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Elaine Chapin

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Jul 20, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/20/95
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Resistor Color Code Mnemonics

Does anyone know any good Resistor Color Code Mnemonics?
We would sort of like to replace our current not very politically
correct phrase.
-Elaine Chapin
http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~ec10576/ e-ch...@uiuc.edu

Harry H Conover

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Steve McKinty - SunSoft ICNC Grenoble (smck...@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM) wrote:
: In article <3ulrop$g...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, ec1...@glhpx7.cen.uiuc.edu (Elaine Chapin) writes:
: > Resistor Color Code Mnemonics

: >
: > Does anyone know any good Resistor Color Code Mnemonics?
: > We would sort of like to replace our current not very politically
: > correct phrase.

: The traditional British one is "Richard Of York Gave Battle In Vain".
: It skips a couple at the ends, but avoids the B..... Boys, and the
: maidens...


: Steve

The classic American version is a bit ribald...

Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly...

It works when more PC mnemonics are long forgotten, plus, is mild when
compared to the memory crutches used in most medical schools and
hospitals!

Harry C.

p.s. Being slightly offensive or off-the-wall seems to be a vital
characteristic of any good mnemonic or memory crutch (they teach you
this in some of the memory method courses). Perhaps someone with a
knowledge of psychology could will comment on why this is so (or,
for that matter, no so).

Steve McKinty - SunSoft ICNC Grenoble

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In article <3ulrop$g...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, ec1...@glhpx7.cen.uiuc.edu (Elaine Chapin) writes:
> Resistor Color Code Mnemonics
>
> Does anyone know any good Resistor Color Code Mnemonics?
> We would sort of like to replace our current not very politically
> correct phrase.

The traditional British one is "Richard Of York Gave Battle In Vain".
It skips a couple at the ends, but avoids the B..... Boys, and the
maidens...


Steve

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robert a. moeser

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Jul 20, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/20/95
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(Elaine Chapin) wrote:

> Resistor Color Code Mnemonics
>
> Does anyone know any good Resistor Color Code Mnemonics?
> We would sort of like to replace our current not very politically
> correct phrase.

air force techs learn

Biloxi booze rots our young guts but vodka goes well!

-- rob

Richard Steven Walz

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Jul 21, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/21/95
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In article <3ulrop$g...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>,

Elaine Chapin <ec1...@glhpx7.cen.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>Resistor Color Code Mnemonics
>
>Does anyone know any good Resistor Color Code Mnemonics?
>We would sort of like to replace our current not very politically
>correct phrase.
-------------------------------------
Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly!
Now this IS politically correct, reciting, as it does the evil that
men visit upon wimminkind and that they are immature boys and are well
known to be evil, thus "Bad"! Also, it speaks of the liberated woman
who seizes the opportunities SHE selects, as her color is that of
solidarity with wimmin everywhere, and it is her name in this
mnemonic, Violet, and it indicates that she is both a giving and a
sexually liberated person who willingly gives of herself, the genuine
paragon of liberal virtue!!! ;->
-Steve Walz rst...@armory.com


Pete

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Jul 21, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/21/95
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In <3ulrop$g...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> ec1...@glhpx7.cen.uiuc.edu (Elaine

Chapin) writes:
>
>Resistor Color Code Mnemonics
>
>Does anyone know any good Resistor Color Code Mnemonics?
>We would sort of like to replace our current not very politically
>correct phrase.
> -Elaine Chapin
>http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~ec10576/ e-ch...@uiuc.edu

Well I guess the one I always used isn't exactly PC but how about...
Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly?
(Or is that the one you are trying to get away from?)
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Peter Morton

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Jul 21, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/21/95
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hi,
I used to use a crude mnemonic until shown a word association method.
The advantage of this is you don't have to work serially through to
get the number. Some of the ones given were a bit duff, which is
why I can't remember them, but the rest still stick. Perhaps
others can modify / add to the list :-

0) a BLACK hole - simple enough, an 0 is a black circle
1) a BROWN turd is in the shape of a ONE
2) TWO RED lips
3) -
4)-
5) gardeners have FIVE GREEN fingers
6) SIX legs on a BLUE arsed fly
7) the magnificent SEVEN were VIOLET men - this one is so bad you
will never forget it :-)
8) -
9)-

An example of one of the duff ones given was NINE lives of an old
WHITE cat. This would only work for me if all cats were white.

regards,

Pete, Ryton, Tyne & Wear, UK


Chris Yardley

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Jul 21, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/21/95
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In article <DC1xC...@news.cis.umn.edu>,

Daniel W. McGrath <mcgr...@gold.tc.umn.edu> wrote:
>In article <3ulrop$g...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, ec1...@glhpx7.cen.uiuc.edu
>says...

>>
>>Resistor Color Code Mnemonics
>>
>>Does anyone know any good Resistor Color Code Mnemonics?
>>We would sort of like to replace our current not very politically
>>correct phrase.
>>
>I would think that the point of the Mnemonics is to help you REMEMBER the
>words, and thus, figure out the colors. If you twist the phrase into a
>politically correct one, it could become commonplace, or worse: BORING!
>Then you might as well just try to memorize the colors instead of the
>Mnemonics. Human brains can remember things that are controversial or
>offensive much better that things that are everyday or humdrum.
>
> In fact, think of a REALLY offensive Mnemonic.... I'm sure you will
>remember it better.

Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly.


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John Woods

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mcgr...@gold.tc.umn.edu (Daniel W. McGrath) writes:
>ec1...@glhpx7.cen.uiuc.edu says...

>>
>>Does anyone know any good Resistor Color Code Mnemonics?
>>We would sort of like to replace our current not very politically
>>correct phrase.
>>
>I would think that the point of the Mnemonics is to help you REMEMBER the
>words, and thus, figure out the colors. If you twist the phrase into a
>politically correct one, it could become commonplace, or worse: BORING!

"Blue barbituates really order your geometry, but Vernon gibbers wildly."

No one (except perhaps Vernon :-) need be offended, but just TRY and get
that out of your head now ;-).

Unfortunately I've misplaced the author of that gem.

Claude D. Bilbo

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Jul 21, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/21/95
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ec1...@glhpx7.cen.uiuc.edu says...
>
>Does anyone know any good Resistor Color Code Mnemonics?
>We would sort of like to replace our current not very politically
>correct phrase.
>

I've always liked the following:
'Bad boys rape our young girls, but violet gives willingly.'

I would also like to argue that it is actually politically
correct for the following reasons:

1) All males are bad by today's politically correct standards.

2) Violet Gives Willingly. That makes her a modern liberated woman.

But, somehow, I suspect that this may the offeneding phrase you
want to replace.

Claude


Alan R. Winstanley

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Jul 22, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/22/95
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In article <DC1xC...@news.cis.umn.edu>, "Daniel W. McGrath"
<mcgr...@gold.tc.umn.edu> writes

>In article <3ulrop$g...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, ec1...@glhpx7.cen.uiuc.edu
>says...
>>
>>Resistor Color Code Mnemonics
>>
>>Does anyone know any good Resistor Color Code Mnemonics?
>>We would sort of like to replace our current not very politically
>>correct phrase.
>>
>I would think that the point of the Mnemonics is to help you REMEMBER the
>words, and thus, figure out the colors. If you twist the phrase into a
>politically correct one, it could become commonplace, or worse: BORING!
>Then you might as well just try to memorize the colors instead of the
>Mnemonics. Human brains can remember things that are controversial or
>offensive much better that things that are everyday or humdrum.
>
> In fact, think of a REALLY offensive Mnemonic.... I'm sure you will
>remember it better.
>
>
I fully agree. The more inappropriate, the better. I of all UK
electronics writers/ contributors am in a position to describe what
happens when a politically incorrect "offensive mnemonic" is used for
the resistor colour code. A true story follows:

In 1992 I co-wrote a year-long magazine series (Teach In '93) for school
students studying electronics (basic GCSE school level.) In Part One,
the resistor came up. I sent my pre-publication text proofs to a school
GCSE advisor for his comments. He duly sent them back along with an idea
for a mnemonic, suggesting that this particular one was a "good one", in
common use in British schools. It was the now infamous "Bad Boys Rape
Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly". I was a bit worried about
this, (though since I'm no son of a priest, it didn't bother me
personally), but because an educationalist advised it, I put it into the
manuscript at the last minute. It had the following effect.

A committee member of a local town council in Scotland complained that
one of his constituents [town residents] has read this mnemonic and was
incensed and deeply offended. It was suggested that it was completely
unsuitable for a magazine such as ours since it would find its way into
schools and cause grave offence. The councillor himself was a non-
electronics type and an educational committee member, and was also
extremely offended by the mnemonic. The mnemonic was in very poor taste,
and was this the best I/ we could do?

I/ we had to retract the device and apologise. I had to write seriously
grovelling letters. Meantime, and much more sinister, other members of
the educational establishment, incapable of handling the matter
sensibly, became unhinged and lodged a formal protest against me/ us
with the British Equal Opportunities Commission, a sort of Government
Thought Police to assure work equality amongst the sexes. We got a
seriously snotty letter from the EOC suggesting that we should
reconsider our position. We were condemned for undoing a lot of the work
previously done in education in trying to promote electronics science
amongst females. "My" mnemonic was sexist, politically incorrect and
generally not the done thing, old chap.

Several more educationalists joined the bandwagon saying the mnemonic
was inappropriate under the new modern PC thing. And, being educated, I
should have known better. Meantime, others rallied to our support,
saying that it was all a load of PC crap. They said they had seen much
worse in use, filthy and almost always created by the students
themselves. Other teachers supported us, too, saying that they, not
being committee members but at the sharp end of education, weren't at
all bothered and the students being less than angelic had dreamed up
much worse memory aids. Others too, supported us 100%, thinking it was
all highly amusing. It is probably true that the complainants made
complete fools of themselves in the eyes of everyone else "in the know".
But no-one ever had the guts to say what they really meant, for fear of
the consequences.

I *did* want to say that if the educationalists were so uptight, then
they should start their clean-up campaign by looking at the UK daily
press (the traditional tabloid page 3 topless girl for example) which
circulates multi-millions every day throughout the country. We only do
about 25k per month, to a specialist audience!! But I bottled out [lost
my nerve] and I doubt I would ever have got it through Editorial anyway!

