FTC Warns Companies ‘Warranty Void if Removed’ Stickers Are Flatly Illegal

[Ragnusen Ultred]

FTC Warns Companies ĄĽWarranty Void if RemovedĄŚ Stickers Are Flatly Illegal
https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/267288-ftc-warns-companies-warranty-void-if-removed-stickers-are-flatly-illegal
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The 1975 Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act made it illegal for companies to force
users to only repair hardware using specific components or via "authorized"
resellers. While companies are not required to offer warranties, if they do
offer a warranty, they aren't allowed to void it simply because the
customer has the device repaired elsewhere. Companies are allowed to
require you to ship the device to them for warranty service or to return it
to the store you purchased it from, but they can't void your warranty just
because you repaired an unrelated problem yourself.

The FTC didn't name which companies it contacted, but notes that the firms
in question sell "automobiles, cellular devices, and video gaming systems
in the United States." The FTC does give three examples of offending
warranty language, however, which let us hone in on some of the targets by
searching for the text strings directly:

"The use of [company name] parts is required to keep yourĄK manufacturer's
warranties and any extended warranties intact." = Hyundai.

"This warranty shall not apply if this productĄK is used with products not
sold or licensed by" = Nintendo.

"This warranty does not apply if this productĄK has had the warranty seal on
the [product] altered, defaced, or removed" = Sony.

DonĄŚt put up with any BS from Nintendo, Sony, or Microsoft (Microsoft has
used the same types of warnings on the Xbox One). Your warranty is not void
simply because you opened a box. TheyĄŚre not allowed to tell you
differently, and neither are firms like Apple (another likely recipient of
one of these letters).
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[peterw...@gmail.com]

Don't feed the troll.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 04:57:07 -0700, Ragnusen Ultred
<rrag...@ultred.com> wrote:

>FTC Warns Companies eWarranty Void if Removedf Stickers Are Flatly Illegal
>https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/267288-ftc-warns-companies-warranty-void-if-removed-stickers-are-flatly-illegal

>The 1975 Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act made it illegal for companies to force

(...)

I like my warranty better:
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/drivel/slides/diploma.html>

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[Ragnusen Ultred]

Am Wed, 11 Apr 2018 04:57:07 -0700, schrieb Ragnusen Ultred:

> The FTC didn't name which companies it contacted, but notes that the firms
> in question sell "automobiles, cellular devices, and video gaming systems
> in the United States."

Here's the FTC official notification of the warning to 6 manufacturers.
https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2018/04/ftc-staff-warns-companies-it-illegal-condition-warranty-coverage

[Fox's Mercantile]

On 4/11/18 2:07 PM, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
[ snip ]

Go peddle your Apple hating shit else where.


--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com

[Ragnusen Ultred]

Am Wed, 11 Apr 2018 17:36:26 -0500, schrieb Fox's Mercantile:

> Go peddle your Apple hating shit else where.

As always, your posts, Snit (aka Fox's Mercantile) are:
1. Never intended to ever be helpful, and,
2. Besides, you don't have the technical expertise to be helpful, and,
3. Hence, you simply guess - where you guessed wrong - yet again.

As always, Snit (aka Fox's Mercantile), you guessed wrong, again in that
this FTC warning went to six companies, where the press is debating which
six they are, but nobody knows, but where both Microsoft and Apple are
called out, as is Sony and Hyundai.

[Fox's Mercantile]

On 4/11/18 7:19 PM, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
> Am Wed, 11 Apr 2018 17:36:26 -0500, schrieb Fox's Mercantile:
>
>> Go peddle your Apple hating shit else where.
>
> As always, your posts, Snit (aka Fox's Mercantile) are:
> 1. Never intended to ever be helpful, and,

On the contrary, I'll calling you out for being the useless piece
of shit you are.

> As always, Snit (aka Fox's Mercantile), you guessed wrong,

And as always, you still seem to think I'm Snit.

Moron.

[Ragnusen Ultred]

Am Wed, 11 Apr 2018 20:24:39 -0500, schrieb Fox's Mercantile:

> On the contrary, I'll calling you out for being the useless piece
> of shit you are.

Each of your posts proves
1. *You don't actually have any technical expertise*, so,
2. All you can do is post unhelpful unrelated useless drivel.

Just watch.

Back on topic, this should be excellent news for home repair of vehicles
and electronic devices, particularly since the big companies that are
indicated in the news reports have a huge distribution.

Sony. Apple. Microsoft. Hyundai. etc.

One related question (not for you Snit - you aren't technically competent),
is what effect this FTC regulatory decision has on warranties OUTSIDE the
USA.

Anyone know what effect this ruling has on, say European customers of the
trans-national companies affected?

[Fox's Mercantile]

On 4/11/18 9:23 PM, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
> Apple.

