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Aug 22, 2014, 4:57:30 PM8/22/14

How much difference is there between MP3, CD and 24-bit audio?

The Who performing at the Isle of Wight festival, 1969. High-res
audio will bring out his bass playing more clearly. Photograph: Rex
Features Why are we still listening to over-compressed music through
low-quality headphones when advances in bandwidth, storage capacity
and speakers (not to mention headphones) means we could be listening
to high-quality uncompressed audio all the time?

Neil Young�s Pono player has spurred a renewed interest in high
resolution audio � music that promises to bring the high-fidelity
experience of vinyl to the digital age.

The premise is simple: high-resolution music sounds better than the
highly compressed MP3 and even the CD, which preceded it as the most
favoured form of digital audio for the best part of 30 years. The
failures of higher-quality music formats such as Super Audio CD (SACD)
and DVD-Audio, and the continued absence of �24-bit audio� - which
should give far higher resolution to sound than the 16-bit audio used
on a CD - suggests that high-resolution music faces many challenges.

Briefly: CD audio is digitally sampled at 44kHz, which sampling theory
says can capture any frequency up to 22kHz - the upper limit of human
hearing. The volume levels are then quantised into 16-bit quantities,
which can represent 65,536 discrete values for the loudness. 24-bit
audio is often sampled at 96kHz or 192kHz; those 24 bits can represent
16.7m discrete loudness values. By contrast MP3s are compressed by an
algorithm that throws away parts of the sound that long laborious
testing determined could not actually be heard. (Pub quiz fact: the
song used as the comparator for each attempt at the algorithm was
Suzanne Vega�s Tom�s Diner.)

But the key question for hi-res audio is: can listeners can actually
hear the difference?

To attempt to answer that question, the Guardian recruited Linn
Records, purveyors of high-resolution music since 2007 and a recording
label with access to the original files recorded by artists, bands and

What is hi-res?
The term �hi-res� will be bandied around more and more in the coming
months as electronics manufacturers build branded support for higher
quality music into smartphones, tablets and headphones.

There is even debate what actually constitutes hi-res. As Linn�s
managing director Gilad Tiefenbrun explains, �there�s confusion over
what is and isn�t hi-res music. Is CD hi-res? Perhaps a high-quality
MP3? Or does it have to be 24-bit music? For us, hi-res music is the
24-bit studio master - the original recording the artist made, from
which all other files and formats are made.�

The studio master is something Young and his Pono player and music
service has embraced and is likely to become the true mark of what is
and isn�t hi-res music.

Can you really tell the difference?
With that debate out the way, do hi-res studio master tracks actually
sound any different or better than MP3s or CDs?

Tim Jonze, the Guardian�s music editor, Jason Phipps, the Guardian�s
head of audio, and I sat down in Graham�s Hi-Fi in London�s Islington
to listen to a variety of tracks, each in four formats: 128kbps and
320kbps MP3; CD; and 24-bit studio master. All were played through the
same high-quality system and speakers.

Nick Drake�s music was part of the �hi-res� listening test.
Photograph: PR
Jonze found that how much you noticed was down to how hard you
concentrate on the music.

The first question is �could I tell the difference?�. And yes, I
could, although perhaps not in the transformative way I was expecting.

The higher quality recordings become ever crisper and clearer, with
each instrumental part emerging from a murky swamp of sound. But for
me, appreciating the difference was reliant on a degree of

Have them on in the background and I might not notice any change
between the studio masters and the nastiest compressed MP3. Listen
attentively to, say, the bassline in The Who�s Pinball Wizard, and
it�s undoubtedly easier to hear where the notes roam rather than just
getting the general impression.

The difference between MP3 and CD was most striking � I struggled to
differentiate much from CD to studio master.

Ultimately the difference is there but it�s subtle and I really think
it depends on how you listen to music.

My favourite method of listening to music is with headphones while
walking � it�s while doing this that I fully lose myself in the music,
but it�s never the precise sound I�m interested in, more the way it
transports me emotionally to another daydream universe.

It takes me away, rather than draws me in. And the truth is, I find
the impressionistic sound of an MP3 just as effective at providing
this emotional hit as the photographic realism of a studio master

Phipps was in two minds as to whether studio masters were better.

