Death of Water Fuel Cell Pioneer Stanley A. Meyer
Michael Hannon
Mr. CONover's shameless moronics continues.
He writes in one breath about necessary independent testing,
while tastelessly deriding someone upon his DEATH
with opinions lacking in the same verification of
his own insulting opinions he just
previously demands for valid proof from others.
I've seen people who are unaware of their own flaws before,
but this one is a remarkably outstanding example
of the low levels of self-awareness to which someone
involved in science can fall and still remain in a position
of relative power in the scientific community.
Totally non-self-aware personification of the Peter Principle.
True Scientific Objectivity requires constant critical self-analysis -
something which some people apparently were never taught,
and have never found the need for in their scientific careers.
How can this be?
Could it be that the "peerdom" of the scientific community
has reached such levels of unconscious, complacent, self-serving negligence?
Apparently so.
We're cranking out some of the worst
math and science students on the planet,
and Mr. CONover does WHAT for a living?
OH
Harry H Conover wrote:
> [ Article reposted from sci.energy,sci.energy.fusion ]
> [ Author was Harry H Conover ]
> [ Posted on 28 Mar 1998 23:34:09 GMT ]
>
> ligh...@dmv.com wrote:
> :
> : He had just secured funding for a $50 million research center near Grove City,
> : and there was a police cordon set up around the land where the center was to
> : be built and around his home.
>
> He has secured funding from precisely who? Why were the police guarding
> and empty plot of land where the 'research center' was to be built. Why
> did they secure his home -- had he THAT many enemies, or is this simply
> another one of those MIB fantasies?
>
> Damn, even after the man's death, still more fiction and fantasy
> continues to be emerge! Stan had no more chance of securing funding
> for a $50 million dollar research center than does the average garage
> flake.
>
> I'm truly sorry to hear of Stan's death, as I am at the death of
> any man. If your were a fan or fiend of Stan, at least try to show
> some respect for the man, and empathy for his family, by curtailing
> your fantasy posts for at least a reasonable period of time.
>
> Harry C.
Michael Hannon
I can only reaffirm your opinions here, JW.
Mr. CONover is without a doubt one of the most
tactless, tasteless, bigoted, and repeatedly WRONG people
posing as a representative of Science I have ever encountered on the web.
Can you image the crap he's feeding his students as "science?"
The very thought makes one's sphincter charleyhorse.
OH
H2OPWRD wrote:
> In article <6fk65r$1...@news-central.tiac.net>, con...@tiac.net (Harry H
> Conover) writes:
>
> >[ Article reposted from sci.energy,sci.energy.fusion ]
> >[ Author was Harry H Conover ]
> >[ Posted on 28 Mar 1998 23:34:09 GMT ]
> >
> >ligh...@dmv.com wrote:
> >:
> >: He had just secured funding for a $50 million research center near Grove
> >City,
> >: and there was a police cordon set up around the land where the center was
> >to
> >: be built and around his home.
> >
> >He has secured funding from precisely who? Why were the police guarding
> >and empty plot of land where the 'research center' was to be built. Why
> >did they secure his home -- had he THAT many enemies, or is this simply
> >another one of those MIB fantasies?
>
> His home is where his lab and life's work were Harry you stupid shit.
> As it has always been Harry, it is PRIVATE BUSINESS INFORMATION as to from who
> or where the financing was to come. I have been telling you for over a year
> that the greatest risk to Stan's life was proof, scientific or otherwise, of
> his ability to succeed at his mission of providing us with an escape route from
> the polluting use of fossil fuels. He has had, and apparently DID have "THAT
> many enemies." As far as the MIB, we will not likely hear much of anything
> judging by the already tight-lipped family and associates, which is what men in
> black are paid to do, keep people from talking. I intend to contact the
> authorities involved and get more of the facts and any suspicious activities,
> but I doubt I will be told much.
> >
> >Damn, even after the man's death, still more fiction and fantasy
> >continues to be emerge! Stan had no more chance of securing funding
> >for a $50 million dollar research center than does the average garage
> >flake.
>
> The local press has been following Stan's progress for over 17 years. If they
> report that Stan had secured his financing, my opinion is that they had some
> type of proof of it. In my opinion the financing will be pulled as a result of
> Stan's death. He was the one and only responsible for all the technological
> developement and was chief negotiator through all aspects of his slow but sure
> progress. Unless he really had his affairs truly in order for the smooth
> transfer of ownership and supervision of Water Fuel Cell under the contingency
> of his demise, I feel very little will ever be seen of his work. If it does
> not get confiscated as Tesla's work and records were, there will likely be
> offers again made to purchase his patents by those will never let it see the
> light of day. I do not know if any of his working associates that will be left
> in charge have the heart, drive, and tenacity to ever fight the new battles
> that will surely ensue over Stan's work.
> >
> >I'm truly sorry to hear of Stan's death, as I am at the death of
> >any man. If your were a fan or fiend of Stan, at least try to show
> >some respect for the man, and empathy for his family, by curtailing
> >your fantasy posts for at least a reasonable period of time.
> >
> > Harry C.
> >
> You're sorry as shit Harry. You have no idea what it is to respect Stan Meyer.
> Your comments above show nothing but contempt for Stan and those who knew him
> and believe in his work. You have no business telling those that knew him what
> it is to give him respect. I spit in your face.
> All the available information comes from the Columbus Dispatch. Allthough many
> of questions surrounding this tragedy remain to be answered I see it is
> incumbant upon you to continue your defamatory comments about Stan Meyer.
> Harry, you have no respect for anyone dead or alive that does not prove
> themselves exclusively to YOU. Sorry, but as I said, Stan had privately proven
> his work in a manner and to whom he chose that was sufficient for him to
> control his work the way he saw fit. If you don't believe it, TOUGH SHIT. I
> have been saying from my experience that all along there are too many things
> happening around Stan and the whole endeavor for it not to be true. I never
> said I had scientific proof. Scientific proof may be the most conclusive and
> irrefutable but there is plenty of other experiential proof that can lead one
> to deduce, just as the great Scherlock Holmes, that something is true. Again
> absence of proof is NOT PROOF OF ABSENCE.
> I know you will continue your defamatory unexperienced blather and I will
> continue to give the world as much of a different view as I am able.
> Truthfully, my heart is not in it as it falls on deaf or denying ears. History
> has shown again that our world is not ruled by the good, and that the smart
> thing to do is not done if it does not line the pockets of those who control
> what really happens in this world. The same dark force of greed and control
> that squelched Royal Rife, Bruce Depalma, and my friend and mentor Stanley
> Allen Meyer continues it's pursuit of destroying this planet and the lives of
> those who inhabit it. You Harry have bought in but you will see that all the
> science in the world is not going to stop this planet and everyone on it from
> being destroyed by the ecological disaster that is upon us. If we make it
> through the Y2K crisis and the collapse of the Social Security system that you
> think will be your retirement, maybe you will understand the importance of Stan
> Meyer, but I doubt it.
>
> JW
Michael Hannon
Perhaps, Josef, one would be well-suited at this time
to bring up what was done to Viktor Schauberger
when he brought his water and vortex discoveries to the United States,
the "Pinnacle of the Free World," when, after years of forced work for
Hitler's regime, he came to us to give away his knowledge, instead
of getting the "Werner von Braun treatment," he was treated basically as
a criminal, and forced to sign agreements basically in order to avoid prison.
Some reception.
He had to agree that:
All of his patents become the property of a consortium of industrial
interests,
who, to this day (to my knowledge) have never been allowed to be made public.
