Pictures of welding on the jerry can -- converted to fuel tank
Ignoramus10998
http://igor.chudov.com/projects/Onan-20kw-Generator-20.0DL4-15R/02-Fuel-Tank/
The jerry can did not explode, as I filled it with water almost to the
level of where I was doing welding.
i
fran...123
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My folks had an 8kw propane generator installed, I had to dig the trench
between the 120 gallon tank which has to have head space hence is often
called a 100 and the generator. When full it still won't last but about
five days blackout. I know diesel uses less especially at idle but you are
stating 20kw generator. How much fuel do you plan on having? Is the object
to fill in for rolling blackouts of a few hours due to uncertainty of the
future legislation of electric generation and the lack of risk takers to
build plants or is the object to protect the contents of a freezer full of
food after a hurricane or like event? Is there a like ordinance against
outside propane tanks? I know propane is a racket, the second fill may well
cost two and a half times the first.
I suppose you are going to paint it yellow for diesel. you can use oxygen
or argon fittings on those pipes for the lines coming out and a short hose
plugged when taking it to the fuel depot. That must be a newer version
jerry can mine have an approximate three inch opening with a spin off plug
on a chain.
I hope you aren't looking for compliments from aircraft grade welders about
those beads. Was this a clean off the paint first or after? or a little of
both?
Fran
Ignoramus10200
>
> "Ignoramus10998" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.10998.invalid> wrote in message
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>> Explanation follows on the website
>>
>> http://igor.chudov.com/projects/Onan-20kw-Generator-20.0DL4-15R/02-Fuel-Tank/
>>
>> The jerry can did not explode, as I filled it with water almost to the
>> level of where I was doing welding.
>>
>> i
>
> My folks had an 8kw propane generator installed, I had to dig the trench
> between the 120 gallon tank which has to have head space hence is often
> called a 100 and the generator. When full it still won't last but about
> five days blackout. I know diesel uses less especially at idle but you are
> stating 20kw generator. How much fuel do you plan on having? Is the object
> to fill in for rolling blackouts of a few hours due to uncertainty of the
> future legislation of electric generation and the lack of risk takers to
> build plants or is the object to protect the contents of a freezer full of
> food after a hurricane or like event? Is there a like ordinance against
> outside propane tanks? I know propane is a racket, the second fill may well
> cost two and a half times the first.
At present, I have approximately nine full jerry cans of diesel.
> I suppose you are going to paint it yellow for diesel. you can use oxygen
> or argon fittings on those pipes for the lines coming out and a short hose
> plugged when taking it to the fuel depot. That must be a newer version
> jerry can mine have an approximate three inch opening with a spin off plug
> on a chain.
I will just use barb fittings.
> I hope you aren't looking for compliments from aircraft grade welders about
> those beads. Was this a clean off the paint first or after? or a little of
> both?
A little bit of both, I hope that those welders do not notice. :)
In my defense though, there is fusion and wetting all around, it
seems.
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> At present, I have approximately nine full jerry cans of diesel.
With an algaecide in the diesel right?
That's the biggest advantage of propane IMO. It stores well.
Ignoramus10200
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>> At present, I have approximately nine full jerry cans of diesel.
>
> With an algaecide in the diesel right?
I believe so. It's been a while and I may be wrong by now. I bought
one more can of algaecide and will put it in every one again.
The issue with algae is that it appears when there is water in fuel. I
do not believe that there is much in the fuel that I have.
> That's the biggest advantage of propane IMO. It stores well.
So does diesel fuel.
The generator can run about 5-8 hours on one jerry can. I will simply
refill the tank as necessary.
I did, at some point, buy a bigger tank, but I changed my mind about
using it due to fuel management and environmental concerns.
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Pete C.
Ignoramus10200 wrote:
>
> On 2009-11-29, fran...123 <storkenst...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > "Ignoramus10998" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.10998.invalid> wrote in message
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> >> Explanation follows on the website
> >>
> >> http://igor.chudov.com/projects/Onan-20kw-Generator-20.0DL4-15R/02-Fuel-Tank/
> >>
> >> The jerry can did not explode, as I filled it with water almost to the
> >> level of where I was doing welding.
> >>
> >> i
> >
> > My folks had an 8kw propane generator installed, I had to dig the trench
> > between the 120 gallon tank which has to have head space hence is often
> > called a 100 and the generator. When full it still won't last but about
> > five days blackout. I know diesel uses less especially at idle but you are
> > stating 20kw generator. How much fuel do you plan on having? Is the object
> > to fill in for rolling blackouts of a few hours due to uncertainty of the
> > future legislation of electric generation and the lack of risk takers to
> > build plants or is the object to protect the contents of a freezer full of
> > food after a hurricane or like event? Is there a like ordinance against
> > outside propane tanks? I know propane is a racket, the second fill may well
> > cost two and a half times the first.
>
> At present, I have approximately nine full jerry cans of diesel.
That will last you around 36 hours or so, presuming like most houses
your base load has the generator at idle and only slightly of idle for
heat/oven/etc.
Pete C.
Put a 55 gal poly (no rust) drum inside one of the 65 gal overpack drums
and you'll have a nice safe fuel tank with full secondary containment.
Ignoramus10200
Sounds about right. On the other hand, it does not need to run
continuously. In a terrible emergency, I would ration fuel, in a small
emergency, I would just buy more fuel when I run low.
i
Gunner Asch
<ignoram...@NOSPAM.10200.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I hope you aren't looking for compliments from aircraft grade welders about
>> those beads. Was this a clean off the paint first or after? or a little of
>> both?
>
>A little bit of both, I hope that those welders do not notice. :)
>
>In my defense though, there is fusion and wetting all around, it
>seems.
I think...that brazing may have been a better choice for those tubes.
Or TIG.
Shrug
As long as it works.
Shrug again.