Could I tell the difference? It depended on the recording. On
listening to Nick Drake�s One of These Things First and listening a
very high-quality set of Linn speakers, going from low quality MP3, to
high-quality MP3 and finally the high resolution studio master, I
personally found it difficult to discern a sharp and noticeable
difference other than to the quality of the lower frequency sounds,
the bass line and the bass strings on the guitar. The difference was
subtle to my ears.

But listening to different tracks the quality gap became more
pronounced. Moving again from low-res to a studio master recording of
Overture from West Side Story, a myriad of instruments improved in
clarity and depth of tone. It was the same with The Who�s Pinball

The more layers and instrumentation the starker the difference when we
moved from low- to high-res digital files.

In some cases, however, the clarity of the high-res file had the
overall effect of what I describe as a �chilling effect� on the music;
the clarity created for too much space in the music and diminished its
warmth and cohesion for me.

My impression at the end of our listening session was that yes,
there�s a distinct quality difference between the kind of compressed,
middling MP3 commonly downloaded from the major platforms and the
24-bit high-res studio master. But mostly I found the CD-quality track
on Linn�s superb hi-fi equipment to be the overall best listen for my
particular ears.

Italian tenor Luciano Pavarotti in song: studio masters can reveal
his separation from the orchestra in recording. Photograph: WALTER
PONTES/AFP/Getty Images
In my view, there was a real discernible difference between the MP3 or
CD and the studio master tracks. But it wasn�t always a good thing.

The difference in quality wasn�t analogous to the marked difference
between standard-definition and high-definition video, being much more
suitable in most cases.

Overall the studio masters sounded fuller, more spacious and less
flat. Some tracks sounded very close to CD. Others, like The Who�s
Pinball Wizard, were strikingly different, sounding more real, less
produced and more raw or natural, as it would be listening live.

But that difference wasn�t always a good thing. It was disappointing
to hear a recording of Pavarotti�s Nessun Dorma sound worse in studio
master, as it exposed the fact that the orchestra and the tenor�s
tracks were recorded separately in different environments. They
sounded disconnected � something that is masked in the CD version.

What was very apparent is just how bad a poor-quality MP3 sounded, how
good a 320kbps MP3 and CD sounded, and how cutting out the middle man
in the audio production chain with a studio master could have
unexpected results.

Hi-res music is currently available from Linn and others through their
music store, but it costs more than a standard MP3 file at around �18
for an album which takes up around 2 and 5GB of storage space. MP3
typically take up around 5MB per track.

More devices will support hi-res music in the near future with
Samsung, Sony and LG already selling music players and smartphones
capable of playing 24-bit music. Wether Young�s Pono service will be
enough to propel hi-res studio masters into the mainstream remains to
be seen, but Tiefenbrun thinks it�s inevitable that other companies
including Apple, Amazon and Spotify will offer a similar hi-res

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David Eather

Aug 23, 2014, 1:18:41 AM8/23/14
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 06:57:30 +1000, <> wrote:

> How much difference is there between MP3, CD and 24-bit audio?

There is almost no difference between well recorded mp3, cd, and 24-bit

A vinyl record had about 60-65db dynamic range when it was brand new and
that dropped a little every time it was played. They are not the "magic"
audiofools are saying.

The over compressed music is a result of the "loudness war" and not the

The difference between mp3 and other formats dispersers at 160kbs - 192kbs

Most audio digital to analog converters do not deliver 24-bit accuracy.

Likewise the digital to analogue converter does not deliver 24-bit

16-bit audio has a dynamic range of 96-db and that to the 30db sound floor
in a studio and you will need *thousands* of genuine watts to reproduce
the full range - the loudest of which will be louder than a 30-06 rifle
going off 1 meter away without ear protection and the softest will be like
a cat walking on carpet.

Most of the nonsense about hi-def audio is actually due to volume level.
We perceive slight increases in volume as being "clearer" and more "open"
and "detailed" rather than "louder". It is a statistically significant
effect observable down to 0.1db - which makes it almost impossible to
measure and set up correctly a meaningful test as most testers can only
set levels to at bets 0.5 to 1 db and they have a bias to "tweak" the one
they think is best until to does indeed sound best to them.

It's all about getting you to part with your money to make them more
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