Hydrino Power
TheNightFly
been going on over at Black Light Power Inc (BLP). The
company, headed by Dr. Randell L. Mills, has been researching
hydrogen energy from a completely new approch funded entirely
by private capital (about $30 millions dollars worth of
private capital). Their research is based on a thousand page theory
devised by Dr. Mills called
"The Grand Unified Theory of Classical Quantum Mechanics".
http://www.blacklightpower.com
Accoring to Dr. Mills' theory, ordinary hydrogen atoms can be
stimulated to fall to fractional ground states and yeild hundreds
of times as much energy than what is required to liberate them
from water. Far more energy than what comes from the combustion
of hydrogen but less than any nuclear reaction. This "Black
Light Process" is based on nonradiative resonant energy transfer
and they call these "shrunken" hydrogen atoms "hydrinos".
This too was dismissed by skeptics as some kind of cold fusion
or overunity cwackery and they've been persistant at blocking
BLP from patenting their technologies for years. However, after
finally aquiring their patents, they have now present a lot of
their research on their website. You can find all kinds of
presentations of the theory, pictures, animations and videos that
demonstrate working prototypes. They also have reports from a list
of independant research organization that have reproduced and
confirmed the process works.
Dan Bloomquist
TheNightFly wrote:
> I wish the news would talk more about the research that has
> been going on over at Black Light Power Inc (BLP)....
Just as well they don't. After all, if there really were some new
physics going on there, the whole scientific community would be a mad
house. I'm sure you will call it a conspiracy that no one is giving BLP
their due. It only means you don't know how the world really works. What
BLP claims is not in the class of UFOs and crop circles. They claim a
repeatable observation in physical science, something that can be done
in the lab. If it were true, all hell would have broken loose. No hell
means it is just another investor scam like all the rest.
Best, Dan.
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Don Lancaster
Curiously, Mills DID end up publishing a number of properly peer
reviewed papers in respectable journals. But, at least to me, they all
seemed like marginal "publish or perish" trivia.
Certainly nothing that challenged fundamental traditional understandings
in any manner.
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Dan Bloomquist
Don Lancaster wrote:
>
> Curiously, Mills DID end up publishing a number of properly peer
> reviewed papers in respectable journals. But, at least to me, they all
> seemed like marginal "publish or perish" trivia.
http://www.blacklightpower.com/pdf/Theory%20Presentation.PPT.110404.pdf
If the Universe is oscillatory, what mechanism do you propose that
reverses entropy? Or is the arrow of time a function of the size of the
Universe? Curious minds want to know...
>
> Certainly nothing that challenged fundamental traditional understandings
> in any manner.
His GUT is a fundamental declaration.
Also:
"The Company's plasma to electric conversion technology with no
reformer, no fuel cost, creation of a valuable chemical by-product
rather than pollutants such as carbon dioxide, and anticipated
significantly lower capital costs and operating and maintenance (O&M)
costs will result in household units that are competitive with central
power and significantly superior to competing microdistributed power
technology such as fuel cells."
http://www.blacklightpower.com/process.shtml
This sounds very challenging indeed.
Bob Eldred
"TheNightFly" <theni...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
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Isn't it just a wee bit curious that they have all kinds of pictures,
animations, video's and reports but don't seem to have an actual, publicly
displayed, working prototype. But, they have a video of one, Uh Huh! Aren't
you just a little be skeptical? Sure seems like this is an obvious scam to
bilk investors, what else could it be? If it were real we'd sure be hearing
about it with about as much publicity as the recent Tsunami!
Bob
TheNightFly
peers.
Having physisists educated in Quantum Mechanics peer review Mills'
Classical Quantum Mechanics theory is like having 18th century
newtonian
physisists peer review Einstien's General Reletivity. I only want to
hear
reviews about CQM from real peers- those who understand it.
After all, CQM was what lead Dr. Mills to invent those devices in the
first
place. So, while all hell hasn't broken loose in the scientific world
due to
ideology, politics and money, none of his major investors have ever had
the cops bust into his place and arrest everyone on charges of fraud.
