Death of Water Fuel Cell Pioneer Stanley A. Meyer
ligh...@dmv.com
SERVICE HELD FOR GROVE CITY INVENTOR
March 27, 1998
A memorial service was held last night for a Grove City inventor who was
dead on arrival at Mount Carmel Medical Center after he became ill last
Friday night at a Grove City restaurant.
Stanley A. Meyer, 57, suffered a ruptured brain aneurysm, said Dr.
William Adrion, Franklin County coroner. However, Adrion will wait for
results of a toxicology examination before ruling on the cause of death, said
Capt. Dennis Deskins of the Grove City police department.
For at least the past 20 years, Meyer has been working on a water fuel
cell, a process that he claimed could cheaply remove massive amounts of
hydrogen from water and create fuel for everything from automobile engines to
power plants and spaceships.
Meyer's wife, Marilyn, other relatives and his attorney refused to
comment. The memorial service was held at Evans Funeral Home, 4171 E.
Livingston Ave.
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Received by H2O...@aol.com Friday 3/27/98 9:30PM
Hello,
I've noticed your posts in sci.energy.hydrogen concerning Stan Meyer's water
fuel cell technology. Thought you might be interested that he passed away
last Friday.
He was eating dinner at a Grove City, OH restaurant, when he jumped up from
the table, yelled that he'd been poisoned, and rushed out into the parking
lot, where he collapsed and died.
He had just secured funding for a $50 million research center near Grove City,
and there was a police cordon set up around the land where the center was to
be built and around his home.
Eyewitnesses reported a number of local police and "men talking to their
sleeves" at the house. His widow, family, and lawyer had no comment for the
local press.
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Harry H Conover
ligh...@dmv.com wrote:
:
: He had just secured funding for a $50 million research center near Grove City,
: and there was a police cordon set up around the land where the center was to
: be built and around his home.
He has secured funding from precisely who? Why were the police guarding
and empty plot of land where the 'research center' was to be built. Why
did they secure his home -- had he THAT many enemies, or is this simply
another one of those MIB fantasies?
Damn, even after the man's death, still more fiction and fantasy
continues to be emerge! Stan had no more chance of securing funding
for a $50 million dollar research center than does the average garage
flake.
I'm truly sorry to hear of Stan's death, as I am at the death of
any man. If your were a fan or fiend of Stan, at least try to show
some respect for the man, and empathy for his family, by curtailing
your fantasy posts for at least a reasonable period of time.
Harry C.
H2OPWRD
In article <6fk65r$1...@news-central.tiac.net>, con...@tiac.net (Harry H
Conover) writes:
>[ Article reposted from sci.energy,sci.energy.fusion ]
>[ Author was Harry H Conover ]
>[ Posted on 28 Mar 1998 23:34:09 GMT ]
>
>ligh...@dmv.com wrote:
>:
>: He had just secured funding for a $50 million research center near Grove
>City,
>: and there was a police cordon set up around the land where the center was
>to
>: be built and around his home.
>
>He has secured funding from precisely who? Why were the police guarding
>and empty plot of land where the 'research center' was to be built. Why
>did they secure his home -- had he THAT many enemies, or is this simply
>another one of those MIB fantasies?
His home is where his lab and life's work were Harry you stupid shit.
As it has always been Harry, it is PRIVATE BUSINESS INFORMATION as to from who
or where the financing was to come. I have been telling you for over a year
that the greatest risk to Stan's life was proof, scientific or otherwise, of
his ability to succeed at his mission of providing us with an escape route from
the polluting use of fossil fuels. He has had, and apparently DID have "THAT
many enemies." As far as the MIB, we will not likely hear much of anything
judging by the already tight-lipped family and associates, which is what men in
black are paid to do, keep people from talking. I intend to contact the
authorities involved and get more of the facts and any suspicious activities,
but I doubt I will be told much.
