Today's lead free story, and a "Mr Cook" moment ...
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altogether for brief periods, after a half hour of use. Additional symptom
was that the status LEDs on the footpedal flickered. He said that he'd
looked it up on the net, and many people had reported that this problem was
caused by the two ceramic feed resistors in the low voltage + and - rails,
having bad joints. OK, we've all seen this, I guess. Anyways, unit would not
fault on my bench, and no amount of pushing, prodding, poking, bashing,
heating or freezing, would provoke it, so reluctantly, I had to remove the
main board to get a look behind it. I say reluctantly, because it's a bit of
a long winded job involving removal of all of the (grub screwed) knobs, pot
nuts and washers, jack nuts and washers etc. When the board was out, I had a
really detailed look at all the joints with a powerful light and my headband
magnifier, but no joints actually looked bad anywhere, including on the two
ceramic resistors. So I went for the Mr Cook test and grabbed the wires on
those resistors one by one with pliers, and pulled. And Lo! On the third
one, it pulled cleanly and easily from the joint, leaving the now dreaded
'volcano' behind. How much longer are we going to have to put up with this
crap ? It's not as if it's the quick 'good little earner' that bad joints
used to be when you could find them in a minute or two with a Biro pen, a
can of freezer, and a Mk I eyeball ...
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N_Cook
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acknowledged
Geo
wrote:
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> How much longer are we going to have to put up with this
>crap ?
Until we get out of EU?
Otherwise suggest forceful multiple feebdback to manufacturer on their quality
failures.
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Geo
JW
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Any time I have a intermittent problem with a RoHS circuit board, I bring
it to work and put it through an old Hollis wave soldering machine that
still uses lead. Don't even bother to trouble-shoot first. Fuck lead free.
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"JW" <no...@dev.null> wrote in message
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Well yes, that's all very well, but as a professional repairer, I'm
unfortunately bound by law to use appropriate repair materials to preserve
the bloody RoHS certification. It would be just my luck to finish up as the
soldering equivalent of the poor sod who became known as "The Metric
Martyr", and was jailed for selling his fruit and veg to old dears, using
pounds and ounces ...
But I know exactly where you're coming from :-)
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Meat Plow
I know you have but I will say this anyway. Compared to pulling a certain
Mackie 16 ch mixer apart where all sixteen channels are on one board, and
where I counted 102 mini shaft nuts removed with needle nose because I
didn't have a shaft nut driver that small, and an additional 48 philips
screws just to replace one LED, your experience with the Fender is a walk
in the park on a sunny day.
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N_Cook
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I suppose as Fender is now a pseudo-American company then no warning green
RoHS stickers on the outside or PbF or similar on the overlay.
If companies, in general, were concerned about reliability AND have to live
with PbF then they would have specified ring-barbs to be formed around any
thru-board leads
Michael A. Terrell
Its time for a full blown ROHS revolt. String the morons up on light
poles as a warning to other idiot Beauracrats. :)
--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.
Plain...@yawho.com
While I wouldn't suggest such a drastic action (neutering them and
their children would be more beneficial), I do applaud the goal.
The fact is that lead in the food chain IS a problem. Banning lead
in paints (in particular paints used in children't toys), in the
paints and glazes used on ceramic containers, etc is a very good idea.
However when they reach the point of degrading the reliability of
items which an infant would ever be able to chew on, they have gone
beyond the bounds of reason. I have even heard an allegation
(unverified) that there is a move to remove all books printed before
1970 because the ink may contain lead.
PlainBill
Michael A. Terrell
Wimp! Why not do both? ;-)
> The fact is that lead in the food chain IS a problem. Banning lead
> in paints (in particular paints used in children't toys), in the
> paints and glazes used on ceramic containers, etc is a very good idea.
Lead in solder is an alloy and less likely to form the lead based
compounds that get into food. It would make more sense to make
recycling easier. That would keep the solder in a closed loop. It
would also help recover some precious metals that are lost in the waste
stream.
> However when they reach the point of degrading the reliability of
> items which an infant would ever be able to chew on, they have gone
> beyond the bounds of reason. I have even heard an allegation
> (unverified) that there is a move to remove all books printed before
> 1970 because the ink may contain lead.
They shouldn't be eating books. :)
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"Meat Plow" <mhy...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Oh I know, Meat, I know ... Not so long back, I did a similar one with over
100 knobs. I had to take a picture of it to make sure they all went back
where they should. Just putting the knobs back on took about a half hour,
let alone all the nuts and washers ... !!
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Spamm Trappe
>
> The fact is that lead in the food chain IS a problem. Banning lead
> in paints (in particular paints used in children't toys), in the
> paints and glazes used on ceramic containers, etc is a very good idea.
I'm not so sure. Ever since 'they' removed lead from toys, house paint,
gasoline, candle wicks, now solder, and gawd knows what else, we ("we":
the U.S.) have had year after year of dumber and dumber children.
Don't get me started about how out of whack global weather has become
since 'they' banned atmospheric testing of thermonuclear weapons...
Meat Plow
OooOOOOooOOOooo my head aches! You reminded me of the 204 washers (102
under the shaft nuts and 102 on top of each pot under the board top) and
102 knobs on splined split pot shafts that WOULD NOT pull off by
hand!!! :) Each had to be pried off with a flat screwdriver and small
block of wood for a fulcrum. And all the knobs in each channel were
different colors denoting the particular function (mains, buss, FX,
etc...) making it a real pain in the ass because rather than just laying
one channel out to remember the knob order I laid them all out so I
wouldn't have to fish through a box of hundred different color knobs.
