Consumers seeking tv repair advice?
M/K Cardinale
You probably won't get it here, this group is for technicians.
If you want do-it-yourself advice, visit our web site
http://home.att.net/~u-can-fix
John R.Hepburn
. He has been gone for over a week now , so this means this post is the
trial run of a new angle. I am quite sure what he is shooting for is to
capitalize somehow on the secondary dialogue he hopes will stem from such
a bold statement. To all those who have not had the pleasure of encountering
this person, the products that he sells requires your ignorance to have any
believable market value.
Are there people in here who know what they are talking about? I would hope
so. If not, then all the lay people with questions would be nothing more
than sheep in the night for the 'big bad wolf'.
Sorry Bud. Have spotlight, will travel.
John R. Hepburn
John's Electronic Services
jhep...@recorder.ca
Sam Goldwasser
Oh, give me a break :-).
Geez, afraid of losing your job?
Sorry.
Sure, someone who doesn't know which end of the soldering iron to pick up
should leave it to a professional but so suggest that only those with
certified technician training can touch the inside of a piece of electronic
equipment is total rubbish!
Let's see, have you ever changed the oil in your car? That should really
be done only by a qualified auto mechanic......
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In article <351cf...@nntp2.borg.com> "Anthony Falvo" <afa...@borg.com> writes:
M/K Cardinale wrote in message <6fdrkr$4...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
>You probably won't get it here, this group is for technicians.
>If you want do-it-yourself advice, visit our web site
>http://home.att.net/~u-can-fix
>
If you are not a technician then Do yourself a favor take it to someone who
is....we didn't go to school or have many years of OTJ experience for
nothing this equipment is very delicate electronic gear and sometimes even
dangerous to service if you dont know what you are doing I have seen many
units brought in by customers who tried to do it themselves
some damaged beyond repair....you cannot read a FAQ and think you are going
to change an IC in your CD player....it takes many years of experience and
SKILL....and the right equipment....Do your self a favor if you are not a
qualifed technican then leave it alone....
WHal
M/K,
Once, maybe twice in our lives, we've all tried to venture into areas we have
no business being in.
That's how we learned we didn't belong there.
Let the truth be known....If the consumer chooses to try to fix it on their
own, the local servicer has failed to establish credit and loyalty.
Bill
A/V technician
Tom MacIntyre
The consumer will often try to service things for financial reasons.
Some will do it to show off, because of ego. Some will do it because
of being under the influence of substances that cloud their judgement.
I will change my oil, gap and change spark plugs, but I won't do a
motor or tranny job. I'll band-aid my kid's cut finger, but no
tonsillectomies.Sometimes the consumer gives the shop a bigger
money-maker by doing what they shouldn't, and sometimes they destroy
the device. Why is the "No User-Serviceable Parts Inside" label there?
I've seen TV's with baling wire wrapped around the AC line fuse holder
- the only thing that saved that clever person was the fact that the
B+ fuse was gone too. How many times have I heard someone say
something like " My computer had an error, so I re-formatted the hard
drive and now........." ? You know the rest. Infinite shades of grey
here...........
Kevin WithoutPrejudiceUCC1-207
Repairs:major $65 if You wait $75 if You watch $85 if You help $95 if You
already tried and could'nt $125 cockroaches or water in unit $25 xtra Thats
what I say Kevin,
Anthony Falvo wrote in message <351cf...@nntp2.borg.com>...
IdCards
Sounds like a car I bought, fuses were all wrigleys spearmint wrappers.
Bought it for $40.00 (fourty) Went to guys yard replaced fuses as he
laughed. Started car, fuses blew. Replaced fuses fuses and fusible link on
alternator, Car runs. Guy now wants $200.00 more. Why i don't know I fixed
the damn thing (then sold it for $1280.00). Anyways, yes people will try to
fix it themselves. I once had a guy who compared his new sony to a 1980
model RCA. He stated in the RCA the head didn't spin all the time so the
Sony shouldn't. He then prmoptly tried to stop the head with a precision
screwdriver ("it was small it shouldn't have done that much damadge").
People shouldn't touch what they don't know, and if they know a little then
they should ask for help.
Tom MacIntyre <tmac...@highlander.cbnet.ns.ca> wrote in article
<6fjln1$p0m$1...@nr1.ottawa.istar.net>...
Joel Burgess
Here's my view on this... I'm a second-year university student
(computer science), with no proper training as an electronics tech.
(beyond grade 10 electronics). I have picked up a lot from my father,
who is very much into electronics. A bit about my father: 30 years
repair of typewriters and computers with IBM, built his own hifi
equipment many moons ago, fixed many TV's and radios over the years (and
has much literature on them) -- and much more (mostly picked up from his
father). I'm not up to his calibre of electronics knowledge (or even
close), but my philosophy on consumer electronics products is this: If
it's broken, and otherwise a writeoff (and of no safety hazard!), try
fixing it. If you fail, it's still a writeoff.