Gunner
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Ignoramus10200
> On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 10:27:30 -0600, Ignoramus10200
><ignoram...@NOSPAM.10200.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>>> I hope you aren't looking for compliments from aircraft grade welders about
>>> those beads. Was this a clean off the paint first or after? or a little of
>>> both?
>>
>>A little bit of both, I hope that those welders do not notice. :)
>>
>>In my defense though, there is fusion and wetting all around, it
>>seems.
>
>
> I think...that brazing may have been a better choice for those tubes.
>
> Or TIG.
Well, that was TIG.
i
Gunner Asch
A good response. One seldmon needs to run the genny continiously. The
actual needs may vary..but the only thing that actually needs power is
the fridge..and that will slow as your house cools. You can always
dress warmer, or close down the majority of your home and live in one or
two rooms. One of the advantages of living where it seldom freezes as I
do. Coleman lanterns for light and heat, cook on a Coleman type stove if
you have electric appliences, or gas if you have natural gas.
It will also run forced air furnace if thats what you have, but
....closing down most of the house for an extended period is better and
including the kitchen as one of the live in rooms makes a great deal of
sense.
Put down cots or move a bed into your kitchen, after moving out the
tables and chairs if you have the room.,,,this assuming you have gas
appliences rather than electric (yuck!)
If you are in a hard freeze location and expect to be without power for
an extended period of time...drain your water lines, so the house can
freeze but for those couple rooms.
Having a genset is only part of the plan for surviving a power
failure..not the whole enchilada.
One thing that most folks dont realize..is that gasoline gennies can be
run on natural gas very very easily for very long periods of time. There
are many many sites out there that will show you how to modify a carby
so it will run on natural gas instead of..or as a multifuel
genny...running on both gasoline and natural gas/lp gas.
Even a small genny can be useful when it only runs a furnace and fridge
and lights, And run from natural gas..the single most reliable
utility....they can run for vary long periods of time with no issues.
http://www.theepicenter.com/tow102899.html
http://buildwrite.blogspot.com/2008/09/converting-gasoline-generator-to.html
Diesel to natural gas is also possible, but can be exceptionally
expensive.
Converting a gasoline engine can be done for as little as a few hours
and $30...unfortunately converting diesel to natural gas is far more
expensive.
Gunner Asch
Oh...ahum. Sorry.
Try brazing next time..with your Tig torch.
Works amazingly well.
Ignoramus10200
> On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:30:53 -0600, Ignoramus10200
><ignoram...@NOSPAM.10200.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 2009-11-29, Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 10:27:30 -0600, Ignoramus10200
>>><ignoram...@NOSPAM.10200.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I hope you aren't looking for compliments from aircraft grade welders about
>>>>> those beads. Was this a clean off the paint first or after? or a little of
>>>>> both?
>>>>
>>>>A little bit of both, I hope that those welders do not notice. :)
>>>>
>>>>In my defense though, there is fusion and wetting all around, it
>>>>seems.
>>>
>>>
>>> I think...that brazing may have been a better choice for those tubes.
>>>
>>> Or TIG.
>>
>>Well, that was TIG.
>>
>>i
>
> Oh...ahum. Sorry.
>
> Try brazing next time..with your Tig torch.
>
> Works amazingly well.
I will definitely try that, yes. I have a bunch of silicon bronze.
i
Ignoramus10200
>
> Since you have multiple jerry cans why modify one can to accept the
> fuel lines instead of making a fitting for the lines that would fit
> into the spout opening ? That way you could simply move the lines from
> an empty can to a full one. For the few seconds it would take to move
> over you wouldn't get enough air into the system to losse prime in the
> pump. I've seem military geenys that used this setup & I've done
> similar for for gas fired gensets.
I have many different kinds of gas cans. It would not work.
I had a 100 gallon tank, also, but sold it.
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Gunner Asch
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>On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 01:32:01 -0600, Ignoramus10998
><ignoram...@NOSPAM.10998.invalid> wrote:
>
>Nice job Iggy, but a question-
>
>Since you have multiple jerry cans why modify one can to accept the
>fuel lines instead of making a fitting for the lines that would fit
>into the spout opening ? That way you could simply move the lines from
>an empty can to a full one. For the few seconds it would take to move
>over you wouldn't get enough air into the system to losse prime in the
>pump. I've seem military geenys that used this setup & I've done
>similar for for gas fired gensets.
>
>
>Enquiring Minds Want To Know
>
>H.
Or why not simply make a "gas cap" that can be transfered from tank to
tank..the cap of course containing all the lines?
All it would need is a plain shank and perhaps an O-ring at the most.
Ignoramus10200
> Or why not simply make a "gas cap" that can be transfered from tank to
> tank..the cap of course containing all the lines?
>
> All it would need is a plain shank and perhaps an O-ring at the most.
1) I have all different jerry cans, most are steel ex-military
2) I had this setup with a cap and lines (can take pictures), and hated it
3) Transferring lines means shutting down the generator, which I would
like to avoid.
Pete C.
The last good ice storm we had before I left the frozen northeast had my
generator running for 3.5 days.
Pete C.
The nice thing about a diesel set when I was in the northeast was the
275 gal backup tank in the basement to supplement the 55 gal I had with
the generator. I had it setup with hydraulic type quick connects and a
long fuel hose so if the 55 gal got low I could switch it to pumping
from the 275 gal, with the return still going to the 55 gal and in an
hour of so the 55 gal would be refilled and I could switch back.
Pete C.
A day tank on the generator and hydraulic quick connect fittings on the
fuel lines and tanks works well with no shutdowns.
Gunner Asch
Your not planning on running it non stop are you? The fuel will run out
in..what 36 hours?
Blink blink.....thats not very smart..is it?
Gunner Asch
wrote:
Oooo...very nice!
Did it run well on "fuel oil"?
Stormin Mormon
electric usage. If you try to run your toaster oven, hair
dryer, and filament space heaters, you go through fuel at a
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Since you're not driving your genrator down the road, it's
legal. One farmer friend of mine used to use home heating
oil in the diesel engine of his farm tractor. A 275 gal tank
of fuel oil might be legal in your area.
