigh>" is totally uneccessary and strongly implies that you are irritated
even to be asked to supply this information. To me it is idiotic and
arrogant that anyone posting a request to an international news group that
is read in every corner of the world should find it difficult to accept that
they need to supply details of her location. Even if you were to assume
that everyone accessing this newsgroup were American, then the
recommendation of a small hardware store in Parumph wouldn't be much help to
you in Colorado, would it - much less a recommendation to visit B&Q in West
Bromwich?
>> What beam angle?
> Floodlights would be a wide beam angle? For flooding an area with
light?
You don't answer the question so we still don't know what area you need to
light. You have posted a domestic request to a newsgroup dedicated to the
science and engineering of lighting so you should expect to receive a reply
from someone who is technically very knowlegeable and be prepared to accept
that when asked to specify beam angle this means that this information is
required in order to interpret your requirements. Your actual response is
in the form of statements with question marks. In spoken English this would
represent comments with an irritating rising inflexion at the end which,
given that you perversely chose not to answer the question at all, implies a
strong degree of sarcasm.
>> If you already have the fitting, what lamp base do you want?
> Just a regular screw-in base for an outdoor spotlight fixture. Why
are
> you making this so complicated?
Why should we have assumed that it would be a screw-in base and indeed how
should we have known that it was for outdoor use? There are at least three
standard sizes of Edison Screw fittings and, had you been posting from the
UK it could have been a BC, push-twist fitting in one of two sizes.
Floodlights are also commonly supplied with linear lamps, which are
completely different, and push-in two pin bases. Additionally, depending
upon your location, you may require 120 or 240V rating. Once again your
comment "Why are you making this so complicated?" is a completely
unwarranted outburst and your failure to appreciate that there is a wide
range of different products available, most of which will be totally
unsuitable for your needs, displays an apparently large level of stupidity,
particularly when Thomas itemized the information that you needed to supply
in such a clear and simple manner.
Since you have clearly been following the responses to you enquiry, you will
doubtless have realised that Victor's outburst does not represent the views
of the entire group either. The response to my comments from the very
person who tried to help you included "Thanks for the backup ... I couldn't
work out whether she was being rude or just melodramatic ... hence why I
actually answered the question and asked straight out whether she meant to
be rude. ... We'll find out which it was in the coming days if she has the
courtesy to post a thank you note and ideally a clarification." Since you
posted neither thanks nor clarification then we can only assume that your
tone was intentionally rude!
David
Zink
has just discovered the well of information (and mis-information) that
is available on the net. I noticed it took two posts before she
probably realized the overwhelming technical nature of a newsgroup such
as this. Angela's reaction reminded me of a dear friend of mine who
took to the net like a demon. She was so thrilled, and yet she would
call me up, frustrated that she did not understand what was going on as
she delved into areas with which she was totally unfamiliar. Angela
undoubtedly found out a lot about newsgroup potential this week. She
doesn't deserve to be chided for not understanding how deeply this
group's members get involved in the subject. Her second post
reminded me of the phone calls I would get. "Why did they ask me
that?" "What is going on?" "Was I in the wrong place to ask
that?" Her enthusiasm to use the net was just so strong that she
agonized terribly over her misunderstandings. Angela could very well
have been my bewildered friend, who, by the way, is now an extreme whiz
at what she does online.
Angela, welcome to the extensive technical world of lighting. This is
where the deeper questions, the ones you never knew about, are
discussed.
Ron Seadler
Simoc
<snip>
I agree completely. While looking her messages, she's just trying to
get replies against herself, and BTW she has x-no-archive :-\ I'd
consider it a troll... It might be not worth bothering to feed her :-|
Adam Aglionby
Jeff Engel wrote:
> Angela stumbled into this group, and she's
> stumbled out, probably into the backyard where
> her yellow spotlights are attracting bugs, damn it!
>
Well, yellow should be the least attractive to bugs, UV for most of
your flying critters and some like near IR i think.
Adam
Ioannis
news:1151281237....@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
[snip]
> Well, yellow should be the least attractive to bugs, UV for most of
> your flying critters and some like near IR i think.
Incidentally, the public misconception about yellow "anti-insect" lamps is
almost as bad as the one where people think that replacing just one
incandescent with a CFL will result in great savings and increased light
levels.
Urban houses here are usually illuminated with "anti-insect" lamps. In one
particular household I saw 4x60W being installed on the veranda. When I
asked the owner why did he have so much light on, he said, "these are
'anti-insect' lamps! They don't attract insects!".
I thought about trying to explain to him that "attracts less" is not the
same as "doesn't attract at all", but I quit before trying, my brain hurting
even on the thought of it.
> Adam
--
Ioannis