We then had to hold a competition to encourage "clean versions". The
winner was "Big Bears Roar, Orang-Utans Yell, Gorillas Bellow, Vixens
Growl Well." This was used by my now concerned (understandably)
Publishers in my electronics tutorial book "Teach In No. 7"

So, you may laugh when you see that a fairly innocuous mnemonic should
indeed cause such grave offence, but in general terms there are many
sinister ways in which "PC loonies" can damage the free printed press by
the most underhand and agitative of ways that most smaller independent
publications really do have to thing hard about what they print. God
knows what they would think of the Giant Integrated Circuit Masturbator!
It would never have made it into print!! I can't even refer to it in my
printed articles!! And I want to!! I have given up, being
comprehensively outgunned by the Establishment.

Personally,

+alan-
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John Wilkerson

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pw...@ix.netcom.com (Pete) writes:

>In <3ulrop$g...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> ec1...@glhpx7.cen.uiuc.edu (Elaine
>Chapin) writes:
>>

>>Resistor Color Code Mnemonics
>>
>>Does anyone know any good Resistor Color Code Mnemonics?
>>We would sort of like to replace our current not very politically
>>correct phrase.

> Well I guess the one I always used isn't exactly PC but how about...
>Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly?
>(Or is that the one you are trying to get away from?)

Oh well.... everyone knows political correctness is only for mindless
sheep.


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bob wakelin

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Jul 22, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/22/95
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>>Does anyone know any good Resistor Color Code Mnemonics?
>Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly!

Well...

Theres the ever popular:

Bad Booze Rots Our Young Guts But Vodka Goes Well

Michael Covington

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Jul 23, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/23/95
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I like the one about
"the Magnificent Seven were viole(n)t men"
etc. because it is random access --
it associates numbers with colors without having to step through a
sequence. But only an incomplete version of it was posted.
Can someone post or invent the rest?

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Kevin Duffy

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Jul 23, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/23/95
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Bad boys reap our young girls ...

Harry H Conover

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Jul 24, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/24/95
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Alan, it's definitely time for a reality check there in the Mother
Country!

Alan R. Winstanley (al...@epemag.demon.co.uk) wrote:

: A committee member of a local town council in Scotland complained that

: one of his constituents [town residents] has read this mnemonic and was
: incensed and deeply offended. It was suggested that it was completely
: unsuitable for a magazine such as ours since it would find its way into
: schools and cause grave offence. The councillor himself was a non-
: electronics type and an educational committee member, and was also
: extremely offended by the mnemonic.

[snip, snip]

In a way, this is comparable with the silly arguments that the Bible
Belt Creationists in the United States raise to defend the teaching
of "Creationism" on a par with "Evolution" in the backwater education
districts. It's sad when people compromise education to promote their
personal idealogies, and usually at the expense (both educational and
fiscal) of others.

Fortunately, PC is in its death throws here in the U.S. ... still, a
grammar check on my computer indicates that the term "workmanship
inspection" in an electronics equipment specification is too "gender
specific." You know what, it's time to trash WordPerfect and move up
to MS Word!

Getting back to mnemonics -- Among my favorites are:

Timid Virgins make dull Company.
Navigation (backwards) -- Compass, deviations, magnetic, variation, true.

Tully Zucker's bowels move constantly.
Medical -- Facial nerve bramches: Temporal, zygomatic, buccal, mewtal,
cervical.

'Course, for our U.K. friends, there's this form of mnemonic:

Willie, Willie, Harry, Stee.
Harry, Dick, Harry Three.
One, Two, Three Neds, Richard Two.
Harry Four, Five, Six. Then who?
Edward Four, Five, Dick the Bad.
Harrys twain and Ned the Lad.
Mary, Bessie, James the Vain.
Charles, Charles, James again.
William and Mary, Anna Gloria.
Four Georges, William and Victoria.
Edward the Seventh next, and then
George the Fifth in 1910.
Edward the Eighth soon abdicated.
And so a George was reinstated.

Personally, I'll stick to: "Bad boys rape our young girls but Violet
gives willingly."

Harry C.

Amazing non-PC fact: Depletion of the Ozone Layer by CFCs allows
greater penetration of the upper atmosphere by short wavelength UV, which
in turn produces still more ozone. Like much in the green agenda, the
anti-CFC effort is just another, profit maximizing scam! Think not?
Have you priced Freon recently?
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Gerry Belanger

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Jul 24, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/24/95
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The one I learned way back in tech school:

Better Be Right Or Your Great Big Venture Goes West.

And somewhat meaningful also 8-).
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Newtown, CT g.bel...@ieee.org


David Allen

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con...@max.tiac.net (Harry H Conover) wrote:

>Steve McKinty - SunSoft ICNC Grenoble (smck...@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM) wrote:


>: In article <3ulrop$g...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, ec1...@glhpx7.cen.uiuc.edu (Elaine Chapin) writes:
>: > Resistor Color Code Mnemonics

>: >
>: > Does anyone know any good Resistor Color Code Mnemonics?
>: > We would sort of like to replace our current not very politically
>: > correct phrase.

>: The traditional British one is "Richard Of York Gave Battle In Vain".