>
>Damn, even after the man's death, still more fiction and fantasy
>continues to be emerge! Stan had no more chance of securing funding
>for a $50 million dollar research center than does the average garage
>flake.
The local press has been following Stan's progress for over 17 years. If they
report that Stan had secured his financing, my opinion is that they had some
type of proof of it. In my opinion the financing will be pulled as a result of
Stan's death. He was the one and only responsible for all the technological
developement and was chief negotiator through all aspects of his slow but sure
progress. Unless he really had his affairs truly in order for the smooth
transfer of ownership and supervision of Water Fuel Cell under the contingency
of his demise, I feel very little will ever be seen of his work. If it does
not get confiscated as Tesla's work and records were, there will likely be
offers again made to purchase his patents by those will never let it see the
light of day. I do not know if any of his working associates that will be left
in charge have the heart, drive, and tenacity to ever fight the new battles
that will surely ensue over Stan's work.
>
>I'm truly sorry to hear of Stan's death, as I am at the death of
>any man. If your were a fan or fiend of Stan, at least try to show
>some respect for the man, and empathy for his family, by curtailing
>your fantasy posts for at least a reasonable period of time.
>
> Harry C.
>
You're sorry as shit Harry. You have no idea what it is to respect Stan Meyer.
Your comments above show nothing but contempt for Stan and those who knew him
and believe in his work. You have no business telling those that knew him what
it is to give him respect. I spit in your face.
All the available information comes from the Columbus Dispatch. Allthough many
of questions surrounding this tragedy remain to be answered I see it is
incumbant upon you to continue your defamatory comments about Stan Meyer.
Harry, you have no respect for anyone dead or alive that does not prove
themselves exclusively to YOU. Sorry, but as I said, Stan had privately proven
his work in a manner and to whom he chose that was sufficient for him to
control his work the way he saw fit. If you don't believe it, TOUGH SHIT. I
have been saying from my experience that all along there are too many things
happening around Stan and the whole endeavor for it not to be true. I never
said I had scientific proof. Scientific proof may be the most conclusive and
irrefutable but there is plenty of other experiential proof that can lead one
to deduce, just as the great Scherlock Holmes, that something is true. Again
absence of proof is NOT PROOF OF ABSENCE.
I know you will continue your defamatory unexperienced blather and I will
continue to give the world as much of a different view as I am able.
Truthfully, my heart is not in it as it falls on deaf or denying ears. History
has shown again that our world is not ruled by the good, and that the smart
thing to do is not done if it does not line the pockets of those who control
what really happens in this world. The same dark force of greed and control
that squelched Royal Rife, Bruce Depalma, and my friend and mentor Stanley
Allen Meyer continues it's pursuit of destroying this planet and the lives of
those who inhabit it. You Harry have bought in but you will see that all the
science in the world is not going to stop this planet and everyone on it from
being destroyed by the ecological disaster that is upon us. If we make it
through the Y2K crisis and the collapse of the Social Security system that you
think will be your retirement, maybe you will understand the importance of Stan
Meyer, but I doubt it.
JW
John M Feiereisen
[sci.skeptic and sci.energy added. Stan Meyer was the inventor of the
'Water Fuel Cell', supposedly able to decompose water into hydrogen
and oxygen with >100% thermal efficiency. He scammed a lot of people
out of 'investments' of huge sums of money. A couple of his victims
got wise to him a couple years ago and took him to court, where he was
found guilty of "gross and egregious fraud" and ordered to repay them
their money. Meyer died recently, and thus fortunately will no longer
be able to victimize other hapless 'investors'. One of his victims,
h2o...@aol.com (JW), has been hanging around sci.energy.hydrogen,
letting us know how little we know about thermodynamics.
You sci.skeptic regulars seem to like to kick around brain deadders
like Earl Curley, Ed Wollmann, Ed Conrad, and such, so I figured you
might like to meet JW.]
