Had To Chuckle

[Jeff Urban]

I was desoldering some things and once forgot to cock the desolder pump.

I thought "I would be in big trouble in the old west with a single action".

[tabb...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, 31 July 2019 17:42:52 UTC+1, Jeff Urban wrote:
> I was desoldering some things and once forgot to cock the desolder pump.
>
> I thought "I would be in big trouble in the old west with a single action".

Most times you only need to point it. In fact most times it doesn't even go that far.

[amdx]

It seems during a quick draw gunfight in the middle of Dodge, they
never miss, but if it is a gunfight out on the plains where they take
time to aim, it takes a full load plus a refill to hit anyone.
Mikek

This is where I tell my wife, it's TV.

[peterw...@gmail.com]

The expression is: it takes man's weight in bullets to kill him.

The "old West" was rather tame, by modern standards, anyway.

a) About 25% of cowboys were black
b) About 40% of cowboys were Mexican
c) The remainder were everything-else, including white.
d) There were only 14 actual bank robberies in the "Territories" over a 10 year period when most of the "old-west" movies were set.
e) There were about 40 shootouts and street duels from about 1865 to about 1910. Not everyone died, either. In contrast, there have been 114 homicides in St. Louis, MO alone in 2019.
f) By contrast, there have been over 140,000 deliberate gun-caused injuries in the US in 2019, over 40,000 resulting in a death.

Don't worry about the old west. Worry about the New West.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

[Cursitor Doom]

On Thu, 01 Aug 2019 05:17:26 -0700, pf...@aol.com wrote:

> Don't worry about the old west. Worry about the New West.

Yup, open carry is a great deterrent, but with so many states going the
way of NY and CA, it's not surprising there's so many gun deaths in
America today.




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[Fox's Mercantile]

On 8/1/19 2:51 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> Yup, open carry is a great deterrent

Horseshit.
The only thing open carry is good for is telling
others "Shoot me first" or "Free gun, come and take it."
Of course, the default setting is "Hey everyone look and
see how big my dick is."


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[Bob Engelhardt]

On 8/1/2019 3:51 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> Yup, open carry is a great deterrent, ...

Why do you say that? Because it feels good or do you have facts?

Here's some facts: Colorado has open carry without a permit and
shall-issue CCW. 7.6% of the population has CCW, unknown how many open
carry - could be anything, but 34% do own guns. The Aurora theater had
400 people in it, on average there would have been 30 with CCW. No one
returned fire when a gunman killed 12, injured 58 more, firing 76 shots.

Deterrent?

[et...@whidbey.com]

On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 19:51:26 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cu...@notformail.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 01 Aug 2019 05:17:26 -0700, pf...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Don't worry about the old west. Worry about the New West.
>
>Yup, open carry is a great deterrent, but with so many states going the
>way of NY and CA, it's not surprising there's so many gun deaths in
>America today.

I challenge you to back up your statement up with facts. I won't
hold my breath waiting for you to find any that back up your
statement.
Eric

[Cursitor Doom]

On Thu, 01 Aug 2019 15:32:14 -0500, Fox's Mercantile wrote:

> The only thing open carry is good for is telling others "Shoot me first"
> or "Free gun, come and take it."
> Of course, the default setting is "Hey everyone look and see how big my
> dick is."

Actually, the best invitation of all for any nut-job out there to come
and shoot everybody up are these crazy "gun-free zones" you find in
basket-case states like Illinois and Maryland - talk about begging for
trouble.

[Cursitor Doom]

Oh, and I missed out Michigan. How could I have forgotten that?? Must be
getting senile.

[Andy Burns]

Bob Engelhardt wrote:

> The Aurora theater had 400 people in it, on average there would have
> been 30 with CCW.  No one returned fire when a gunman killed 12, injured
> 58 more, firing 76 shots.

Very easy for there to be a mismatch, such as old people carry guns
while young people go to see batman films ...

[Tim R]

My daughter always tells me "never engage crazy." So this will be stupid. But I'll do it once - one and done.

The world is safer now than in the past 10,000 years. There are a lot of reasons for that, I can give you some references if you're interested. Some people here are - the Web in general doesn't contain them.

One of the strongest influences is the confidence that government is in control. (I'm grossly oversimplifying here.)(Read this for a more nuanced take: https://www.amazon.com/Better-Angels-Our-Nature-Violence/dp/0143122010)

The message open carry sends is: the world is dangerous and scary, we can't trust the government, it's everybody for themselves. The more that message is sent, the more dangerous the world does become. Culture always trumps rules and process.