>: It skips a couple at the ends, but avoids the B..... Boys, and the
>: maidens...


>: Steve


Better Be Right Or Your Great Big Venture Goes West

Colin McGregor

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Jul 24, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/24/95
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Elaine Chapin (ec1...@glhpx7.cen.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: Resistor Color Code Mnemonics

: Does anyone know any good Resistor Color Code Mnemonics?
: We would sort of like to replace our current not very politically
: correct phrase.

The one I learned was:

Better Be Ready Or Your Great Big Venture Goes West

It may be boring, but I think it passes on the political correctness
scale...

Colin McGregor - VE3ZAA

Gordon Wong

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Jul 25, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/25/95
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Black Boys Raped Our Young Girls Behind Very Gray Walls
- from a kid in our 9th grade electronics class ...

Mark Dennehy

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In article c...@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca, gor...@unixg.ubc.ca (Gordon Wong) writes:
> Black Boys Raped Our Young Girls Behind Very Gray Walls
> - from a kid in our 9th grade electronics class ...

That's far too scary ...


Douglas P. McNutt

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Jul 25, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/25/95
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>: Resistor Color Code Mnemonics

Back when I was using 6SN7's the prohibited activity took place

"Behind Victory Garden Walls"

I guess that won't work anymore because nobody remembers victory gardens.

Or even victory for that matter.


-> From the USA. The only socialist country that refuses to admit it. <-

BPerryB

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Jul 25, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/25/95
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In article c...@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca, gor...@unixg.ubc.ca (Gordon Wong) writes:
> Black Boys Raped Our Young Girls Behind Very Gray Walls
> - from a kid in our 9th grade electronics class ...

Originally it was:

"Black Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Goes Wild, Get Some Now!"

Gold = 5%, Silver = 10% No band = 20%


Alan R. Winstanley

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In article <RSKWmQAY...@epemag.demon.co.uk>, "Alan R. Winstanley"
<al...@epemag.demon.co.uk> writes

>
>
>A committee member of a local town council in Scotland complained that
>one of his constituents [town residents] has read this mnemonic and was
>incensed and deeply offended. It was suggested that it was completely
>unsuitable for a magazine such as ours since it would find its way into
>schools and cause grave offence. The councillor himself was a non-
>electronics type and an educational committee member, and was also
>extremely offended by the mnemonic. The mnemonic was in very poor taste,
>and was this the best I/ we could do?
>
>
I forgot to add. I thereafter received the following mail from an
overseas reader who was a little bit irritated at the Bad Boys memory
aid:- yes, it's true:

"I was shocked and appalled to read the blatantly obscene, violent and
sexist mnemonic published in your magazine.

"...I can safely say that the publication of such gratuitously violent
and offensive statements, which demonstrate such a chilling disregard
for and debasement of women, along with the callous and conniving
assumption of acceptance by men, has prompted immediate cancellation of
my subscription. How can anyone even begin to explain such blatant
misogyny to anyone anywhere?

"Frankly I find it hard to believe that in 1992, such horrifically
offensive statements can be compiled, let alone be published by what
seems to be a responsible editorial team. Copies of this letter will be
faxed to all of your advertisers and main high street magazine sellers
in the UK."

The funny thing was, the writer came from Bangladesh.

John Lundgren

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Jul 25, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/25/95
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Elaine Chapin (ec1...@glhpx7.cen.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: Resistor Color Code Mnemonics

: Does anyone know any good Resistor Color Code Mnemonics?
: We would sort of like to replace our current not very politically
: correct phrase.

: -Elaine Chapin
: http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~ec10576/ e-ch...@uiuc.edu

Funny. I never could get used to those sayings. By the time I was old
enough to learn them I already had known the values of the resistors so
that, given a needed value, I could pick one up out of a whole pile of
resistors. Thinking about it, there really is no use for these sayings.
There are only a few color combinations for the first two bands, about 24
for 5 percenters.

10, 11, 12, 13, 15, 16 18, 20, 22, 24, 27, 30, 33, 36,
39, 43, 47, 51, 56, 62, 68, 75, 82, 91

And the third band is just the number of decimal points to move over.

Get some big one or two watt resistors of all the values, and just
practice reading the values. I think that radio shaft still sells
those color code wheel thingies. Get one and after you read a couple
hundred of the resistors with it, you just kind of forget to use it. ;-)
Your mind just associates the colors with the values automatically.

Now if I could only do that with the wire colors on the telephone 66
blocks, I would be all set...

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David A. Moody

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Jul 25, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/25/95
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In article <3v2uqu$c...@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca>, gor...@unixg.ubc.ca (Gordon Wong) writes:
> Black Boys Raped Our Young Girls Behind Very Gray Walls
> - from a kid in our 9th grade electronics class ...
>

I learned it along a similar "scary" manner, but with a little difference.

Black Boys Raped Our Young Girls But Violet Goes Willingly.