In <199803300009...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, h2o...@aol.com
(H2OPWRD) wrote:
>In article <351EC7C7...@engr.uvic.ca>, David Pasquill
><dpas...@engr.uvic.ca> writes:
>>No you are mistaken. First, I own a corporation, I incorporated it. No one
>>can make
>>me sell if I don't want to.
>Have you sold ANY of it to raise money??
>If you have shareholders, they can sell to anyone they want. You sell some
>shares to raise money in "public". This puts you under numerous corporate and
>securities laws that require publication of financial details that PRIVATE
>companies and trusts do not have to reveal. People can sue you whether they
>have a case or NOT for all kinds of managerial malfeasance and cripple your
>ability to raise more financing. Ala Preston Tucker.
>>Real estate the government can take but not my
>>business
>>thank you (short of war measures).
>The government cannot confiscate your real estate if you hold ownership in
>allodium. It would be an act of war against a sovereign according to the
>constitution. When you register your property by recording your title under
>the county jurisdiction you give them the right to take it away for nonpayment
>of taxes.
>They can take anything they want during a state of emergency including all your
>food, water, and transportation. They can separate families and put them in
>work camps. They don't even have to create a state of emergency to do it. It
>already exists.
Are you a Jack Van Impe fan by any chance?
>Clinton Extends State Of
> National Emergency - Again
>
>
> THE WHITE HOUSE
>
> Office of the Press Secretary
>
> For Immediate Release
> March 4, 1998
>
>
>
> TO THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES:
>
>
> Section 202(d) of the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1622(d))
> provides for the automatic termination of a national emergency
> unless, prior to the anniversary date of its declaration, the President
> publishes in the Federal Register and transmits to the Congress a
> notice stating that the emergency is to continue in effect beyond the
> anniversary date. In accordance with this provision, I have sent the
> enclosed notice, stating that the national emergency declared with
> respect to Iran on March 15, 1995, pursuant to the International
> Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701-1706) is to
> continue in effect beyond March 15, 1998, to the Federal Register
> for publication. This emergency is separate from that declared on
> November 14, 1979, in connection with the Iranian hostage crisis
> and therefore requires separate renewal of emergency authorities.
>
> The factors that led me to declare a national emergency with respect
> to Iran on March 15, 1995, have not been resolved. The actions and
> policies of the Government of Iran, including support for
> international terrorism, its efforts to undermine the Middle East
> peace process, and its acquisition of weapons of mass destruction
> and the means to deliver them, continue to threaten the national
> security, foreign policy, and economy of the United States.
> Accordingly, I have determined that it is necessary to maintain in
> force the broad programs I have authorized pursuant to the March
> 15, 1995, declaration of emergency.
>
>
> WILLIAM J. CLINTON
>
>>
>>Next you believe in Meyers but not in Ballard? Ford, GM and Benz buy in for
>>millions (real millions, ones that can be traced) and Benz says they will
>>have cars
>>cheaper than ICE's in 5 years and you believe Meyers?
>Sorry this is unintelligible...you're babbling.
Physician, heal thyself. David's statement is perfectly clear:
fuel-cell vehicles are on the horizon. You on the other hand, are
ranting and raving like a lunatic.
>Ballard's system is not a process that is universal and has only water and
>electricity in the form of voltage as inputs.
Yes, you're right. It's a viable system for generating electricity
for powering electric vehicles. This distinguishes it from Meyer's
Water Fuel Cell, which relies on gullibility.
>Do you think that we can make
>enough (methanol? Is theirs a Meth. reformer?) to replace all the oil, coal,
>and natural gas being used to generate power in this world before we are all
>fried from global warming? When do you think you will see one of these for
>less than $10,000...$15,000?...affordable?...HA!
Probably a bit sooner than *any* of us expect. This on-board
reformer, fuel cell, electric vehicle stuff is a hot topic these days.
>>Finally, if it works and breaks the known laws of nature,
>I keep telling you that Stan always said it is not violating any laws of
>physics...wake up!!