Next to the Kurzweil piano and its 88, 3 part mini leaf switches, that
board was probably the most PITA thing I've ever worked on.
George Herold
wrote:
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> - Show quoted text -
My wife bought another kitchen appliance (hand blender) the other
day. Attached to the power cord was a warning... which I will
paraphrase. "Warning this power cord contains lead. Lead is known to
the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects. Wash your
hands after using." My nine year old son dutifully washed his hands.
(He wanted to play with the new gadget.) I had a mini-rant in the
kitchen.
This is wrong in so many ways it just boggles the mind.
George H.
Michael A. Terrell
George Herold wrote:
>
> My wife bought another kitchen appliance (hand blender) the other
> day. Attached to the power cord was a warning... which I will
> paraphrase. "Warning this power cord contains lead. Lead is known to
> the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects. Wash your
> hands after using." My nine year old son dutifully washed his hands.
> (He wanted to play with the new gadget.) I had a mini-rant in the
> kitchen.
>
> This is wrong in so many ways it just boggles the mind.
There are traces of lead in some plastics used to make wire. I think
it is part of the plasticiser needed to make the insulation flexible.
California isn't know as the land of fruits & nuts for nothing. :(
Herman
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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I live in New Orleans. Every day 4 or 5 people die due to lead. Bullets.
Plain...@yawho.com
<knock_you...@example.net> wrote:
>On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 10:37:22 -0700, Plain...@yawho.com wrote:
>>
>> The fact is that lead in the food chain IS a problem. Banning lead
>> in paints (in particular paints used in children't toys), in the
>> paints and glazes used on ceramic containers, etc is a very good idea.
>
>I'm not so sure. Ever since 'they' removed lead from toys, house paint,
>gasoline, candle wicks, now solder, and gawd knows what else, we ("we":
>the U.S.) have had year after year of dumber and dumber children.
>
I take it you are offering yourself as an example.
>
>Don't get me started about how out of whack global weather has become
>since 'they' banned atmospheric testing of thermonuclear weapons...
Well, if you plot climate changes against atmospheric testing of
thermonuclear weapons you don't get a very good match. Hoever, if
you plot climate changes against CO2 levels you get a pretty good
match.
Of course, both curves also match well to concentration of modulated
radio waves in the electromagnetic spectrum; and to number of internal
combustion engines.
PlainBill
Plain...@yawho.com
wrote:
Point that out to the NRA. They will retaliater with reams of data
'proving' that handguns save lives.
PlainBill
Michael A. Terrell
Herman wrote:
>
> I live in New Orleans. Every day 4 or 5 people die due to lead. Bullets.
More proof that New Orleans should be backfilled.
Michael A. Terrell
They do, but you only see what you want to.
William Sommerwerck
> I think it is part of the plasticiser needed to make the insulation
> flexible.
Right. The cord on the tuner/remote for my Sony Discman has such a warning.
I'm all in favor in "getting the lead out", especially in products that kids
come in contact with. Ideally, warnings should be based on the likely
exposure, not the mere presence of lead (or anything else). In practice,
it's easier simply to condemn everything.
Considering that the blender's cord would rarely be touched (and then only
at the plug end), there doesn't seem much point.
> California isn't know as the land of fruits & nuts for nothing. :(
Watch it...
Michael A. Terrell
I was talking about their politicians. :)
tm
>
> William Sommerwerck wrote:
>>
>> > There are traces of lead in some plastics used to make wire.
>> > I think it is part of the plasticiser needed to make the insulation
>> > flexible.
>>
>> Right. The cord on the tuner/remote for my Sony Discman has such a
>> warning.
>>
>> I'm all in favor in "getting the lead out", especially in products that
>> kids
>> come in contact with. Ideally, warnings should be based on the likely
>> exposure, not the mere presence of lead (or anything else). In practice,
>> it's easier simply to condemn everything.
>>
>> Considering that the blender's cord would rarely be touched (and then
>> only
>> at the plug end), there doesn't seem much point.
>>
>> > California isn't know as the land of fruits & nuts for nothing. :(
>>
>> Watch it...
>
>
> I was talking about their politicians. :)
>
That were put there by the, wait for it, "fruits and nuts".
Who else would vote for pelosi.
tm
Michael A. Terrell
Someone voted for her? Then they didn't to spend all that money on
ACORN, after all.
Meat Plow
> George Herold wrote:
>>
>> My wife bought another kitchen appliance (hand blender) the other day.
>> Attached to the power cord was a warning... which I will paraphrase.
>> "Warning this power cord contains lead. Lead is known to the State of
>> California to cause cancer and birth defects. Wash your hands after
>> using." My nine year old son dutifully washed his hands. (He wanted to
>> play with the new gadget.) I had a mini-rant in the kitchen.
>>
>> This is wrong in so many ways it just boggles the mind.
>
>
> There are traces of lead in some plastics used to make wire. I think
> it is part of the plasticiser needed to make the insulation flexible.
>
> California isn't know as the land of fruits & nuts for nothing. :(
Aint that the troof.