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> During a blackout, you're supposed to scale way back on the
> electric usage. If you try to run your toaster oven, hair
> dryer, and filament space heaters, you go through fuel at a
> rapid rate.
>
You can buy fuel at gas stations. So far, all blackouts in our area,
left fuel supply mostly undisturbed. (except for a few local gas
stations).
i
Ignoramus2298
> would do an actual test, and let us know how it worked.
>
I believe that it is slightly under 1 gallon per hour, based on
interpolation of a table in the manual.
Ignoramus2298
> You figure to top off the gerry can while the generator is running?
> Sounds reasonable to me.
>
Sounds perfectly reasonable to me, too.
i
Pete C.
No complaints. #2 fuel oil = #2 diesel - transportation fuel taxes. In
the northeast it also has the appropriate winter blend since some folks
have outdoor tanks.
Stormin Mormon
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Pete C.
Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
> During a blackout, you're supposed to scale way back on the
> electric usage. If you try to run your toaster oven, hair
> dryer, and filament space heaters, you go through fuel at a
> rapid rate.
Not with a 20kW diesel generator. In most cases, running the oven,
clothes dryer and all the lights in the house barely gets you to half
load.
Ignoramus2298
This is the point of having a generator of this size, I will be able
to run basically whatever I want, maybe going easy on the electric
range.
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Pete C.
Don't worry about it. I've run just fine cooking and baking and running
the oil furnace off a 5kW gas generator.
Gunner Asch
"so far": is not something to depend on, you think?
Stormin Mormon
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with an oversized generator could share some power with
neighbors, in exchange for them providing fuel and some
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><ignora...@NOSPAM.2298.invalid> wrote:
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>>On 2009-11-30, Stormin Mormon <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> During a blackout, you're supposed to scale way back on the
>>> electric usage. If you try to run your toaster oven, hair
>>> dryer, and filament space heaters, you go through fuel at a
>>> rapid rate.
>>>
>>
>>You can buy fuel at gas stations. So far, all blackouts in our area,
>>left fuel supply mostly undisturbed. (except for a few local gas
>>stations).
>>
>>i
> "so far": is not something to depend on, you think?
Well, if I cannot buy fuel, I will try to run the generator only
intermittently. I do not see this as a big issue.
i
Ignoramus2298
> with an oversized generator could share some power with
> neighbors, in exchange for them providing fuel and some
> cash.
>
This is my hope. I do not particularly want to make money from
neighbors, but if I can get them to share the cost of fuel, it would
be great, especially if travel is involved to get fuel.
i
Pete C.
Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
> I'm always concerned about running out of gasoline. So, I'd
> want to scale back the electric usage when on generator.
I just ramp up my fuel reserves.
Bruce L. Bergman
<gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:23:05 -0600, "Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net>
>wrote:
>>The nice thing about a diesel set when I was in the northeast was the
>>275 gal backup tank in the basement to supplement the 55 gal I had with
>>the generator. I had it setup with hydraulic type quick connects and a
>>long fuel hose so if the 55 gal got low I could switch it to pumping
>>from the 275 gal, with the return still going to the 55 gal and in an
>>hour of so the 55 gal would be refilled and I could switch back.
>
>Oooo...very nice!
>
>Did it run well on "fuel oil"?
Should run just fine - #2 Distillate Fuel Oil is the same thing as
#2 diesel fuel.
But they usually sell you the Red Dye #2 Farm Diesel for Fuel Oil -
the red signifying that you did NOT pay state or federal road taxes on
the fuel. So when the CHP checks the fuel filters on the farmers'
Kenworth hauling produce into town and sees the red dye in the fuel,
he is busted. If it's on the highway, you have to pay the taxes.
(Boilers and Farm Tractors stay off the highways for the most part.)
--<< Bruce >>--
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Not always. In a real emergency, that fuel may be taken by the city
or county for emergency vehicles. There have been up to three week
interruptions in fuel delivery during and after a hurricane. The county
had a one week supply, so crews were sent out to pump out the tanks of
stations with no electricity. It was replaced when the first tankers
started to arrive.
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Ignoramus2298
I am not sure how many times I said this, but in this unlikely "real
emergency" I would only run the generator sporadically.
We do not have hurricanes here in Illinois.
i
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invent hokey stuff like bring a quart of CD rated diesel oil
for my machine, or five galons of diesel. If you set up as
Iggys Power and Light, people begin to expect it, and then
they get crabby if you aren't there fast enough, or if you
run out of fuel when "they need" power.
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"so far"
Gunner Asch
<ignora...@NOSPAM.2298.invalid> wrote:
>On 2009-11-30, Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:08:40 -0600, Ignoramus2298
>><ignora...@NOSPAM.2298.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2009-11-30, Stormin Mormon <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> During a blackout, you're supposed to scale way back on the
>>>> electric usage. If you try to run your toaster oven, hair
>>>> dryer, and filament space heaters, you go through fuel at a
>>>> rapid rate.
>>>>
>>>
>>>You can buy fuel at gas stations. So far, all blackouts in our area,
>>>left fuel supply mostly undisturbed. (except for a few local gas
>>>stations).
>>>
>>>i
>> "so far": is not something to depend on, you think?
>
>Well, if I cannot buy fuel, I will try to run the generator only
>intermittently. I do not see this as a big issue.
>
>i
My...but thats helpful thinking and planning..no?
You will never be a survivalist with that lsort of mindset.
Just a victim.
Bummer
Gunner Asch
<cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Sounds like the device is over sized. Sound like a person
>with an oversized generator could share some power with
>neighbors, in exchange for them providing fuel and some
>cash.
yes indeed.
Seems the fellow has chosen a Mack truck to run to the grocery store in.
2 miles to the gallon...but it has plenty of power.
Gerald Miller
wrote:
Up here in the frozen north, a guy I worked with had a space heater in
the garage where he parked his diesel car. That space heater used a
lot of fuel oil even in mid summer!
