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Need a transistor for a '70s Zinger Color Organ
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nagl...@gmail.com
Jun 26, 2020, 8:07:00 PM6/26/20
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Hello. The Zinger is a six light alternating and flashing unit. It could run either on with varied speeds or connected to a speaker wire or radio output to pulse with the music. I am trying to fix this bedraggled old thing ... I know, glutton for punishment. Anyhow, the transistor (which is quite toasted) is a Toshiba FIR3D41. I can find no info online about this part or what the replacement might be. Based on what it is supposed to do, are there any suggestions for a replacement? It is 120v and the model number is 528. Thanks for any info !
Jeff Liebermann
Jun 26, 2020, 8:36:16 PM6/26/20
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On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 17:06:58 -0700 (PDT), nagl...@gmail.com wrote:
>Toshiba FIR3D41
<https://m.bukalapak.com/p/elektronik/komponen-elektronik/7ospx4-jual-scr-fir-3d-fir3d>
It would seem to be an SCR, triac, thyrsistor, or something similar.
The 41 looks like a date code or lot number. My guess is the real
part number is FIR3D.
<https://www.bukalapak.com/products/s/scr-fir3d-fir>
Looks like they're in Jakarta Indonesia. So, all you need to do is
find someone who speaks the language, create an account on:
<https://www.bukalapak.com>
and order the parts.
I've been looking for the data sheet on the FIR3D, but haven't found
anything because the phone keeps ringing.
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>Toshiba FIR3D41
<https://m.bukalapak.com/p/elektronik/komponen-elektronik/7ospx4-jual-scr-fir-3d-fir3d>
It would seem to be an SCR, triac, thyrsistor, or something similar.
The 41 looks like a date code or lot number. My guess is the real
part number is FIR3D.
<https://www.bukalapak.com/products/s/scr-fir3d-fir>
Looks like they're in Jakarta Indonesia. So, all you need to do is
find someone who speaks the language, create an account on:
<https://www.bukalapak.com>
and order the parts.
I've been looking for the data sheet on the FIR3D, but haven't found
anything because the phone keeps ringing.
--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Dave Platt
Jun 26, 2020, 8:50:09 PM6/26/20
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In article <d5ccabd3-5486-4545...@googlegroups.com>,
I have a feeling that you will probably need to trace out the circuit
and draw a schematic, in order for anyone to figure out the actual
requirements.
I suspect that the FIR3D41 code might be either a house number, or a
manufacturing date code. I have little doubt that there are
compatible parts available today (probably an arm's-length list of
them) but without a schematic it's going to be really difficult to
select one.
and draw a schematic, in order for anyone to figure out the actual
requirements.
I suspect that the FIR3D41 code might be either a house number, or a
manufacturing date code. I have little doubt that there are
compatible parts available today (probably an arm's-length list of
them) but without a schematic it's going to be really difficult to
select one.
Jeff Liebermann
Jun 26, 2020, 9:36:15 PM6/26/20
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Google translate works well enough in the Chrome browser to decode the
Indonesian. I dug through a mess of semiconductor logos and found the
"T" logo as possibly belonging to Toshiba. I don't believe it, but
that's what it claims:
<https://how-to.fandom.com/wiki/How_to_identify_integrated_circuit_(chip)_manufacturers_by_their_logos/P-T>
Scroll down to the "T" near the bottom of the page.
The consensus seems to be that it's an SCR.
<https://mufarielectronic.wordpress.com/2012/05/23/scr-fir3d/>
<https://www.tokopedia.com/d21r/scr-fir3d-thyristor-fir3d>
<https://salinsalim.wordpress.com/category/rancangbangun/>
Looks like the real part number is "FIR 3D". When searching by part
number, wrap it quotes.
This might be something similar to your color organ called a "Disco
Lamp". It uses an FIR 3D SCR.
<https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/wSrxp_Q_mSt7_CqPeIAkqe0Yn3TcqQY_CvGk3mxyQwkqZh9BnIyu6oM3eUpAHh7vRvZy7pPf86BOtMdnQICRiCXo7uqU_OOnlmhMB4DUI4mYz4mnxrErphlUD9aJdcp7fQ=s412>
Ok, I give up. No data sheet.
Indonesian. I dug through a mess of semiconductor logos and found the
"T" logo as possibly belonging to Toshiba. I don't believe it, but
that's what it claims:
<https://how-to.fandom.com/wiki/How_to_identify_integrated_circuit_(chip)_manufacturers_by_their_logos/P-T>
Scroll down to the "T" near the bottom of the page.
The consensus seems to be that it's an SCR.
<https://mufarielectronic.wordpress.com/2012/05/23/scr-fir3d/>
<https://www.tokopedia.com/d21r/scr-fir3d-thyristor-fir3d>
<https://salinsalim.wordpress.com/category/rancangbangun/>
Looks like the real part number is "FIR 3D". When searching by part
number, wrap it quotes.
This might be something similar to your color organ called a "Disco
Lamp". It uses an FIR 3D SCR.
<https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/wSrxp_Q_mSt7_CqPeIAkqe0Yn3TcqQY_CvGk3mxyQwkqZh9BnIyu6oM3eUpAHh7vRvZy7pPf86BOtMdnQICRiCXo7uqU_OOnlmhMB4DUI4mYz4mnxrErphlUD9aJdcp7fQ=s412>
Ok, I give up. No data sheet.
Jeff Liebermann
Jun 26, 2020, 9:45:23 PM6/26/20
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On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 18:36:10 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:
>Ok, I give up. No data sheet.
One more "FIR 3D" SCR, also in Indonesia:
<https://indo-ware.com/produk-2968-fir3d.html>
The page has fields for the specs, but no numbers are supplied. I get
the feeling that nobody knows the specs.
wrote:
>Ok, I give up. No data sheet.
<https://indo-ware.com/produk-2968-fir3d.html>
The page has fields for the specs, but no numbers are supplied. I get
the feeling that nobody knows the specs.
Chuck
Jun 27, 2020, 12:20:53 PM6/27/20
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>Hello. The Zinger is a six light alternating and flashing unit. It could run either on with varied speeds or connected to a speaker wire or radio output to pulse with the music. I am trying to fix this bedraggled old thing ... I know, glutton for punishment. Anyhow, the transistor (which is quite toasted) is a Toshiba FIR3D41. I can find no info online about this part or what the replacement might be. Based on what it is supposed to do, are there any suggestions for a replacement? It is 120v and the model number is 528. Thanks for any info !
NTE5455 should be suitable.
legg
Jun 28, 2020, 1:27:39 AM6/28/20
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>Hello. The Zinger is a six light alternating and flashing unit. It could run either on with varied speeds or connected to a speaker wire or radio output to pulse with the music. I am trying to fix this bedraggled old thing ... I know, glutton for punishment. Anyhow, the transistor (which is quite toasted) is a Toshiba FIR3D41. I can find no info online about this part or what the replacement might be. Based on what it is supposed to do, are there any suggestions for a replacement? It is 120v and the model number is 528. Thanks for any info !
Toshiba made an SF1R3D41 - Note '1' , not 'I'.
200V 2A SCR in TO202AB package ('R') - anode center pin
It has a normal (not sensitive) gate ~ 10mA.
"D" is the voltage. (B=100V, G=400V)
This from a xref published in Singapore in 1990 - the
only reference I could find, and I've got the Toshiba
catalog (where there's no mention of it).
Light 'chasers' were popular in the 70's, along with Disco . . .
You could use a Teccor S2006F1 through S6006F1 (200V -600V)
to replace it. Only the physical package is ~ uncommon.
Most TO220 types would function, if they could fit.
RL
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