No, he just claimed to run a car on nothing but water. Nope, no
violation of physics there. ROTFL!
>>you think it needs
>>a
>>driving force and inventor to make it go?
>I knew Stan and he has the tenacity of a Southern Baptist preacher and the
>strength of his convictions.
And his followers put blind faith in him just as the Hale-Bopp,
Jonestown, and Waco whackos put faith in their leaders. JW, if Stan
had asked you to get castrated, would you have done so?
>He believed he was fulfilling prophecy by
>bringing this technolgy to the world to "end all war over scarce energy and
>natural resources."
Yup, add a tinge of religion and you'll find even more people willing
to give you money for a pipe dream. Sad.
>My contention is that this may be a serious setback.
For the sake of all of Meyer's potential victims, let's hope so. But,
sadly, there with be another charlatan along soon to take his place.
>I am
>sure there are ones that he trusts and trained to step in but he traveled the
>world alone on his own negotiating the systematic assimilation of his
>technology into the worlds equation.
My heart goes out to the friends and family of Stanley Meyer. But
let's face it, he was a fraud who ripped off many people of huge sums
of money. The world will be a better place without without him.
> Some one with $50 million wants to
>>invest
>>and presumably any intelligent person can build one in their garage but you
>>figure
>>the guys with the money and a machine that makes energy for nothing are going
>>to
>>give up because meyers is dead, even though this device will make them
>>infinitely
>>rich. About that bridge.
>>
>>Dave
>Even if you duplicate the process you still have to engineer the retrofit of an
>existing device.
What? Aren't people already running vehicles on hydrogen? Aren't
people already generating hydrogen from water and electricity? Aren't
people already generating electricity using alternators spun by IC
engines? What's to retrofit to make a working water-powered car?
>I have recieved correspondence from some who say hey have
>duped a Meyer type circuit.
It's not the circuit that's being duped.
>They claim that it is detectable as scaler waves
>by the GPS satellite system and that they and their families were visited and
>given threats if they continued to be "intelligent" in their garages. Stan had
>always said they had him on the GPS but never said he had an implant or
>anything. Maybe this is what he was talking about.
Wow JW. I used to think you're just gullible. Now I see you're
downright wacked out.
>As for the pulling of the financing, it remains to be seen, but many executory
>contracts can become void or his "living on" could have been a contingency.
>Death can make many contacts voidable.
You don't seem to concerned with reality. Why not take a stroll
through alt.paranormal? I'm sure somebody over there could help you
contact Meyer.
>I do doubt if his cronies will allow his work to die with him. The question is
>who actually owns the patents. If there is a Last Will and Testament it may be
>contested by who knows what kind of greedy relative or whatever that can tie up
>his estate in probate. As a WFC dealer, you can be sure I will be
>investigating all of these aspects.
Actually, I'd recommend looking into whether you can recover from his
estate the money he ripped off from you, before the lawyers burn it
all up.
>You cannot even begin to consider the implications beyond this making someone
>"infinitly rich" until you really believe that it works. When you do you will
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Faith healing may make the terminally-ill cancer patient feel better
about himself, but he's going to die just the same. Probably earlier
if he eschews *real* treatment in lieu of the faith healing.
>understand some of the impediments due to dealing with the people that already
>generation. They like buying all those new Mercedes cars...no matter what they
>are powered by.
>
>>
>>H2OPWRD wrote:
>>
>>> In article <351E7CB5...@engr.uvic.ca>, David Pasquill
>>> <dpas...@engr.uvic.ca> writes:
>>>
>>> >I have been trying to avoid this but once and for all, bullshit. Anyone
>>who
>>> >could
>>> >build this machine and make it work could incorporate a business, walk
>>into
>>> >any TV
>>> >station and go on the air. The next day his company would have millions of
>>> >investors (note the example of Ballard who clear threaten the oil
>>companies)
>>> >and
>>> >you can't kill a company, so he would be safe, as there would be no reason
>>to
>>> >kill
>>> >him. Problem is he had nothing to show. Or if he had something and had
>>> >funding why
>>> >would anyone kill him, the patent still exists and if someone with $50
>>> >Million
>>> >wants to develop it, they will.