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada
Gunner Asch
One assumes you dont have a refinery in the back yard?
Ignoramus2298
We had a few big ice storms. Whole big areas, maybe half county size,
were without electricity for days.
That, to me, is the kind of situation when fuel is available, perhaps
at the expense of a trip to a gas station 20 miles away.
i
Ignoramus2298
> My...but thats helpful thinking and planning..no?
It is.
> You will never be a survivalist with that lsort of mindset.
>
> Just a victim.
There is a cost to everything. For example to storing 300 gallons of
diesel fuel on my property.
i
Ignoramus2298
><ignora...@NOSPAM.2298.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 2009-11-30, Stormin Mormon <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Sounds like the device is over sized. Sound like a person
>>> with an oversized generator could share some power with
>>> neighbors, in exchange for them providing fuel and some
>>> cash.
>>>
>>
>>This is my hope. I do not particularly want to make money from
>>neighbors, but if I can get them to share the cost of fuel, it would
>>be great, especially if travel is involved to get fuel.
>>
>>i
>
> One assumes you dont have a refinery in the back yard?
Not even a crematory
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> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:01:47 -0600, Ignoramus2298
> <ignora...@NOSPAM.2298.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 2009-11-30, Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:08:40 -0600, Ignoramus2298
>>><ignora...@NOSPAM.2298.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 2009-11-30, Stormin Mormon <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>> During a blackout, you're supposed to scale way back on the
>>>>> electric usage. If you try to run your toaster oven, hair
>>>>> dryer, and filament space heaters, you go through fuel at a
>>>>> rapid rate.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You can buy fuel at gas stations. So far, all blackouts in our area,
>>>>left fuel supply mostly undisturbed. (except for a few local gas
>>>>stations).
>>>>
>>>>i
>>> "so far": is not something to depend on, you think?
>>
>>Well, if I cannot buy fuel, I will try to run the generator only
>>intermittently. I do not see this as a big issue.
>>
>>i
>
> My...but thats helpful thinking and planning..no?
>
> You will never be a survivalist with that lsort of mindset.
>
> Just a victim.
>
> Bummer
>
> Gunner
>
life so far, and is surviving pretty well.
Steve B
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My sis lives in SC, and she has sent me some pictures of ice storms. I'd
rather go through a hurricane, and I've been through a few. Any sort of
home storage, planning, or preparation can come in very handy.
Steve
Michael A. Terrell
During a storm like that, it might as well be 1000 miles away. trees
down, power lines across the road, and the high chance of dying just on
the off chance that 1000 people aren't ahead of you in line. That is a
fool's mission.
Michael A. Terrell
Steve B wrote:
>
> My sis lives in SC, and she has sent me some pictures of ice storms. I'd
> rather go through a hurricane, and I've been through a few. Any sort of
> home storage, planning, or preparation can come in very handy.
I took a survival driving course in Alaska in the '70s. Only a fool
would risk being out any longer than absolutely necessary. Part of the
driving test was on four inches of slick ice, covered with water.
Michael A. Terrell
Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
> Glad they had the manners to replace the fuel. Still, it's
> spooky to have the government moving in on private business
> like that. Hope they at least got permission.
Of course they did. It had to be pumped out of the locked filling
ports. They had paperwork for the owner to sign, and they witnessed the
meter to see exactly how much was removed. It wasn't doing the station
any good, and it might be a member of their family who needed an
ambulance, fire truck or the rescue squad to save their lives. If the
tanks were empty, they didn't have to worry about thieves cutting the
locks and stealing a couple thousand gallons.
Gunner Asch
How far are you from the New Madrid Fault?
Hummmm?
Gunner Asch
I know Bruce....I grew up in Northern Michigan..trust me...notice the
quotation marks around "fuel oil"?
<G>
Gunner Asch
Indeed. Got 300 gallons in 9 gas cans?
Interesting
Gunner Asch
wrote:
Ayup. He has a genset he can only run for 36 hours before its dry...and
"so far" he is doing pretty good.
So far.
Gunner Asch
<ignora...@NOSPAM.2298.invalid> wrote:
>On 2009-12-01, Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:02:34 -0600, Ignoramus2298
>><ignora...@NOSPAM.2298.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2009-11-30, Stormin Mormon <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Sounds like the device is over sized. Sound like a person
>>>> with an oversized generator could share some power with
>>>> neighbors, in exchange for them providing fuel and some
>>>> cash.
>>>>
>>>
>>>This is my hope. I do not particularly want to make money from
>>>neighbors, but if I can get them to share the cost of fuel, it would
>>>be great, especially if travel is involved to get fuel.
>>>
>>>i
>>
>> One assumes you dont have a refinery in the back yard?
>
>Not even a crematory
>
>i
What would you need a crematory for? You dont own a shovel?
Stormin Mormon
generator. I think the answer is that price gouging laws
prevent them from making enough money to recover the cost of
the generator.
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Ignoramus11104
I believe that I am not close to it. I did research it at some point,
after reading a fiction book about this fault.
i
Ignoramus11104
On 2009-12-01, Stormin Mormon <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I've wondered why gas stations don't have a backup
> generator. I think the answer is that price gouging laws
> prevent them from making enough money to recover the cost of
> the generator.
They probably did the math and calculated that the probability and
expected duration of any electricity disruptions do not economically
justify buying a generator and maintaining it.
i
Gunner Asch
Not close..or not in the effected zone?
Gunner Asch
<ignoram...@NOSPAM.11104.invalid> wrote:
>>>i
>>
>> How far are you from the New Madrid Fault?
>>
>> Hummmm?
>
>I believe that I am not close to it. I did research it at some point,
>after reading a fiction book about this fault.
>
>i
http://www.greatdreams.com/madrid.htm
Posted on Fri, Sep. 26, 2008
New Madrid fault: earthquake threat is real
Published June 10, 1984
By Andy Mead
Herald-Leader Staff Writer
ST. LOUIS -- Take a green stick and start bending it. At first, not much
happens. Then, just before the stick breaks, you hear small pops and
cracks coming from inside.