Any future inventions or developments would also become their property.
He was bound by them to refrain from discussing any of it with third
parties,
and he could not publish ANY of his discoveries.
All plans and models would remain with them after his departure from the
US.
Apparently he was so destroyed by this treatment of his life's work that he
literally
died from the emotional trauma of it five days after returning to Austria from
the ordeal.
His son, Walter, refuses to this day to communicate with Americans, as a matter
of principle,
in any form.
So much for the dreamworld these people are attempting
to foist on readers here about the lot of inventors and researchers
of new, viable technology which challenges the status quo in this country.
Michael
J. Hasslberger wrote:
> In article <351E7CB5...@engr.uvic.ca>, David Pasquill
> <dpas...@engr.uvic.ca> wrote:
>
> > I have been trying to avoid this but once and for all, bullshit.
>
> doesn't seem you tried very hard.
>
> Anyone who could
> > build this machine and make it work could incorporate a business, walk
> into any TV
> > station and go on the air. The next day his company would have millions of
> > investors
>
> You are clearly living in a world that has nothing to do with reality.
> Maybe you should do some research on what happened to the greater part of
> inventors who did threaten the monopoly.
>
> >Problem is he had nothing to show.
>
> You must certainly be the right person to pronounce on this???
>
> > Anyway for all of you who have some extra cash you were going to invest
> in Stan's
> > work, I have a nice bridge for sale.
> >
>
> Ever heard the word taste?
>
> I guess not.
>
> Regards - Josef
>
> --
> Josef Hasslberger Rome - Italy
> <sepp at lastrega dot com>
> my home page: http://www.lastrega.com/Hasslberger
Harry H Conover
[ Article reposted from sci.energy,sci.energy.fusion ]
[ Author was Harry H Conover ]
[ Posted on 28 Mar 1998 23:34:09 GMT ]
ligh...@dmv.com wrote:
:
: He had just secured funding for a $50 million research center near Grove City,
: and there was a police cordon set up around the land where the center was to
: be built and around his home.
He has secured funding from precisely who? Why were the police guarding
and empty plot of land where the 'research center' was to be built. Why
did they secure his home -- had he THAT many enemies, or is this simply
another one of those MIB fantasies?
Damn, even after the man's death, still more fiction and fantasy
continues to be emerge! Stan had no more chance of securing funding
for a $50 million dollar research center than does the average garage
flake.
I'm truly sorry to hear of Stan's death, as I am at the death of
H2OPWRD
>[ Article reposted from sci.energy,sci.energy.fusion ]
>[ Author was Harry H Conover ]
>[ Posted on 28 Mar 1998 23:34:09 GMT ]
>
>ligh...@dmv.com wrote:
>:
>: He had just secured funding for a $50 million research center near Grove
>City,
>: and there was a police cordon set up around the land where the center was
>to
>: be built and around his home.
>
>He has secured funding from precisely who? Why were the police guarding
>and empty plot of land where the 'research center' was to be built. Why
>did they secure his home -- had he THAT many enemies, or is this simply
>another one of those MIB fantasies?
His home is where his lab and life's work were Harry you stupid shit.
As it has always been Harry, it is PRIVATE BUSINESS INFORMATION as to from who
or where the financing was to come. I have been telling you for over a year
that the greatest risk to Stan's life was proof, scientific or otherwise, of
his ability to succeed at his mission of providing us with an escape route from
the polluting use of fossil fuels. He has had, and apparently DID have "THAT
many enemies." As far as the MIB, we will not likely hear much of anything
judging by the already tight-lipped family and associates, which is what men in
black are paid to do, keep people from talking. I intend to contact the
authorities involved and get more of the facts and any suspicious activities,
but I doubt I will be told much.
>
>Damn, even after the man's death, still more fiction and fantasy
>continues to be emerge! Stan had no more chance of securing funding
>for a $50 million dollar research center than does the average garage
>flake.
The local press has been following Stan's progress for over 17 years. If they
report that Stan had secured his financing, my opinion is that they had some
type of proof of it. In my opinion the financing will be pulled as a result of
Stan's death. He was the one and only responsible for all the technological
developement and was chief negotiator through all aspects of his slow but sure
progress. Unless he really had his affairs truly in order for the smooth
transfer of ownership and supervision of Water Fuel Cell under the contingency
of his demise, I feel very little will ever be seen of his work. If it does
not get confiscated as Tesla's work and records were, there will likely be
offers again made to purchase his patents by those will never let it see the
light of day. I do not know if any of his working associates that will be left
in charge have the heart, drive, and tenacity to ever fight the new battles
that will surely ensue over Stan's work.
>
>I'm truly sorry to hear of Stan's death, as I am at the death of
>any man. If your were a fan or fiend of Stan, at least try to show
>some respect for the man, and empathy for his family, by curtailing
>your fantasy posts for at least a reasonable period of time.
>
> Harry C.
>
David Pasquill
build this machine and make it work could incorporate a business, walk into any TV
station and go on the air. The next day his company would have millions of
you can't kill a company, so he would be safe, as there would be no reason to kill
him. Problem is he had nothing to show. Or if he had something and had funding why
would anyone kill him, the patent still exists and if someone with $50 Million
wants to develop it, they will.
Anyway for all of you who have some extra cash you were going to invest in Stan's
work, I have a nice bridge for sale.
H2OPWRD
>I have been trying to avoid this but once and for all, bullshit. Anyone who
>could
>build this machine and make it work could incorporate a business, walk into
>any TV
>station and go on the air. The next day his company would have millions of
>investors (note the example of Ballard who clear threaten the oil companies)
>and
>you can't kill a company, so he would be safe, as there would be no reason to
>kill
>him. Problem is he had nothing to show. Or if he had something and had
>funding why
>would anyone kill him, the patent still exists and if someone with $50
>Million
>wants to develop it, they will.
>
>Anyway for all of you who have some extra cash you were going to invest in
>Stan's
>work, I have a nice bridge for sale.
>
>
<snip important response to Harry's sympathy>
You have very little knowledge about how businesses that incorporate can be
taken over by outside entities. They can be taken over in a hostile bid and
liquidated by anyone with money that can be leveraged to make "an offer they
can't refuse". They are contolled by the State and Federal governement which
gives the government more rights than the owners. When you incorparate you
give up jurisdiction of your property to these government entities. Look at
the movie, true story, of Preston Tucker to see what happens when government
conspires with big business that can legally bribe and coerce lawmakers.
Ballard Power is a very insignificant "threat" to fossil fuel generated power.
The car will be nearly too expensive for anyone to buy. The only reason they
are being made is because some governments have made laws requiring a minimum
amount of very low polluting vehicles to be on the highways by the year 2000.
Stan Meyer was the inventor and driving force behind the Water Fuel Cell
endeavor. I do not know if the funding will even be available because of his
death or if he has trained enough people to continue to engineer and administer
this massive undertaking.
Thanks for your support,
JW
H2OPWRD
In article <199803291745...@ladder03.news.aol.com>, h2o...@aol.com
(H2OPWRD) writes:
> When you incorparate you
>give up jurisdiction of your property to these government entities. Look at
>the movie, true story, of Preston Tucker to see what happens when government
>conspires with big business that can legally bribe and coerce lawmakers.
>Ballard Power is
(should be ISN'T) sorry..sheesh
H2OPWRD
In article <199803291815...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, h2o...@aol.com
(H2OPWRD) writes:
>> When you incorparate you
>>give up jurisdiction of your property to these government entities. Look at
>>the movie, true story, of Preston Tucker to see what happens when government
>>conspires with big business that can legally bribe and coerce lawmakers.