>>> >
>>> >Anyway for all of you who have some extra cash you were going to invest in
>>> >Stan's
>>> >work, I have a nice bridge for sale.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> <snip important response to Harry's sympathy>
>>>
>>> You have very little knowledge about how businesses that incorporate can be
>>> taken over by outside entities. They can be taken over in a hostile bid
>>and
>>> liquidated by anyone with money that can be leveraged to make "an offer
>>they
>>> can't refuse". They are contolled by the State and Federal governement
>>which
>>> gives the government more rights than the owners. When you incorparate you
>>> give up jurisdiction of your property to these government entities. Look
>>at
>>> the movie, true story, of Preston Tucker to see what happens when
>>government
>>> conspires with big business that can legally bribe and coerce lawmakers.
>>> Ballard Power is a very insignificant "threat" to fossil fuel generated
>>power.
>>> The car will be nearly too expensive for anyone to buy. The only reason
>>they
>>> are being made is because some governments have made laws requiring a
>>minimum
>>> amount of very low polluting vehicles to be on the highways by the year
>>2000.
>>> Stan Meyer was the inventor and driving force behind the Water Fuel Cell
>>> endeavor. I do not know if the funding will even be available because of
>>his
>>> death or if he has trained enough people to continue to engineer and
>>administer
>>> this massive undertaking.
>>> Thanks for your support,
>>> JW
Sorry to disappoint you JW, but you don't get our support. You do get our
sympathy, however, for losing a friend. You get our pity for being gullible
enough to be taken to the cleaners by Meyer. And you get our scorn for what
appears to be your willingness to perpetuate his fraud.
John M Feiereisen
In article <199803310059...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
H2OPWRD <h2o...@aol.com> wrote:
>In article <6fp66c$c...@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, feie...@widget.ecn.purdue.edu
>(John M Feiereisen) writes:
>>[sci.skeptic and sci.energy added. Stan Meyer was the inventor of the
>>'Water Fuel Cell', supposedly able to decompose water into hydrogen
>>and oxygen with >100% thermal efficiency. He scammed a lot of people
>>out of 'investments' of huge sums of money. A couple of his victims
>>got wise to him a couple years ago and took him to court, where he was
>>found guilty of "gross and egregious fraud" and ordered to repay them
>>their money.
>Anyone can read Stan's side of the story. It was posted long ago including the
>thing about the $1.00 fine for the "gross egregious fraud"...sheeesh.
And anyone can read OJ Simpson's side of the story in his book,
"I Want to Tell You". I'd also guess that OJ wouldn't turn down
offers of money to help him look for 'the real killers'.
But OJ and Stan do differ in one respect. OJ was found 'not guilty'
of murder. Stan was found guilty of gross and egregious fraud.
David wrote:
>>>>Next you believe in Meyers but not in Ballard? Ford, GM and Benz buy in for
>>>>millions (real millions, ones that can be traced) and Benz says they will
>>>>have cars
>>>>cheaper than ICE's in 5 years and you believe Meyers?
>>>Sorry this is unintelligible...you're babbling.
>>Physician, heal thyself. David's statement is perfectly clear:
>You joking.
No, I serious.
>>fuel-cell vehicles are on the horizon.
>
>That's what he said?
That's how I interpreted it.
>I never said fuel-cell vehicles by Ballard would not happen. Stan's is a fuel
>cell too. You put fuel and a catalyst in you get energy and by products out.
>His just doesn't wear out so fast and uses electricity as a catalyst and
>recycleable clean burning water as fuel. I know your gonna eat that up. Flame
>away.
"Uses electricity as a catalyst"!!! ROTFL!!