That's how Dr. Otto Nuttli of St. Louis University describes what is
happening in the New Madrid earthquake zone. Every other day or so, the
land underneath the area where Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas, Missouri
and Indiana meet pops and cracks just a little.
The results are minor earthquakes, most so light that they are felt only
by the delicate seismographs that Nuttli has stationed throughout the
zone.
But, the scientist said, the pressure is building for a break -- a major
earthquake that
could conceivably devastate much of the nation's midsection, causing
thousands of deaths and billions of dollars in damages.
"The possibility is there," he said. "Enough energy has been stored up
to produce a damaging quake today, tomorrow, in the next decade -- we
don't know enough to predict when."
One thing he knows for certain: It's happened before. At 2 a.m. on Dec.
16, 1811, the ground underneath the tiny town of New Madrid, Mo., moved,
and that movement produced the greatest earthquake in the history of the
United States. Later estimates have placed the magnitude of the quake as
high as 8.7 on the Richter scale.
The earth literally ripped apart in some areas closest to the earthquake
epicenter. The ground rolled. Trees swayed. Great landslides swept
downward.
Rapids rose in the Mississippi River, which appeared to run backward for
a while. Islands in the river sank from view. Reelfoot Lake was formed
in Tennessee.
An Eddyville, Ky., shipbuilder named Matthew Lyon had just completed and
loaded with provisions a flotilla of boats for Gen. Andrew Jackson to
use in the battle of New Orleans. They were all swamped and lost.
The earthquake shook all of Kentucky, causing some cracked walls and
fallen chimneys in Lexington. Church bells rang in Washington, D.C.
Pavement cracked in Richmond, Va.
Shocks were felt in Canada, along the Eastern Seaboard and near the Gulf
of Mexico.
That was Act I. Another quake nearly as large occurred on Jan. 23, 1812,
and another on Feb. 7.
There were many, many smaller shocks. Jared Brooks, an engineer who was
living about 250 miles northeast of New Madrid in Louisville, Ky., set
up a system of pendulums and springs to measure them. He recorded 1,874
aftershocks in three months, more than 300 of which were strong enough
to cause damage.
Despite the tremendous intensity of the quakes, property damage and loss
of life were relatively light. The hardest-hit areas were sparsely
populated. Most people lived in simple, one-story wooden houses. Their
transportation was horses, mules and feet. They could hunt game and were
largely self-sufficient.
Today it's a different story. Cities have grown up near the fault.
Paducah, Ky., Memphis, Tenn., and Evansville, Ind., would be hit hard by
a repeat of the 1811 earthquake.
About 12.6 million people live in an area that would receive extensive
damage. Many of those people work or live in high-rise buildings. They
depend on bridges, highways, telephone lines and electricity. They have
built dams that could crumble if shaken hard and gas transmission lines
that could rupture.
Food supply lines could break down. Vital computer systems could fail.
Even a quake that produced little structural damage could cause great
economic damage if it knocked out increasingly important computer
systems, Nuttli said.
"Because our lifestyles are so different, we are much more vulnerable
today," he said.
In terms of rescue needs, Nuttli has compared the consequences of a
great quake to a nuclear war. It would require more than, say, sending
the National Guard from a dry part of the state to a part where flooding
is taking place. There would be very few "dry," or unshaken, places left
from which to stage rescue efforts.
The Kentucky Task Force on Earthquake Hazards and Safety, which
presented a report to then-Gov. John Y. Brown Jr. last summer, concluded
that most of the state's population would be "at risk" during a major
earthquake.
The quake would be worst in river towns and cities where the ground is
less stable. The task force's report mentioned Covington, Maysville,
Louisville, Owensboro, Henderson, Paducah, Madisonville, Hopkinsville,
Wickliffe, Benton, Mayfield, Murray, Calvert City and Fulton.
The task force cited a U.S. Army Corps of Engineers inventory of
Kentucky dams that listed 210 dams as "high hazard," 75 as "unsafe," and
five as ''urgent." It also quoted a U.S. Geological Survey Report:
"Few dams in the region have been designed to withstand earthquake
loads. The superposition of earthquake loads on dams of already unsafe
structures suggests that a substantial number of dam failures can
reasonably be expected in any major earthquake which affects the Central
United States."
Just as no one knows when another earthquake may hit the region, no one
knows how severe the next quake might be. There are, however, some
educated guesses.
Fortunately, Nuttli said, another earthquake in the 8.7 range is not
expected anytime soon. Earthquakes of that magnitude seem to occur in
the New Madrid area every 600 years or so, he said.
The energy that had built up underground before the earthquakes of 1811
and 1812 was spent during those quakes, Nuttli said. He doesn't believe
there has been time to store enough energy for a quake of an 8.7
magnitude.
But he does believe that the New Madrid fault has built up enough energy
to start regularly reminding people that it is there.
"I expect a lot more activity in the next 150 years than we have had in
the last 150 years," Nuttli said.
His studies show that there is enough stored energy -- the stick is bent
far enough -to produce an earthquake of 7.6 on the Richter scale.
A quake of that size would be felt by half the population of the United
States and by Kentuckians in all parts of the state. There would be
considerable damage in Western Kentucky. The ground would shake very
strongly in Lexington, where walls would crack and plaster would fall.
Even more likely in the next several years is an earthquake with a
magnitude of 6 or 6.5. Earthquakes of that size occur in the New Madrid
fault about every 75 years. There was one in 1843 and another in 1875
that caused damage in St. Louis, which is about 200 miles north of New
Madrid. Nuttli thinks the odds are good that another quake of that size
will occur before the end of the century.
The danger of an earthquake in America's heartland has been largely
overlooked until recently because most people assumed -- incorrectly --
that the greatest threat of a major earthquake exists along California's
San Andreas fault.
