PAL PROGRAMMERS (read!)
Karol W Gieszczykiewicz
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Greetings. It seems that the PAL-programmer thread has died. I
don't like that one bit. Why? Because nothing got accomplished.
Anyone know of a cheap PAL-burner? Anyone know of free/cheap
software to drive it? Anyone know of free/cheap software to
minimize the equations? We ALL know that there is NO software
that will drive ALL types of PALs. We ALL know that not all
makers of PALs make this info avaliable. We ALL know that
there will be no simple solution.
FINE.
I want to know of a SPECIFIC programmer to program a SPECIFIC
PAL that is driven by BRAINDEAD software and that all the above
can be afforded by a college student! (ie. $0-$300 :-)
There. I hope that's specific.
WHAT I HAVE:
o Flowchart of PALASM.
o FORTRAN IV (G) source of PALASM for series 20 and 24 of Mono-
lithic Memories. By: John Birkmer and Vincent Coli.
Series 20 - 1,662 lines | Series 24 - 1,527 lines (text)
(Source: Mational databook @ 1983)
o PLA compiler in FORTH (text form). "Modified version of the
paper by the same name which appeared in the 1982 FORML
Conference proceedings, pages 257-265, 6-8 October 1982.
Avaliable from the FORTH Interest Group, P.O. Box 1105,
San Carlos, CA 94070..." (3 pages of program)
o Blurb for "CUPL(tm) - The Universal Compiler for Programmable
Logic" Features:
- CUPL supports products from every manufacturer.
- CUPL has a PALASM to CUPL translator
- CUPL produces JEDEC output files.
Anyone hear of the above? How much? How good? Exists?
o Video Frame Grabber (composite in - > digital out) using
3 PALs (64R32, 16R8, and 20RA10) + Pascal source.
Please post replies - others want to know!
Take care.
Joke: I have an "elderly" (1985'ish) PAL handbook from some
company which has, as an application, a shematic for a simple
PAL burner. The application, naturaly, uses PALs. Catch 22.
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Clarence Wilkerson
and software from eSOFT, a distributor for projects from the C'T
computer magazine. It's a GAL programmer. The board and software
was about 160 marks which is approximately $100. I have not collected
the other parts yet. One possible disadvantage is that the software
only programs a couple of types, including the 16V8 , if I remember
correctly.
Clarence Wilkerson
Andy Warner
In article <185...@unix.cis.pitt.edu>, kw...@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Karol W Gieszczykiewicz) writes:
> [plea from the heart deleted]
JDR Microsystems sells a PAL/GAL blower for somewhere around the $300 mark.
It uses a PC card (that can also be used to interface to an EPROM blower
and other similar things). I've got the EPROM blower and software, and I'm
considering buying the PAL/GAL blower, since I like the EPROM part.
It takes JEDEC files as input, I believe. I was going to use PLAN II from
Nat Semi to produce the file (I think it's free if you ask them for it).
It doesn't minimise the terms, but it does produce JEDEC files.
Hope this helps (even though my grammer is dreadful.)
--
andyw. (W0/G1XRL)
an...@aspen.cray.com Andy Warner, Cray Research, Inc. (612) 683-5835
Steven Murray
> I want to know of a SPECIFIC programmer to program a SPECIFIC
> PAL that is driven by BRAINDEAD software and that all the above
> can be afforded by a college student! (ie. $0-$300 :-)
If someone were in the business of making a cheap 'PAL' type programmer,
I would suggest designing something that handled (just) 'GALs' - the
EEPROM generic PALs. That would be a good compromise, especially as
the builder of a cheap programmer is probably doing cheap development,
and would appreciate the chance to reuse devices (which is possible
with GALs, but not PALs). GALs emulate most PALs.
Regards
Steven Murray
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>
> In article <185...@unix.cis.pitt.edu>, kw...@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Karol W Gieszczykiewicz) writes:
>> [plea from the heart deleted]
>
> JDR Microsystems sells a PAL/GAL blower for somewhere around the $300 mark.
> It uses a PC card (that can also be used to interface to an EPROM blower
> and other similar things). I've got the EPROM blower and software, and I'm
> considering buying the PAL/GAL blower, since I like the EPROM part.
>
> It takes JEDEC files as input, I believe. I was going to use PLAN II from
> Nat Semi to produce the file (I think it's free if you ask them for it).
> It doesn't minimise the terms, but it does produce JEDEC files.
>
I called National early this week, and they sent out their little
demo program "Opal, Jr." for the asking. Guess the name got changed.
It will do a variety (~12) of common PALs and GALs; runs on IBM PCs.
The program you use is called EQN2JED; it takes logic equations and
writes JEDEC files.
I'm a little suspicious of their 20L10 entry, though. The log file shows
one pin as being an `enable' while the data sheets for the 20L10 show it
as a normal input.
--Chuck Lane la...@duphy4.drexel.edu
Steven Murray
In fact if you can program the GAL16V8 and the GAL20V8 you have
covered an awful lot of the available PALs (emulation-wise) -
this programmer sounds like a good deal.
Mike Berger
> PAL that is driven by BRAINDEAD software and that all the above
> can be afforded by a college student! (ie. $0-$300 :-)
> There. I hope that's specific.
> WHAT I HAVE:
> o Flowchart of PALASM.
> o FORTRAN IV (G) source of PALASM for series 20 and 24 of Mono-
> lithic Memories. By: John Birkmer and Vincent Coli.
> Series 20 - 1,662 lines | Series 24 - 1,527 lines (text)
> (Source: Mational databook @ 1983)
*----
At one time, Monolithic Memories was very nice about giving out copies
of PALASM. Even when they started charging for it, they were willing
to send out a copy for duplication and return. They might still be
cooperative about it.
Have you checked out the JDR programmers? They have a PAL programmer
that isn't all that expensive. I don't know if it can be driven by
PALASM.
--
Mike Berger
Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
AT&TNET 217-244-6067
Internet ber...@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
Mark Zenier
>
> (Please read the whole post before replying/flaming. Thank you.)
>
> Greetings. It seems that the PAL-programmer thread has died. I
> don't like that one bit. Why? Because nothing got accomplished.
> I want to know of a SPECIFIC programmer to program a SPECIFIC
> PAL that is driven by BRAINDEAD software and that all the above
> can be afforded by a college student! (ie. $0-$300 :-)
Here's my PLD resources list (again).
Resources.
Cypress Semiconductor "Bicmos/Cmos Data Book", 1990
(The only CMOS PLD algorithms I've been able to dig up)
Electronics & Wireless World, February 1989, "EPLD programmer design"
(A programmer for some Cypress parts)
Popular Electronics, January 1990, "Create Your Own IC's"
(A keyboard driven PEEL (ICT/Gould/...) programmer kit for $99)
"Desiging with Programmable Array Logic", Monolithic Memories ,
McGraw-Hill 1981 (The MMI/National/TI(?) bipolar part programming algorithms)
Byte, January 1987 - Special Issue on Programmable Hardware.
(A bipolar progammer project and discussion of parts)
Texas Instruments, "The TTL Data Book, Volume 4", 1985
(Bipolar programming algorithms)
Advanced Micro Devices, "Programmable Array Logic", 1983
(Amd's bipolar algorithms, which are different from MMI's.
This is confusing because AMD bought/merged with MMI since then.
Judging from the Maximum voltage rating given in the current AMD
PAL Devices Databook, these algorithms may be obselete.)
Mark Zenier ma...@ssc.uucp mze...@polari.uucp
(PAL is a registered trademark of Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.)