If
it were merely a scam to bilk investers, I think the trap would have
sprung
by now after some 12 years. There is more to this drama than you might
think.
f.cat...@gmail.com
TheNightFly
corporate investors thought when they were handing
over their tens of millions of dollars. For some reason,
some people seem to believe that wealthy investors
are just a bunch of big suckers. But, I didn't get where
I am today by sticking my money in Enron - lol.
G. R. L. Cowan
>
> Ya, I'm sure that's what all those poor unsuspecting
> corporate investors thought when they were handing
> over their tens of millions of dollars. For some reason,
> some people seem to believe that wealthy investors
> are just a bunch of big suckers.
I think Mills' investors, if they exist,
are more of the small-sucker persuasion.
> But, I didn't get where
> I am today by sticking my money in Enron - lol.
How did the subject change from wealthy investors to you?
-- Graham Cowan
http://www.eagle.ca/~gcowan/Paper_for_11th_CHC.html --
How individual mobility gains nuclear cachet
Dan Bloomquist
TheNightFly wrote:
> Not necessarely. The problem with peer reviews is that Mills' has no
> peers.
...
> place. So, while all hell hasn't broken loose in the scientific world
> due to
> ideology, politics and money...
You simply don't understand. If this new state of matter were observable
it would be big news. No, really really big news! It is virtually
impossible for all of science to ignore something so important.
TheNightFly wrote:
> Ya, I'm sure that's what all those poor unsuspecting
> corporate investors thought when they were handing
> over their tens of millions of dollars...
So, some investors 'believe' in Mills' claims therefor his claims must
be true? Some folks belive the world is flat too.
Paul Studier
>
> You simply don't understand. If this new state of matter were observable
> it would be big news. No, really really big news! It is virtually
> impossible for all of science to ignore something so important.
>
Good point. I am anxiously awaiting hydrino hydride to be sold on Ebay.
If this is more stable than hydrogen, then it should be everywhere.
Paul Studier
When you work, you create. When you win, you just take from the loser.
For an explanation, see http://paulstudier.com/win
TheNightFly
> no, really really big news! It is virtually impossible for all of
> science to ignore something so important.
Not if it was easy to ignore. The whole point that Dr. Mills' is
trying to explain is that we've been observing the effects of their
presence for over a century, we just haven't been paying attention.
We've observed them as dark matter, we've "observed" them as
anomalous ultraviolet spectral emissions in a veriety of plasma, laser
and particle beem tests and we've seen their effects on the corona
of the sun. This "new" state of hydrogen (not all matter) is highly
elusive and resistant to chemical reactions. Some people have also
speculated that it should accumulate in the oceans, our air and
througout the ecosystem. Some have been lead to believe that it
must explain how the mitochodria of the cells of highly energetic
animals like humming birds are able to produce to so much energy.
But the fact is that regular free hydrogen atoms (H-) are more
likely to form into hydrogen molicules (H2) rather than hydrinos
because it requires very special conditions to form hydrinos.
Assuming those conditions are met somehow in nature, hydrinos
would disperse just as fast as regular hydrogen straight out into
space- which probably explains why so much of it is out thier
(e.g. dark matter).
Jerry Cox
<theni...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
Your description of hydrino power, with revolutionary new scientific
principles, championed by a charismatic and brilliant inventor, to
wealthy investors; is reminiscent of the story of another visionary
inventor, John Worrell Keely of the Keely Motor Company. He also
proposed harnessing a form of vibratory energy.
Bill Ward
<theni...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
I found the following FAQ link interesting and fairly
objective, but perhaps outdated (2001). I wonder why the
lack of updates?
http://www.hydrino.org/FAQ.htm
Some of the observations sound quite intriguing, but
the "independent labs" claimed to have replicated them are
not mentioned by name.
Regards,
Bill Ward
Paul Studier
>
> http://www.hydrino.org/FAQ.htm
>
> Some of the observations sound quite intriguing, but
> the "independent labs" claimed to have replicated them are
> not mentioned by name.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill Ward
Thanks for the reference. It is enough to debunk the concept. A couple
of whoppers:
"The cosmic background radiation appears to contain hydrino spectral
lines. This involves the reinterpretation of data where spectral lines
that have been assigned to ions at extreme temperatures are instead
assigned to hydrinos. The reasoning is that ions at high temperatures
should be associated with large celestial objects necessary heat
them--objects that should emit radiation at all wavelengths--but these
are by definition not a part of the background radiation and therefore
are not observed. There is no plausible explanation for creating such
highly ionized particles in the coldness of interstellar space. The
data fit the hydrino spectrum quite nicely."