But, awareness of the New Madrid fault is increasing, and it appears
that finally something may be done about an earthquake before it
happens.
Part of a four-day National Earthquake Conference that ended in St.
Louis last week was the first meeting of a new organization called the
Central United States Earthquake Consortium.
The consortium, established in April with a $300,000 budget from the
Federal Emergency Management Agency, includes representatives from
Arkansas, Illinois, Indiana, Mississippi, Tennessee, Missouri and
Kentucky. It has two purposes -- to look for ways to offset the damages
expected from an earthquake, and to react with rescue efforts after a
quake occurs.
"We will be discussing how we go about making a quantum leap in
earthquake hazard reduction," said Lacy Suiter, who is Tennessee's
director of emergency management as well as chairman of the consortium.
"A quantum leap may be taking the first step."
One of the reasons there has been so little earthquake planning in the
region, experts agree, is because so few people are aware of the
potential danger.
"In the Eastern and Central United States, we just don't know much about
earthquakes because they happen so infrequently," said Ron Street, a
seismologist at the University of Kentucky.
The 5.2-magnitude quake that was shook much of Central Kentucky four
years ago took everyone by surprise because it was so unexpected, he
said. That quake was centered on Sharpsburg in Bath County and was not
related to the New Madrid fault.
Until the last decade or so, very little was known about the New Madrid
fault. Unlike the more active San Andreas fault, which in some places in
California can be seen on the surface, the New Madrid lies from 1,000 to
10,000 feet underground. Nuttli said it is part of a rift zone that
formed sometime between 500 million and a billion years ago, when the
land mass was attempting to split and create a new ocean.
It has been long since covered with river deposits, and out of sight
meant it was out of mind. The fault was "discovered" in 1911, when a
scientist named Myron Fuller visited the fault area. Although a century
had passed since the great quakes, he found evidence of their damage.
St. Louis University got its first seismograph in 1909, but up until a
decade ago the fault zone still wasn't clearly defined.
"People knew there had been earthquakes there, but they were looked on
as more of a curiosity than anything else," Nuttli said.
In 1970, Nuttli began the first extensive modern studies of the fault.
In 1974, he filled the area with seismographs and began recording
several small quakes each week.
Nuttli learned other things about the fault: The earthquakes it produces
create a lot more ground motion over a wider area than a quake of
similar intensity in California. "The San Andreas fault is five times
more likely to cause an earthquake," he said. "But with the New Madrid
fault, the area of damage can be 20 times greater."
Despite Nuttli's work, many people still don't believe an earthquake in
the Central United States is anything to worry about.
"Most people have not experienced an earthquake in their lifetimes, so
there is a lot of complacency," said Dr. Arch Johnston, director of the
Tennessee Earthquake Information Center in Memphis. "There are a lot of
shortrange problems. Getting something done about the long-range
problems is difficult.
"The problem is we're talking about a rare event, but one that could
cause great damage."
Ten years ago, Johnston said, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban
Development produced a study of the damage Memphis could expect from a
major earthquake in the year 2000. The study said that a quake on a
weekday, when children are in schools and workers are in office
buildings, could cost 3,000 lives and $1.3 billion damage in Memphis.
Despite the study, he said, buildings are going up in Memphis that are
not earthquakeresistant. He hopes the new consortium will promote
advances in areas such as building codes.
But what the consortium is attempting to do -- cut across state lines to
provide greater cooperation -- carries built-in problems. Governors and
state legislators closely guard their rights to set building standards
and run disaster management programs.
"It's like there are several hundred egos out there that need to be
soothed before you can get anything done," said Suiter, the consortium
chairman.
The Kentucky earthquake task force presented a list of recommendations
last summer that included an awareness and education program; putting
field hospitals and emergency supplies in place in areas that would be
hardest hit; stronger building codes; dam safety legislation; and new
guidelines for storing hazardous wastes.
What has happened to those recommendations in the last year is that an
advisory panel has been chosen to recommend how to carry them out, said
Wilbur Buntin, executive director of the Kentucky Division of Disaster
and Emergency Services. The names of those panel members will be
announced soon, he said.
Meanwhile, Buntin said his agency is engaged in a two-year program to
educate local disaster officials in Kentucky on how to deal with
earthquakes.
None of this will prevent the next earthquake, but it may help.
"No matter what we do, there will be a loss of property and a loss of
life," Dr. Samuel Speck of the Federal Emergency Management Agency told
the earthquake conference last week. "The question is, what can we do to
mitigate that."
Ignoramus11104
It is at least 200 mile distance. This means that any effects of an
earthquake there would be modest where I live.
i
Ignoramus11104
><ignoram...@NOSPAM.11104.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>>i
>>>
>>> How far are you from the New Madrid Fault?
>>>
>>> Hummmm?
>>
>>I believe that I am not close to it. I did research it at some point,
>>after reading a fiction book about this fault.
>>
>>i
> http://www.greatdreams.com/madrid.htm
>
> http://www.xomba.com/earthquake_in_illinois_new_madrid_fault_rears_its_ugly_head_in_st_louis_chicago_indiana_kentucky
It is basically very far from me.
i
pyotr filipivich
about Tue, 01 Dec 2009 02:45:45 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
As the man said as he fell past the tenth floor "So far, so good!"
tschus
pyotr
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!
Michael A. Terrell
Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
> I've wondered why gas stations don't have a backup
> generator. I think the answer is that price gouging laws
> prevent them from making enough money to recover the cost of
> the generator.
There was a proposal that all new gas stations (And ones that have
any major renovations) have a standard connector & transfer switch to
allow a portable generator be brought in to pump out the tanks and
operate a few lights. The big problem with generators at every station
is 'Who is going to maintain them'? Most gasoline is sold by
convenience stores around here. Do you expect a barely literate, pimple
faced kid to do the required work? They can't even keep the coolers &
AC working in a lot of places.
By requiring a sub panel for the pumps and selected lights, it is a
simple manual switchover when the generator is brought in.