>>Ballard Power is
>(should be ISN'T) sorry..sheesh
Shit..never mind...had it right the first time...
>> a very insignificant "threat" to fossil fuel generated
~~~~~~~~~
J. Hasslberger
> I have been trying to avoid this but once and for all, bullshit.
doesn't seem you tried very hard.
Anyone who could
> build this machine and make it work could incorporate a business, walk
into any TV
> station and go on the air. The next day his company would have millions of
> investors
You are clearly living in a world that has nothing to do with reality.
Maybe you should do some research on what happened to the greater part of
inventors who did threaten the monopoly.
>Problem is he had nothing to show.
You must certainly be the right person to pronounce on this???
> Anyway for all of you who have some extra cash you were going to invest
in Stan's
> work, I have a nice bridge for sale.
>
Ever heard the word taste?
Sonny Jesus
>> In article <351E7CB5...@engr.uvic.ca>, David Pasquill
>> <dpas...@engr.uvic.ca> wrote:
>>
>> > I have been trying to avoid this but once and for all, bullshit.
>>
>> doesn't seem you tried very hard.
>>
>> Anyone who could
>> > build this machine and make it work could incorporate a business, walk
>> into any TV
>> > station and go on the air. The next day his company would have millions of
>> > investors
>>
>> You are clearly living in a world that has nothing to do with reality.
>> Maybe you should do some research on what happened to the greater part of
>> inventors who did threaten the monopoly.
>>
>> >Problem is he had nothing to show.
>>
>> You must certainly be the right person to pronounce on this???
>>
>> > Anyway for all of you who have some extra cash you were going to invest
>> in Stan's
>> > work, I have a nice bridge for sale.
>> >
>>
>> Ever heard the word taste?
>>
>> I guess not.
>>
>> Regards - Josef
>>
>> --
>> Josef Hasslberger Rome - Italy
>> <sepp at lastrega dot com>
>> my home page: http://www.lastrega.com/Hasslberger
>
>
>
Sonny Jesus <aka...Trapper Jesus M.D.
Email: sonny...@hotmail.net <Change net to com to Email
Researcher and member in good standing
of The Center for Usenet Disease Control.
David Pasquill
me sell if I don't want to. Real estate the government can take but not my business
thank you (short of war measures).
Next you believe in Meyers but not in Ballard? Ford, GM and Benz buy in for
millions (real millions, ones that can be traced) and Benz says they will have cars
cheaper than ICE's in 5 years and you believe Meyers?
Finally, if it works and breaks the known laws of nature, you think it needs a
driving force and inventor to make it go? Some one with $50 million wants to invest
and presumably any intelligent person can build one in their garage but you figure
the guys with the money and a machine that makes energy for nothing are going to
give up because meyers is dead, even though this device will make them infinitely
rich. About that bridge.
Dave
H2OPWRD wrote:
> In article <351E7CB5...@engr.uvic.ca>, David Pasquill
> <dpas...@engr.uvic.ca> writes:
>
> >I have been trying to avoid this but once and for all, bullshit. Anyone who
> >could
> >build this machine and make it work could incorporate a business, walk into
> >any TV
> >station and go on the air. The next day his company would have millions of
> >investors (note the example of Ballard who clear threaten the oil companies)
> >and
> >you can't kill a company, so he would be safe, as there would be no reason to
> >kill
> >him. Problem is he had nothing to show. Or if he had something and had
> >funding why
> >would anyone kill him, the patent still exists and if someone with $50
> >Million
> >wants to develop it, they will.
> >
> >Anyway for all of you who have some extra cash you were going to invest in
> >Stan's
> >work, I have a nice bridge for sale.
> >
> >
>
> <snip important response to Harry's sympathy>
>
> You have very little knowledge about how businesses that incorporate can be
> taken over by outside entities. They can be taken over in a hostile bid and
> liquidated by anyone with money that can be leveraged to make "an offer they
> can't refuse". They are contolled by the State and Federal governement which
> gives the government more rights than the owners. When you incorparate you
> give up jurisdiction of your property to these government entities. Look at
> the movie, true story, of Preston Tucker to see what happens when government
> conspires with big business that can legally bribe and coerce lawmakers.
> Ballard Power is a very insignificant "threat" to fossil fuel generated power.
> The car will be nearly too expensive for anyone to buy. The only reason they
> are being made is because some governments have made laws requiring a minimum
> amount of very low polluting vehicles to be on the highways by the year 2000.
H2OPWRD
In article <351EC7C7...@engr.uvic.ca>, David Pasquill
<dpas...@engr.uvic.ca> writes:
>No you are mistaken. First, I own a corporation, I incorporated it. No one
>can make
>me sell if I don't want to.
Have you sold ANY of it to raise money??
If you have shareholders, they can sell to anyone they want. You sell some
shares to raise money in "public". This puts you under numerous corporate and
securities laws that require publication of financial details that PRIVATE
companies and trusts do not have to reveal. People can sue you whether they
have a case or NOT for all kinds of managerial malfeasance and cripple your
ability to raise more financing. Ala Preston Tucker.
>Real estate the government can take but not my
>business
>thank you (short of war measures).
The government cannot confiscate your real estate if you hold ownership in
allodium. It would be an act of war against a sovereign according to the
constitution. When you register your property by recording your title under
the county jurisdiction you give them the right to take it away for nonpayment
of taxes.
They can take anything they want during a state of emergency including all your
food, water, and transportation. They can separate families and put them in
work camps. They don't even have to create a state of emergency to do it. It
already exists.
Clinton Extends State Of
National Emergency - Again
THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release
March 4, 1998
TO THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES:
Section 202(d) of the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1622(d))
provides for the automatic termination of a national emergency
unless, prior to the anniversary date of its declaration, the President
publishes in the Federal Register and transmits to the Congress a
notice stating that the emergency is to continue in effect beyond the
anniversary date. In accordance with this provision, I have sent the
enclosed notice, stating that the national emergency declared with
respect to Iran on March 15, 1995, pursuant to the International
Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701-1706) is to
continue in effect beyond March 15, 1998, to the Federal Register
for publication. This emergency is separate from that declared on
November 14, 1979, in connection with the Iranian hostage crisis
and therefore requires separate renewal of emergency authorities.
The factors that led me to declare a national emergency with respect
to Iran on March 15, 1995, have not been resolved. The actions and
policies of the Government of Iran, including support for
international terrorism, its efforts to undermine the Middle East
peace process, and its acquisition of weapons of mass destruction
and the means to deliver them, continue to threaten the national
security, foreign policy, and economy of the United States.
Accordingly, I have determined that it is necessary to maintain in
force the broad programs I have authorized pursuant to the March
15, 1995, declaration of emergency.
WILLIAM J. CLINTON
>
>Next you believe in Meyers but not in Ballard? Ford, GM and Benz buy in for
>millions (real millions, ones that can be traced) and Benz says they will
>have cars
>cheaper than ICE's in 5 years and you believe Meyers?
Sorry this is unintelligible...you're babbling.
Ballard's system is not a process that is universal and has only water and
electricity in the form of voltage as inputs. Do you think that we can make
enough (methanol? Is theirs a Meth. reformer?) to replace all the oil, coal,
and natural gas being used to generate power in this world before we are all
fried from global warming? When do you think you will see one of these for
less than $10,000...$15,000?...affordable?...HA!
