Hey Ernie. How Much?

[Bob La Londe]

Hey Ernie,

How much to repair this?
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/171/lelandfan.jpg/


Bob

at

yumabassman

dot

com

[RoyJ]

On 1/10/2012 9:22 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
> Hey Ernie,
> How much to repair this?
> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/171/lelandfan.jpg/
>

Depends on if it is aluminum or pot metal (zinc alloy). Aluminum is
straight forward welding. Pot metal is a mess. Something like that is
usually pot metal.

[Bob La Londe]

"RoyJ" <Spam...@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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It porous like an old broken faucet handle so I am guessing pot metal.

[Phil Kangas]

"Bob La Londe" <no...@none.com> wrote in message
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Pot metal fracture surface is typically quite
smooth, not porous.
I think it is cast aluminum. Worth a try. If it
turns black when the
arc hits then it may be zinc alloyed. Does it
'feel heavy'? Zinc
alloys are heavier. Do the chips burn? If so,
might be magesium.
phil k.

[Bob La Londe]

"Phil Kangas" <pka...@upalphacomm.net> wrote in message
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Its pretty light. I first thought cast aluminum, but then others made me
doubt my guess. Its from the late 1970s or early 1980s.

[Bob Engelhardt]

Bob La Londe wrote:
> Its pretty light. I first thought cast aluminum, but then others made

> me doubt my guess. ...

Take a little piece and melt it. If it fumes and makes you sick, it's
pot metal <JK>.

Bob

[Phil Kangas]

"Bob La Londe" <no...@none.com> wrote in message

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Pretty light? Then it just might be magnesium. It
is easily welded but
you need mag rod. Also, the weldor must remain
alert for signs of
'slumping' ! ;>)}
phil k.

[Ernie Leimkuhler]

$50/hr shop time.

If it is weldable aluminum, then about 1 hour.
Zinc is a bit trickier, but can be done in about 2 hours.
Magnesium is also trickier, but can be done in 2 hours.


In article <Pf7Pq.2328$pM1....@newsfe15.iad>, Bob La Londe

[Bob La Londe]

"Ernie Leimkuhler" <er...@stagesmith.com> wrote in message
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>
> $50/hr shop time.
>
> If it is weldable aluminum, then about 1 hour.
> Zinc is a bit trickier, but can be done in about 2 hours.
> Magnesium is also trickier, but can be done in 2 hours.
>

Thanks Ernie. That places it (with shipping) at the same or more than
boring a blank hub replacement fan to fit.

[Phil Kangas]

"Ernie Leimkuhler" <er...@stagesmith.com> wrote in
message
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>

What? Two freaking hours at 50/hr? That, sir, IS A
RIP-OFF!!!
Mag is EASY!! This fan is not oil soaked........
phil k.

[Bob La Londe]

"Phil Kangas" <pka...@upalphacomm.net> wrote in message

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Well, time is time. Whether its opening the box, and unpacking, closing it
up and shipping it back. I don't begrudge him his rate. I am a
communications contractor, and I charge $80 an hour for service work. I
also mark up materials, because I can't charge for the time I spend finding
the best price or picking them up at the local distributor. In this case I
just wanted a price. His price is the same or slightly more than buying a
replacement fan. I buy the replacement fan. No problem. It's just
business. Thanks for taking the time to answer Ernie.

Bob La Londe
Yuma, Az

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 13:54:50 -0700, "Bob La Londe" <no...@none.com>

Very well stated.

This is why many of us have accumulated various welders and other Stuff
over the years. Because when this sort of thing pops up..we are able to
walk out, turn on the power, and fix Stuff then and there. And
amortize the cost of that repair against what one paid for the machine
used to effect the repair. It now costs me very very little to do such.
But when I first got a machine..the first repairs were very
expensive..and they got cheaper and cheaper and cheaper....

Ernies price is very very fair. I repair machinery in machine shops for
$75hr, $25hr travel time (portal to portal) and $0.50 a mile out and
back. And Im one of the cheap guys. And I weld too. But at an advanced
hobby level by my own admission.