Michael A. Terrell
More important, the liability of being open for business during a
major power outage or disaster.
Pete C.
A lot of telecom facilities operate the same way with and outside
generator connection and transfer switch vs. permanent generator. It
avoids a lot of permitting and tax hassles from a fixed installation,
allows a smaller pool of towable generators to handle the emergencies
and allows those generators to be maintained and serviced in a central
location.
Stormin Mormon
the roads are ice.
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Stormin Mormon
roto lock connector or something? Know what you mean about
the store operators. Many of them don't appear to be
mechanically minded. Who will buy and maintain all the
generators for occasional use?
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Gunner Asch
<ignoram...@NOSPAM.11104.invalid> wrote:
>On 2009-12-01, Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:01:26 -0600, Ignoramus11104
>><ignoram...@NOSPAM.11104.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>>>i
>>>>
>>>> How far are you from the New Madrid Fault?
>>>>
>>>> Hummmm?
>>>
>>>I believe that I am not close to it. I did research it at some point,
>>>after reading a fiction book about this fault.
>>>
>>>i
>> http://www.greatdreams.com/madrid.htm
>>
>> http://www.xomba.com/earthquake_in_illinois_new_madrid_fault_rears_its_ugly_head_in_st_louis_chicago_indiana_kentucky
>
>It is basically very far from me.
>
Shrug...yet you think you will be uneffected if it lets go?
Just how far ranging was the effect, compared to a quake of similar
Richter on the West Coast?
http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/prepare/factsheets/NewMadrid/
Earthquakes in the central or eastern United States affect much
larger areas than earthquakes of similar magnitude in the western United
States. For example, the San Francisco, California, earthquake of 1906
(magnitude 7.8) was felt 350 miles away in the middle of Nevada, whereas
the New Madrid earthquake of December 1811 (magnitude 8.0) rang church
bells in Boston, Massachusetts, 1,000 miles away. Differences in geology
east and west of the Rocky Mountains cause this strong contrast. [And
more recently] earthquakes of similar magnitude-the 1895 Charleston,
Missouri, earthquake in the New Madrid seismic zone and the 1994
Northridge, California, earthquake, [showed similar effects].
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/06/22/new.madrid.quake/
The [quake] in 1968, centered in southeastern Illinois near the
confluence of the Tennessee and Ohio rivers, caused moderate damage, but
it was felt across 23 states -- as far as the Carolinas -- and into
Canada.
For the New Madrid disaster, affecting cities from Houston to St. Louis
to Kansas City to Memphis to Cincinnati to Chicago and parts in between,
the number of people left suddenly homeless will be immense, compared to
New Orleans.
These cities are not quake proofed, as is the norm on the West Coast.
Lets look at the New Orleans disaster for a preview of what to expect,
insofar as rescue attempts.
Shrug...I hope you are right.
Gunner
Ignoramus11104
> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 12:35:23 -0600, Ignoramus11104
><ignoram...@NOSPAM.11104.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 2009-12-01, Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:01:26 -0600, Ignoramus11104
>>><ignoram...@NOSPAM.11104.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>i
>>>>>
>>>>> How far are you from the New Madrid Fault?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hummmm?
>>>>
>>>>I believe that I am not close to it. I did research it at some point,
>>>>after reading a fiction book about this fault.
>>>>
>>>>i
>>> http://www.greatdreams.com/madrid.htm
>>>
>>> http://www.xomba.com/earthquake_in_illinois_new_madrid_fault_rears_its_ugly_head_in_st_louis_chicago_indiana_kentucky
>>
>>It is basically very far from me.
>>
>
> Shrug...yet you think you will be uneffected if it lets go?
I think that I will be unaffected, yes. Maybe some broken dishes, if that.
i
Michael A. Terrell
Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
> Now, that's an interesting idea. Portable generator with
> roto lock connector or something? Know what you mean about
> the store operators. Many of them don't appear to be
> mechanically minded. Who will buy and maintain all the
> generators for occasional use?
The county EMC is supposed to have about a dozen trailer mounted
generators to take to different stations if needed. They will be
maintained for other uses, as well. That will defray the operating and
maintenance costs. For instance, every pumping station for the waste
treatment system already has the connectors, to allow the county to
connect a generator in case of a long term power outage. The county has
a few fuel tanker trucks, and it wouldn't be that hard to mount a
generator on them to power the pumps at a gas station.
Gunner Asch
<ignoram...@NOSPAM.11104.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>
>> Shrug...yet you think you will be uneffected if it lets go?
>
>I think that I will be unaffected, yes. Maybe some broken dishes, if that.
>
>i
Cool! Then make sure you are stocked up on paper plates and you are
good to go.
Never mind that pesky power failure state wide for weeks or months..you
can drive your car down the road to a non working gas station and not
get another 36 hours of fuel.
Good on you laddy!
Gunner
Ignoramus24315
><ignoram...@NOSPAM.11104.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Shrug...yet you think you will be uneffected if it lets go?
>>
>>I think that I will be unaffected, yes. Maybe some broken dishes, if that.
>>
>>i
>
>
> Cool! Then make sure you are stocked up on paper plates and you are
> good to go.
>
> Never mind that pesky power failure state wide for weeks or months..you
> can drive your car down the road to a non working gas station and not
> get another 36 hours of fuel.
You cannot live life without taking chances. There is a big cost to
stockpiling an excessive amount of crap in preparation to an event that
will nost likely never come. I have covered 99% of all eventualities,
and am prepared to suffer a bit in the other 1%, by stretching fuel
over more days.
i
Pete C.
Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
> I've heard that's a total nightmare during ice storm, when
> the roads are ice.
Not if the company in question has the proper trucks and trained crews.
Ignoramus24315
Around here, they use so called "salt" and have so called "salt
trucks" that spread said salt on roads.
It works great!
So I am taking it for granted that after a day (or usually less), I
could drive a few miles to another area and get more diesel fuel.
i
Gunner Asch
"for granted" and "so far" have killed many many people.