>
>Finally, if it works and breaks the known laws of nature,
I keep telling you that Stan always said it is not violating any laws of
physics...wake up!!
>you think it needs
>a
>driving force and inventor to make it go?
I knew Stan and he has the tenacity of a Southern Baptist preacher and the
strength of his convictions. He believed he was fulfilling prophecy by
bringing this technolgy to the world to "end all war over scarce energy and
natural resources." My contention is that this may be a serious setback. I am
sure there are ones that he trusts and trained to step in but he traveled the
world alone on his own negotiating the systematic assimilation of his
technology into the worlds equation.
Some one with $50 million wants to
>invest
>and presumably any intelligent person can build one in their garage but you
>figure
>the guys with the money and a machine that makes energy for nothing are going
>to
>give up because meyers is dead, even though this device will make them
>infinitely
>rich. About that bridge.
>
>Dave
Even if you duplicate the process you still have to engineer the retrofit of an
existing device. I have recieved correspondence from some who say hey have
duped a Meyer type circuit. They claim that it is detectable as scaler waves
by the GPS satellite system and that they and their families were visited and
given threats if they continued to be "intelligent" in their garages. Stan had
always said they had him on the GPS but never said he had an implant or
anything. Maybe this is what he was talking about.
As for the pulling of the financing, it remains to be seen, but many executory
contracts can become void or his "living on" could have been a contingency.
Death can make many contacts voidable.
I do doubt if his cronies will allow his work to die with him. The question is
who actually owns the patents. If there is a Last Will and Testament it may be
contested by who knows what kind of greedy relative or whatever that can tie up
his estate in probate. As a WFC dealer, you can be sure I will be
investigating all of these aspects.
You cannot even begin to consider the implications beyond this making someone
"infinitly rich" until you really believe that it works. When you do you will
understand some of the impediments due to dealing with the people that already
are "infinitly rich" from our total reliance on oil and fossil fuel power
generation. They like buying all those new Mercedes cars...no matter what they
are powered by.
David Pasquill
it all makes semse now. How could I have been so blind, believing that all those
car companies were pumping money into Ballard for profit. Clearly it was to
distract us from Stan's mission from GOD! I am so sorry for having doubted.
Say do you have one of those fancy implants that sends voices into your head? Boy I
would sure like one of those. Mine just buzzes when "they" (we know who I mean)
don't like my behaviour. But it occured to me, we shouldn't be talking about this
on a open forum, they might here. Ahhhh the buzzing, they are coming, I have to go.
Please keep up the fight...............
Giving up
Dave
J. Hasslberger
In article <6fm9uj$j...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>,
oha...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
Agreed. Schauberger was given the treatment you mention and died shortly
after his return to Austria.
Schauberger's son by the way died about a year ago.
There are some efforts to duplicate what Viktor Schauberger did, but with
little success as far as I know.
In effect, his technology was 'wrapped up and put away' as was Nikola
Tesla's after his death.
Sad story, but I refuse to believe that suppression can last eternally.
Somewhere the cycle must break.
H2OPWRD
In article <351FB87E...@engr.uvic.ca>, David Pasquill
<dpas...@engr.uvic.ca> writes:
>You know I had missed the GPS/implant connection. I don't know what I was
>thinking,
>it all makes semse now. How could I have been so blind, believing that all
>those
>car companies were pumping money into Ballard for profit. Clearly it was to
>distract us from Stan's mission from GOD! I am so sorry for having doubted.
>
>Say do you have one of those fancy implants that sends voices into your head?
>Boy I
>would sure like one of those. Mine just buzzes when "they" (we know who I
>mean)
>don't like my behaviour. But it occured to me, we shouldn't be talking about
>this
>on a open forum, they might here. Ahhhh the buzzing, they are coming, I have
>to go.
>Please keep up the fight...............
>
>Giving up
>Dave
Good riddance.
Harry H Conover
H2OPWRD (h2o...@aol.com) wrote:
:
: Good riddance.
Very harsh, JW, very harsh indeed! ...And I had thought
that Stan was your friend.
Harry C.
Michael Hannon
J. Hasslberger wrote:
I agree. There is much more use of Tesla's work than is popularly known -
check Tom Bearden's work available from Amazon.com, who also has
books on Schauberger's work. According to them, a publisher is coming out with
a book translated from Schauberger's own text - I've got it order from them.
Michael
H2OPWRD
In article <6fou9m$j...@news-central.tiac.net>, con...@tiac.net (Harry H
Conover) writes:
Harry your editing is the lowest most defamatory on the net.
Why do you think you can get away with this shit?
Here is what you left out asshole:
<snip other stupid comments regarding mind control implants>
>don't like my behaviour. But it occured to me, we shouldn't be talking about
>this
>on a open forum, they might here. Ahhhh the buzzing, they are coming, I have
>to go.
>Please keep up the fight...............
>
>Giving up
>Dave
Good riddance.
So..for the record the good riddance was for Dave...duh Harry. You have and
will continue to be everything Michael and others here have always said you
are.
JW
John M Feiereisen
[sci.skeptic and sci.energy added. Stan Meyer was the inventor of the
'Water Fuel Cell', supposedly able to decompose water into hydrogen
and oxygen with >100% thermal efficiency. He scammed a lot of people
out of 'investments' of huge sums of money. A couple of his victims
got wise to him a couple years ago and took him to court, where he was
found guilty of "gross and egregious fraud" and ordered to repay them
their money. Meyer died recently, and thus fortunately will no longer
be able to victimize other hapless 'investors'. One of his victims,
h2o...@aol.com (JW), has been hanging around sci.energy.hydrogen,
letting us know how little we know about thermodynamics.
You sci.skeptic regulars seem to like to kick around brain deadders
like Earl Curley, Ed Wollmann, Ed Conrad, and such, so I figured you
might like to meet JW.]
In <199803300009...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, h2o...@aol.com
(H2OPWRD) wrote:
Are you a Jack Van Impe fan by any chance?
Physician, heal thyself. David's statement is perfectly clear:
fuel-cell vehicles are on the horizon. You on the other hand, are
ranting and raving like a lunatic.
>Ballard's system is not a process that is universal and has only water and
>electricity in the form of voltage as inputs.
Yes, you're right. It's a viable system for generating electricity
for powering electric vehicles. This distinguishes it from Meyer's
Water Fuel Cell, which relies on gullibility.
>Do you think that we can make
>enough (methanol? Is theirs a Meth. reformer?) to replace all the oil, coal,
>and natural gas being used to generate power in this world before we are all
>fried from global warming? When do you think you will see one of these for
>less than $10,000...$15,000?...affordable?...HA!
Probably a bit sooner than *any* of us expect. This on-board
reformer, fuel cell, electric vehicle stuff is a hot topic these days.
>>Finally, if it works and breaks the known laws of nature,
>I keep telling you that Stan always said it is not violating any laws of
>physics...wake up!!
No, he just claimed to run a car on nothing but water. Nope, no
violation of physics there. ROTFL!
>>you think it needs
>>a
>>driving force and inventor to make it go?
>I knew Stan and he has the tenacity of a Southern Baptist preacher and the
>strength of his convictions.
And his followers put blind faith in him just as the Hale-Bopp,
Jonestown, and Waco whackos put faith in their leaders. JW, if Stan
had asked you to get castrated, would you have done so?
>He believed he was fulfilling prophecy by
>bringing this technolgy to the world to "end all war over scarce energy and
>natural resources."
Yup, add a tinge of religion and you'll find even more people willing
to give you money for a pipe dream. Sad.