That was back in the early 70s, and I have heard it repeated even today.
What I wonder, is there a more PC (actually anything would be better) version
of this?
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Richard Steven Walz

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In article <3uuuqa$l...@sundog.tiac.net>,

Harry H Conover <con...@max.tiac.net> wrote:
>Alan, it's definitely time for a reality check there in the Mother
>Country!
>
>Alan R. Winstanley (al...@epemag.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>
>: A committee member of a local town council in Scotland complained that
>: one of his constituents [town residents] has read this mnemonic and was
>: incensed and deeply offended. It was suggested that it was completely
>: unsuitable for a magazine such as ours since it would find its way into
>: schools and cause grave offence. The councillor himself was a non-
>: electronics type and an educational committee member, and was also
>: extremely offended by the mnemonic.
>
Gee, Harry, and after all the other neat stuff, you had to demonstrate
that you DIDN'T know the Ozone problem was NOT a PC matter at all. As
it happens, Ozone which stops UV can only be produced so that it will
hold a constant population of molecules at a certain range of
altitudes and pressure well above the ground and at the edge of the
stratosphere, about 35,000 to 50,000 feet or so. UV that gets through
because of Chlorine instigated ozone depletion is not trapped lower by
other ozone, as the ozone there rebinds with other ozone too quickly
at that pressure to remain stable. Thus the ozone "problem". Sorry
Harry, but it's real. Read a little more. You show some promise!!
-Steve Walz rst...@armory.com

Kurt Mahan

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"Bad Beer Rots Our Young Guts But Vodka Goes Well, Guzzle Some Now!"

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John Dekker

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>In article c...@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca, gor...@unixg.ubc.ca (Gordon Wong) writes:
>> Black Boys Raped Our Young Girls Behind Very Gray Walls
>> - from a kid in our 9th grade electronics class ...
>
> Originally it was:
>
> "Black Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Goes Wild, Get Some Now!"
>
> Gold = 5%, Silver = 10% No band = 20%
>
How about plain and simple:
Black Brown Red Orange Yellow Green Blue Violet Gray White

Robert S Shandu

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Jul 26, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/26/95
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In article <3v3i4n$h...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, BPerryB <bpe...@aol.com> wrote:
>In article c...@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca, gor...@unixg.ubc.ca (Gordon Wong) writes:
>> Black Boys Raped Our Young Girls Behind Very Gray Walls
>> - from a kid in our 9th grade electronics class ...
>
> Originally it was:
>
> "Black Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Goes Wild, Get Some Now!"
>
> Gold = 5%, Silver = 10% No band = 20%
>

Now let us not get stupid, okay!
S'khumbuzo

Filip M Gieszczykiewicz

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Jul 27, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/27/95
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In Article <3v6461$8...@gold.tc.umn.edu> thus spoke shan...@gold.tc.umn.edu (Robert S Shandu):

>In article <3v3i4n$h...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, BPerryB <bpe...@aol.com> wrote:
>>In article c...@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca, gor...@unixg.ubc.ca (Gordon Wong) writes:
>>> Black Boys Raped Our Young Girls Behind Very Gray Walls
>>
>> "Black Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Goes Wild, Get Some Now!"
>> Gold = 5%, Silver = 10% No band = 20%
>>
>
>Now let us not get stupid, okay!

Greetings. [Ignore, mindless PC follower] Anyways, thanks! I have
been looking for a good one that had the tolerances. THIS ONE I
can definitely remember. Thanks again!

Although I'll probably change it to:

Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Goes Willingly, Get Some Now!

Just so I can share it with others without starting a riot ;-)


BTW, any liberal care to point out to me EXACTLY what is wrong with
that line? It agrees perfectly with what Feminazis have been saying
about men for a decade ;-) [Steve? ;-]

Take care.
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Gareth Evans

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Jul 27, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/27/95
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I originally came across this as,
"Black Bastards Rape Our Young Girls, But Virgins Go Without"

David Bennett

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Jul 27, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/27/95
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ec1...@glhpx7.cen.uiuc.edu (Elaine Chapin) wrote:

>Resistor Color Code Mnemonics

>Does anyone know any good Resistor Color Code Mnemonics?
>We would sort of like to replace our current not very politically
>correct phrase.

How about a nice one - I could never remember the bit about Violet
being willing in the Black Boys........

Black Beatles Running On Your Garden Bring Very Good Weather

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michael silva

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Jul 27, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/27/95
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In <1f2a...@dekker.manawatu.planet.co.nz>
j...@dekker.manawatu.planet.co.nz (John Dekker) writes:

>How about plain and simple:
>Black Brown Red Orange Yellow Green Blue Violet Gray White

Except a good mnemonic really is easier to remember, especially in the
beginning. Remember "righty tighty lefty loosey" when you first
started fooling with nuts and bolts?

Mike


Ron Talley

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Jul 27, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/27/95
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At the AT&T (formerly NCR) engineering facility here, an accepted phrase is
Better Be Right Or Your Great Big Ventures Go Wrong.

One assumes that engineers and technicians are uncommonly bright people.
Perhaps there are those rare ones who never learned to factor in the human
equation and thus care not who they offend. IMHO


Harry H Conover

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Jul 28, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/28/95
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Ron Talley (rta...@mercury.cs.clemson.edu) wrote:
: At the AT&T (formerly NCR) engineering facility here, an accepted phrase is

More likely, the result of 'Really Big Company Righteousness.' This is
where a company makes a really big issue over minor, gratuitous
concessions to public sensitivity while, at the same time, really
'sticking it to' that same public in ways that are not quite so visible.

