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TIG machine comparison - Miller vs. ESAB

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Ian

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May 24, 2002, 4:16:59 PM5/24/02
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Hi all,

I am looking at buying a TIG machine for doing lighter work on steel and
aluminum around my house. I've looked at the Miller 180 SD and the ESAB 161
and was hoping someone could lend me their opinion of the pros and cons of
each. The ESAB has a huge weight advantage, as it uses inverter technology,
but I wonder if I'd be giving up anything for that weight reduction...

Any opinions would be welcomed.

Ian

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Ernie Leimkuhler

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May 24, 2002, 9:02:23 PM5/24/02
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In article <n6xH8.59$YE1.1...@news.uswest.net>, "Ian" <iboe...@qwest.net>
wrote:

Miller Good

ESAB Bad

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Also, all of life's big problems include the words "indictment" or "inoperable."
Everything else is small stuff.
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Q

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May 25, 2002, 2:04:42 PM5/25/02
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Ernie Leimkuhler <er...@stagesmith.com> skrev i en
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>
> Miller Good
>
> ESAB Bad
>
> --

would you care to elaborate on this ? I have been looking at the ESAB TIG
welders....
I have a need to do some aluminum and stainless welding...
what do I need to look for before I buy?
keep in mind that I am on a tight budget for this..

Migatronic ( www.migatronic.com ) and ESAB are pretty common here in
scandinavia
so this would be the obvious choice for me since spareparts etc are easy to
come by

/peter


Ernie Leimkuhler

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May 25, 2002, 2:48:41 PM5/25/02
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In article <3cefd01d$0$18611$edfa...@dspool01.news.tele.dk>,
"Q" <Q_in_d...@hotmail.com> wrote:

OK you are in a whole different market.

ESAB in the US is junk, absolute junk.
However I have heard many times that the ESAB machines in Europe are made in
Sweden and are actually prettty good machines.

I offered to trade, but the guys in england wanted to keep theirs.

Q

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May 25, 2002, 3:26:44 PM5/25/02
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Ernie Leimkuhler <er...@stagesmith.com> skrev i en
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>
> OK you are in a whole different market.
>
> ESAB in the US is junk, absolute junk.
> However I have heard many times that the ESAB machines in Europe are made
in
> Sweden and are actually prettty good machines.
>
> I offered to trade, but the guys in england wanted to keep theirs.
>
> --

Funny... I have a VERY old ESAB stick welder that has worked flawlessly for
atleast the 6 years I have owned it ( ok, its kinda limited how many things
can break on a stickwelder )

You think the machines for the US market are made somewhere else?

will go and have a look on monday ( found a couple used machines at an
affordable price)....

thanks..

/peter


Ernie Leimkuhler

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May 25, 2002, 3:54:49 PM5/25/02
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In article <3cefe35d$0$78791$edfa...@dspool01.news.tele.dk>,
"Q" <Q_in_d...@hotmail.com> wrote:

The US machines are either made in North Carolina at the old Linde plant, or
they are cheap taiwanese or italian imports rebadged in Yellow.

The European machines seem to be higher quality.

I am still quite leery of ESAB under any circumstances.

If you want to get a personal eperience of how bad ESAB machines are in the US,
just visit any independant welding repair shop.
Ask what they think of ESAB, and be prepared to duck and run.

Q

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May 25, 2002, 8:15:48 PM5/25/02
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Ernie Leimkuhler <er...@stagesmith.com> skrev i en
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>
> The US machines are either made in North Carolina at the old Linde plant,
or
> they are cheap taiwanese or italian imports rebadged in Yellow.
>
> The European machines seem to be higher quality.
>
> I am still quite leery of ESAB under any circumstances.
>
> If you want to get a personal eperience of how bad ESAB machines are in
the US,
> just visit any independant welding repair shop.
> Ask what they think of ESAB, and be prepared to duck and run.
>

sounds like what happens with a lot of the lowcost stickwelders here, but at
prices less than 100$ each for the small 140 amp models they are somewhat
disposable....

ok... any experience with Migatronic? I have one of their old MIG welders
that has performed well with little to no maintenance for years ( doesnt see
daily use tho)

/p


Ernie Leimkuhler

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May 25, 2002, 9:12:25 PM5/25/02
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In article <3cf02731$0$78797$edfa...@dspool01.news.tele.dk>,
"Q" <Q_in_d...@hotmail.com> wrote:

No idea.
I have never heard of them being sold in the US.

ATP

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May 25, 2002, 10:39:12 PM5/25/02
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"Ernie Leimkuhler" <er...@stagesmith.com> wrote in message
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Our ESAB 250 amp MIGs made by Chemetron seem to be pretty solid, but they go
back a few years.


Marvin Martian

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May 27, 2002, 11:49:23 AM5/27/02
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"Ian" <iboe...@qwest.net> wrote in message
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> Hi all,
>
> I am looking at buying a TIG machine for doing lighter work on steel and
> aluminum around my house. I've looked at the Miller 180 SD and the ESAB
161
(snip)

I have a Miller 180 SD and I am very pleased with it. However - the caveate
is that I'm also a novice TIG weldor and this is the only machine I've used
extensively. I'm on my fourth cylinder of argon, so I figure I've got
somewhere around 20 hours of use on the machine. I have no knowledge of the
ESAB machines.


-MM


jsnyder

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May 27, 2002, 10:24:35 PM5/27/02
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>
> The US machines are either made in North Carolina at the old Linde plant,
or
> they are cheap taiwanese or italian imports rebadged in Yellow.
>
As a North Carolinian I refuse to take the blame. The old Linde plant
(which used to make GE mobile radios) is in Florence, *South Carolina* ( a
hideous place if there ever was one).


Ernie Leimkuhler

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May 28, 2002, 12:23:51 AM5/28/02
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In article <acupod$a67$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>,
"jsnyder" <tre...@mindspring.com> wrote:

My sincere apologies to North Carolina.

My condolences to South Carolina.

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