>My contention is that this may be a serious setback.
For the sake of all of Meyer's potential victims, let's hope so. But,
sadly, there with be another charlatan along soon to take his place.
>I am
>sure there are ones that he trusts and trained to step in but he traveled the
>world alone on his own negotiating the systematic assimilation of his
>technology into the worlds equation.
My heart goes out to the friends and family of Stanley Meyer. But
let's face it, he was a fraud who ripped off many people of huge sums
of money. The world will be a better place without without him.
> Some one with $50 million wants to
>>invest
>>and presumably any intelligent person can build one in their garage but you
>>figure
>>the guys with the money and a machine that makes energy for nothing are going
>>to
>>give up because meyers is dead, even though this device will make them
>>infinitely
>>rich. About that bridge.
>>
>>Dave
>Even if you duplicate the process you still have to engineer the retrofit of an
>existing device.
What? Aren't people already running vehicles on hydrogen? Aren't
people already generating hydrogen from water and electricity? Aren't
people already generating electricity using alternators spun by IC
engines? What's to retrofit to make a working water-powered car?
>I have recieved correspondence from some who say hey have
>duped a Meyer type circuit.
It's not the circuit that's being duped.
>They claim that it is detectable as scaler waves
>by the GPS satellite system and that they and their families were visited and
>given threats if they continued to be "intelligent" in their garages. Stan had
>always said they had him on the GPS but never said he had an implant or
>anything. Maybe this is what he was talking about.
Wow JW. I used to think you're just gullible. Now I see you're
downright wacked out.
>As for the pulling of the financing, it remains to be seen, but many executory
>contracts can become void or his "living on" could have been a contingency.
>Death can make many contacts voidable.
You don't seem to concerned with reality. Why not take a stroll
through alt.paranormal? I'm sure somebody over there could help you
contact Meyer.
>I do doubt if his cronies will allow his work to die with him. The question is
>who actually owns the patents. If there is a Last Will and Testament it may be
>contested by who knows what kind of greedy relative or whatever that can tie up
>his estate in probate. As a WFC dealer, you can be sure I will be
>investigating all of these aspects.
Actually, I'd recommend looking into whether you can recover from his
estate the money he ripped off from you, before the lawyers burn it
all up.
>You cannot even begin to consider the implications beyond this making someone
>"infinitly rich" until you really believe that it works. When you do you will
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Faith healing may make the terminally-ill cancer patient feel better
about himself, but he's going to die just the same. Probably earlier
if he eschews *real* treatment in lieu of the faith healing.
>understand some of the impediments due to dealing with the people that already
Sorry to disappoint you JW, but you don't get our support. You do get our
sympathy, however, for losing a friend. You get our pity for being gullible
enough to be taken to the cleaners by Meyer. And you get our scorn for what
appears to be your willingness to perpetuate his fraud.
H2OPWRD
In article <6fp66c$c...@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, feie...@widget.ecn.purdue.edu
(John M Feiereisen) writes:
>Subject: Re: Death of Water Fuel Cell Pioneer Stanley A. Meyer
>From: feie...@widget.ecn.purdue.edu (John M Feiereisen)
>Date: 30 Mar 1998 22:26:20 GMT
>
>[sci.skeptic and sci.energy added. Stan Meyer was the inventor of the
>'Water Fuel Cell', supposedly able to decompose water into hydrogen
>and oxygen with >100% thermal efficiency. He scammed a lot of people
>out of 'investments' of huge sums of money. A couple of his victims
>got wise to him a couple years ago and took him to court, where he was
>found guilty of "gross and egregious fraud" and ordered to repay them
>their money.
Anyone can read Stan's side of the story. It was posted long ago including the
thing about the $1.00 fine for the "gross egregious fraud"...sheeesh.
Meyer died recently, and thus fortunately will no longer
>be able to victimize other hapless 'investors'. One of his victims,
>h2o...@aol.com (JW), has been hanging around sci.energy.hydrogen,
>letting us know how little we know about thermodynamics.
I never said you didn't know about thermo. I said I didn't believe it was
COMPLETE.
You have no idea who invested in his work and what they were really shown
before they supported him. I met some very prestigious and successful business
people on my visits to his lab. Do you think they wouId give him very much
money without another opinion? He raised millions. I keep telling you that
anyone that visited his lab was under non-disclosure. If he showed or let
anyone measure his process it was not for public disclosure. It's called
private business information. He did however allow it to be measured by
experts as reviewed in the Wireless World article where the inputs where
measured to be milliamps. The article was posted in the group. Anyone can do a
search and read it.
>
>You sci.skeptic regulars seem to like to kick around brain deadders
>like Earl Curley, Ed Wollmann, Ed Conrad, and such, so I figured you
>might like to meet JW.]
Don't know them.
Never heard of him, but you seem to know him.
You joking.
>fuel-cell vehicles are on the horizon.
That's what he said?
You on the other hand, are
>ranting and raving like a lunatic.
Ranting AND raving......phtfphtfphtf. More ad hominum.
I never said fuel-cell vehicles by Ballard would not happen. Stan's is a fuel
cell too. You put fuel and a catalyst in you get energy and by products out.
His just doesn't wear out so fast and uses electricity as a catalyst and
recycleable clean burning water as fuel. I know your gonna eat that up. Flame
away.
>
>>Ballard's system is not a process that is universal and has only water and
>>electricity in the form of voltage as inputs.
>
>Yes, you're right. It's a viable system for generating electricity
>for powering electric vehicles. This distinguishes it from Meyer's
>Water Fuel Cell, which relies on gullibility.
Have you ever seen, done or had NON-electrolytic water decomposition explained
to you?
There is a circuit you can try to copy at
http://www.iinet.com.au/~steveb/danforth/dan1.html
>
>>Do you think that we can make
>>enough (methanol? Is theirs a Meth. reformer?) to replace all the oil, coal,
>>and natural gas being used to generate power in this world before we are all
>>fried from global warming? When do you think you will see one of these for
>>less than $10,000...$15,000?...affordable?...HA!
>
>Probably a bit sooner than *any* of us expect. This on-board
>reformer, fuel cell, electric vehicle stuff is a hot topic these days.
Hot topic..very good answer. John they've been a hot topic for about 20
years....sheesh. What about the global warming..twenty, thirty, forty years
before all the cars, homes, oil refineries are running on Ballard fuel cells??
I have a friend who is designing and supplying controls for Ballard. I know
quite well what they are doing and what it will take. What about all the
bleedin methanol.
>
>>>Finally, if it works and breaks the known laws of nature,
>
>>I keep telling you that Stan always said it is not violating any laws of
>>physics...wake up!!
>
>No, he just claimed to run a car on nothing but water. Nope, no
>violation of physics there. ROTFL!
You put water, electricity and ambient air in, you get power, heat, and water
out.
>
>>>you think it needs
>>>a
>>>driving force and inventor to make it go?
>
>>I knew Stan and he has the tenacity of a Southern Baptist preacher and the
>>strength of his convictions.
>
>And his followers put blind faith in him just as the Hale-Bopp,
>Jonestown, and Waco whackos put faith in their leaders. JW, if Stan
>had asked you to get castrated, would you have done so?
You are a fool.
"Waco, Rules of Engagement" was nominated for an Oscar for documentary films.
You should watch it and get a reality check.
I think you have me confused with someone who gives a crap about religion or
Christianity. I am neither. I am interested in truth.
>
>>He believed he was fulfilling prophecy by
>>bringing this technolgy to the world to "end all war over scarce energy and
>>natural resources."