Total nonsense. The background radiation is perfect black body
radiation with no spectral lines, red shifted to 2.7 degree K.
"Past about n=1/100 or so, the electron is very likely to be captured by
the nucleus, forming an energy-poor type of neutron that decays. So the
answer is, electron capture can occur, but there the hydrino has to be
continually catalyzed to get it to such a low energy level that electron
capture is likely. The lone hydrino is stable and therefore will not
spiral down spontaneously."
The neutron is not energy poor. It has enough energy to decay into a
proton, electron and antineutrino, which obviously has more energy than
a hydrogen atom. Hydrinos would have to gain energy from somewhere to
turn into a neutron. Therefore they should be stable.
Dan Bloomquist
Thanks. Explains where TheNightFly got some of his rhetoric.
# Why aren't we awash in hydrinos and why haven't they been seen before?
# Hydrinos have a number of properties that make them difficult to detect:
1. Free hydrinos diffuse out of containers very easily, as the
largest of the species (n=1/2) is about the size of helium. Further,
hydrinos are auto-catalytic: with the appropriate concentration
maintained they will collapse to n=1/100 or so, at which size they will
diffuse rapidly out of practically any container. Hydrinos can slip
right in between the atoms of solids, including the atoms f container walls.
Yet BPL claims to have accumulated compounds composed of hydrinos. All
they have to do is offer a sample to an independent observer if they
really want to make their point.
2. Being extremely light, they rapidly float up into the atmosphere
and diffuse into space.
Gasses mix. Mean velocity at 300k prevents 'floating'. The author should
do his/her homework.
4. No one has been looking for them.
BPL claims to have a lab full of them. Just a sample for the right
observer and they have made their point.
http://www.blacklightpower.com/battery.shtml
http://www.phact.org/e/blp.htm
RTF, no virus possible.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hydrino/files/Analysis.rtf
( I think you may have to join the group for access. If so, I'll put the
paper on my site.)
> Bill Ward
Don Lancaster
>
> If
> it were merely a scam to bilk investers, I think the trap would have
> sprung
> by now after some 12 years. There is more to this drama than you might
> think.
I'd call it farce rather than drama.
Ovoinics has been bilking investors for four decades and nobody has
caught on yet.
Their trap never springs.
Don Lancaster
Don Lancaster
... done by hiding air pipes in the legs of the demo tables.
TheNightFly
you all seem to be assuming about me. First of all, the only
things I know for sure are what I can see. Second,
EVERYTHING ELSE I take with some degree of faith but,
NEVER blind faith. I just wanted to make that clear since this
thread appears to have turned into some sort of competition
over my faith.
I'm not some free energy hippy with joint. I admit I do not
understand any of the math in Dr. Mills' theory and I've never
"seen" a hydrino (or any atoms for that matter). But what I
do see is nobody comming out and say "hay his math is pure
garbage- it doesn't even make sense". No, instead I hear
critizisms about how the little details deviate from convention.
That tells me his math is at least real even if it hurts some
peoples heads to think about it. I also see that Mills' lab isn't
the only lab to confirm anomalous heat in orders of magnatude
above input. I've been to his lab, I've seen his bench top proto-
types and I've felt their heat. That is the only fact I realy care
about. Regardless if his theory is true or not, if the machines
work, that alone takes us to the bank.
If not, oh well. It wouldn't be the first time I burned some money.
And, theres always lawyers!
G. R. L. Cowan
The heat of those benchtop prototypes probably was due
to burning lawyers, or money.
Don Lancaster
You are MANY, MANY years too late.
The Mills "Shit or get off the pot" criticality occured about six years
ago.
He now seems to be four or five time constants into the zero credibility
region.
Dan Bloomquist
TheNightFly wrote:
> But what I
> do see is nobody comming out and say "hay his math is pure
> garbage- it doesn't even make sense"...
On the contrary, Read the RTF I offered.
Don Lancaster
Even if the math did make sense, there is still the issue of it not in
any manner representing how the real world operates.