This is the ancestor of political correctness.

And yes indeed, old 'Ma Bell' and its tribe among the worst offenders.
The only part of the 'human equation' these people care about is its
manipulation! Sheesh! Get real!

Harry C.

michael silva

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Jul 28, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/28/95
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Borrowing very heavily from one of the originals --

Bad Boys Roast Our Young Geese Behind Victory Garden Walls

Goats can be the roastees, if prefered, and Vegetable Gardens may make
more sense to some. Still, I admit the one that always pops into my
mind involves Willing Violet (but I *never* heard Black Boys, always
Bad Boys, until this thread).

Mike


andrew Jenkins

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Jul 28, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/28/95
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No...<laughing>

Coming from the family of a teacher,I learned that most screws and
nuts had right-handed threads, and that some were left-handed.
Simple, to the point, and accurate. The tough part was learning to
identify parts that were likely to have left-handed threading.
My dad didn't believe in mnemonics. He taught us using the
Soocratic method instead...No easy answers... (like righty tighty...
leaves out left-handed threads!)
aj

David M. Palmer

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Jul 28, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/28/95
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Batman Blows Robin On Yonder Gotham Bridge. Very Gooey Work.

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Brian Feeny

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Jul 29, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/29/95
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In article <3v220o$4...@sulla.cyberstore.ca> la...@tvinet.com (Larry Phillips) writes:
>From: la...@tvinet.com (Larry Phillips)
>Subject: Re: Resistor Color Code Mnemonics
>Date: 25 Jul 1995 06:12:40 GMT

>Boiled Bufallo Ribs Or Yak Gizzards Beat Vapid Gazelle Wienies.

>-larry


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Frank Reid

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In Article <signal.14...@prysm.com> "sig...@prysm.com (Brian Feeny)" says:
> In article <3v220o$4...@sulla.cyberstore.ca> la...@tvinet.com (Larry Phillips) writes:
> >From: la...@tvinet.com (Larry Phillips)
> >Subject: Re: Resistor Color Code Mnemonics
> >Date: 25 Jul 1995 06:12:40 GMT
>
> >Boiled Bufallo Ribs Or Yak Gizzards Beat Vapid Gazelle Wienies.
>
> >-larry
>
>
> Better Be Right Or Your Great Big Venture Goes Wrong
>

Batman Blows Robin On Yon Gotham Bridge. Very Good, Wayne; Get Superman Next.

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Frank Reid

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Jul 30, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/30/95
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In Article <DC8vvB.2v...@torfree.net> "aa...@torfree.net (Colin McGregor)" says:

> Elaine Chapin (ec1...@glhpx7.cen.uiuc.edu) wrote:
> : Resistor Color Code Mnemonics
>
> : Does anyone know any good Resistor Color Code Mnemonics?
> : We would sort of like to replace our current not very politically
> : correct phrase.
>
> The one I learned was:
>
> Better Be Ready Or Your Great Big Venture Goes West
>
> It may be boring, but I think it passes on the political correctness
> scale...
>
> Colin McGregor - VE3ZAA
>


OK you weenies, here's _the_ PC color-code mnemonic (saved from last
time this thread came around, a couple of years ago):

By Becoming Revolutionary Orators, Young Girls Become Very Great Women.

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Dr Distortion

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Jul 31, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/31/95
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Douglas P. McNutt (dmc...@teal.csn.net) wrote:

: Back when I was using 6SN7's...

I'm using 6SN7s right now, in 1995. Does anyone have good mnemonics for
tube pinouts? :) I've only memorized the pinouts for the most common
tubes, the ones I use everyday like the 12A*7 series and octal power tubes.
Otherwise, I have to break out the RCA book.


Dr Distortion

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Jul 31, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/31/95
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Alan R. Winstanley (al...@epemag.demon.co.uk) wrote:

: The funny thing was, the writer came from Bangladesh.

Isn't that one of those enlightened countries where they cut off women's
clits for "religious" reasons? That's a hell of a lot more debasing than some
stupid resistor code mnemonic.


Harry H Conover

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Jul 31, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/31/95
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Dr Distortion (Dr.Dis...@bbs.mhv.net) wrote:

I understand that they do the same thing in Finland, which is (shockingly)
a domain more frequently seen on the Net. I've even seen some Fins
justify the practice by comparing it with male circumcision.

The lesson is, I guess, is simply this:
Don't judge the advancement or intelligence of a people by their
demonstrated computer literacy.

Harry C.

ps. It may come as a shock to many, but the procedure was practiced
by some groups, on a limited scale, in the U.S. through WWII.
Possibly, in some backward areas of the U.S., it still goes on.

Walter Gray

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Jul 31, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/31/95
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In article <3v220o$4...@sulla.cyberstore.ca>, la...@tvinet.com (Larry Phillips) writes:
>Boiled Bufallo Ribs Or Yak Gizzards Beat Vapid Gazelle Wienies.
>
>-larry
>
>


Wouldn't it be easier just to remember the colours?

walter
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Juha Koivisto

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Jul 31, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/31/95
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con...@max.tiac.net (Harry H Conover) writes:

>: Isn't that one of those enlightened countries where they cut off women's
>: clits for "religious" reasons? That's a hell of a lot more debasing than

>I understand that they do the same thing in Finland, which is (shockingly)


>a domain more frequently seen on the Net. I've even seen some Fins
>justify the practice by comparing it with male circumcision.