It was a strong belief. The connection to the Bible came AFTER he discovered
his process. It tells nothing about the validity of his work. Just that he
believed that he could bring it to the world. He probably thought he would do
it in life. Now guys like me will carry the ball I guess. I know we will get
little more than derisiveness from you which will only stifle real
experimenters from trying to replicate Stan's process.
>
>Yup, add a tinge of religion and you'll find even more people willing
>to give you money for a pipe dream. Sad.
I didn't ad religion. It was about Stan's belief his father was a Minster and
he had a Christian upbringing like many honest people did. You never met the
man. You have no idea what you are saying.
>
>>My contention is that this may be a serious setback.
>
>For the sake of all of Meyer's potential victims, let's hope so. But,
>sadly, there with be another charlatan along soon to take his place.
Somebody you know no doubt.
>
>>I am
>>sure there are ones that he trusts and trained to step in but he traveled
>the
>>world alone on his own negotiating the systematic assimilation of his
>>technology into the worlds equation.
>
>My heart goes out to the friends and family of Stanley Meyer. But
>let's face it, he was a fraud who ripped off many people of huge sums
>of money. The world will be a better place without without him.
That is your defamatory unexperienced opinion of someone you never met nore
could hold a candle to.
>
>> Some one with $50 million wants to
>>>invest
>>>and presumably any intelligent person can build one in their garage but you
>>>figure
>>>the guys with the money and a machine that makes energy for nothing are
>going
>>>to
>>>give up because meyers is dead, even though this device will make them
>>>infinitely
>>>rich. About that bridge.
>>>
>>>Dave
>
>>Even if you duplicate the process you still have to engineer the retrofit of
>an
>>existing device.
>
>What? Aren't people already running vehicles on hydrogen? Aren't
>people already generating hydrogen from water and electricity? Aren't
>people already generating electricity using alternators spun by IC
>engines? What's to retrofit to make a working water-powered car?
Replace the entire fuel system, including tank assembly, delivery system,
non-combustable gas recycler, computerized fuel management system, and the
injectors. Ok youv'e got two years to do it to your new car. Let me know when
you finish.
>
>>I have recieved correspondence from some who say hey have
>>duped a Meyer type circuit.
>
>It's not the circuit that's being duped.
Ok. Replicated...sheesh.
>
>>They claim that it is detectable as scaler waves
>>by the GPS satellite system and that they and their families were visited
>and
>>given threats if they continued to be "intelligent" in their garages. Stan
>had
>>always said they had him on the GPS but never said he had an implant or
>>anything. Maybe this is what he was talking about.
>
>Wow JW. I used to think you're just gullible. Now I see you're
>downright wacked out.
Your opinion. You just don't agree with what I have to say, you don't believe
it or refuse to so you put a label on me...ad hominum...not based on fact. All
I am is a conduit. I am telling you what I know from experience. Do you have
any experience with non-electrolytic decomposition of water?
>
>>As for the pulling of the financing, it remains to be seen, but many
>executory
>>contracts can become void or his "living on" could have been a contingency.
>>Death can make many contacts voidable.
>
>You don't seem to concerned with reality. Why not take a stroll
>through alt.paranormal? I'm sure somebody over there could help you
>contact Meyer.
What's that got to do with a person not being able to perform his contracts if
he's not alive...sheeesh.
>
>>I do doubt if his cronies will allow his work to die with him. The question
>is
>>who actually owns the patents. If there is a Last Will and Testament it may
>be
>>contested by who knows what kind of greedy relative or whatever that can tie
>up
>>his estate in probate. As a WFC dealer, you can be sure I will be
>>investigating all of these aspects.
>
>Actually, I'd recommend looking into whether you can recover from his
>estate the money he ripped off from you, before the lawyers burn it
>all up.
My contract is worth nothing unless there are automotive retrofit units
produced and available for lease and installation. This will take longer than
planned, I'm sure, as it has in the past due to the pitfalls of developing
advanced technology. I have no concern for the financial aspects in my
situation. I supported Stan for bigger reasons than my own gain.
>
>>You cannot even begin to consider the implications beyond this making
>someone
>>"infinitly rich" until you really believe that it works. When you do you
>will
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Faith healing may make the terminally-ill cancer patient feel better
>about himself, but he's going to die just the same. Probably earlier
>if he eschews *real* treatment in lieu of the faith healing.
And your definition of *real* would be? Royal Rife had a *real* treatment for
cancer and see what happened to him and his work. His work was based on
electro magnetic frequencies destroying toxins in the body. See "How Greed
Works" thread on this NG.
That was sarcasm John...this place needs a little levity.
Take your pity and use it to study the effects of high pulsed voltage frequency
under conditions of amp restriction and electrical stress and it's effects on
water separation.
I get your scorn for flying in the face of convention and having the strenth to
persevere.
JW
Harry H Conover
H2OPWRD (h2o...@aol.com) wrote:
: In article <6fou9m$j...@news-central.tiac.net>, con...@tiac.net (Harry H
: Conover) writes:
:
: >H2OPWRD (h2o...@aol.com) wrote:
: >:
: >: Good riddance.
: >
: >Very harsh, JW, very harsh indeed! ...And I had thought
: >that Stan was your friend.
: >
: > Harry C.
:
: Harry your editing is the lowest most defamatory on the net.
:
: Why do you think you can get away with this shit?
Get away with what, JW? All of the posts are still in the
thread, recorded by DejaNews, and available for anyone to verify
the context of your comment. If your post was ambiguous, don't
blame that on me.
:
: Here is what you left out asshole:
:
: <snip other stupid comments regarding mind control implants>
:
: >don't like my behaviour. But it occured to me, we shouldn't be talking about
: >this
: >on a open forum, they might here. Ahhhh the buzzing, they are coming, I have
: >to go.
: >Please keep up the fight...............
: >
: >Giving up
: >Dave
:
: Good riddance.
:
: So..for the record the good riddance was for Dave...duh Harry.
You could have fooled me... Realize that your sloppy and inconsistent
editing above does not clarify that your 'Good riddance' was not in
reference to Stan -- particularly with you having admited being
taken in by the guy.
Come to think of it, there must be a number of really unhappy dupes
out there. If he made some people mad enough to haul him into court,
some may have been angry enough to commit murder. Couple this with
the 'poison' speculation and his investor list could logically be turned
into a suspect list. (Certainly more logical than searching for the
mysterious MIB who, based on his theories and results, had no motive
to do him in.)
Harry C.
H2OPWRD
In article <6fpq5t$f...@news-central.tiac.net>, con...@tiac.net (Harry H
Conover) writes:
>H2OPWRD (h2o...@aol.com) wrote:
>: In article <6fou9m$j...@news-central.tiac.net>, con...@tiac.net (Harry H
>: Conover) writes:
>:
>: >H2OPWRD (h2o...@aol.com) wrote:
>: >:
>: >: Good riddance.
>: >
>: >Very harsh, JW, very harsh indeed! ...And I had thought
>: >that Stan was your friend.
>: >
>: > Harry C.
>:
>: Harry your editing is the lowest most defamatory on the net.
>:
>: Why do you think you can get away with this shit?
>
>Get away with what, JW? All of the posts are still in the
>thread, recorded by DejaNews, and available for anyone to verify
>the context of your comment. If your post was ambiguous, don't
>blame that on me.
>
I agree that I could have been a bit more clear. But your track record of
malicious snips is legendary. It was a conversation between Daveand me. How
could it be understood to be any different without your interference?