[Jeff Urban]

On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 6:31:14 AM UTC-5, amdx wrote:

> On 7/31/2019 12:12 PM, tabb...gmail.com wrote:

> It seems during a quick draw gunfight in the middle of Dodge, they
> never miss, but if it is a gunfight out on the plains where they take
> time to aim, it takes a full load plus a refill to hit anyone.
> Mikek
>
> This is where I tell my wife, it's TV.

I noticed that. And I assume you also noticed that TV guns hold about 1.1 million rounds ? That would come in handy for people who can't shoot, but I can.

[Jeff Urban]

>a) About 25% of cowboys were black
>b) About 40% of cowboys were Mexican
>c) The remainder were everything-else, including white.
>d) There were only 14 actual bank robberies in the "Territories" >over a 10 year period when most of the "old-west" movies were set.
>e) There were about 40 shootouts and street duels from about 1865 to >about 1910. Not everyone died, either. In contrast, there have been >114 homicides in St. Louis, MO alone in 2019.
>f) By contrast, there have been over 140,000 deliberate gun-caused >injuries in the US in 2019, over 40,000 resulting in a death.

I don't know where you got that little compendium but it sounds right. The thing with Mexicans was a totally different planet, people crossed the border both ways without even giving it a thought.

That was before we were overpopulated, and don't gimme this shit that we ain't and look at other countries, this ain't other countries. I want to have something to mow, a grill, bunch of chairs in mt 3½ car garage that has a crane and floor anchor for car frame straightening, should the need arise of course.

You can take your "flat", another word for "projects" and stick them where they are sure not to get a sunburn.

[Jeff Urban]

>Yup, open carry is a great deterrent, but with so many states >going the way of NY and CA, it's not surprising there's so many >gun deaths in America today.

You mean taking guns away form law abiding Citizens so that only criminals have them ? That is part of the plane. Get with the program here.

They get paid to fight crime.
They get paid to put people in prison. (you REALLY think is costs sixty grand apiece to house them ? Bullshit)

Now take those two facts and figure out your most profitable course of action.

The most logical course of action is to lock up the innocent and let the guilty go free. If you think they wouldn't do it that beachfront property in Belin, New Mexico might still be available. Those people are more ruthless than you could ever imagine, but I can. I belong dead like ten times over and the only reason I am not is because I know how to get nastier then the other mother fucker. And they make me look like Mother Theresa and I don't mean that cunt up in England.

Watch the telly. (pay that tax or they will come for you) The TV makes you think every time someone dies they spend six million bucks investigating. Bullshit. First of all over half the murders in this country are unsolved. When they do investigate they decide who they think did it in five minutes, then go to proving it ignoring all kinds of evidence pointing to someone else. Why ? They make the same amount of money no matter which way they do it. They really don't care who is guilty, all they care is who is easiest to throw in jail. One little thing about them punks, when they start coercing you to confess that means they have serious doubts about being able to convict you.

And none of them are all that smart, in fact there are police departments all over this country that won't hire you if your IQ tests too high.

I bet the BBC didn't tell you that shit but come on over and see that it is true. When I am bullshitting I admit freely that I am bullshitting, here, I am not bullshitting.

[Jeff Urban]

>Horseshit.
>The only thing open carry is good for is telling
>others "Shoot me first" or "Free gun, come and take it."
>Of course, the default setting is "Hey everyone look and
>see how big my dick is."

Sometimes it is "Try it asshole". Try me, I can take out a bird in flight with a pistol. Yup. And that was before they fixed my eyes. Well I wore glasses and it was corrected pretty well but still now that they worked on them I can't believe how great it is to really be able to see. Damn, I use both eyes and the sights are clear and the target is clear. Down the street - which eye do you want it in ?

Still I won't carry. Know why ? Many years ago I was the guy everyone called to help them move. First of all I was one of only three people who can back up a trailer. Second of all let's put it this way, once I carried a stove down a whole flight of stairs by myself.

Carry ? The other day I picked up a bag of mortar for the garage, the corner is like, getting gone. Not sure if something is trying to chew through or what but that is neither here or there. So I PICKED up this bag of mortar. Type S, 80 pounds. PICKED UP. I moved it from the shelf to the cart at the local DIY joint, wheeled it to the checkout, PICKED it up and put it in the car, then at home PICKED it up ... It took so much out of me I, well...

I know that if you can't handle yourself physically a gun won't do you much good. I still have some moves and sure I can still kill with my hands, but when it comes to wrestling over a firearm that takes strength and I don't have it. The less physically you are able the more odds someone can take the gun away from you and then you are in worse shape than if you didn't have it at all.

I know you don't think much of me but I am not stupid and I am not irresponsible. So I don't carry. I WILL, like if I am carrying a shitload of cash or something very valuable, but not usually.