We certainly don't.

I don't know where you get your 'facts', or where you have seen 'some
Finns' justify a barbaric ritual practiced mostly in some African or
Asian countries (some, not all), but next time do a little research
before posting, will you?

As for male circumcision - in most cases a totally unnecessary and
painful operation - we don't do that either, at least not routinely
as in (some areas of?) the U.S.A.

>The lesson is, I guess, is simply this:
>Don't judge the advancement or intelligence of a people by their
>demonstrated computer literacy.

Right.

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Matthews E H Jr

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Bad booze rots our young guts, but vodka goes well.

-From Southern Illinois University about 1980.


Harry H Conover

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Jul 31, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/31/95
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Juha Koivisto (jkoi...@vipunen.hut.fi) wrote:
: con...@max.tiac.net (Harry H Conover) writes:

: >I understand that they do the same thing in Finland, which is (shockingly)


: >a domain more frequently seen on the Net. I've even seen some Fins
: >justify the practice by comparing it with male circumcision.

: We certainly don't.

: I don't know where you get your 'facts', or where you have seen 'some
: Finns' justify a barbaric ritual practiced mostly in some African or
: Asian countries (some, not all), but next time do a little research
: before posting, will you?

You're correct, I should have researched this in greater depth. The basis
of this was postings from several people in the .fi domain in discussions
of "female circumcism" in alt.sex. I'm relieved to learn that this
information is untrue.

: As for male circumcision - in most cases a totally unnecessary and


: painful operation - we don't do that either, at least not routinely
: as in (some areas of?) the U.S.A.

True, but the two subject are not comparable.

What has this to do with resistors? How should I know! :-)

: >The lesson is, I guess, is simply this:


: >Don't judge the advancement or intelligence of a people by their
: >demonstrated computer literacy.

: Right.
: Right!

Harry C.

Eugene Kang

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Aug 1, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/1/95
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In article <3vj19c$1a...@nic.smsu.edu> ehm...@cnas.smsu.edu writes:
>
>Bad booze rots our young guts, but vodka goes well.
>
>-From Southern Illinois University about 1980.

Bad boys rape our young girls but violet gives willingly.

-From Everyday Electronics (UK), a few years back. Caused a small stir.


John Fields

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Aug 1, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/1/95
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Peter Morton (pe...@pmorton.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: hi,
: I used to use a crude mnemonic until shown a word association method.
: The advantage of this is you don't have to work serially through to
: get the number. Some of the ones given were a bit duff, which is
: why I can't remember them, but the rest still stick. Perhaps
: others can modify / add to the list :-

: 0) a BLACK hole - simple enough, an 0 is a black circle
: 1) a BROWN turd is in the shape of a ONE
: 2) TWO RED lips
: 3) - Three oranges are fun to juggle
: 4)- Four cowards have yellow streaks up their backs
: 5) gardeners have FIVE GREEN fingers
: 6) SIX legs on a BLUE arsed fly
: 7) the magnificent SEVEN were VIOLET men - this one is so bad you
: will never forget it :-)
: 8) -I ate something gray once and it made me sick
: 9)- Nine lives of an old white cat

: An example of one of the duff ones given was NINE lives of an old
: WHITE cat. This would only work for me if all cats were white.
^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^ ^^ ^^ ^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^^
It works for me, and I see you still remember it ;)
Starship

: regards,

: Pete, Ryton, Tyne & Wear, UK


Gray Creager

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Aug 1, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/1/95
to David...@rose-hulman.edu
David...@Rose-Hulman.edu (David A. Moody) wrote:

>In article <3v2uqu$c...@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca>, gor...@unixg.ubc.ca (Gordon Wong) writes:
>> Black Boys Raped Our Young Girls Behind Very Gray Walls
>> - from a kid in our 9th grade electronics class ...
>>
>
>I learned it along a similar "scary" manner, but with a little difference.
>
>Black Boys Raped Our Young Girls But Violet Goes Willingly.
>
>That was back in the early 70s, and I have heard it repeated even today.
>What I wonder, is there a more PC (actually anything would be better) version
>of this?
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>necessarily the same as my employer, family, friends, etc.
>It is up to you to know the difference.

Yes, this is better...


Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly


Michael Covington

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Aug 2, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/2/95
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A couple of other suggestions...

One brown tree trunk on a desert island
(if you want to avoid scatology, and besides, this is more accurate)

Eight legs on the spider that spins gray cobwebs


I like the one about jugging three oranges but I think we need a
better one for four/yellow.

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Thomas Thornton

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Aug 2, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/2/95
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<snip>

>>
>>Black Boys Raped Our Young Girls But Violet Goes Willingly.
>>
>>That was back in the early 70s, and I have heard it repeated even
today.
>>What I wonder, is there a more PC (actually anything would be better)
version
>>of this?
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------

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>>---------------------------------------------------------------------

>>Any facts expressed within belong to everybody.


>>Any opinions expressed within are my own and are not
>>necessarily the same as my employer, family, friends, etc.
>>It is up to you to know the difference.
>
>Yes, this is better...
>
>
>Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly
>

Can anyone put a date on this?