Shrug
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>
Big "if" in some places ..isnt it?
<G>
Bruce L. Bergman
<gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>
>I know Bruce....I grew up in Northern Michigan..trust me...notice the
>quotation marks around "fuel oil"?
>
>
><G>
>
>Gunner
Kind of figured, but...
Unfortunate that we can't do that around here, nobody plain and
simple "delivers fuel oil" in small quantities in So. Californication,
when most every house has natural gas available. And the ones that
don't have NG get Propane delivered, or raped for electric heat.
Not without a big rigamarole aranging for a truck delivery of fuel -
and extra delivery charges for a 'pump-out' delivery to an
above-ground tank instead of a simple gravity 'drop' (no basements,
and underground tank permits are a nightmare), and another charge for
small quantities - they want to deliver 2,000 gallons or more at a
shot to fill a truck compartment because most tankers don't have
delivery meters...
And the small tankers that do have delivery meters aren't doing the
quantity, because of the low demand their route runs only serve 6
customers not hundreds, so they cut you no slack at all on price...
So there's no savings over just buying your fuel at retail.
Or you kill half a day loading and securing drums in your truck,
going to the regional tank farm and picking it up yourself, driving
home, emptying the drums into long-term storage, and unloading the
drums. And all your savings are wasted in handling, time is still
money.
The one good thing, because it never happens around here most cops
would never think to check for pink.
--<< Bruce >>--
Pete C.
Every United Rentals, Nations Rent, etc. will also have plenty of
towable generators on hand.
Leo Lichtman
"Ignoramus10998" wrote(clip) The jerry can did not explode, as I filled it
with water almost to the
> level of where I was doing welding.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I did that once with a Harley tank. It had some small cracks around the
fuel valve on the bottom, so I filled it with water and placed it on my
bench, bottom up, and started to weld, Unnoticed by me was a tiny stream of
water coming out the gas cap vent hole, so the water level was slowly
dropping. I was also oblivious to the fact that gasoline was collecting on
the surface of the water, just below where I was welding. When it blew, the
cap came off, followed by a stream of water something like a fire hose in
action. The tank didn't rupture, but I got really wet.
In order to finish the job, I put the tank, full of water, in a 55 gal drum,
also full of water, with only the part I was welding above the surface.
That worked. Live and learn.
Ignoramus24315
Scary stuff. In my case, the gas can did not leak, and held diesel
fuel.
For extra safety, before welding, I stuck a propane torch into the
opening, and nothing ignited.
i
Michael A. Terrell
No kidding. They had to bering crews from 15 states after the last
hurricane, and it took over a month to restore power to all homes, and
another year to replace most of the damaged poles that didn't fall. The
last damaged pole near her was replaced a few weeks ago. ice storms can
snap lines from the extra weight. There is no way in hell they can be
repaired in a few days. They had six inches of snow in SE Alabama in
the '72/'73 winter season that took out a major power line, leaving
people without power for up to three weeks. It was the main feeder for
the entire area from a new power plant. Ft Rucker was on a different
feed, and wasn't affected.
Iggy thinks he knows everything, and that is a good way to kill
yourself. Anyone who thinks that stockpiling a month worth of food is
'wasted' is a fool. In fact, with food prices always creeping up you
save money by buying at today's prices instead of next month. It also
allows you to take advantage of sales and special purchases. I shave
about 25% off my food costs that way. Let him find out the hard way,
then the city can sell off all his toys for pennies.
Michael A. Terrell
If it had, your wife would be planning your funeral.
Stormin Mormon
shop vac to blow, and blow fresh air into the tank until it
stops smelling like gasoline. No water to end up in your
gasoline later.
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Stormin Mormon
remove all the shrapnel?
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"Ignoramus24315" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.24315.invalid> wrote
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Ignoramus1909
> Supposing it had ignited? Then, what? Hospital trip to remove all
> the shrapnel?
This is bullshit. It did not ignite for a reason.
The reason was that there was nothing to ignite in the tank.
The tank was full of water and contained diesel fuel before filling
with water.
The volume of air remaining in the tank was under a quart. The tank
had a big opening that I intentionally left open.
i
wmbjk...@citlink.net
<ignoram...@NOSPAM.24315.invalid> wrote:
>For extra safety, before welding, I stuck a propane torch into the
>opening, and nothing ignited.
That was my standard test back when I frequently welded on motorcycle
fuel tanks. Clean them out well, leave them open for days if possible,
then stick a torch (arm extended) into the filler hole. Often a little
whoosh. Leave open during welding, occasionally an additional smaller
whoosh. No big deal.
About 20 years ago I needed to weld an additional port on a 10,000
gallon surplus underground fuel tank that had very small vents
compared to its surface area. Filled with water above where I was
welding, and added dry ice. Welded on my fitting, then used a hole saw
to bore the opening.
Wayne
Steve B
"Ignoramus1909" <ignora...@NOSPAM.1909.invalid> wrote in message
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Iggy, let me give you a tip about Mr. Mormon. He's challenged. He top
posts little short replies which are sometimes Tourette's syndrome spews.
He has very little experience or skill. Just wants to post his church's URL
in the sig line. And top posts every time so that it is prominent. I see
you're catching on to him. Half his stuff is bullshit. 25% is
intelligible. The other 25% is just ootsie cutesie responses.
HTH
Steve
Leo Lichtman
"Stormin Mormon" wrote: (clip) Put a hose on the
> shop vac to blow, and blow fresh air into the tank until it
> stops smelling like gasoline. No water to end up in your
> gasoline later.
I have been told that you can run a hose from a small engine exhaust into
the tank. Let it run for an hour or so, which will not only displace the
air and gasoline vapor, but fill the tank with CO2. It's so logical it must
work. (I haven't heard from anyone who died from doing this.)
Stormin Mormon
your torch in to see if anything will ignite.
Quoting:
For extra safety, before welding, I stuck a propane torch
into the
opening, and nothing ignited.
i
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