Hey, JW, why wait until the water-powered car is put on the road? Right now,
I have a *working* *air-powered* car. (And I even commuted in it this morning.)
Yup, that's right, *air-powered*. It takes air in from the surroundings, and
extracts energy using gasoline as a catalyst. Just look around you. With Stan's
water-powered car, you'll still have to fill up occasionally with water. But
my car will never run short on fuel, as air is all around us! You only need to
replenish the catalyst occasionally.
I'm thinking about forming Air Fuel Cell, Inc. If you act right now, you
can invest in a distributorship to help take this technology to the masses.
Email me and we can start talking price...
>>>I keep telling you that Stan always said it is not violating any laws of
>>>physics...wake up!!
>>No, he just claimed to run a car on nothing but water. Nope, no
>>violation of physics there. ROTFL!
>You put water, electricity and ambient air in, you get power, heat, and water
>out.
Yup, you put water and power in, and you get water and power out.
Breakthrough. As soon as you find a way to get more power out than
you put in, you'll let us know, won't you?
>>>My contention is that this may be a serious setback.
>>For the sake of all of Meyer's potential victims, let's hope so. But,
>>sadly, there with be another charlatan along soon to take his place.
>Somebody you know no doubt.
No, but most likely somebody like Dennis Lee or George Wiseman.
Oops. I forgot. Those guys are already running their own scams.
>>My heart goes out to the friends and family of Stanley Meyer. But
>>let's face it, he was a fraud who ripped off many people of huge sums
>>of money. The world will be a better place without without him.
>That is your defamatory unexperienced opinion of someone you never met nore
>could hold a candle to.
Yeah, you're right. I don't have a sufficient level of dishonesty to
be as successful at bilking people as Stan was.
>I get your scorn for flying in the face of convention and having the strenth to
>persevere.
Oh, so you're going to be the one to take over the reins of Stan's scam?
After all, probably the only way you'll ever recoup the money he ripped
off from you will be to rip off others.
John M. Feiereisen
In <199803311752...@ladder03.news.aol.com>, h2o...@aol.com
(H2OPWRD) wrote:
>In article <6fqtka$1...@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, feie...@widget.ecn.purdue.edu
>(John M Feiereisen) writes:
>>In article <199803310059...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
>>H2OPWRD <h2o...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>I never said fuel-cell vehicles by Ballard would not happen. Stan's is a fuel
>>>cell too. You put fuel and a catalyst in you get energy and by products out.
>>>His just doesn't wear out so fast and uses electricity as a catalyst and
>>>recycleable clean burning water as fuel. I know your gonna eat that up.
>>"Uses electricity as a catalyst"!!! ROTFL!!
>If the electricity is used but not changed is that not a definition of a
>catalyst?
Wow. You've left me speechless with that one JW.
--
John
Avital Pilpel
John M Feiereisen wrote:
> You sci.skeptic regulars seem to like to kick around brain deadders
> like Earl Curley, Ed Wollmann, Ed Conrad, and such, so I figured you
> might like to meet JW.
HEY! WATCH IT!
Don't you know you are DEFAMING and LIBELLING Wollman and Curley this way, using
their name without their permission and thus you are also guilty of COPYRIGHT
VIOLATION, not to mention other grave offenses?
Their POWERFUL CORPORATE LAWYERS are already after us cynics and libelers in
sci.skeptic. We are all trembling in fear of the not-far-off day (considering how
long we waited, it MUST be in the mail as we speak) when they will SUE us all and
throw us in jail! Just Like Curley will do to Randi!
I mean, they are serious THIS time! only recently, Curley said that he will "enjoy
this" when it will soon happen, and Wollman claimed that (without threatening us) he
has retained my and other people posts for "legal purposes" and will sue WHEN HE IS
GOOD AND READY! He will not be tempted by us spinics to sue prematurely!
We don't need you to ADD to our already serious legal trouble!
;-)