>:
>: Here is what you left out asshole:
>:
>: <snip other stupid comments regarding mind control implants>
>:
>: >don't like my behaviour. But it occured to me, we shouldn't be talking
>about
>: >this
>: >on a open forum, they might here. Ahhhh the buzzing, they are coming, I
>have
>: >to go.
>: >Please keep up the fight...............
>: >
>: >Giving up
>: >Dave
>:
>: Good riddance.
>:
>: So..for the record the good riddance was for Dave...duh Harry.
>
>You could have fooled me... Realize that your sloppy and inconsistent
>editing above does not clarify that your 'Good riddance' was not in
>reference to Stan -- particularly with you having admited being
>taken in by the guy.
Time will tell if I have been "taken" or put out of my investment because of
Stan's untimely death by natural or other causes. I have no ill will towards
Stan and his work. I have made this abundantly clear and you know it.
>
>Come to think of it, there must be a number of really unhappy dupes
>out there.
I've been waiting to hear from some of them but not one has contacted me.
>If he made some people mad enough to haul him into court,
The court case was a sham to try to destroy his patents. That has been
explained before.
>some may have been angry enough to commit murder.
I actually don't think he was murdered at this time but an attempt like this
was not unexpected. It may remain a mystery though because there are things
besides poison that can cause a brain aneurysm(sp?).
>Couple this with
>the 'poison' speculation and his investor list could logically be turned
>into a suspect list. (Certainly more logical than searching for the
>mysterious MIB who, based on his theories and results, had no motive
>to do him in.)
>
> Harry C.
This is true depending on what happens to the ownership of his patents and lab
equipment. No investor can get a return of anything because all investments
were unsecured. They would have to prove that he made promises or
misrepresentations as inducements. He is not here to testify. They cannot sue
a dead person.
JW
John M Feiereisen
In article <199803310059...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
H2OPWRD <h2o...@aol.com> wrote:
>In article <6fp66c$c...@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, feie...@widget.ecn.purdue.edu
>(John M Feiereisen) writes:
>>[sci.skeptic and sci.energy added. Stan Meyer was the inventor of the
>>'Water Fuel Cell', supposedly able to decompose water into hydrogen
>>and oxygen with >100% thermal efficiency. He scammed a lot of people
>>out of 'investments' of huge sums of money. A couple of his victims
>>got wise to him a couple years ago and took him to court, where he was
>>found guilty of "gross and egregious fraud" and ordered to repay them
>>their money.
>Anyone can read Stan's side of the story. It was posted long ago including the
>thing about the $1.00 fine for the "gross egregious fraud"...sheeesh.
And anyone can read OJ Simpson's side of the story in his book,
"I Want to Tell You". I'd also guess that OJ wouldn't turn down
offers of money to help him look for 'the real killers'.
But OJ and Stan do differ in one respect. OJ was found 'not guilty'
of murder. Stan was found guilty of gross and egregious fraud.
David wrote:
>>>>Next you believe in Meyers but not in Ballard? Ford, GM and Benz buy in for
>>>>millions (real millions, ones that can be traced) and Benz says they will
>>>>have cars
>>>>cheaper than ICE's in 5 years and you believe Meyers?
>>>Sorry this is unintelligible...you're babbling.
>>Physician, heal thyself. David's statement is perfectly clear:
>You joking.
No, I serious.
>>fuel-cell vehicles are on the horizon.
>
>That's what he said?
That's how I interpreted it.
>I never said fuel-cell vehicles by Ballard would not happen. Stan's is a fuel
>cell too. You put fuel and a catalyst in you get energy and by products out.
>His just doesn't wear out so fast and uses electricity as a catalyst and
>recycleable clean burning water as fuel. I know your gonna eat that up. Flame
>away.
"Uses electricity as a catalyst"!!! ROTFL!!
Hey, JW, why wait until the water-powered car is put on the road? Right now,
I have a *working* *air-powered* car. (And I even commuted in it this morning.)
Yup, that's right, *air-powered*. It takes air in from the surroundings, and
extracts energy using gasoline as a catalyst. Just look around you. With Stan's
water-powered car, you'll still have to fill up occasionally with water. But
my car will never run short on fuel, as air is all around us! You only need to
replenish the catalyst occasionally.
I'm thinking about forming Air Fuel Cell, Inc. If you act right now, you
can invest in a distributorship to help take this technology to the masses.
Email me and we can start talking price...
>>>I keep telling you that Stan always said it is not violating any laws of
>>>physics...wake up!!
>>No, he just claimed to run a car on nothing but water. Nope, no
>>violation of physics there. ROTFL!
>You put water, electricity and ambient air in, you get power, heat, and water
>out.
Yup, you put water and power in, and you get water and power out.
Breakthrough. As soon as you find a way to get more power out than
you put in, you'll let us know, won't you?
>>>My contention is that this may be a serious setback.
>>For the sake of all of Meyer's potential victims, let's hope so. But,
>>sadly, there with be another charlatan along soon to take his place.
>Somebody you know no doubt.
No, but most likely somebody like Dennis Lee or George Wiseman.
Oops. I forgot. Those guys are already running their own scams.
>>My heart goes out to the friends and family of Stanley Meyer. But
>>let's face it, he was a fraud who ripped off many people of huge sums
>>of money. The world will be a better place without without him.
>That is your defamatory unexperienced opinion of someone you never met nore
>could hold a candle to.
Yeah, you're right. I don't have a sufficient level of dishonesty to
be as successful at bilking people as Stan was.
>I get your scorn for flying in the face of convention and having the strenth to
>persevere.
Oh, so you're going to be the one to take over the reins of Stan's scam?
After all, probably the only way you'll ever recoup the money he ripped
off from you will be to rip off others.
H2OPWRD
In article <6fqtka$1...@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, feie...@widget.ecn.purdue.edu
(John M Feiereisen) writes:
>In article <199803310059...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
>H2OPWRD <h2o...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <6fp66c$c...@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, feie...@widget.ecn.purdue.edu
>>(John M Feiereisen) writes:
>
>>>[sci.skeptic and sci.energy added. Stan Meyer was the inventor of the
>>>'Water Fuel Cell', supposedly able to decompose water into hydrogen
>>>and oxygen with >100% thermal efficiency. He scammed a lot of people
>>>out of 'investments' of huge sums of money. A couple of his victims
>>>got wise to him a couple years ago and took him to court, where he was
>>>found guilty of "gross and egregious fraud" and ordered to repay them
>>>their money.
>
>>Anyone can read Stan's side of the story. It was posted long ago including
>the
>>thing about the $1.00 fine for the "gross egregious fraud"...sheeesh.
>
>And anyone can read OJ Simpson's side of the story in his book,
>"I Want to Tell You". I'd also guess that OJ wouldn't turn down
>offers of money to help him look for 'the real killers'.
>
>But OJ and Stan do differ in one respect. OJ was found 'not guilty'
>of murder. Stan was found guilty of gross and egregious fraud.
Let's see OJ was fined how many millions for guilt in civil court for wrongful
death??
And Stan more than two years after this silliness in court was still able to
secure the purchase of the land for his developement/manufacturing center and
about a total of 50 million in funding........sheeesh.
>
>David wrote:
>>>>>Next you believe in Meyers but not in Ballard? Ford, GM and Benz buy in
>for
>>>>>millions (real millions, ones that can be traced) and Benz says they will
>>>>>have cars
>>>>>cheaper than ICE's in 5 years and you believe Meyers?
>
>>>>Sorry this is unintelligible...you're babbling.