Ernie is one of the Primo welders. Ive met him, Ive seen his work and
its superb. And for that..one pays a fair market price. The same price
one would pay any other welder for this type of work in ones area of
operation. And Ernie can validly charge more, simply because of his
proven skill level. And he didnt charge more. He charged a very very
fair rate for a master professional welder. In fact...he charged less
than the rod burners here in the oil fields. So he was doing the fellow
a favor. It was a given that when he received his repaired part back..it
would be done right, properly and there would be no further issues with
it. Unlike the guy next door who has a welder...and one simply gives him
a 6 pack for the job, and the weldment may blow up a minute,an hour or
a day after one turns on the machine.. Shrug

Just my $0.04

Gunner



One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

[Bob Engelhardt]

Phil Kangas wrote:
> What? Two freaking hours at 50/hr? That, sir, IS A
> RIP-OFF!!!
> Mag is EASY!! This fan is not oil soaked........

So, can you do it? And, are you certified (i.e., could your customer be
sure that it wouldn't fly apart)? If so, how much?

Bob

[Steve B]

"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Essentially, you get what you pay for. With certain weldments, the weldor
gets one chance to either repair it or destroy it. There are no second
chances. Either the customer walks away happy or sad. That is where
confidence and experience come in.

A weldor who takes an item in, and says, "I can fix it" is under very little
obligation, responsibility, or legal liability to return said item in a
repaired condition. It was, after all, given to him as a broken useless
item. If he misses his mark, and his estimation of the metallurgical
content of the weldment is off, he simply destroys an irreplacable part, and
there is little responsibility or liability. For the owner, the legal
satisfaction portion is the old blood out of a turnip theory.

However, a weldor who will accept an item, assure, or at least present the
impression that he knows how to fix it, and can give a believable promise to
do so, is not commonplace. For someone to do this on a steady basis is
indicative of a true craftsman. There are few of these, although they do
exist in the industry.

I used to do forensic testimony about carports and welding in contractor
construction defects lawsuits. I charged $85 per hour, four hour minimum.
I collected thousands of dollars, AND WAS NEVER EVER ONCE ON THE WITNESS
STAND. Sometimes I would be paid for 40 or 60 or 80 hours, and never go to
the court building. But, I did possess the knowledge the attorney would
want, and could give it in a professional manner. I could perform if I was
called. I had the cards.

A weldor is in the same category. Those who know they can pass X ray, or
those who know they can weld cast iron, or fix an unusual aluminum alloy
just know what they can do, and when all is told, they reveal their hands.
A-K-Q-J-10 OF THE SAME SUIT. All in on the call.

The cards play themselves.

Steve

[Steve B]

"Bob Engelhardt" <bobeng...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Certification don't mean squat. That person passed the test one particular
day on one particular piece of metal in one particular position with one
particular rod. Certifications are worth the paper they are written on, and
that chafes the skin when used for thing paper is used for. Any inspector I
have ever dealt with looked at a weld, watched a weldor weld, and never
looked at any piece of paper, despite the pleadings of the weldor. Or they
conducted a test in the yard, destroying a coupon to see if it passed.
Certification guarantees NOTHING.

Steve

[Steve B]

"Bob Engelhardt" <bobeng...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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BTW, AWS certifications are void if the weldor has not done the certified
type of work for a specified period of time.

But I agree that the poster above is of questionable skills. I care not to
hear about anything he can do, but would rather see.

Steve

[Phil Kangas]

"Steve B" <ste...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Yeah, 40+ years experience and I can't even light
a torch, eih?
Milk that fan job out to two hours and you're
fired!
phil k.

[Bob Engelhardt]

Phil Kangas wrote:
> Yeah, 40+ years experience and I can't even light
> a torch, eih?

...

OK, good. I still would like to know how much you would do it for. Bob

[Phil Kangas]

"Bob Engelhardt" <bobeng...@comcast.net> wrote
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$50 tops. But don't send it here, I'm retired.

The older I get the better I was.... ;>)}