With this method, I've fixed numerous things which were GIVEN to me
dead. These include two NEC Multisync monitors, a Mitsubishi VCR (with
some credit given to the FAQ), and numerous computers (most of which I
sold for money). Other things I've fixed include a Stereo Decoder (for
TV), the power seat on my parents' Pontiac, a mixer/blender, a tapedeck,
a car stereo (actually a combined effort with my father), a turntable
(only a belt), computer mice (switches and wiring), a VCR remote, and a
portable stereo, just to name a few things (as there is more, which I
can't think of right now). This is not to say I haven't had failures.
I've had a few, certainly far less than the successes (due mostly to my
persistence).
As far as the computers go, all the broken computers given
to me were had all had attempted repairs by "qualified" people (one an
IBM tech, one a computer/typewriter tech from a local store, and one a
system builder at a large company). Every machine that these people gave
me (about 6 in total) I got running (only one using replacement parts).
Most were sold for money (except the 486DX4/120 I got going last weekend,
which I'll use in the summer as a second system). (I should point out
I've also built/upgraded numerous systems in my life, so
repairing/opening a computer isn't foreign to me -- more natural!).
Anyways, what I'm trying to say is, all these things were destinted
for one place (well, except the car seat) -> THE GARBAGE. Most of them
would not have been worth taking in for a repair. Therefore by fixing
them, the technicians aren't losing out. Really it's the manufacturers
that are losing out (by not making another sale). In the case of
me, I don't really have the money to replace/buy what I'm trying
to fix, so I wouldn't replace it anyways (so in that case, the
manufacturer isn't losing out either!). So either I get it working
again, and have a working product, or I gain a little knowledge trying to
fix it. It's a win-win situation for me. And there isn't anybody on the
losing end (since I wouldn't repair it/replace it otherwise).
BTW, why do I read this area if it's mainly for techs? Simply for the
interest I have in electronics repairs (from my own natural interest, my
father's background, and my 3 months work in a TV/VCR repair shop). Just
because I'm not "qualified" doesn't mean I'm not interested.
Joel
- jo...@uoguelph.ca
- http://www.uoguelph.ca/~joel
Tom MacIntyre (tmac...@highlander.cbnet.ns.ca) wrote:
: The consumer will often try to service things for financial reasons.
Joel Burgess
And before I get flamed, I should point out that I am not endorsing
that every average Joe out there should trying repairing their own
equipment. I worked three months last year at a TV/VCR (and some stereo,
camcorder etc.) repair shop (with some sales), doing deliveries & setup
(of used and new TV's from little 19" sets to 52" projection sets) etc.
and have much respect for the owners of the store. They have been in
business around 30 years, and also have much respect of the community (as
many customers come in referred by friends). Some people have shopped
there since they opened. I also realize that their repairs vs. my
repairs is the difference of 30 years experience vs. educated guessing.
Any product I had of any value in need of repair, I'd take straight to
them, as opposed to opening it myself. And anything of little value
(like my $25 stereo decoder) is a matter of, where's my screwdrivers,
meter, and soldering iron :).
Joel
Sam Goldwasser
I will also point out that this group is NOT exclusively for techs. The
non-techs were using it for a long time before professionals discovered the
virtues of SHARING information!
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John R.Hepburn
The "person" who said this was a "tech only" site only did so to try and
redirect people to his web page. There you will find things for sale , most
of which people from here would view as standard free items, or considering
their practical value, something less than free. Generally people who know
electronics would tell you not take his words as anything more than his
selfish desire to sell to the technically ignorant.
Clifton T. Sharp Jr.
Joel Burgess wrote:
> Here's my view on this... I'm a second-year university student
> (computer science), with no proper training as an electronics tech.
This newsgroup is not "for techs only". A lot of techs hang out here, but
a lot of "lay people" come here for advice and help. And the techs here
never fail to dispense good advice to those who sound like they can go
inside a monitor or computer without electrocuting themselves or blowing
something up.
If you remember that about the worst thing you can do here is to ask about
a unit without giving a model number or other identification, you'll get
along fine here.
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Tom MacIntyre
More grist for this mill. Sears (Emerson-type chassis) 14" TV. You
know it, the one that takes the kit, the 3 or 4 caps, the coil, the
Horizontal drive transformer, a 1 ohm resistor, sometimes the HOT
and/or the 2SD1092 regulator. This one had suspicious fresh solder at
strategic points all over the board. The final toll: 2 rectifier
diodes, a 6.2V zener, 2 jumpers for burned traces, the line fuse, the
"kit" (less the resistor, HOT, and regulator), and the micro. The
fresh solder was in all of the problem places; I'll give them THAT
much credit. This micro shorted so bad that Vcc was 0 volts. A
selective lightning strike? El Nino? No isolation transformer?
"Anthony Falvo" <afa...@borg.com> wrote:
>M/K Cardinale wrote in message <6fdrkr$4...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
>>You probably won't get it here, this group is for technicians.
>>If you want do-it-yourself advice, visit our web site
>>http://home.att.net/~u-can-fix
>>
>>
>If you are not a technician then Do yourself a favor take it to someone who