I learned the second version in the late '50s. Don't remember exactly
who passed it to me, but it strikes me that he was an *OLD fart* even
then :-).

Can any of you elmers out there remember a time when this wasn't the
standard color code mnemonic?

Tom Thornton KE6NJC


John Fields

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Aug 2, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/2/95
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Michael Covington (mcov...@ai.uga.edu) wrote:
: A couple of other suggestions...

: One brown tree trunk on a desert island
: (if you want to avoid scatology, and besides, this is more accurate)

: Eight legs on the spider that spins gray cobwebs


: I like the one about jugging three oranges but I think we need a
: better one for four/yellow.

Four yellow bananas are difficult to juggle?
Starship

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Chris Matthaei

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Aug 2, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/2/95
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wag...@taz.dra.hmg.gb (Walter Gray) writes:

I agree. All these silly mnmnomnmnics (sp? :-)) would just confuse me more than
anything. The colors are in such a logical order, so why use a mnemonic? I
had the sequence memorized when I was 10 years old. Whats the big deal?

Chris


Tom Bruhns

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Aug 4, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/4/95
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Richard Steven Walz (rst...@armory.com) wrote:
: In article <3ulrop$g...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>,

: Elaine Chapin <ec1...@glhpx7.cen.uiuc.edu> wrote:
: >Resistor Color Code Mnemonics
: >
: >Does anyone know any good Resistor Color Code Mnemonics?
: >We would sort of like to replace our current not very politically
: >correct phrase.

I don't have time to review all 55 responses that are accumulated
here, so don't know if others have offered any better ones, but
how about

Big Bill rode out yesterday, going by Victoria's garden wall.

That shouldn't be too politically incorrect, I'd think. And it
doesn't rely on your knowledge of WWII rationing and stuff like that.

And it seems like everyone is leaving off the last part of the
Bad Boys one: "get some now" (for gold, silver, none, the
tolerance bands).


Roger Books

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Aug 4, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/4/95
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Thomas Thornton (mand...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> >
> >Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly
> >

> Can anyone put a date on this?

> I learned the second version in the late '50s. Don't remember exactly
> who passed it to me, but it strikes me that he was an *OLD fart* even
> then :-).

I don't know how old it is, but one person I ran into had learned it
with the BVGW replaced with Behind Victory Garden Walls. I had to
have him explain to me what a Victory Garden was.

Roger

John Lundgren

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Aug 6, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/6/95
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Chris Matthaei (fu...@MCS.COM) penned:
: wag...@taz.dra.hmg.gb (Walter Gray) writes:

: Chris

Exactly. There isn't a need for the mnemonics, at least not or long.
There are only 24 different colors for the first two bands, so what IS
the problem? After you figure out that most of the reistors used are
still in the ten percent values, this comes down to just twelve values:

brown black 10
brown green 15
red red 22
red violet 27
orange orange 33
orange white 39
yellow violet 47
green blue 56
blue grey 68
grey red 82
white brown 91

And then you only have to deal with the multiplier, which is always the
same for all colors, so that's about a half dozen combos there:

Black - tens of ohms,
brown - hundreds of ohms,
red - thousands of ohms, or Kohms
orange - ten thousands of ohms, or tens of Kohms.
yellow - hundreds of thousands of ohms, or hundreds of Kohms,
green - Megohms,
and you hardly ever see blue, tens of megohms, as a multiplier.
And you hardly ever see gold, or silver (tenths of ohms) as a multiplier.

With most solid state stuff, you seldom see green as the multiplier. So
that boils down to really just four values.

Simple enough to really not need mnemonics at all.

Come to think of it, there are even less of the two colors that are
commonly seen. I think that most of the resistors that are used come in
just five different values for the first two bands:

brown black 10
red red 22
orange orange 33
yellow violet 47
blue gray 68

And those combined with the multipliers make up only a few dozen possible
values. These are so few that there is no point in using a mnemonic,
just remember them by rote. Real soon, it just becomes so automatic that
the value pops intoo your head when you see the colors.
You _see_ yellow violet red, but your mind _thinks_ 4.7 K! Automagically!

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Robert Macy

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Aug 6, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/6/95
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JL>You _see_ yellow violet red, but your mind _thinks_ 4.7 K! Automagically!

Very true.

But I still measure them before I use 'em. Ever since that bad day when
a batch of mispainted ones caused me one huge problem.

- Robert -

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Ken Walker

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Aug 8, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/8/95
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How about ''Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Virgins Go Without''


Robert Thompson

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Aug 10, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/10/95
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The one I've used for a long time is:

Better Buy Resistors Or Your Grid Bias May Go West

(M == Mauve)

(But not so long as to ever have used a grid bias! :-) )
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R.G. Keen

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Aug 12, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/12/95
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Someone's probably already noted it, but our was a variant -
"Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly."

Alan R. Winstanley

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Aug 13, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/13/95
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In article <40j3tq$2...@boris.eden.com>, "R.G. Keen" <ke...@eden.com>
writes
Try quoting either or both of them in a British electronics magazine and
watch the fireworks from the PC lobby! I know because I did! And there
were!!

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