I might, say if I have to walk to the bank. I usually take out like $400 at a time because I do not feel like keeping going down there. At that point, maybe. But I haven't had to walk down there so...

I just don't have what it takes to be a quasi-cop anymore.

[Jeff Urban]

>Why do you say that? Because it feels good or do you have facts?

Here's a fact for you, two actually. ]

One, no executed person has reoffended, ever.
Two, if they die on scene during the act it saves us a ton of money.

Enough for me. Cross that line and not be human and then you will be put down like a rabid animal. No remorse.

[Jeff Urban]

>I challenge you to back up your statement up with facts.

I back it up with lead. I think 241 grains ? And they kill. I mean if I hit you in the arm you have a 50/50 chance of dying.

I do not care if they kill a million people a day,. we got enough for almost a whole year. And then when they get to like month eight and we are down to like 80 million people here, the place will be a seriously great place to live.

If it turns out I have to die for the good of society (there are a few people who agree with that statement like 900%) then so be it. Gimme a conmpter to write down my last shit and then shoot.

[Jeff Urban]

>Very easy for there to be a mismatch, such as old people carry >guns while young people go to see batman films ...

Strange wording but I think I get what you mean. Just because you can carry doesn't mean you always do. The theater ? It has happened buy rarely. The grocery store, the odds just don't warrant the heightened level of responsibility and the awareness you must maintain.

Say I want a pound of weed, well that is different. Say I have to go to the east side and make whatever deal, maybe buy a car (truck, fuck cars) maybe then. See Cleveland is like two cities, east and west. In fact it used to be two cities, they merged a long time ago. But there are still places like that Whites don't go and places Blacks don't go. When you cross that line bring your iron.

[Fox's Mercantile]

On 8/10/19 8:24 AM, Jeff Urban wrote:

> Fox's Mercantile wrote:
>> Horseshit.
>> The only thing open carry is good for is telling
>> others "Shoot me first" or "Free gun, come and take it."
>> Of course, the default setting is "Hey everyone look and
>> see how big my dick is."
> Sometimes it is "Try it asshole".

More delusional horseshit.
We get it. According to you, you're bigger, badder, faster
and have a bigger dick than the rest of us.

[Jeff Urban]

>The message open carry sends is: the world is dangerous and >scary, we can't trust the government, it's everybody for >themselves.

It is. When I fired a lawyer it was because he told me something. The deal is the thought I was drunk but I wasn't. I was sick and in a shitload of pain and they took that as stumbling. The lawyer told me if they hadn't busted me and I went on to hurt myself or others they could be sued. I already knew that wasn't true, and can drag my writ in here proving otherwise, citing five high court cases, know of them THE supreme court with Antonin Scalia writing the majority opinion.

I got the document on my other PC, a laptop, yik. I doubt I'll ever buy another. I'll drag it in here. It has all the info, case numbers and all that shit.

The bottom line is while you can sue them for things they do, you cannot sue them for things they do not do. They could watch someone blow your head off and just drive away and there isn't a damn thing anybody can do about it.

If you doubt, look it up. I did. And I got it from dot govs and dot edus, not some Alex Jones type bullshit here.

[tabb...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, 10 August 2019 14:55:21 UTC+1, Jeff Urban wrote:

Tim R wrote:

> >The message open carry sends is: the world is dangerous and >scary, we can't trust the government, it's everybody for >themselves.
>
> It is.

Does someone here really think the world is not dangerous, that they can trust the govt and that they don't need to look after thmeselves? I guess it takes all sorts.

[peterw...@gmail.com]

The "Government" is necessary. It gives us the basic rules of society:

Stopping at Stop Signs - and the Stop Signs in the first place.
That, for the most part, the drugs, foods, and chemicals we purchase on a daily basis will not kill us immediately.
That when we need to call an ambulance, fire truck and so forth, the phones are likely to work, and there will likely be a response.
That we all agree to drive on the same side of the road.

And tens of thousands of other examples that paranoid survivalists (rugged individuals) seem to miss in their narcissistic fantasies.

That we need to look out for ourselves is also a given. But that we must be "everybody for themselves" is simply stupid - almost irredeemably stupid, as under that scenario, there are no commonalities. Under that scenario, there would be no reason for anyone to stop at a Stop Sign, and no consequences arising therefrom.

It is called the "social contract".

We must all hang together, or we will surely hang separately.

B. Franklin

[Fox's Mercantile]

On 8/12/19 7:24 AM, pf...@aol.com wrote:
> The "Government" is necessary. It gives us the basic rules of society:

These are the same clowns that went absolutely fucking batshit when
President Obama said "You didn't build this."

[Tim R]

They hide the secrets - in books.

I guess they're pretty safe.