>
>>>Physician, heal thyself. David's statement is perfectly clear:
>
>>You joking.
>
>No, I serious.
>
>>>fuel-cell vehicles are on the horizon.
>>
>>That's what he said?
>
>That's how I interpreted it.
>
>>I never said fuel-cell vehicles by Ballard would not happen. Stan's is a
>fuel
>>cell too. You put fuel and a catalyst in you get energy and by products
>out.
>>His just doesn't wear out so fast and uses electricity as a catalyst and
>>recycleable clean burning water as fuel. I know your gonna eat that up.
>Flame
>>away.
>
>"Uses electricity as a catalyst"!!! ROTFL!!
If the electricity is used but not changed is that not a definition of a
catalyst?
>
>Hey, JW, why wait until the water-powered car is put on the road? Right now,
>I have a *working* *air-powered* car. (And I even commuted in it this
>morning.)
>Yup, that's right, *air-powered*. It takes air in from the surroundings, and
>extracts energy using gasoline as a catalyst.
Isn't the gasoline changed?
>Just look around you. With
>Stan's
>water-powered car, you'll still have to fill up occasionally with water. But
>my car will never run short on fuel, as air is all around us! You only need
>to
>replenish the catalyst occasionally.
Isn't the air changed when you burn it?
>
>I'm thinking about forming Air Fuel Cell, Inc. If you act right now, you
>can invest in a distributorship to help take this technology to the masses.
>Email me and we can start talking price...
Spend a few million dollars in patents as Stan did and maybe we will talk.
>
>>>>I keep telling you that Stan always said it is not violating any laws of
>>>>physics...wake up!!
>
>>>No, he just claimed to run a car on nothing but water. Nope, no
>>>violation of physics there. ROTFL!
>
>>You put water, electricity and ambient air in, you get power, heat, and
>water
>>out.
>
>Yup, you put water and power in, and you get water and power out.
>
>Breakthrough. As soon as you find a way to get more power out than
>you put in, you'll let us know, won't you?
It seems that the process involves loading the system with potential power that
is later released.
>
>>>>My contention is that this may be a serious setback.
>
>>>For the sake of all of Meyer's potential victims, let's hope so. But,
>>>sadly, there with be another charlatan along soon to take his place.
>
>>Somebody you know no doubt.
>
>No, but most likely somebody like Dennis Lee or George Wiseman.
>
>Oops. I forgot. Those guys are already running their own scams.
Have you ANY experience with their work either?
>
>>>My heart goes out to the friends and family of Stanley Meyer. But
>>>let's face it, he was a fraud who ripped off many people of huge sums
>>>of money. The world will be a better place without without him.
>
>>That is your defamatory unexperienced opinion of someone you never met nore
>>could hold a candle to.
>
>Yeah, you're right. I don't have a sufficient level of dishonesty to
>be as successful at bilking people as Stan was.
Where the hell are all these people John. Why didn't they all sue him after
this supposed fraud. It set precedent, should be no problem to win the case.
Where the hell are they John?? Stan raised millions.
>
>>I get your scorn for flying in the face of convention and having the strenth
>to
>>persevere.
>
>Oh, so you're going to be the one to take over the reins of Stan's scam?
>After all, probably the only way you'll ever recoup the money he ripped
>off from you will be to rip off others.
>
>
Not interested in the money John. I said it before. I'm interested in clean,
renewable, non-fossil fuels.
JW
John M. Feiereisen
In <199803311752...@ladder03.news.aol.com>, h2o...@aol.com
(H2OPWRD) wrote:
>In article <6fqtka$1...@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, feie...@widget.ecn.purdue.edu
>(John M Feiereisen) writes:
>>In article <199803310059...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
>>H2OPWRD <h2o...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>I never said fuel-cell vehicles by Ballard would not happen. Stan's is a fuel
>>>cell too. You put fuel and a catalyst in you get energy and by products out.
>>>His just doesn't wear out so fast and uses electricity as a catalyst and
>>>recycleable clean burning water as fuel. I know your gonna eat that up.
>>"Uses electricity as a catalyst"!!! ROTFL!!
>If the electricity is used but not changed is that not a definition of a
>catalyst?
Wow. You've left me speechless with that one JW.
--
John
Avital Pilpel
John M Feiereisen wrote:
> You sci.skeptic regulars seem to like to kick around brain deadders
> like Earl Curley, Ed Wollmann, Ed Conrad, and such, so I figured you
> might like to meet JW.
HEY! WATCH IT!
Don't you know you are DEFAMING and LIBELLING Wollman and Curley this way, using
their name without their permission and thus you are also guilty of COPYRIGHT
VIOLATION, not to mention other grave offenses?
Their POWERFUL CORPORATE LAWYERS are already after us cynics and libelers in
sci.skeptic. We are all trembling in fear of the not-far-off day (considering how
long we waited, it MUST be in the mail as we speak) when they will SUE us all and
throw us in jail! Just Like Curley will do to Randi!
I mean, they are serious THIS time! only recently, Curley said that he will "enjoy
this" when it will soon happen, and Wollman claimed that (without threatening us) he
has retained my and other people posts for "legal purposes" and will sue WHEN HE IS
GOOD AND READY! He will not be tempted by us spinics to sue prematurely!
We don't need you to ADD to our already serious legal trouble!
;-)
H2OPWRD
In article <6frvfh$e...@newshost1.res.utc.com>, feie...@nospam.utrc.utc.com
(John M. Feiereisen) writes:
Catalysis [Gk. to dissolve] 1: a modification and esp. increase in the rate of
a chemical reaction induced by material unchanged chemically at the end of the
reaction. 2: an action or reaction between two or more persons or forces
precipitated by a separate agent and esp. by one that is esentially unaltered
by the reaction.
Catalyst 1: an agent that induces catalysis 2: a substance (as an enzyme)
that initiates a chemical reaction and enables it to proceed under milder
conditions (as at a lower temperature) than otherwise possible.
Is electricity a substance, enzyme? It's not an enzyme under strict "chemical"
definition. Voltage is a force. A physical force. Does it have to have
substance to create a force. I think it's electro-mechanical. Is the
stainless the catalyst? There was reputable post (sorry I've lost the url or
post..maybe someone remembers?) a while back about how particles were
accelerated, catalyzed?, by just being in between two metal plates. There was
no power to them they were just there. The study/experiment described this
anomaly. The fact was that this physical presence caused something to happen
that could create power and do work. Free energy? What did the metal cost?
JW
DW
electricity is not an enzyme, is not a catalyst. While this is a
strange way to
look at it -- electricity or the electrons are not left unaffected they
change
energy levels. This is like calling fire a catalyst in the conversion
of wood to ash.
> definition. Voltage is a force. A physical force. Does it have to have
Voltage is not a force. This has been pointed out to you before.
> substance to create a force. I think it's electro-mechanical. Is the
> stainless the catalyst? There was reputable post (sorry I've lost the url or
> post..maybe someone remembers?) a while back about how particles were
> accelerated, catalyzed?, by just being in between two metal plates. There was
> no power to them they were just there. The study/experiment described this
> anomaly. The fact was that this physical presence caused something to happen
> that could create power and do work. Free energy? What did the metal cost?
> JW
I waded in here since catalysis is within chemistry. JW, all of these
questions would quickly be resolved if you went to the near by community
college
and took a year of chemistry and physics. You continue to post
statements that
are clearly in error -- those errors are pointed out to you and you are
told
that you need some more education -- go get it, or continue to open your
checkbook.
Sorry,
Donald
.