Yup. Called it. It's another one of your anti-Apple rants.

Come tomorrow, I'll still be not Snit, and you'll still be
a useless troll.

And I've never felt the need to hide behind constantly changing
names.

Twelve years ago, I was an expert witness testifying against
Motorola in Federal court.
Their plan was to claim that any third party repairs were
counterfeiting.
Fortunately for everyone involved, with the exception of Motorola
and their lawyers, that fell through due to my testimony.

<https://www.manatt.com/>
Harold Pick, Et. Al. vs Motorola
Despite having 375 lawyers, Motorola couldn't make their case.
They lost.

[jurb...@gmail.com]

>"Twelve years ago, I was an expert witness testifying against
Motorola in Federal court. "

On what ?

And that link is useless.

[Ragnusen Ultred]

Am Wed, 11 Apr 2018 21:55:43 -0500, schrieb Fox's Mercantile:

> Twelve years ago, I was an expert witness testifying against
> Motorola in Federal court.

hehhehheh ... no way... you can *claim* you're a genius, but you're too
stupid Snit to not show your true colors in every post.

*Everything you write _proves_ to all you're a moron, Snit.*

You don't have any technical expertise, which is why all you can do is
troll, Snit.

You even proved it in this thread.

[Fox's Mercantile]

On 4/12/18 6:56 AM, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
> hehhehheh ... no way...

Yeah, I know, sucks to be you huh?
Sitting alone in a room surrounded by sticky Kleenex tissues
as you bleat endlessly about shit you don't understand.

[Ragnusen Ultred]

Am Thu, 12 Apr 2018 10:16:50 -0500, schrieb Fox's Mercantile:

> Yeah, I know, sucks to be you huh?
> Sitting alone in a room surrounded by sticky Kleenex tissues
> as you bleat endlessly about shit you don't understand.

You can't even respond to the facts like an adult, Snit.

Notice how you revert instantly to your fifth grade vocabulary when
confronted with facts.

*You, Snit, prove in every post that you have the mind of a child.*

Just watch.

[Terry Schwartz]

Methinks he doth protest too much.....

>
> Just watch.

[Fox's Mercantile]

On 4/12/18 10:33 AM, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
> You can't even respond to the facts like an adult, Snit.

You seem incapable of understanding that I'm not Snit.

[peterw...@gmail.com]

> You seem incapable of understanding that I'm not Snit.

Nor does it matter. The troll remains replete on the discussion.

[John-Del]

I've heard of Jeff - never heard of you. From what I've read so far, you will never know a tenth of what Jeff does (and I suspect I'm being generous). Further, he's not "snit"..

[Terry Schwartz]

I posit that the accuser is in fact, himself Snit, in one of his other many demented personas. Therefor, the discussion is moot -- Snit can go back to playing with himself, as he is clearly prone to do, Kleenex or not. You only feed his ego by responding and/or denying his claims. If that stops, so will Snit, as he will find no further satisfaction, except at his own hand. Perhaps the video game joystick in his mama's basement will serve as a adequate substitute now that his actual member has failed him from too much abuse.

Ahhhh usenet. If only there was an IQ requirement.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Thu, 12 Apr 2018 09:31:50 -0700 (PDT), John-Del <ohg...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>I've heard of Jeff - never heard of you. From what I've read
>so far, you will never know a tenth of what Jeff does (and
>I suspect I'm being generous). Further, he's not "snit"..

Cool. My favorite subject... me. I'm honored.
Oh wait. Which Jeff?

[John-Del]

On Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 1:53:37 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Apr 2018 09:31:50 -0700 (PDT), John-Del <ohg...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I've heard of Jeff - never heard of you. From what I've read
> >so far, you will never know a tenth of what Jeff does (and
> >I suspect I'm being generous). Further, he's not "snit"..
>
> Cool. My favorite subject... me. I'm honored.
> Oh wait. Which Jeff?
>
>

The good looking one of course!!!!

[jurb...@gmail.com]

<"I've heard of Jeff - never heard of you. From what I've read so far, you will never know a tenth of what Jeff does (and I suspect I'm being generous). Further, he's not "snit".. "

If so, he hides it well. And the fact remains that even if he is a genius he has the mentality of a child. Not that we've seen evidence of any genus.

And heard of ? I heard of plenty of people. Like the guy who set his motor home to cruise control and then sued because he thought it would drive itself and went in the back leaving the driver's seat empty. He was genius enough to impel manufacturers to put a warning in the motor homes to the effect that you have to drive them.

It is surprising that the guy could afford a motor home being that fucking stupid but he could.

Heard of. Yeah.

[Fox's Mercantile]

On 4/14/18 3:18 AM, jurb...@gmail.com wrote:
[ yap yap yap ]

Somebody let him outside before he pisses on the carpet. Again.